Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear SS, Mantra is as per adi devta of the graha, hence its position should be taken into account esp if it is in yuti with another graha. Otherwise if in the example you quote, Ju is alone and a benefic, then a Indra namah mantra should be advised. Hope I got it right. Best Sharat - Soul Sadhak sohamsa Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:04 PM Adi-devata worship for upapada Hi All,Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has no planets in it? e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or does it req. specific syllable count?Else how is it done? Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same?Thanx a tonneSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Hi SS, Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray to Shakti. Regards Supriti sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Hi All, > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has no > planets in it? > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > does it req. specific syllable count? > > Else how is it done? > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > Thanx a tonne > SS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Supriti Thats correct. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl supriti108 napisał(a): Hi SS, Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray to Shakti. Regards Supriti sohamsa@ ..com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has no > planets in it? > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > does it req. specific syllable count? > > Else how is it done? > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > Thanx a tonne > SS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Supriti, I agree about the Rupas. However if in UL there is a graha, only then its avtaar is taken. If you are taking the lord of UL and there is no graha then there is no avtaar but we should take the adi devta of the lord irrespective of the native's sex Best Sharat - supriti108 sohamsa Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:55 PM Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Hi SS,Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord.The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray to Shakti.RegardsSupritisohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote:>> Hi All,> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has no > planets in it? > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > does it req. specific syllable count?> > Else how is it done? > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same?> > Thanx a tonne> SS> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Om Gurave namah Dear Rafal, Shouldn't the worship of Shakti roop or certain Vishnnu avatar - as sustainer of marriage (UL) actually be advised from second bhava from UL ? I learnt fasting on vara of UL lord is advisable until marriage occurs and after one should pray for the sustenance of same depending on 2.bhava graha/lord Regards Maja sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hare rama krsna*> > Dear Supriti> > Thats correct.> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > supriti108 napisa?(a):> >> > Hi SS,> >> > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of> > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord.> >> > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage,> > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should> > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray> > to Shakti.> >> > Regards> > Supriti> >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>, > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hi All,> > >> > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general> > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has> > no> > > planets in it?> > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or> > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > >> > > Else how is it done?> > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same?> > >> > > Thanx a tonne> > > SS> > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Maja, About remedies: 2L from Upapada is for sustaining the relationship, lord of Upapada to manifest/build. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Maja napisał(a): Om Gurave namah Dear Rafal, Shouldn't the worship of Shakti roop or certain Vishnnu avatar - as sustainer of marriage (UL) actually be advised from second bhava from UL ? I learnt fasting on vara of UL lord is advisable until marriage occurs and after one should pray for the sustenance of same depending on 2.bhava graha/lord Regards Maja sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Supriti > > Thats correct. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > Hi SS, > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray > > to Shakti. > > > > Regards > > Supriti > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has > > no > > > planets in it? > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > SS > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Rafal, Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for the spouse to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...and not avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching. Best Sharat - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada hare rama krsnaDear Supriti Thats correct.Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comConsultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.plsupriti108 napisał(a): Hi SS,Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord.The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray to Shakti.RegardsSupritisohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:>> Hi All,> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has no > planets in it? > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > does it req. specific syllable count?> > Else how is it done? > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same?> > Thanx a tonne> SS> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Sharat, It depends on various factors, generally Adhi devatas are worshipped for starting activity so I agree, but then I saw my Guruji working with charts. Infact teachings of Sanjayji has different levels;) Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Sharat napisał(a): ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Rafal, Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for the spouse to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...and not avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching. Best Sharat - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada hare rama krsna Dear Supriti Thats correct. