Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Gurujans, Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. Respectful Regards, LN Kumar ______________________________\ ____ Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear LN Kumar, With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and tradition, should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is AK himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from AK-Jupiter-Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI or other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter-karakas like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it can be not so bad as person is spiritual. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com narender kumar napisał(a): Dear Gurujans, Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. Respectful Regards, LN Kumar ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafalji, I would say that greater problem here is the attitude towards teachers not knowledge? Guru AK as the great friend of Sun will radiate a lot of light of the self, but can fall in tremendeous ego problem regarding own spirituality and knowledge. The idea of God can also come under this influence as they tend to know God in the first line, not to serve it. As for the other karakatvas you`ve mentioned problems also can arise. Gu AK people will have too high ideals regarding truth, law, rightious conduction and they can become very judgmental about others on these issues. It is interesting that many women charts with Gu AK show rejecting of the spouse as the authority. Problem with Atma karaka grows stronger with years. The more we acchieve in life the harder we`ll let it go-more knowledge, more ego related to it. Or in case of Mars AK-when child or very young there`s really a little things we have to fight for. But later on, many " our " things come into picture that will provoke fight or the need to act protective about it. Warm regards Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear LN Kumar, > > With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and > tradition, should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to > AK or is AK himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now > He can share His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes > from AK-Jupiter-Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > > With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI > or other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more > humble regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > Jupiter-karakas like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but > inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it > can be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > Respectful Regards, > > LN Kumar > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > > mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana They are combined, if person thinks he know everything its bad attitude towards knowledge as this illusion hinders His futute progress and the conclusion of knowledge (atmajnana) is not gained. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com tijana napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafalji, I would say that greater problem here is the attitude towards teachers not knowledge? Guru AK as the great friend of Sun will radiate a lot of light of the self, but can fall in tremendeous ego problem regarding own spirituality and knowledge. The idea of God can also come under this influence as they tend to know God in the first line, not to serve it. As for the other karakatvas you`ve mentioned problems also can arise. Gu AK people will have too high ideals regarding truth, law, rightious conduction and they can become very judgmental about others on these issues. It is interesting that many women charts with Gu AK show rejecting of the spouse as the authority. Problem with Atma karaka grows stronger with years. The more we acchieve in life the harder we`ll let it go-more knowledge, more ego related to it. Or in case of Mars AK-when child or very young there`s really a little things we have to fight for. But later on, many "our" things come into picture that will provoke fight or the need to act protective about it. Warm regards Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear LN Kumar, > > With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and > tradition, should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to > AK or is AK himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now > He can share His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes > from AK-Jupiter-Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > > With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI > or other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more > humble regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > Jupiter-karakas like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but > inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it > can be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > Respectful Regards, > > LN Kumar > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > > mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Rafalji/Members This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs too. I read in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be more caring and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native is already by nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since young. So what is the lesson to be learnt? thanks Su >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme >sohamsa >sohamsa >Re: Jupiter as AK >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > *hraum namah adityaya* > >Dear LN Kumar, > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and tradition, >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is AK >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from >AK-Jupiter-Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI or >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter-karakas >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it can >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > >Regards, >Rafal Gendarz >Sri Jagannath Center Guru >email: rafal >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): >> >>Dear Gurujans, >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. >> >>Respectful Regards, >>LN Kumar >> >>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, >>news, photos & more. >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC >><http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC> >> >> _______________ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom\ %2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F8596\ 41 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & _m=EXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafalji, Great point. Another situation is possible from this attitude towards knowledge defined as atmajnana. Because of this, on very deep level person can feel that he is constantly failing in acchieving knowledge and nothing can satisfied him. From this, attitude towards teachers is rising...I begin to think that for spiritual inclined persons this is very hard situation. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Tijana > > They are combined, if person thinks he know everything its bad attitude > towards knowledge as this illusion > hinders His futute progress and the conclusion of knowledge (atmajnana) > is not gained. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > tijana napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafalji, > > I would say that greater problem here is the attitude towards > > teachers not knowledge? > > Guru AK as the great friend of Sun will radiate a lot of light of the > > self, but can fall in tremendeous ego problem regarding own > > spirituality and knowledge. The idea of God can also come under this > > influence as they tend to know God in the first line, not to serve it. > > As for the other karakatvas you`ve mentioned problems also can arise. > > Gu AK people will have too high ideals regarding truth, law, > > rightious conduction and they can become very judgmental about others > > on these issues. It is interesting that many women charts with Gu AK > > show rejecting of the spouse as the authority. > > Problem with Atma karaka grows stronger with years. The more we > > acchieve in life the harder we`ll let it go-more knowledge, more ego > > related to it. Or in case of Mars AK-when child or very young there`s > > really a little things we have to fight for. But later on, many " our " > > things come into picture that will provoke fight or the need to act > > protective about it. > > Warm regards > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear LN Kumar, > > > > > > With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and > > > tradition, should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in > > kendra to > > > AK or is AK himself then native thinks that he knows everything and > > now > > > He can share His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course > > comes > > > from AK-Jupiter-Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, > > TAI-CHI > > > or other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be > > more > > > humble regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > Jupiter-karakas like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > > > > Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially > > but > > > inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK > > then it > > > can be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > > > Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > > > > > Respectful Regards, > > > > LN Kumar > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > > > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, Especially when ninth house and ninth lord from Rasi and Navamsa Lagna are touched by Rahu or Shani. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com tijana napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafalji, Great point. Another situation is possible from this attitude towards knowledge defined as atmajnana. Because of this, on very deep level person can feel that he is constantly failing in acchieving knowledge and nothing can satisfied him. From this, attitude towards teachers is rising...I begin to think that for spiritual inclined persons this is very hard situation. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Tijana > > They are combined, if person thinks he know everything its bad attitude > towards knowledge as this illusion > hinders His futute progress and the conclusion of knowledge (atmajnana) > is not gained. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > tijana napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafalji, > > I would say that greater problem here is the attitude towards > > teachers not knowledge? > > Guru AK as the great friend of Sun will radiate a lot of light of the > > self, but can fall in tremendeous ego problem regarding own > > spirituality and knowledge. The idea of God can also come under this > > influence as they tend to know God in the first line, not to serve it. > > As for the other karakatvas you`ve mentioned problems also can arise. > > Gu AK people will have too high ideals regarding truth, law, > > rightious conduction and they can become very judgmental about others > > on these issues. It is interesting that many women charts with Gu AK > > show rejecting of the spouse as the authority. > > Problem with Atma karaka grows stronger with years. The more we > > acchieve in life the harder we`ll let it go-more knowledge, more ego > > related to it. Or in case of Mars AK-when child or very young there`s > > really a little things we have to fight for. But later on, many "our" > > things come into picture that will provoke fight or the need to act > > protective about it. > > Warm regards > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear LN Kumar, > > > > > > With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and > > > tradition, should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in > > kendra to > > > AK or is AK himself then native thinks that he knows everything and > > now > > > He can share His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course > > comes > > > from AK-Jupiter-Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, > > TAI-CHI > > > or other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be > > more > > > humble regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > Jupiter-karakas like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > > > > Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially > > but > > > inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK > > then it > > > can be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > > > Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > > > > > Respectful Regards, > > > > LN Kumar > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > > mail, news, photos & more. > > > > http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > > > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > > <http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Su, Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs too. I read in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be more caring and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native is already by nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since young. So what is the lesson to be learnt? thanks Su >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> >sohamsa@ ..com >sohamsa@ ..com >Re: Jupiter as AK >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > *hraum namah adityaya* > >Dear LN Kumar, > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and tradition, >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is AK >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI or >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter-karakas >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it can >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > >Regards, >Rafal Gendarz >Sri Jagannath Center Guru >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): >> >>Dear Gurujans, >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. >> >>Respectful Regards, >>LN Kumar >> >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, >>news, photos & more. >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com. au http://a.ninemsn. com.au/b. aspx?URL= http%3A%2F% 2Fsecure% 2Dau%2Eimrworldw ide%2Ecom% 2Fcgi%2Dbin% 2Fa%2Fci% 5F450304% 2Fet%5F2% 2Fcg%5F801459% 2Fpi%5F1004813% 2Fai%5F859641 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & _m=EXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 HARE RAMA KRISHNADear Su I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to all spiritual techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma AK person must practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always very caring, and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get enough for themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons also from the people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and everything those grahas represent. Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. Best wishes, BojanHari Om Tat SatRafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: hraum namah adityaya Dear Su, Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs too. I read in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be more caring and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native is already by nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since young. So what is the lesson to be learnt? thanks Su >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> >sohamsa@ .com >sohamsa@ .com >Re: Jupiter as AK >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > *hraum namah adityaya* > >Dear LN Kumar, > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and tradition, >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is AK >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI or >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter-karakas >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it can >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > >Regards, >Rafal Gendarz >Sri Jagannath Center Guru >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): >> >>Dear Gurujans, >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. >> >>Respectful Regards, >>LN Kumar >> >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, >>news, photos & more. >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com. au http://a.ninemsn. com.au/b. aspx?URL= http%3A%2F% 2Fsecure% 2Dau%2Eimrworldw ide%2Ecom% 2Fcgi%2Dbin% 2Fa%2Fci% 5F450304% 2Fet%5F2% 2Fcg%5F801459% 2Fpi%5F1004813% 2Fai%5F859641 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & _m=EXT Best wishes, SJC Guru Bojan Vidakovic for articles and consultations visit http://www.jatavedas.com Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Rafalji thank you for your response. Would it possible to elaborate a bit more...what is the reason for that? thank you Su >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme >sohamsa >sohamsa >Re: Jupiter as AK >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:39:09 +0200 > > *hraum namah adityaya* > >Dear Su, > >Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. > >Regards, >Rafal Gendarz >Sri Jagannath Center Guru >email: rafal >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > >v reality napisa?