Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Sourav and Rafal, Accepted and agreed, about "cancellation of debility of Sun". I was looking it in different angle as "depositor of Sun ". Perhaps, same story at the end. Thanks Karu - Sourav sohamsa Monday, August 13, 2007 8:52 AM Re: Upada Lagna || Hare Raama Krsna ||Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji, namaskar. Allow me to add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual chart. However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly cause the cancellation. First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense dissatisfaction with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work in. It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is disposited and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various parts of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can spread to other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then there is support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from multiple fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean all will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, their strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can be had from each of them and when (per dasas).Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels, grahas in the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If Shukra is strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this case compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka of the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which Surya is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a trine/Lakshmi sthana.Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas of the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are intervening in this matter to save the situation. Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less are effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the grahas becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/unfoldment, the ill aspects of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control) becomes less manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is also lessened.Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu,Best wishes,Sourav===========================================================================================sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hraum namah adityaya*> > Dear Karu,> > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats it, > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left options 2) > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa.> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > Karu napisa³(a):> >> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > Dear Rafal,> > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be very > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus.> > Best Wishes> > Karu> >> > -> > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> >> > *hraum namah adityaya*> >> > Dear Karu,> >> > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%.> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> >> > Karu napisa³(a):> >> Hare Rama Krishna> >> Dear Mike,> >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of> >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if> >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda,> >> boga comes.> >> Best Wishes> >> Karu> >>> >> -> >> ** Michael Travass <michael.travass >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> Hi Sarajit,> >>> >> I understand what you are saying.> >>> >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results> >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi> >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I> >> think Sanjay knows about it.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com> >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@> >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar> >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26> >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> || Jaya Jagannath ||> >>> >> Hi Mike,> >>> >> How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A> >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into> >> relationship (Shukra).> >>> >> Best Wishes> >>> >> Sarajit> >>> >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@> >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass> >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM> >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example> >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled> >> by Surya.> >>> >> Is my interpretation correct.> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> ** Michael Travass [michael.> >> travass@btintern et.com]> >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58> >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com'> >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> >>> >> Dear Rafael,> >>> >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad> >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house,> >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good> >> results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian> >> sign.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@> >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz> >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28> >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> >>> >> *hraum namah adityaya*> >>> >> Dear Mike,> >>> >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha,> >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already.> >>> >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is> >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it> >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).> >>> >>> >> Regards,> >> Rafal Gendarz> >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com> >> <http://www.rohinaa.com>> >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> >> <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> >>> >>> >> Michael Travass napisa³(a):> >>> >> Dear Rafael,> >>> >> Please could you explain what is the> >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is> >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad.> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Mike> >>> >> > >> > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release> >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM> >>> > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date:> > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM> >> >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release 8/12/2007 11:03 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Madam, namaskar. A few comments. Your husband's chart is very good example. The 7th house is empty and 7th lord Surya is in debility with debility cancellation from Shukra, Mangal and Sani from kendras to Langa and digvali Chandra. To top it , Surya is disposited very favourably by Guru in Navamsa and this Guru is with Shukra in Rasi Chart. The three benefics in the 10th house provides dhanaargala to the 9th and sukaargala to the 7 th house. Chandra is exalted in the 7th from Shukra joining nakshatra dispositor of Shukra. Shukra is in Simha navaamsa which is again 7th house of rasi chart, thus pouring its effects there again. All of these bode well as far as relationships are concerned. However, there are certain aspects which should be noted. Marriage (and not relationships in general) should be noted from UL. If your marriage with your husband is his first major committed relationship in life, then we should see the first UL for this marriage. UL is ill-placed from Lagna indicating some suffering or exercise of tolerance/compromise in marriage necessary. Its lord joins two benefics both of which are marakas to UL but benign. Surya is debilitated in the 2nd from UL indicating Surya dasa/antar will be painful and hence lord of it (i.e. 2nd from UL, here Shukra indicating Lakshmi) should be worshipped. Also, fast on Wednesdays will greatly enhance the strength of marriage. However, AL and Ul are in 5-9 relationship and their lords are conjoining and this indicates felicity. Marriage is not just any friendship. It is essentially compromise for cohabitation. It is an important part of dharma and how can be there any performance of dharma w/o sacrifice ?. When one fails to sacrifice, then the problem starts. There may be some temporary periods in which you may have to stay away from your husband (7th lord in navamsa is in the 6th with two malefics).As far as relationship with father is concerned, we should note A9 and D-12 carefully. In D-12, Surya-AK and Chandra-PiK are in 4-10 relationship and lagnesha and 9th lord are in 4-10 relationship which bodes well as far as mental suitability is asked for. However, Lagnesha in the 9th indicates some health issues for his father.Coming back to the point in Rasi chart, 7th lords debility indicates you to be a humble person who has contributed a lot to your happiness in marriage.What Tarun has pointed out is important. There is indeed a strong curse with exalted Chandra joined retrograde Sani and aspected by Rahu and Mangal. Because this involves lagna lord & is aspected mutually by AK Surya, this curse is felt by the native and it affects him. Dispositor of Sani Chandra is Shukra with 8th lord. Hence 8th house (nija dosha) is getting involved as well. Problem faced could be health or expenses or even from brothers or career front.Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. Best wishes,Sourav======================================================================================sohamsa , "tarungarg" <tarungarg wrote:>> Respected Aruna Ji> > Since you posted the details and I had a look, it is my duty to point> out a severe curse of mother in the 4th house for your husband and he> is already running the moola dasa of Sa since 2004 who is retrograde> and the Moon is exhalted. There is Rahu and Ma also aspecting the moon. > > Ma is the 3rd and 10th lord and Sa is the 12th lord Ra is in the 12th> house. That could indicate that you are going abroad soon if you are> already not there. Involvement of the lagna lord is usually not very> nice so I would suggest that the mantra for rishi Bhrigu be started as> soon as possible.> > Staying close to the mother and helping her out is another static remedy.> > I guess you would have already known that by now> > Regards> > Tarun> > > sohamsa , "a_srimantula" a_srimantula@ wrote:> >> > Respected Gurus,> > > > My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has> > excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sun> > is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in> > 10th house with jupiter and mercury. > > > > Details are> > 4th November 1971> > time 2:48 pm > > place of birth :Amalapuram, India > > Lat 16N35'00> > Long 82E12'00> > > > > > Thanking you> > Aruna Srimantula > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote:> > >> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > > > Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji,> > > namaskar. Allow> me to> > > add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already> > > discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual> chart.> > > However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be> > > compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly> cause> > > the cancellation.> > > > > > First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense> dissatisfaction> > > with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work in.> > > It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is> disposited> > > and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various> parts> > > of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can> spread to> > > other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then> there is> > > support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the> > > family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native> > > himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from multiple> > > fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean all> > > will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, their> > > strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can be> > > had from each of them and when (per dasas).> > > > > > Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels,> grahas in> > > the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If> Shukra is> > > strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this case> > > compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka of> > > the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which Surya> > > is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a> > > trine/Lakshmi sthana.> > > > > > Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas of> > > the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are intervening> > > in this matter to save the situation.> > > > > > Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less are> > > effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the grahas> > > becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/unfoldment, the ill> aspects> > > of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control)> becomes less> > > manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is also> > > lessened.> > > > > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu,> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Sourav> > >> >> ========================================================================\> > > ===================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > >> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > >> > > > Dear Karu,> > > >> > > > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats> > > it,> > > > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left> options 2)> > > > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa.> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > email: rafal@> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > >> > > > Karu napisa³(a):> > > > >> > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a> > > > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be> > > very> > > > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus.> > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > Karu> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM> > > > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> > > > >> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > > >> > > > > Dear Karu,> > > > >> > > > > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> > > > >> > > > > Karu napisa³(a):> > > > >> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > >> Dear Mike,> > > > >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of> > > > >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so,> > > if> > > > >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the> Aruda,> > > > >> boga comes.> > > > >> Best Wishes> > > > >> Karu> > > > >>> > > > >> -> > > > >> ** Michael Travass <michael.travass@> > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > > <sohamsa > > > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM> > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> > > > >>> > > > >> Hi Sarajit,> > > > >>> > > > >> I understand what you are saying.> > > > >>> > > > >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results> > > > >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi> > > > >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the> rider?> > > I> > > > >> think Sanjay knows about it.> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards,> > > > >>> > > > >> Mike> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com> > > > >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@> > > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar> > > > >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26> > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> > > > >>> > > > >> || Jaya Jagannath ||> > > > >>> > > > >> Hi Mike,> > > > >>> > > > >> How is it, if you look it in a different> perspective. A> > > > >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls> into> > > > >> relationship (Shukra).> > > > >>> > > > >> Best Wishes> > > > >>> > > > >> Sarajit> > > > >>> > > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@> > > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass> > > > >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM> > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> > > > >>> > > > >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For> example> > > > >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be> > > controlled> > > > >> by Surya.> > > > >>> > > > >> Is my interpretation correct.> > > > >>> > > > >> Mike> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> ** Michael Travass [michael.> > > > >> travass@btintern et.com]> > > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58> > > > >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com'> > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna> > > > >>> > > > >> Dear Rafael,> > > > >>> > > > >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not> > > bad> > > > >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th> house,> > > > >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good> > > > >> results when in 9th house which is libra a> venusian> > > > >> sign.> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards,> > > > >>> > > > >> Mike> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com> > > [sohamsa@> > > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal> Gendarz> > > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28> > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > > > >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna> > > > >>> > > > >> *hraum namah adityaya*> > > > >>> > > > >> Dear Mike,> > > > >>> > > > >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha,> > > > >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg> > > already.> > > > >>> > > > >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is> > > > >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as> > > it> > > > >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya).> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards,> > > > >> Rafal Gendarz> > > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@> > > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com> > > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > > >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> Michael Travass napisa³(a):> > > > >>> > > > >> Dear Rafael,> > > > >>> > > > >> Please could you explain what is the> > > > >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun> > > is> > > > >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus),> is it> > > bad.> > > > >>> > > > >> Regards,> > > > >>> > > > >> Mike> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 -> Release> > > > >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release> Date:> > > > > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Sourav, Yes, therefore maximum percent is 75%, and full neechabhanga occurs only with God help (Navamsa). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Sourav napisał(a): || Hare Raama Krsna || Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji, namaskar. Allow me to add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual chart. However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly cause the cancellation. First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense dissatisfaction with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work in. It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is disposited and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various parts of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can spread to other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then there is support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from multiple fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean all will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, their strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can be had from each of them and when (per dasas). Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels, grahas in the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If Shukra is strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this case compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka of the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which Surya is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a trine/Lakshmi sthana. Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas of the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are intervening in this matter to save the situation. Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less are effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the grahas becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/ unfoldment, the ill aspects of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control) becomes less manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is also lessened. Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu, Best wishes, Sourav ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======= sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Karu, > > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but thats it, > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left options 2) > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > Karu napisa³(a): > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in a > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will be very > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught Venus. > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > > > - > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ... > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ . com > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ... > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com> > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > <http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > >> Hare Rama Krishna > >> Dear Mike, > >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help of > >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more so, if > >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the Aruda, > >> boga comes. > >> Best Wishes > >> Karu > >> > >> - > >> ** Michael Travass <michael. travass@. .. > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ . com > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > >> > >> Hi Sarajit, > >> > >> I understand what you are saying. > >> > >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good results > >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the rasi > >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the rider? I > >> think Sanjay knows about it. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@ > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar > >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26 > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > >> > >> || Jaya Jagannath || > >> > >> Hi Mike, > >> > >> How is it, if you look it in a different perspective. A > >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls into > >> relationship (Shukra). > >> > >> Best Wishes > >> > >> Sarajit > >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass > >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > >> > >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For example > >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be controlled > >> by Surya. > >> > >> Is my interpretation correct. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> ** Michael Travass [michael. > >> travass@btintern et.com] > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58 > >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com' > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > >> > >> Dear Rafael, > >> > >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is not bad > >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th house, > >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give good > >> results when in 9th house which is libra a venusian > >> sign. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal Gendarz > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28 > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > >> > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > >> > >> Dear Mike, > >> > >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha lokha, > >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg already. > >> > >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is > >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth (7H) as it > >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ... > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > >> <http://www.rohinaa. com> > >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > >> <http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > >> > >> > >> Michael Travass napisa³(a): > >> > >> Dear Rafael, > >> > >> Please could you explain what is the > >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If Sun is > >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus), is it bad. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release > >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > >> > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: > > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Respected Souravji and Tarunji, Thanks for your responses. Souravji , all most all of your comments are right. I am a very down to earth person as sun is in debility in my husbands chart and I have sun in 12th house in my natal chart(Capricorn rising).The only major problem we faced was about his health.He was diagnoised with diabetes when he was 28.(7 1/2 saturn period).when we came to know it was very high, the readings became normal in couple of months,he is maintaning good health with insulin.With my little knowledge in astrology I feel this is how the curse on moon manifested(6th lord).Although now every thing is normal it is a condition where he is doing a lots of sacrifies with food.Job wise it has been always a very smooth run for him(both position and income).Financially we were always in good condition.[Probably has to do with three natural benefics in 10th house] Your prediciton about my Father in law is also correct.He is Diabetic since he is 40 and now he is 66. Your Prediction about me staying away from my husband for short gaps is also correct, We stay in USA and I visit India once in 2 years for 4 months(We are planing to move back with in 2 or 3 years, So I mostly look after our Indian affairs). Thanking You all Aruna Srimantula sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Madam, > namaskar. A few comments. Your husband's > chart is very good example. The 7th house is empty and 7th lord Surya is > in debility with debility cancellation from Shukra, Mangal and Sani from > kendras to Langa and digvali Chandra. To top it , Surya is disposited > very favourably by Guru in Navamsa and this Guru is with Shukra in Rasi > Chart. The three benefics in the 10th house provides dhanaargala to the > 9th and sukaargala to the 7 th house. Chandra is exalted in the 7th from > Shukra joining nakshatra dispositor of Shukra. Shukra is in Simha > navaamsa which is again 7th house of rasi chart, thus pouring its > effects there again. All of these bode well as far as relationships are > concerned. However, there are certain aspects which should be noted. > Marriage (and not relationships in general) should be noted from UL. If > your marriage with your husband is his first major committed > relationship in life, then we should see the first UL for this