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl supriti108 napisał(a): Hi SS, Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray to Shakti. Regards Supriti sohamsa@ ..com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has no > planets in it? > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > does it req. specific syllable count? > > Else how is it done? > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > Thanx a tonne > SS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Maja, You are right. Male natives should worship the shakti rupa while female natives should worship Vishnu avatar. Best regards, Sarbani Maja [vakelim] Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:24 AM sohamsa Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Om Gurave namah Dear Rafal, Shouldn't the worship of Shakti roop or certain Vishnnu avatar - as sustainer of marriage (UL) actually be advised from second bhava from UL ? I learnt fasting on vara of UL lord is advisable until marriage occurs and after one should pray for the sustenance of same depending on 2.bhava graha/lord Regards Maja sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Supriti > > Thats correct. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > Hi SS, > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray > > to Shakti. > > > > Regards > > Supriti > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>, > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has > > no > > > planets in it? > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > SS > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 If I have UL in Cancer, what is the shakti form of 2nd from UL? I have Moon in Leo (2nd from UL). I have dhanur lagna. Sanjay ji suggested I fast on Monday, and pray to shiva. sohamsa , " Sarbani Rath " <sarbani wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > You are right. Male natives should worship the shakti rupa while female > natives should worship Vishnu avatar. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > Maja [vakelim] > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:24 AM > sohamsa > Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada > > > > Om Gurave namah > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Shouldn't the worship of Shakti roop or certain Vishnnu avatar - as > sustainer of marriage (UL) actually be advised from second bhava from UL ? > > I learnt fasting on vara of UL lord is advisable until marriage occurs and > after one should pray for the sustenance of same depending on 2.bhava > graha/lord > > > > Regards > > Maja > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > > > Hi SS, > > > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > > > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray > > > to Shakti. > > > > > > Regards > > > Supriti > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40>, > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has > > > no > > > > planets in it? > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal! So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, have I got it right? sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Supriti > > Thats correct. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > Hi SS, > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray > > to Shakti. > > > > Regards > > Supriti > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40>, > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has > > no > > > planets in it? > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > SS > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Fellow Members, I would like to add here - UL - is for the 1st spouse ( the person who was in mind for >=1 year, ceremonies should be ignored.) 8th from UL - for the 2nd spouse 8th from (8th from UL) - for the 3rd spouse and so on... ex - If someone has an affair in the past for (>1 yr) and come to us for marriage we should see 8th from UL and apply the rules for UL. Please comment. Thanks, Samir " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ .com> To Sent by: sohamsa sohamsa@grou cc ps.com Subject Re: Adi-devata worship 29 August 2007 for upapada 05:41 GMT Please respond to sohamsa@grou ps.com Hi Rafal, Sharat, Supriti, What Sharat is saying re. worshiping Adi devata if no planet in UL, but avatara if planet present with UL, is also mentioned in this paper: http://.org/sjc_delhi/pdfs/SJC-Atri-Gurudev-on-Marriage- high.pdf One more thing, can the lord of UL be worshipped with Adi+Pratyadi devata in that case using specifc verse from Navagraha Sutra? If mantra has to be used, then energy shd go from which hs to which: UL to lord or lord to UL? Safest bet (sorry shdnt use that word) is to fast on UL day before marriage. Thanx SS sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Sharat, > > It depends on various factors, generally Adhi devatas are worshipped for > starting activity so I agree, but then I saw my Guruji working with > charts. Infact teachings of Sanjayji has different levels;) > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Rafal, > > Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for the spouse > > to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...and not > > avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > Best > > Sharat > > > > > > > > - > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > >> Hi SS, > >> > >> Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > >> the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > >> > >> The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > >> marriage, > >> because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > >> providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > >> money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > >> should > >> look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > >> should pray > >> to Shakti. > >> > >> Regards > >> Supriti > >> > >> sohamsa@ .com > >> <sohamsa%40>, " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ > >> ...