(a): >> >>Dear Rafalji/Members >> >>This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs too. I read >>in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be more caring >>and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native is already by >>nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since young. So what >>is the lesson to be learnt? >>thanks >>Su >> >> >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl <starsuponme%40wp.pl>> >> >sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> >> >sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> >> >Re: Jupiter as AK >> >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 >> > >> > *hraum namah adityaya* >> > >> >Dear LN Kumar, >> > >> >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and >>tradition, >> >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is >>AK >> >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share >> >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from >> >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. >> > >> >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI >>or >> >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble >> >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter-karakas >> >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. >> > >> >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but >> >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it >>can >> >be not so bad as person is spiritual. >> > >> >Regards, >> >Rafal Gendarz >> >Sri Jagannath Center Guru >> >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal%40rohinaa.com> >> >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com >> > >> > >> >narender kumar napisa?(a): >> >> >> >>Dear Gurujans, >> >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as >> >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. >> >> >> >>Respectful Regards, >> >>LN Kumar >> >> >> >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ >> >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: >>mail, >> >>news, photos & more. >> >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC >> >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC >><http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC>> >> >> >> >> >> >>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ >>Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com. au >>http://a.ninemsn. com.au/b. aspx?URL= http%3A%2F% 2Fsecure% >>2Dau%2Eimrworldw ide%2Ecom% 2Fcgi%2Dbin% 2Fa%2Fci% 5F450304% 2Fet%5F2% >>2Fcg%5F801459% 2Fpi%5F1004813% 2Fai%5F859641 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & >>_m=EXT >><http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E\ com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F8\ 59641 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & _m=EXT> >> >> _______________ Advertisement: Telstra’s Next GTM Network - now on Pre-Paid. Find out more. www.spreadthegoodstuff.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fclk%2Eatdmt%2Ecom%2FOAT%2Fgo%2Fn\ nmsnnxg0080000046oat%2Fdirect%2F01%2F & _t=765565283 & _r=Telstra_FFF_Prepaid_Hotmai\ l_Email_Taglines_JuySep07_Aug & _m=EXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Dear Bojan-ji Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be learnt for Sun AK, is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a different level as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense? thanks Su >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid >sohamsa >sohamsa >Re: Jupiter as AK >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA >Dear Su >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to all spiritual >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma AK person must >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always very caring, >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get enough for >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons also from the >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and everything those >grahas represent. >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. Best wishes, >Bojan >Hari Om Tat Sat > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > hraum namah adityaya > > Dear Su, > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs too. I read > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be more >caring > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native is already >by > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since young. So >what > is the lesson to be learnt? > thanks > Su > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > >sohamsa@ .com > >sohamsa@ .com > >Re: Jupiter as AK > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > >Dear LN Kumar, > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and >tradition, > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is >AK > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI >or > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter-karakas > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it >can > >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > >Regards, > >Rafal Gendarz > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): > >> > >>Dear Gurujans, > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > >> > >>Respectful Regards, > >>LN Kumar > >> > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: >mail, > >>news, photos & more. > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com. >au > http://a.ninemsn. com.au/b. aspx?URL= http%3A%2F% 2Fsecure% >2Dau%2Eimrworldw ide%2Ecom% 2Fcgi%2Dbin% 2Fa%2Fci% 5F450304% 2Fet%5F2% >2Fcg%5F801459% 2Fpi%5F1004813% 2Fai%5F859641 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & >_m=EXT > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > SJC Guru Bojan Vidakovic > for articles and consultations visit >http://www.jatavedas.com > > >Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car >Finder tool. _______________ Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at www.eBay.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2\ F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%2F%3Fid%3D6 & _t=763807330 & _r=email_taglines_EBAY & _m\ =EXT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Su, Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for the first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt by Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives " Shiva jnane Shiva seva " (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by Swami Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " v reality " <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Bojan-ji > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be learnt for Sun AK, > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a different level > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense? > > thanks > Su > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid > >sohamsa > >sohamsa > >Re: Jupiter as AK > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA > >Dear Su > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to all spiritual > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma AK person must > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always very caring, > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get enough for > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons also from the > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and everything those > >grahas represent. > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. Best wishes, > >Bojan > >Hari Om Tat Sat > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya > > > > Dear Su, > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs too. I read > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be more > >caring > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native is already > >by > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since young. So > >what > > is the lesson to be learnt? > > thanks > > Su > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > >sohamsa@ .com > > >sohamsa@ .com > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar, > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge and > >tradition, > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to AK or is > >AK > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now He can share > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes from > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in Karakamsa. > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through ZEN, TAI-CHI > >or > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be more humble > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on Jupiter- karakas > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy materially but > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from AK then it > >can > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Rafal Gendarz > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): > > >> > > >>Dear Gurujans, > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > >> > > >>Respectful Regards, > > >>LN Kumar > > >> > > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > >mail, > > >>news, photos & more. > > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > > >> > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com. > >au > > http://a.ninemsn. com.au/b. aspx?URL= http%3A%2F% 2Fsecure% > >2Dau%2Eimrworldw ide%2Ecom% 2Fcgi%2Dbin% 2Fa%2Fci% 5F450304% 2Fet% 5F2% > >2Fcg%5F801459% 2Fpi%5F1004813% 2Fai%5F859641 & _t=762955845 & _r=tig_AUG07 & > >_m=EXT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > > > SJC Guru Bojan Vidakovic > > for articles and consultations visit > >http://www.jatavedas.com > > > > > >Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car > >Finder tool. > > _______________ > Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. Find what you want at www.eBay.