marriage. > UL is ill-placed from Lagna indicating some suffering or exercise of > tolerance/compromise in marriage necessary. Its lord joins two benefics > both of which are marakas to UL but benign. Surya is debilitated in the > 2nd from UL indicating Surya dasa/antar will be painful and hence lord > of it (i.e. 2nd from UL, here Shukra indicating Lakshmi) should be > worshipped. Also, fast on Wednesdays will greatly enhance the strength > of marriage. However, AL and Ul are in 5-9 relationship and their lords > are conjoining and this indicates felicity. Marriage is not just any > friendship. It is essentially compromise for cohabitation. It is an > important part of dharma and how can be there any performance of dharma > w/o sacrifice ?. When one fails to sacrifice, then the problem starts. > There may be some temporary periods in which you may have to stay away > from your husband (7th lord in navamsa is in the 6th with two malefics). > > As far as relationship with father is concerned, we should note A9 and > D-12 carefully. In D-12, Surya-AK and Chandra-PiK are in 4-10 > relationship and lagnesha and 9th lord are in 4-10 relationship which > bodes well as far as mental suitability is asked for. However, Lagnesha > in the 9th indicates some health issues for his father. > > Coming back to the point in Rasi chart, 7th lords debility indicates you > to be a humble person who has contributed a lot to your happiness in > marriage. > > What Tarun has pointed out is important. There is indeed a strong curse > with exalted Chandra joined retrograde Sani and aspected by Rahu and > Mangal. Because this involves lagna lord & is aspected mutually by AK > Surya, this curse is felt by the native and it affects him. Dispositor > of Sani Chandra is Shukra with 8th lord. Hence 8th house (nija dosha) is > getting involved as well. Problem faced could be health or expenses or > even from brothers or career front. > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > ========================================================================\ > ============== > > sohamsa , " tarungarg " <tarungarg@> wrote: > > > > Respected Aruna Ji > > > > Since you posted the details and I had a look, it is my duty to point > > out a severe curse of mother in the 4th house for your husband and he > > is already running the moola dasa of Sa since 2004 who is retrograde > > and the Moon is exhalted. There is Rahu and Ma also aspecting the > moon. > > > > Ma is the 3rd and 10th lord and Sa is the 12th lord Ra is in the 12th > > house. That could indicate that you are going abroad soon if you are > > already not there. Involvement of the lagna lord is usually not very > > nice so I would suggest that the mantra for rishi Bhrigu be started as > > soon as possible. > > > > Staying close to the mother and helping her out is another static > remedy. > > > > I guess you would have already known that by now > > > > Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > > > sohamsa , " a_srimantula " a_srimantula@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gurus, > > > > > > My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has > > > excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till > date.Sun > > > is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in > > > 10th house with jupiter and mercury. > > > > > > Details are > > > 4th November 1971 > > > time 2:48 pm > > > place of birth :Amalapuram, India > > > Lat 16N35'00 > > > Long 82E12'00 > > > > > > > > > Thanking you > > > Aruna Srimantula > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sourav " <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Karu-ji and Rafal-ji, > > > > namaskar. Allow > > me to > > > > add 2 more cents. I think the moot points of the case are already > > > > discussed and further analysis cannot be added without the actual > > chart. > > > > However, I do not agree that 100% cancellation of debility can be > > > > compartmentalized uniformly for various grahas which can possibly > > cause > > > > the cancellation. > > > > > > > > First of all, when a graha is neecha it shows intense > > dissatisfaction > > > > with the resources it is asked to work with or environment to work > in. > > > > It is absolutely against its nature, that is. Wherever it is > > disposited > > > > and whatever its lordship(s) is(are), both suffer. Because various > > parts > > > > of life are interconnected, it is possible that the poison can > > spread to > > > > other parts of life due to this. If there is neechabhanga, then > > there is > > > > support from elsewhere (from chandra lagna -- by others in the > > > > family/society; from janma lagna -- due to sheer effort of native > > > > himself) which does the repair. Yes, if neecha bhanga is from > multiple > > > > fronts, then more people are helping out. But that does not mean > all > > > > will equally contribute. Please note that those who can help, > their > > > > strengths also need to be judged to understand how much relief can > be > > > > had from each of them and when (per dasas). > > > > > > > > Secondly, the affairs of a house are governed at three levels, > > grahas in > > > > the house, lordship of the house, and karaka of the house. If > > Shukra is > > > > strong and causes neechabhanga, then its is even better in this > case > > > > compared to Mangal or Shani giving neecha bhanga. Shukra is karaka > of > > > > the 7th house owned by Surya and owner of the 9th house of which > Surya > > > > is kaaraka. Further, Shukra indicates Lakshmi and 9th house is a > > > > trine/Lakshmi sthana. > > > > > > > > Thirdly, it is important to note the argalas, rasi aspects, rekhas > of > > > > the neecha bhanga causing graha to understand how they are > intervening > > > > in this matter to save the situation. > > > > > > > > Lastly, the more a person becomes spiritually advanced, the less > are > > > > effects of neecha or uccha, because the grahana on him by the > grahas > > > > becomes feeble. With spiritual enlightenment/unfoldment, the ill > > aspects > > > > of the graha ( here Surya indicates ego, excessive control) > > becomes less > > > > manifest and hence, necessarily, the ' dissatisfaction' level is > also > > > > lessened. > > > > > > > > Sarvam Durgaarpanamastu, > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================\ > \ > > > > =================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, that mean that planet is strong and can give full 25% but > thats > > > > it, > > > > > if we want to see if there is other help then we have left > > options 2) > > > > > Sani 3) Mangal 4) Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > > > > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > Not only neecha Banga. Dispositor of Sun is Yoga Karaka and in > a > > > > > > Kendra. Kalpa Druma Yoga from 7th house. Lagna lord Rahu will > be > > > > very > > > > > > happy, if he able to eclipse Sun, (the 7th lord) throught > Venus. > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > Karu > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com > <sohamsa > > > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:59 PM > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Karu, > > > > > > > > > > > > One neechabhanga graha is only 25%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > > > > > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karu napisa³(a): > > > > > >> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > >> Dear Mike, > > > > > >> Neecha state of Sun doesn't exist any more with the help > of > > > > > >> Venus. Such Venus in quadrant rainforcing the lagna, more > so, > > > > if > > > > > >> she is a good friend of Lord of the lagna. Depend of the > > Aruda, > > > > > >> boga comes. > > > > > >> Best Wishes > > > > > >> Karu > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> ** Michael Travass <michael.travass@ > > > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > > > <sohamsa > > > > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:27 AM > > > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hi Sarajit, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I understand what you are saying. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> But why should debilitated Surya in 9th give good > results > > > > > >> when Venus is in a quadrant. You know implicitly the > rasi > > > > > >> lagna is Aq. What do you think is the logic for the > > rider? > > > > I > > > > > >> think Sanjay knows about it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mike > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > > > > > >> <sohamsa [sohamsa@ > > > > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Sarajit Poddar > > > > > >> *Sent:* 11 August 2007 14:26 > > > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > > > > >> > > > > > >> || Jaya Jagannath || > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hi Mike, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> How is it, if you look it in a different > > perspective. A > > > > > >> person loses his independence (Suyra), when falls > > into > > > > > >> relationship (Shukra). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Best Wishes > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sarajit > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ > > > > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Travass > > > > > >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:00 AM > > > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Further isn't it that Surya controls Venus. For > > example > > > > > >> anything related to Venus (sexual urge) can be > > > > controlled > > > > > >> by Surya. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Is my interpretation correct. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mike > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ** Michael Travass [michael. > > > > > >> travass@btintern et.com] > > > > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 22:58 > > > > > >> *To:* 'sohamsa@ s.com' > > > > > >> *Subject:* RE: Upada Lagna > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Rafael, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks. In the COVA it is said that Surya is > not > > > > bad > > > > > >> in neecha position in Libra if it is the 9th > > house, > > > > > >> how do we reconcile this. Will Surya give > good > > > > > >> results when in 9th house which is libra a > > venusian > > > > > >> sign. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mike > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ** sohamsa@ .com > > > > [sohamsa@ > > > > > >> . com] *On Behalf Of *Rafal > > Gendarz > > > > > >> *Sent:* 10 August 2007 21:28 > > > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > > > > >> *Subject:* Re: Upada Lagna > > > > > >> > > > > > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Mike, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Yes, spiritual people avoid Iha-sukha > lokha, > > > > > >> especially those who follow Nivrrti Marg > > > > already. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Taurus is enemical sign, while Libra is > > > > > >> neecha-sign, soul doesnt want rebirth > (7H) as > > > > it > > > > > >> is accustomed to steadiness (Surya). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > > > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ > > > > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > >> Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. > fora.pl > > > > > >> <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Michael Travass napisa³(a): > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Dear Rafael, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Please could you explain what is > the > > > > > >> relationship of Venus and Sun. If > Sun > > > > is > > > > > >> in Venus sign (libra or taurus), > > is it > > > > bad. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mike > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - > > Release > > > > > >> 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release > > Date: > > > > > > 8/11/2007 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He hasexcellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sunis also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are4th November 1971time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel13 August 2007 09:33sohamsa Subject: Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Michael,Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes.Thanks,MichalMichael Travass <michael.travasssohamsa Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AMRE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He hasexcellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sunis also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are4th November 1971time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel13 August 2007 09:33sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski14 August 2007 09:40sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Michael,Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes.Thanks,Michal Michael Travass <michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com>sohamsa Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AMRE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He hasexcellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sunis also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are4th November 1971time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel13 August 2007 09:33sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Michael,Both the first and second UL's have the same lord Venus. And the 2nd lords from both UL's are involved in the same combination of Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Scorpio. The dictum from Jaimini is that Mars and Venus in a sign of Mars or Venus with Graha drsti of Jupiter causes illicet relationships outside of marriage. So why were extra marital affairs not a