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > >> general > >> > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter > >> has > >> no > >> > planets in it? > >> > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud > >> do or > >> > does it req. specific syllable count? > >> > > >> > Else how is it done? > >> > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > >> > > >> > Thanx a tonne > >> > SS > >> > > >> > > > Whilst this email has been checked for all known viruses, recipients should undertake their own virus checking as Xansa will not accept any liability whatsoever. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and protected by client privilege. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient. Please delete it and notify the sender if you have received it in error. Unauthorised use is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the organisation. Xansa, Registered Office: 420 Thames Valley Park Drive, Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1PU, UK. Registered in England No.1000954. t +44 (0)8702 416181 w www.xansa.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Samir, If I'm not wrong, one doesn't use their ULs just by having somebody on mind for marriage. Even if somebody had an affair for a year, it may not be considered from the UL's perspective unless the relation was taken seriously by both who had the relationship, and there were serious talks and efforts of getting married. Also, if we are looking at a common person's chart (not an evolved soul), then we should also consider whether the relationship was consummated or not. Read Freedom's article on this: http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotishArudhaUL.shtml samir.chitkara wrote: Dear Fellow Members,I would like to add here -UL - is for the 1st spouse ( the person who was in mind for >=1 year,ceremonies should be ignored.)8th from UL - for the 2nd spouse8th from (8th from UL) - for the 3rd spouse and so on...ex - If someone has an affair in the past for (>1 yr) and come to us formarriage we should see 8th from UL and apply the rules for UL.Please comment.Thanks,Samir"Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ .com> To Sent by: sohamsa sohamsa@grou cc ps.com Subject Re: Adi-devata worship 29 August 2007 for upapada 05:41 GMT Please respond to sohamsa@grou ps.com Hi Rafal, Sharat, Supriti,What Sharat is saying re. worshiping Adi devata if no planet in UL,but avatara if planet present with UL, is also mentioned in thispaper:http://.org/sjc_delhi/pdfs/SJC-Atri-Gurudev-on-Marriage-high.pdfOne more thing, can the lord of UL be worshipped with Adi+Pratyadidevata in that case using specifc verse from Navagraha Sutra?If mantra has to be used, then energy shd go from which hs to which:UL to lord or lord to UL?Safest bet (sorry shdnt use that word) is to fast on UL day beforemarriage.ThanxSSsohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hare rama krsna*>> Dear Sharat,>> It depends on various factors, generally Adhi devatas areworshipped for> starting activity so I agree, but then I saw my Guruji working with> charts. Infact teachings of Sanjayji has different levels;)>>> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>>> Sharat napisa?(a):> >> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Rafal,> > Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for thespouse> > to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...andnot> > avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching.> > Best> > Sharat> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme> > *To:* sohamsa@ .com<sohamsa >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> >> > *hare rama krsna*> >> > Dear Supriti> >> > Thats correct.> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal> > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com<http://www.rohinaa.com>> > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> >> > supriti108 napisa?(a):> >> >> Hi SS,> >>> >> Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnuavatar of> >> the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the ULlord.> >>> >> The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for> >> marriage,> >> because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are thenatural> >> providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marryfor> >> money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage.Men> >> should> >> look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they> >> should pray> >> to Shakti.> >>> >> Regards> >> Supriti> >>> >> sohamsa@ .com> >> <sohamsa%40>, "Soul Sadhak"<soulsadhak@> >> ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Hi All,> >> >> >> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables)or> >> general> >> > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if thelatter> >> has> >> no> >> > planets in it?> >> > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general IndraMantra wud> >> do or> >> > does it req. specific syllable count?> >> >> >> > Else how is it done?> >> > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read aboutthe same?> >> >> >> > Thanx a tonne> >> > SS> >> >> >>> >>Whilst this email has been checked for all known viruses, recipients should undertake their own virus checking as Xansa will not accept any liability whatsoever.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and protected by client privilege. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient.Please delete it and notify the sender if you have received it inerror. Unauthorised use is prohibited.Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and notnecessarily the organisation.Xansa, Registered Office: 420 Thames Valley Park Drive,Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1PU, UK.Registered in England No.1000954.t +44 (0)8702 416181w www.xansa.com Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 SS, Could you please verify the link and send again? Or, email me the PDF, please. PSoul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: Hi Rafal, Sharat, Supriti,What Sharat is saying re. worshiping Adi devata if no planet in UL, but avatara if planet present with UL, is also mentioned in this paper:http://.org/sjc_delhi/pdfs/SJC-Atri-Gurudev-on-Marriage-high.pdfOne more thing, can the lord of UL be worshipped with Adi+Pratyadi devata in that case using specifc verse from Navagraha Sutra?If mantra has to be used, then energy shd go from which hs to which: UL to lord or lord to UL?Safest bet (sorry shdnt use that word) is to fast on UL day before marriage.ThanxSSsohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *hare rama krsna*> > Dear Sharat,> > It depends on various factors, generally Adhi devatas are worshipped for > starting activity so I agree, but then I saw my Guruji working with > charts. Infact teachings of Sanjayji has different levels;)> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com> Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > Sharat napisa?