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom% 2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%2F%3Fid% 3D6 & _t=763807330 & _r=email_taglines_EBAY & _m=EXT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Nitish, Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had just answer my question. To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind mentioning Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on this? Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn in 9th bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya wrote: > > || Om Tat Sat || > Dear Tijana, > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do? > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show what all a > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected and progress > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka and > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever that " hardly > ever do " equates to. > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do anything being > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK, PiK, Puk, > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit! > > Actually, the mantra is " Shiva jnane Jiva Seva " (serving every > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath received > from his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius. > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness of > perception and assimilation that empowered him with unusual power to > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master. > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others, easily > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna, even though > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and never as > preaching. > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami Vivekananda > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta that could > benefit individual and collective life in the society. > > > " ...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s signs > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task... " > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri Yukteswar > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest level of > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could be the most > spiritual person. > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of the signs/ > planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests through the > dispositor of AK and its sign placement. > > regards, > NITISH > > sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Su, > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for the > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the thing > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt by > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives " Shiva jnane Shiva > > seva " (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by > Swami > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > sohamsa , " v reality " <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be learnt > for > > Sun AK, > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a > > different level > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense? > > > > > > thanks > > > Su > > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@> > > > >sohamsa > > > >sohamsa > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > >Dear Su > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to all > > spiritual > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma AK > > person must > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always very > > caring, > > > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get enough > > for > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons also > > from the > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and > > everything those > > > >grahas represent. > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. Best > > wishes, > > > >Bojan > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > hraum namah adityaya > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members > > > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other AKs > > too. I read > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn to be > > more > > > >caring > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the native > is > > already > > > >by > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others since > > young. So > > > >what > > > > is the lesson to be learnt? > > > > thanks > > > > Su > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > >sohamsa@ .com > > > > >sohamsa@ .com > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar, > > > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others knowledge > and > > > >tradition, > > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in kendra to > > AK or is > > > >AK > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and now > He > > can share > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course comes > from > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies through > > ZEN, TAI-CHI > > > >or > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to be > > more humble > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > Jupiter- > > karakas > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy > > materially but > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement from > AK > > then it > > > >can > > > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > >Rafal Gendarz > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > >> > > > > >>Dear Gurujans, > > > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > >> > > > > >>Respectful Regards, > > > > >>LN Kumar > > > > >> > > > > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > _________ _ > > > > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your > > pocket: > > > >mail, > > > > >>news, photos & more. > > > > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > > > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _ > > > > Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at > > CarPoint.com. > > > >au > > > > http://a.ninemsn. com.au/b. aspx?URL= http%3A%2F% 2Fsecure% > > > >2Dau%2Eimrworldw ide%2Ecom% 2Fcgi%2Dbin% 2Fa%2Fci% 5F450304% > 2Fet% > > 5F2% > > > >2Fcg%5F801459% 2Fpi%5F1004813% 2Fai%5F859641 & _t=762955845 & > > _r=tig_AUG07 & > > > >_m=EXT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > > > > > > > SJC Guru Bojan Vidakovic > > > > for articles and consultations visit > > > >http://www.jatavedas.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out > Autos > > new Car > > > >Finder tool. > > > > > > _______________ > > > Advertisement: Make shopping exciting. 