contributing factor in the ending of your marriage?Exalted Rahu in the 2nd from UL2 would only encourage cheating I would have thought.Respectfully,MichalMichael Travass <michael.travasssohamsa Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:57:19 AMRE: Re: Upada Lagna Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski14 August 2007 09:40sohamsa@ .comRe: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Michael,Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes.Thanks,Michal Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com>sohamsa@ .comTuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AMRE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He hasexcellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sunis also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are4th November 1971time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel13 August 2007 09:33sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Michal, There was no illicit realtionship involved or cheating. There could be cheating from the spouse side but I am not sure. More than that see Rahu is in second (check for other significations related to Rahu and not just cheating) and Venus in Marsian sign. Though Venus and Mars cause DK yoga the combo is the problem. Regards, Mike sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski14 August 2007 21:20sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Michael,Both the first and second UL's have the same lord Venus. And the 2nd lords from both UL's are involved in the same combination of Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Scorpio. The dictum from Jaimini is that Mars and Venus in a sign of Mars or Venus with Graha drsti of Jupiter causes illicet relationships outside of marriage. So why were extra marital affairs not a contributing factor in the ending of your marriage?Exalted Rahu in the 2nd from UL2 would only encourage cheating I would have thought.Respectfully,Michal Michael Travass <michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com>sohamsa Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:57:19 AMRE: Re: Upada Lagna Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski14 August 2007 09:40sohamsa@ .comRe: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Michael,Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes.Thanks,Michal Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com>sohamsa@ .comTuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AMRE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He hasexcellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sunis also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are4th November 1971time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel13 August 2007 09:33sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, I like Your persistance. But that will be not visible, we only can see excuses - planets in 2H. Lord will show (and more accurately 8L in D9 for 1st relationship) the *real cause*. Also Shukra altough in scorpio is with Jupiter so that can be other Venusian cause..not neccesarily e-maritial. 2L from first UL is in third bhava in D9 so partner instigate the break (in first relation). If the d9-lagna is accurate. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Both the first and second UL's have the same lord Venus. And the 2nd lords from both UL's are involved in the same combination of Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Scorpio. The dictum from Jaimini is that Mars and Venus in a sign of Mars or Venus with Graha drsti of Jupiter causes illicet relationships outside of marriage. So why were extra marital affairs not a contributing factor in the ending of your marriage? Exalted Rahu in the 2nd from UL2 would only encourage cheating I would have thought. Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> sohamsa Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:57:19 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 14 August 2007 09:40 sohamsa@ .com Re: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes. Thanks, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sun is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in 10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are 4th November 1971 time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00 Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel 13 August 2007 09:33 sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal,I don't think we are looking at the same chart.Travass, MichaelNatal Chart November 14, 1963Time: 14:00:31Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 02' 00", 15 N 17' 00" But thank you for the other points - * planets in the 2nd from UL show the excuses* whilst the 2nd lord from UL shows the 'real reason' for the break up. (As well as 8th lord in D9).Respectfully,MichalRafal Gendarz <starsuponmesohamsa Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:59:56 AMRe: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, I like Your persistance. But that will be not visible, we only can see excuses - planets in 2H. Lord will show (and more accurately 8L in D9 for 1st relationship) the *real cause*. Also Shukra altough in scorpio is with Jupiter so that can be other Venusian cause..not neccesarily e-maritial. 2L from first UL is in third bhava in D9 so partner instigate the break (in first relation). If the d9-lagna is accurate. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Both the first and second UL's have the same lord Venus. And the 2nd lords from both UL's are involved in the same combination of Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Scorpio. The dictum from Jaimini is that Mars and Venus in a sign of Mars or Venus with Graha drsti of Jupiter causes illicet relationships outside of marriage. So why were extra marital affairs not a contributing factor in the ending of your marriage? Exalted Rahu in the 2nd from UL2 would only encourage cheating I would have thought. Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:57:19 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 14 August 2007 09:40 sohamsa@ .com Re: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes. Thanks, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sun is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in 10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are 4th November 1971 time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00 Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel 13 August 2007 09:33 sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Michal, Yes, I took Virgo Lg and situation was the same as here. Venus+Mars yoga touch 2H and 7H from first and second Upapada, dispositor is with A7 which confirm the same, altough generally Ketu with A7 gives disinterest in that matters. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, I don't think we are looking at the same chart. Travass, Michael Natal Chart Date: November 14, 1963 Time: 14:00:31 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 74 E 02' 00", 15 N 17' 00" But thank you for the other points - * planets in the 2nd from UL show the excuses * whilst the 2nd lord from UL shows the 'real reason' for the break up. (As well as 8th lord in D9). Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> sohamsa Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:59:56 AM Re: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, I like Your persistance. But that will be not visible, we only can see excuses - planets in 2H. Lord will show (and more accurately 8L in D9 for 1st relationship) the *real cause*. Also Shukra altough in scorpio is with Jupiter so that can be other Venusian cause..not neccesarily e-maritial. 2L from first UL is in third bhava in D9 so partner instigate the break (in first relation). If the d9-lagna is accurate. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Both the first and second UL's have the same lord Venus. And the 2nd lords from both UL's are involved in the same combination of Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Scorpio. The dictum from Jaimini is that Mars and Venus in a sign of Mars or Venus with Graha drsti of Jupiter causes illicet relationships outside of marriage. So why were extra marital affairs not a contributing factor in the ending of your marriage? Exalted Rahu in the 2nd from UL2 would only encourage cheating I would have thought. Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:57:19 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 14 August 2007 09:40 sohamsa@ .com Re: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes. Thanks, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sun is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in 10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are 4th November 1971 time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00 Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel 13 August 2007 09:33 sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal,Virgo Lagna?In which amsa?Michael has Kumbha Lagna. I have given his details in a previous mail.Respectfully,MichalRafal Gendarz <starsuponmesohamsa Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:45:00 PMRe: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Michal, Yes, I took Virgo Lg and situation was the same as here. Venus+Mars yoga touch 2H and 7H from first and second Upapada, dispositor is with A7 which confirm the same, altough generally Ketu with A7 gives disinterest in that matters. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, I don't think we are looking at the same chart. Travass, Michael Natal Chart November 14, 1963 Time: 14:00:31 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 74 E 02' 00", 15 N 17' 00" But thank you for the other points - * planets in the 2nd from UL show the excuses * whilst the 2nd lord from UL shows the 'real reason' for the break up. (As well as 8th lord in D9). Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:59:56 AM Re: Re: Upada Lagna hraum namah adityaya Dear Michael, I like Your persistance. But that will be not visible, we only can see excuses - planets in 2H. Lord will show (and more accurately 8L in D9 for 1st relationship) the *real cause*. Also Shukra altough in scorpio is with Jupiter so that can be other Venusian cause..not neccesarily e-maritial. 2L from first UL is in third bhava in D9 so partner instigate the break (in first relation). If the d9-lagna is accurate. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl Michal Dziwulski napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Both the first and second UL's have the same lord Venus. And the 2nd lords from both UL's are involved in the same combination of Venus, Mars, and Mercury in Scorpio. The dictum from Jaimini is that Mars and Venus in a sign of Mars or Venus with Graha drsti of Jupiter causes illicet relationships outside of marriage. So why were extra marital affairs not a contributing factor in the ending of your marriage? Exalted Rahu in the 2nd from UL2 would only encourage cheating I would have thought. Respectfully, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:57:19 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Hello Michal, It looks like you have my chart details and you looked at sustenance of marriage. No, the marriage did not break down due to interferences from others. If you see in detail the spouse could be from the second upada (break and get back again with the same girl) which is Taurus and look for Rahu in the second from Taurus as the cause of the break. Regards, Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 14 August 2007 09:40 sohamsa@ .com Re: Re: Upada Lagna Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michael, Were interferences from other people a reason for the break in your marriage? I notice that Mars and Venus are in the 2nd from UL aspected by Jupiter. There could have been a lot of arguments also with Mars and Mercury conjoined. Sorry to pry, but was interested for learning purposes. Thanks, Michal ----- Original Message ---- Michael Travass <michael.travass@ btinternet. com> sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:32:40 AM RE: Re: Upada Lagna Dear Goel, This being 7th and debilitated it has not given me good partners even though the debilitation is cancelled. Venus and Mars are both strong in kendra from Lagna. Sun is also the AK. But my income did go up in Suns period as it is debilitated in 11th from AL (See Jamini). Otherwise I have not see any good effects. See the similar case of another persons chart who has a stable marriage life and good paternal relationship (I have copied the contents below). It's not in my case as the marriage did not last long. "My husband is an aquarian ascendant with sun in 9th house.He has excellent relationship with his father and good marriage till date.Sun is also Atmakaraka for him.Debility has been cancelled with Venus in 10th house with jupiter and mercury. Details are 4th November 1971 time 2:48 pm place of birth :Amalapuram, India Lat 16N35'00 Long 82E12'00" Regards. Mike sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ . com] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel 13 August 2007 09:33 sohamsa@ .com Re: Upada Lagna DEAR MIKE and other friends, WHEN , Sun in debility in Libra in 9th house , and Venus is in angular houses either from Lagna or Moon , Sun will be forming Neech bhang Raj-yoga , thus will yield good results.However , no other planet should be with Sun , otherwise the signification of this planet will suffer. There is another reason for Sun to yield good results with respect to 7th house: When ever Mool - trikona signs fall in Kendra houses and Sun or Saturn fall in their sign of debilitation in Apoklim houses , the signification of Kendra house is improved as malefic in 3rd house provide benefic Argala. Regards G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Auto Green Center. 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