(a):> >> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Rafal,> > Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for the spouse > > to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...and not > > avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching.> > Best> > Sharat> > > > > >> > -> > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme> > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa >> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> >> > *hare rama krsna*> >> > Dear Supriti> >> > Thats correct.> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal> > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > <http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl>> >> > supriti108 napisa?(a):> >> >> Hi SS,> >>> >> Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of> >> the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord.> >>> >> The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for> >> marriage,> >> because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> >> providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> >> money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men> >> should> >> look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they> >> should pray> >> to Shakti.> >>> >> Regards> >> Supriti> >>> >> sohamsa@ .com> >> <sohamsa%40>, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@> >> ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Hi All,> >> >> >> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or> >> general> >> > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter> >> has> >> no> >> > planets in it?> >> > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud> >> do or> >> > does it req. specific syllable count?> >> >> >> > Else how is it done?> >> > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same?> >> >> >> > Thanx a tonne> >> > SS> >> >> >>> >> Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Samir, If I'm not wrong, one doesn't use their ULs just by having somebody on mind for marriage. Even if somebody had an affair for a year, it may not be considered from the UL's perspective unless the relation was taken seriously by both who had the relationship, and there were serious talks and efforts of getting married. Also, if we are looking at a common person's chart (not an evolved soul), then we should also consider whether the relationship was consummated or not. Read Freedom's article on this: http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotishArudhaUL.shtml P. "samir.chitkara" <samir.chitkarasohamsa Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:23:34 AMRe: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Dear Fellow Members,I would like to add here -UL - is for the 1st spouse ( the person who was in mind for >=1 year,ceremonies should be ignored.)8th from UL - for the 2nd spouse8th from (8th from UL) - for the 3rd spouse and so on...ex - If someone has an affair in the past for (>1 yr) and come to us formarriage we should see 8th from UL and apply the rules for UL.Please comment.Thanks,Samir"Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ .com> To Sent by: sohamsa@ .com sohamsa@grou cc ps.com Subject Re: Adi-devata worship 29 August 2007 for upapada 05:41 GMT Please respond to sohamsa@grou ps.com Hi Rafal, Sharat, Supriti,What Sharat is saying re. worshiping Adi devata if no planet in UL,but avatara if planet present with UL, is also mentioned in thispaper:http:// .org/sjc_ delhi/pdfs/ SJC-Atri- Gurudev-on- Marriage-high.pdfOne more thing, can the lord of UL be worshipped with Adi+Pratyadidevata in that case using specifc verse from Navagraha Sutra?If mantra has to be used, then energy shd go from which hs to which:UL to lord or lord to UL?Safest bet (sorry shdnt use that word) is to fast on UL day beforemarriage.ThanxSSsohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:>> *hare rama krsna*>> Dear Sharat,>> It depends on various factors, generally Adhi devatas areworshipped for> starting activity so I agree, but then I saw my Guruji working with> charts. Infact teachings of Sanjayji has different levels;)>>> Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com> Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl>>> Sharat napisa?(a):> >> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Rafal,> > Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for thespouse> > to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...andnot> > avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching.> > Best> > Sharat> >> >> >> > -> > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > > *To:* sohamsa@ ..com<sohamsa@ .com>> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> >> > *hare rama krsna*> >> > Dear Supriti> >> > Thats correct.> >> >> > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ...>> > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com<http://www.rohinaa. com>> > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > <http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl>> >> > supriti108 napisa?(a):> >> >> Hi SS,> >>> >> Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnuavatar of> >> the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the ULlord.> >>> >> The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for> >> marriage,> >> because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are thenatural> >> providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marryfor> >> money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage.Men> >> should> >> look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they> >> should pray> >> to Shakti.> >>> >> Regards> >> Supriti> >>> >> sohamsa@ .com> >> <sohamsa% 40. com>, "Soul Sadhak"<soulsadhak@> >> ...> wrote:> >> >> >> > Hi All,> >> >> >> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables)or> >> general> >> > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if thelatter> >> has> >> no> >> > planets in it?> >> > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general IndraMantra wud> >> do or> >> > does it req. specific syllable count?