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Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Dear Nitish and Tijana Thank you for the information re AK and for taking up this discussion. warm regards Su > " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya >sohamsa >sohamsa > Re: Jupiter as AK >Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:33:01 -0000 > >|| Om TAT SAT || >Dear Tijana, > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > mentioning Gita in this context. > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka 22. > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen to work. Thus, >there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has to " serve " , all AKs > " serve " . > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka?! > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta - provided >enough effort has been put in. > > > Are you determing dharma based on this? > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord. > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > Yes. > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house. Leo being a dharma >trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through 10th house of >Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should learn principles of >artha shastra to serve. > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > All souls have to " Serve " only as there is nothing else to be done >in the three worlds because Krishna has already achieved everything >that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer Gita). Those who >do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever be their AK. > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted >Saturn in 9th > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires. Thus, >vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his remaining karma/ >desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no more substance to >this than a past-life karmic relationship of the two which continued >in this birth also. > >regards, >NITISH > >sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Nitish, > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had just answer > > my question. > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind >mentioning > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on this? Will > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). But do >you > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn in 9th > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || > > > Dear Tijana, > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do? > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show what >all a > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected and >progress > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka and > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever that " hardly > > > ever do " equates to. > > > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do anything >being > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK, PiK, >Puk, > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit! > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is " Shiva jnane Jiva Seva " (serving every > > > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath >received > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius. > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness of > > > perception and assimilation that empowered him with unusual power >to > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master. > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others, >easily > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna, even >though > > > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and never as > > > preaching. > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami >Vivekananda > > > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta that >could > > > benefit individual and collective life in the society. > > > > > > > " ...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s >signs > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task... " > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri >Yukteswar > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest level >of > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could be the >most > > > spiritual person. > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of the >signs/ > > > planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests through >the > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement. > > > > > > regards, > > > NITISH > > > > > > sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Su, > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for >the > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the >thing > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt >by > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives " Shiva jnane >Shiva > > > > seva " (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by > > > Swami > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be >in > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " v reality " <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. > > > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be >learnt > > > for > > > > Sun AK, > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a > > > > different level > > > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@> > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > > >Dear Su > > > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to >all > > > > spiritual > > > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma >AK > > > > person must > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always >very > > > > caring, > > > > > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get >enough > > > > for > > > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons >also > > > > from the > > > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and > > > > everything those > > > > > >grahas represent. > > > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. >Best > > > > wishes, > > > > > >Bojan > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v reality napisaÅ‚(a): Dear Rafalji/Members > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other >AKs > > > > too. I read > > > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn >to be > > > > more > > > > > >caring > > > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the >native > > > is > > > > already > > > > > >by > > > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others >since > > > > young. So > > > > > >what > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others >knowledge > > > and > > > > > >tradition, > > > > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in >kendra to > > > > AK or is > > > > > >AK > > > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and >now > > > He > > > > can share > > > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course >comes > > > from > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies >through > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI > > > > > >or > > > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to >be > > > > more humble > > > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > Jupiter- > > > > karakas > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy > > > > materially but > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement >from > > > AK > > > > then it > > > > > >can > > > > > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > > > > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Respectful Regards, > > > > > > >>LN Kumar > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > > > _________ _ > > > > > > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in >your > > > > pocket: > > > > > >mail, > > > > > > >>news, photos & more. > > > > > > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > > > > > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ >_________ > > > _ > > > > > > Advertisement: It's simple! 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Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Nitish, Yes, all must serve. The questions raised in these discussions on Atma karakas were on the specific way of serving. If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha shastra to serve, the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to differentiate? I assume you are taking karakatvas of the houses into account also (2nd, 6th, 10th)? The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but regarding spirituality and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose deepest meaning is inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer Vivekananda). Only in that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect King. What artha shastra principles you had in mind? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya wrote: > > || Om TAT SAT || > Dear Tijana, > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > mentioning Gita in this context. > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka 22. > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen to work. Thus, > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has to " serve " , all AKs > " serve " . > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka?! > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta - provided > enough effort has been put in. > > > Are you determing dharma based on this? > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord. > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > Yes. > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house. Leo being a dharma > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through 10th house of > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should learn principles of > artha shastra to serve. > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > All souls have to " Serve " only as there is nothing else to be done > in the three worlds because Krishna has already achieved everything > that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer Gita). Those who > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever be their