Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Sourav, Sun as 7th lord in 9th in neecha indicates that a person would like to follow the rules and tradition in intimate matters, relationships, etc. It also indicates that some decisions about the marriage or relationship will be taken in a very hard circumstances. A spouse may feel week unhappy about its status or career issues. A person may not have a sense of touch in relationship, and normally the spouse will be from a different place if Shani is in Apoklima houses and Shukra conjoins Surya. If there is a neecha bhanga and Shukra is well placed, be sure that the marriage will be a happy one. Shukra in 10th house will make them fulfill their spouse wishes, while the spouse themselves may suffer in career or health issue. Best wishes Zoran sohamsa [sohamsa ]On Behalf Of Sourav11. kolovoz 2007 5:54sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Mike, Namaskar. I quite agree with Rafal-ji here. Neecha position of Surya is not great in this case.1. Surya is inimical to Shukra and being owner of 7th house (of which Shukra is kaaraka) it will be difficult for Surya to maintain a smooth relationship. A fiery sign in the 7th causes ego clashes invariably. 2. Surya is dharma-kaaraka and its debility indicates some fall in proper dharma. Being in the 9th house is a relief to some extent. If there is neecha bhanga in navaamsa ( which supports dharma ) then the situation is better.3. Lord of the 7th indicates wife. The debility can mean sickly wife and wife who can hinder dharma.4. Please also notice that lagna is Aquarius which means 9th house rasi is baadhaka. Surya in neecha in badhakasthana is certainly not good.Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu,Best wishes,Sourav====================================================================================================sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hraum namah adityaya*> > Dear Michael,> > Please give exact page.> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > Michael Travass napisa³(a):> >> > Dear Rafael,> > > > Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha > > position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. > > Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a > > venusian sign.> > Regards,> > Mike> >> > > > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> > *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28> > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> >> > *hraum namah adityaya*> >> > Dear Mike,> >> > Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who> > follow Nivrrti Marg already.> >> > Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt> > want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> >> >> > Michael Travass napisa³(a):> >> >> > >>> >> Dear Rafael,> >> > >> Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus> >> and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad.> >> Regards,> >> Mike> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisał(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass] 10 August 2007 22:58'sohamsa 'RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, Please give exact page. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Ego clashes in marriage related issues. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa ' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2007 Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Mike, Namaskar. I quite agree with Rafal-ji here. Neecha position of Surya is not great in this case.1. Surya is inimical to Shukra and being owner of 7th house (of which Shukra is kaaraka) it will be difficult for Surya to maintain a smooth relationship. A fiery sign in the 7th causes ego clashes invariably. 2. Surya is dharma-kaaraka and its debility indicates some fall in proper dharma. Being in the 9th house is a relief to some extent. If there is neecha bhanga in navaamsa ( which supports dharma ) then the situation is better.3. Lord of the 7th indicates wife. The debility can mean sickly wife and wife who can hinder dharma.4. Please also notice that lagna is Aquarius which means 9th house rasi is baadhaka. Surya in neecha in badhakasthana is certainly not good.Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu,Best wishes,Sourav====================================================================================================sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hraum namah adityaya*> > Dear Michael,> > Please give exact page.> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > Michael Travass napisa³(a):> >> > Dear Rafael,> > > > Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha > > position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. > > Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a > > venusian sign.> > Regards,> > Mike> >> > > > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ]> > *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> > *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28> > *To:* sohamsa > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> >> > *hraum namah adityaya*> >> > Dear Mike,> >> > Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who> > follow Nivrrti Marg already.> >> > Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt> > want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> >> >> > Michael Travass napisa³(a):> >> >> > >>> >> Dear Rafael,> >> > >> Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus> >> and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad.> >> Regards,> >> Mike> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Rafael, Please look at page 373 in COVA " Planets in 9th house". There is a rider of Mars or Venus to be strong in a quadrant. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz11 August 2007 02:18sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Michael,Please give exact page.Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, you didnt add this about Mangal and Shukra which completely change that statement. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please look at page 373 in COVA " Planets in 9th house". There is a rider of Mars or Venus to be strong in a quadrant. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 11 August 2007 02:18 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, Please give exact page. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa ' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Still this yoga guarantees stable relationships. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Sarajit Poddar napisa³(a): || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike -----Original Message----- Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa ' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Rafal, I can understand Mars but why Venus when it is a trouble maker for Sun. Have you asked Sanjay. Sanjay's teachings are based on 9th house being the most important house in the horoscope and with Sun in the 9th house it is very good. The question to be asked is sun good in a venusian sign specifically when it is debilitated. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz11 August 2007 10:30sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, you didnt add this about Mangal and Shukra which completely change that statement. Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please look at page 373 in COVA " Planets in 9th house". There is a rider of Mars or Venus to be strong in a quadrant. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz11 August 2007 02:18sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Michael,Please give exact page.Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Hi Sarajit, I understand what you are saying. But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I think Sanjay knows about it. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar11 August 2007 14:26sohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael TravassSaturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58'sohamsa 'RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear Rafal, We are talking about debiltated Surya in 9th and Surya is the lord of 7th house. There is a neechabanga yoya and the question is can surya give good results in debilitaton. Reagrds., Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz11 August 2007 14:38sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Still this yoga guarantees stable relationships.Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plSarajit Poddar napisa³(a): || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael TravassSaturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58'sohamsa 'RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Mike, If you are referring to the statement – The Sun or Jupiter as the natural Karakas of the ninth house do not suffer from Karaka bhava nasa i.e. they do not damage the significations of the ninth house and instead enhance them. Even if the Sun is in Libra in the ninth house; if either of Venus or Mars is strong in a quadrant, good fortune results. This says that Sun in the 9th house is never bad; even if in debilitation, provided the debilitation is cancelled (due to strength of Venus or Mars, the lord of signs of debilitation or exaltation, in quadrant from Moon or Lagna). Regards Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:28 AM sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna Hi Sarajit, I understand what you are saying. But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I think Sanjay knows about it. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar 11 August 2007 14:26 sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa ' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Sani also...as they are neechabhanga grahas. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafal, I can understand Mars but why Venus when it is a trouble maker for Sun. Have you asked Sanjay. Sanjay's teachings are based on 9th house being the most important house in the horoscope and with Sun in the 9th house it is very good. The question to be asked is sun good in a venusian sign specifically when it is debilitated. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 11 August 2007 10:30 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, you didnt add this about Mangal and Shukra which completely change that statement. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please look at page 373 in COVA " Planets in 9th house". There is a rider of Mars or Venus to be strong in a quadrant. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 11 August 2007 02:18 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, Please give exact page. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, If there is neechabhanga then surely it can, but debilitated graha in badhaksthan is very bad. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafal, We are talking about debiltated Surya in 9th and Surya is the lord of 7th house. There is a neechabanga yoya and the question is can surya give good results in debilitaton. Reagrds., Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 11 August 2007 14:38 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Still this yoga guarantees stable relationships. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Sarajit Poddar napisa³(a): || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike -----Original Message----- Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa ' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Mike, Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, boga comes. Best Wishes Karu - Michael Travass sohamsa Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM RE: Upada Lagna Hi Sarajit, I understand what you are saying. But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I think Sanjay knows about it. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar11 August 2007 14:26sohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael TravassSaturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58'sohamsa 'RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release 8/11/2007 2:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Karu, One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Karu napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krishna Dear Mike, Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, boga comes. Best Wishes Karu ----- Original Message ----- Michael Travass To: sohamsa Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: RE: Upada Lagna Hi Sarajit, I understand what you are saying. But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I think Sanjay knows about it. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar 11 August 2007 14:26 sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM sohamsa RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike -----Original Message----- Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa ' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: 8/11/2007 2:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Rafal, Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be very happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus. Best Wishes Karu - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Karu,One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafalJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plKaru napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krishna Dear Mike, Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, boga comes. Best Wishes Karu - Michael Travass sohamsa Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM RE: Upada Lagna Hi Sarajit, I understand what you are saying. But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I think Sanjay knows about it. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar11 August 2007 14:26sohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michael TravassSaturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AMsohamsa Subject: RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com] 10 August 2007 22:58'sohamsa 'RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz10 August 2007 21:28sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityayaDear Mike,Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plMichael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release 8/11/2007 2:29 PM Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release 8/11/2007 2:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Karu, Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats it, if we want to see if there is other help then we have left options 2) Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Karu napisa³(a): HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Rafal, Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be very happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus. Best Wishes Karu - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa@ .com Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Karu, One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl Karu napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krishna Dear Mike, Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, boga comes. Best Wishes Karu - Michael Travass sohamsa@ .com Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM RE: Upada Lagna Hi Sarajit, I understand what you are saying. But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I think Sanjay knows about it. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ ..com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar 11 August 2007 14:26 sohamsa@ .com RE: Upada Lagna || Jaya Jagannath || Hi Mike, How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into relationship (Shukra). Best Wishes Sarajit sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Michael Travass Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM sohamsa@ .com RE: Upada Lagna Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled by Surya. Is my interpretation correct. Mike Michael Travass [michael. travass@btintern et.com] 10 August 2007 22:58 'sohamsa@ s.com' RE: Upada Lagna Dear Rafael, Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian sign. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 10 August 2007 21:28 sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Mike, Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl Michael Travass napisa³(a): Dear Rafael, Please could you explain what is the relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. Regards, Mike Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: 8/11/2007 2:29 PM Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: 8/11/2007 2:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 || Hare Raama Krsna ||Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji, namaskar. Allow me to add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual chart. However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly cause the cancellation. First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense dissatisfaction with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work in. It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is disposited and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various parts of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can spread to other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then there is support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from multiple fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean all will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, their strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can be had from each of them and when (per dasas).Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels, grahas in the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If Shukra is strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this case compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka of the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which Surya is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a trine/Lakshmi sthana.Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas of the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are intervening in this matter to save the situation. Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less are effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the grahas becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/unfoldment, the ill aspects of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control) becomes less manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is also lessened.Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu,Best wishes,Sourav===========================================================================================sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hraum namah adityaya*> > Dear Karu,> > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats it, > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left options 2) > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa.> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > Karu napisa³(a):> >> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > Dear Rafal,> > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be very > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus.> > Best Wishes> > Karu> >> > -> > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> >> > *hraum namah adityaya*> >> > Dear Karu,> >> > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%.> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> >> > Karu napisa³(a):> >> Hare Rama Krishna> >> Dear Mike,> >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of> >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if> >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda,> >> boga comes.> >> Best Wishes> >> Karu> >>> >> -> >> ** Michael Travass <michael.travass >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> Hi Sarajit,> >>> >> I understand what you are saying.> >>> >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results> >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi> >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I> >> think Sanjay knows about it.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com> >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@> >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar> >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26> >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> || Jaya Jagannath ||> >>> >> Hi Mike,> >>> >> How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A> >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into> >> relationship (Shukra).> >>> >> Best Wishes> >>> >> Sarajit> >>> >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@> >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass> >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM> >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example> >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled> >> by Surya.> >>> >> Is my interpretation correct.> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> ** Michael Travass [michael.> >> travass@btintern et.com]> >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58> >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com'> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> Dear Rafael,> >>> >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad> >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house,> >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good> >> results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian> >> sign.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@> >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28> >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> >>> >> *hraum namah adityaya*> >>> >> Dear Mike,> >>> >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha,> >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already.> >>> >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is> >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it> >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).> >>> >>> >> Regards,> >> Rafal Gendarz> >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com> >> <http://www.rohinaa.com>> >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> >> <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> >>> >>> >> Michael Travass napisa³(a):> >>> >> Dear Rafael,> >>> >> Please could you explain what is the> >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is> >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release> >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM> >>> > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date:> > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Respected Gurus, My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sun is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in 10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are 4th November 1971 time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00 Long 82E12'00 Thanking you Aruna Srimantula sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji, > namaskar. Allow me to > add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already > discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual chart. > However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be > compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly cause > the cancellation. > > First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense dissatisfaction > with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work in. > It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is disposited > and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various parts > of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can spread to > other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then there is > support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the > family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native > himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from multiple > fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean all > will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, their > strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can be > had from each of them and when (per dasas). > > Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels, grahas in > the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If Shukra is > strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this case > compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka of > the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which Surya > is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a > trine/Lakshmi sthana. > > Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas of > the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are intervening > in this matter to save the situation. > > Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less are > effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the grahas > becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/unfoldment, the ill aspects > of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control) becomes less > manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is also > lessened. > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu, > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > ========================================================================\ > =================== > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats > it, > > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left options 2) > > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a > > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be > very > > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus. > > > Best Wishes > > > Karu > > > > > > - > > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > > > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > > >> Hare Rama Krishna > > >> Dear Mike, > > >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of > > >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, > if > > >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, > > >> boga comes. > > >> Best Wishes > > >> Karu > > >> > > >> - > > >> ** Michael Travass <michael.travass@ > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > <sohamsa > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> Hi Sarajit, > > >> > > >> I understand what you are saying. > > >> > > >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results > > >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi > > >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? > I > > >> think Sanjay knows about it. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > > >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@ > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar > > >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26 > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> || Jaya Jagannath || > > >> > > >> Hi Mike, > > >> > > >> How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A > > >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into > > >> relationship (Shukra). > > >> > > >> Best Wishes > > >> > > >> Sarajit > > >> > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass > > >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example > > >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be > controlled > > >> by Surya. > > >> > > >> Is my interpretation correct. > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> ** Michael Travass [michael. > > >> travass@btintern et.com] > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58 > > >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com' > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> Dear Rafael, > > >> > > >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not > bad > > >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, > > >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good > > >> results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian > > >> sign. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > [sohamsa@ > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28 > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > > >> > > >> Dear Mike, > > >> > > >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, > > >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg > already. > > >> > > >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is > > >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as > it > > >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > >> > > >> > > >> Michael Travass napisa³(a): > > >> > > >> Dear Rafael, > > >> > > >> Please could you explain what is the > > >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun > is > > >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it > bad. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release > > >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > >> > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: > > > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Respective Sourav Ji That was a very nice explanation, somewhat akin to the lines on which Sanjay Ji explained in one of the lectures. Very nicely dealt with Regards Tarun sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji, > namaskar. Allow me to > add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already > discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual chart. > However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be > compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly cause > the cancellation. > > First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense dissatisfaction > with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work in. > It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is disposited > and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various parts > of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can spread to > other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then there is > support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the > family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native > himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from multiple > fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean all > will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, their > strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can be > had from each of them and when (per dasas). > > Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels, grahas in > the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If Shukra is > strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this case > compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka of > the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which Surya > is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a > trine/Lakshmi sthana. > > Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas of > the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are intervening > in this matter to save the situation. > > Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less are > effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the grahas > becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/unfoldment, the ill aspects > of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control) becomes less > manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is also > lessened. > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu, > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > ========================================================================\ > =================== > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats > it, > > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left options 2) > > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a > > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be > very > > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus. > > > Best Wishes > > > Karu > > > > > > - > > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > > > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > > >> Hare Rama Krishna > > >> Dear Mike, > > >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of > > >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, > if > > >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, > > >> boga comes. > > >> Best Wishes > > >> Karu > > >> > > >> - > > >> ** Michael Travass <michael.travass@ > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > <sohamsa > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> Hi Sarajit, > > >> > > >> I understand what you are saying. > > >> > > >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results > > >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi > > >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? > I > > >> think Sanjay knows about it. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > > >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@ > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar > > >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26 > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> || Jaya Jagannath || > > >> > > >> Hi Mike, > > >> > > >> How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A > > >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into > > >> relationship (Shukra). > > >> > > >> Best Wishes > > >> > > >> Sarajit > > >> > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass > > >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example > > >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be > controlled > > >> by Surya. > > >> > > >> Is my interpretation correct. > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> ** Michael Travass [michael. > > >> travass@btintern et.com] > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58 > > >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com' > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> Dear Rafael, > > >> > > >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not > bad > > >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, > > >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good > > >> results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian > > >> sign. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > [sohamsa@ > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28 > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > >> > > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > > >> > > >> Dear Mike, > > >> > > >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, > > >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg > already. > > >> > > >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is > > >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as > it > > >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > >> > > >> > > >> Michael Travass napisa³(a): > > >> > > >> Dear Rafael, > > >> > > >> Please could you explain what is the > > >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun > is > > >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it > bad. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release > > >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > >> > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: > > > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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