> >> >> >> > Else how is it done?> >> > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read aboutthe same?> >> >> >> > Thanx a tonne> >> > SS> >> >> >>> >>Whilst this email has been checked for all known viruses, recipients should undertake their own virus checking as Xansa will not accept any liability whatsoever.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and protected by client privilege. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient.Please delete it and notify the sender if you have received it inerror. Unauthorised use is prohibited.Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and notnecessarily the organisation.Xansa, Registered Office: 420 Thames Valley Park Drive,Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1PU, UK.Registered in England No.1000954.t +44 (0)8702 416181w www.xansa.com Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 P, I agree - by " Mind " I was trying to refer that physical contact is not necessary. very informative article.. Thanks, Samir Promila Chitkara <promilac om> To Sent by: sohamsa sohamsa@grou cc ps.com Subject Re: Re: Adi-devata 29 August 2007 worship for upapada 02:13 MST Please respond to sohamsa@grou ps.com Samir, If I'm not wrong, one doesn't use their ULs just by having somebody on mind for marriage. Even if somebody had an affair for a year, it may not be considered from the UL's perspective unless the relation was taken seriously by both who had the relationship, and there were serious talks and efforts of getting married. Also, if we are looking at a common person's chart (not an evolved soul), then we should also consider whether the relationship was consummated or not. Read Freedom's article on this: http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotishArudhaUL.shtml P. " samir.chitkara " <samir.chitkara sohamsa Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:23:34 AM Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Dear Fellow Members, I would like to add here - UL - is for the 1st spouse ( the person who was in mind for >=1 year, ceremonies should be ignored.) 8th from UL - for the 2nd spouse 8th from (8th from UL) - for the 3rd spouse and so on... ex - If someone has an affair in the past for (>1 yr) and come to us for marriage we should see 8th from UL and apply the rules for UL. Please comment. Thanks, Samir " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ..com> To Sent by: sohamsa@ .com sohamsa@grou cc ps.com Subject Re: Adi-devata worship 29 August 2007 for upapada 05:41 GMT Please respond to sohamsa@grou ps.com Hi Rafal, Sharat, Supriti, What Sharat is saying re. worshiping Adi devata if no planet in UL, but avatara if planet present with UL, is also mentioned in this paper: http:// .org/sjc_ delhi/pdfs/ SJC-Atri- Gurudev-on- Marriage- high.pdf One more thing, can the lord of UL be worshipped with Adi+Pratyadi devata in that case using specifc verse from Navagraha Sutra? If mantra has to be used, then energy shd go from which hs to which: UL to lord or lord to UL? Safest bet (sorry shdnt use that word) is to fast on UL day before marriage. Thanx SS sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Sharat, > > It depends on various factors, generally Adhi devatas are worshipped for > starting activity so I agree, but then I saw my Guruji working with > charts. Infact teachings of Sanjayji has different levels;) > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Rafal, > > Do you not agree that if there no graha in the UL then for the spouse > > to manifest one should worship the Adi devta of the UL lord...and not > > avtaars. This is Sanjay ji's teaching. > > Best > > Sharat > > > > > > > > - > > ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa@ .com> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:02 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ...> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa. com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > <http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl> > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > >> Hi SS, > >> > >> Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > >> the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > >> > >> The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > >> marriage, > >> because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > >> providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > >> money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > >> should > >> look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > >> should pray > >> to Shakti. > >> > >> Regards > >> Supriti > >> > >> sohamsa@ .com > >> <sohamsa% 40. com>, " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ > >> ...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > >> general > >> > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter > >> has > >> no > >> > planets in it? > >> > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud > >> do or > >> > does it req. specific syllable count? > >> > > >> > Else how is it done? > >> > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > >> > > >> > Thanx a tonne > >> > SS > >> > > >> > > > Whilst this email has been checked for all known viruses, recipients should undertake their own virus checking as Xansa will not accept any liability whatsoever. 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Pramila: For Gemini UL, I think the answer is: 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring your spouse. 