AK. > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted > Saturn in 9th > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires. Thus, > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his remaining karma/ > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no more substance to > this than a past-life karmic relationship of the two which continued > in this birth also. > > regards, > NITISH > > sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Nitish, > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had just answer > > my question. > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > mentioning > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on this? Will > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). But do > you > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn in 9th > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || > > > Dear Tijana, > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do? > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show what > all a > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected and > progress > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka and > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever that " hardly > > > ever do " equates to. > > > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do anything > being > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK, PiK, > Puk, > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit! > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is " Shiva jnane Jiva Seva " (serving every > > > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath > received > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius. > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness of > > > perception and assimilation that empowered him with unusual power > to > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master. > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others, > easily > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna, even > though > > > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and never as > > > preaching. > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami > Vivekananda > > > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta that > could > > > benefit individual and collective life in the society. > > > > > > > " ...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s > signs > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task... " > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri > Yukteswar > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest level > of > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could be the > most > > > spiritual person. > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of the > signs/ > > > planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests through > the > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement. > > > > > > regards, > > > NITISH > > > > > > sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Su, > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for > the > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the > thing > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt > by > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives " Shiva jnane > Shiva > > > > seva " (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by > > > Swami > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be > in > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " v reality " <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated. > > > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be > learnt > > > for > > > > Sun AK, > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a > > > > different level > > > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@> > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > > >Dear Su > > > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to > all > > > > spiritual > > > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma > AK > > > > person must > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always > very > > > > caring, > > > > > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get > enough > > > > for > > > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons > also > > > > from the > > > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and > > > > everything those > > > > > >grahas represent. > > > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. > Best > > > > wishes, > > > > > >Bojan > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su, > > > > > > > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other > AKs > > > > too. I read > > > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn > to be > > > > more > > > > > >caring > > > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the > native > > > is > > > > already > > > > > >by > > > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others > since > > > > young. So > > > > > >what > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Su > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others > knowledge > > > and > > > > > >tradition, > > > > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in > kendra to > > > > AK or is > > > > > >AK > > > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and > now > > > He > > > > can share > > > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course > comes > > > from > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies > through > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI > > > > > >or > > > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to > be > > > > more humble > > > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > Jupiter- > > > > karakas > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy > > > > materially but > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement > from > > > AK > > > > then it > > > > > >can > > > > > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a): > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as > > > > > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Respectful Regards, > > > > > > >>LN Kumar > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > > > _________ _ > > > > > > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in > your > > > > pocket: > > > > > >mail, > > > > > > >>news, photos & more. > > > > > > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC > > > > > > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ > > > _ > > > > > > Advertisement: It's simple! 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Nitish, Only from one simple statement of yours "It is not always possible for me..." i read that your AK must be nothing less than Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the right way of finding answers on my queries. Warm regards, Tijanayeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya wrote: Dear Tijana,Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma - deep/shallow,material/spiritual - all kind of things have a basis only inparamatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis i.e. separation ofsoul from paramatma (which is illusory only though) and hencematerial/spiritual loss depending on the kind of karma involved.As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th part of theconsciousness, relatively . Thus, in part, it becomes itsresponsibility to guide the affairs of that sign/house towardsfulfillment. You may explore it further.It is not always possible for me to answer to your specific queries.Hopefully, in time, you will discover the truth of your queries.best regards,nitishsohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic" <nix_nixen wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> Dear Nitish,> Yes, all must serve. The questions raised in these discussions on Atma> karakas were on the specific way of serving. > If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha shastra to serve,> the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to differentiate? I assume you> are taking karakatvas of the houses into account also (2nd, 6th, 10th)?> The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but regarding spirituality> and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose deepest meaning is> inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer Vivekananda). Only in> that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect King. What artha> shastra principles you had in mind?> Warm regards,> Tijana> > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> wrote:> >> > || Om TAT SAT ||> > Dear Tijana,> > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > > mentioning Gita in this context.> > > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka 22.> > > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen to work. Thus, > > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has to "serve", all AKs > > "serve".> > > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka?! > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta - provided > > enough effort has been put in.> > > > > Are you determing dharma based on this? > > > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord.> > > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > > > Yes. > > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house. Leo being a dharma > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through 10th house of > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should learn principles of > > artha shastra to serve.> > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > > > All souls have to "Serve" only as there is nothing else to be done > > in the three worlds because Krishna has already achieved everything > > that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer Gita). Those who > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever be their AK.> > > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus> > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself).> > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted > > Saturn in 9th> > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these?> > > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires. Thus, > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his remaining karma/> > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no more substance to > > this than a past-life karmic relationship of the two which continued > > in this birth also.> > > > regards,> > NITISH> > > > sohamsa , "tijana" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > Dear Nitish,> > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had just answer> > > my question.> > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > mentioning> > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a> > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on this? Will> > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus> > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). But do > > you> > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn in 9th> > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > > Warm regards,> > > Tijana> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> wrote:> > > >> > > > || Om Tat Sat ||> > > > Dear Tijana,> > > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do?> > > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show what > > all a > > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected and > > progress > > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka and > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever that "hardly > > > > ever do" equates to.> > > > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do anything > > being > > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK, PiK, > > Puk, > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit!> > > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is "Shiva jnane Jiva Seva" (serving every > > > > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath > > received > > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius.> > > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness of > > > > perception and assimilation that empowered him with unusual power > > to > > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master.> > > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others, > > easily > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna, even > > though > > > > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and never as > > > > preaching.> > > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami > > Vivekananda > > > > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta that > > could > > > > benefit individual and collective life in the society.> > > > > > > > > "...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s > > signs > > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task..."> > > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri > > Yukteswar > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest level > > of > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could be the > > most > > > > spiritual person.> > > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of the > > signs/> > > > planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests through > > the > > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > NITISH> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "tijana" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for > > the > > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the > > thing > > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt > > by > > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives "Shiva jnane > > Shiva > > > > > seva" (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by > > > > Swami > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be > > in > > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task.> > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > Tijana> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "v reality" <reality_v@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.> > > > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be > > learnt > > > > for > > > > > Sun AK, > > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a > > > > > different level > > > > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense?> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > Su> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@>> > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK> > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > > > >Dear Su> > > > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to > > all > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma > > AK > > > > > person must > > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always > > very > > > > > caring, > > > > > > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get > > enough > > > > > for > > > > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons > > also > > > > > from the > > > > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and > > > > > everything those > > > > > > >grahas represent.> > > > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. > > Best > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > >Bojan> > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > > > > email: rafal@> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > v reality napisał(a): Dear Rafalji/Members> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other > > AKs > > > > > too. I read> > > > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn > > to be > > > > > more > > > > > > >caring> > > > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the > > native > > > > is > > > > > already > > > > > > >by> > > > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others > > since > > > > > young. So > > > > > > >what> > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt?> > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > Su> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK> > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others > > knowledge > > > > and > > > > > > >tradition,> > > > > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in > > kendra to > > > > > AK or is > > > > > > >AK> > > > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and > > now > > > > He > > > > > can share> > > > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course > > comes > > > > from> > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > > > > Karakamsa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies > > through > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI > > > > > > >or> > > > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to > > be > > > > > more humble> > > > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > > Jupiter-> > > > > karakas> > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy > > > > > materially but> > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement > > from > > > > AK > > > > > then it > > > > > > >can> > > > > > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a):> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>Dear Gurujans,> > > > > > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as> > > > > > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>Respectful Regards,> > > > > > > >>LN Kumar> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > > > > _________ _> > > > > > > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in > > your > > > > > pocket: > > > > > > >mail,> > > > > > > >>news, photos & more.> > > > > > > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > > > > > > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > _________ > > > > _> > > > > > > Advertisement: It's simple! 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