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd from UL for sustenance - Krishna. Regards Supriti sohamsa , " promilac " <promilac wrote: > > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal! > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > have I got it right? > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > > > Hi SS, > > > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar > of > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > > > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > marriage, > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > should > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > should pray > > > to Shakti. > > > > > > Regards > > > Supriti > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > 40>, > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > general > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter > has > > > no > > > > planets in it? > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud > do or > > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > same? > > > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear all , I have been advised by Vistiji to worship Shiva (in the form of Tryambaka) with Jyotirlinga mantra to find a spouse. How does this fit in with the things we are talking about ? My birth details 28-02-1980 12:35 PM Hanamkonda India sohamsa , " supriti108 " <supriti108 wrote: > > Dear Pramila: > > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is: > 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse. > 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna. > > Regards > Supriti > > > sohamsa , " promilac " <promilac@> wrote: > > > > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal! > > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right? > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Hi SS, > > > > > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of > > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord. > > > > > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage, > > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should > > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray > > > > to Shakti. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Supriti > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general > > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has > > > > no > > > > > planets in it? > > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or > > > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same? > > > > > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Pramila, Supriti, Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section. It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL. So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there. For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL. Best Sharat - supriti108 sohamsa Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Dear Pramila:For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring your spouse.2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd from UL for sustenance - Krishna.RegardsSupritisohamsa , "promilac" <promilac wrote:>> This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > have I got it right?> > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> >> > *hare rama krsna*> > > > Dear Supriti> > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > email: rafal@> > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com> > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > >> > > Hi SS,> > >> > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar > of> > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord.> > >> > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > marriage,> > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > should> > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > should pray> > > to Shakti.> > >> > > Regards> > > Supriti> > >> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> 40>, > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi All,> > > >> > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > general> > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter > has> > > no> > > > planets in it?> > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud > do or> > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > >> > > > Else how is it done?> > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > same?> > > >> > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > SS> > > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 || Namah Shivaya|| Dear .... , It could be for the curse on the exalted Venus in your chart. Venus also shows your spouse being in the 7H of Navamsa. Lord of the UL is Jupiter and its Adi devta is Indra, fasting on Thursday and praying to Indra will also help show your spouse. Best Sharat - bpavan2k1 sohamsa Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:31 PM Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Dear all , I have been advised by Vistiji to worship Shiva (in the form ofTryambaka) with Jyotirlinga mantra to find a spouse. How does this fitin with the things we are talking about ?My birth details28-02-198012:35 PM Hanamkonda India sohamsa , "supriti108" <supriti108 wrote:>> Dear Pramila:> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse.> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.> > Regards> Supriti> > > sohamsa , "promilac" <promilac@> wrote:> >> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right?> > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > >> > > *hare rama krsna*> > > > > > Dear Supriti> > > > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal@> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Hi SS,> > > >> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord.> > > >> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage,> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray> > > > to Shakti.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Supriti> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has> > > > no> > > > > planets in it?> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > > >> > > > > Else how is it done?> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > > SS> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Bpavan, We shouldnt be like robots in Jyotish, otherwise we just need one program which can do all work for us. Its little more complicated, Shani in seventh from is Vakri - this is the main cause of problems in getting married, now Gurudev recognized this as curse as AK is aspected by Mangal also - therefore advised Trayambaka with Isana Sadakshari as best remedy for this person. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Consultations & Articles: http://www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Sharat napisał(a): || Namah Shivaya|| Dear .... , It could be for the curse on the exalted Venus in your chart. Venus also shows your spouse being in the 7H of Navamsa. Lord of the UL is Jupiter and its Adi devta is Indra, fasting on Thursday and praying to Indra will also help show your spouse. Best Sharat - bpavan2k1 sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:31 PM Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada Dear all , I have been advised by Vistiji to worship Shiva (in the form of Tryambaka) with Jyotirlinga mantra to find a spouse. How does this fit in with the things we are talking about ? My birth details 28-02-1980 12:35 PM Hanamkonda India sohamsa@ ..com, "supriti108" <supriti108@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Pramila: > > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is: > 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse. > 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna. > > Regards > Supriti > > > sohamsa@ ..com, "promilac" <promilac@> wrote: > > > > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal! > > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right? > > > > sohamsa@ ..com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com > > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl > > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Hi SS, > > > > > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of > > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord. > > > > > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage, > > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should > > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray > > > > to Shakti. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Supriti > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40. com>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general > > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has > > > > no > > > > > planets in it? > > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or > > > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same? > > > > > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Dear Sharat, My comment was not to discount your understanding. I have not discussed this with anyone but logically it does make sense to me. As Rafal said, Adhi Devata is worshipped to start something, to get the grace of God to make something happen, to activate a graha. If a graha is in a house then that graha will bring the manifestations of the house so we can worship it on an Avatar level. When there is no graha in a house we will need to invoke the adhi devata to make the house significations manifest. However, based on this understanding, even if the house is empty, if the lord of the house is strong and/or aspects the house then avatar worship would be a good remedy. Please do add your comments. Gurus please comment. Regards Supriti sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > Dear Pramila, Supriti, > Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section. > It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL. > So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there. > For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL. > Best > Sharat > > - > supriti108 > sohamsa > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM > Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada > > > Dear Pramila: > > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is: > 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse. > 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna. > > Regards > Supriti > > sohamsa , " promilac " <promilac@> wrote: > > > > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal! > > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right? > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > Dear Supriti > > > > > > Thats correct. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com > > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl > > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Hi SS, > > > > > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of > > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord. > > > > > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage, > > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should > > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray > > > > to Shakti. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Supriti > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general > > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has > > > > no > > > > > planets in it? > > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or > > > > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > > > > > > > Else how is it done? > > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same? > > > > > > > > > > Thanx a tonne > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Dear Sharat, As I said in my previous posting, I do agree with you based on the logic that Adi Devata worship is required to activate the house if there is no graha present. However, I am still questioning this in case the lord is strong and aspecting the UL (lord is active when it comes to the house). I hope gurus will comment on this for my better understanding. Regards Supriti sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > Dear Supriti, > I agree about the Rupas. However if in UL there is a graha, only then its avtaar is taken. If you are taking the lord of UL and there is no graha then there is no avtaar but we should take the adi devta of the lord irrespective of the native's sex > Best > Sharat > - > supriti108 > sohamsa > Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:55 PM > Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada > > > Hi SS, > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu avatar of > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL lord. > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for marriage, > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men should > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they should pray > to Shakti. > > Regards > Supriti > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or general > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the latter has > no > > planets in it? > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra wud do or > > does it req. specific syllable count? > > > > Else how is it done? > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the same? > > > > Thanx a tonne > > SS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Supriti, Appreciate your response, which makes sense. Best Sharat - supriti108 sohamsa Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:52 PM Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada |OM GURAVE NAMAH|Dear Sharat,My comment was not to discount your understanding. I have not discussed this with anyone but logically it does make sense to me.As Rafal said, Adhi Devata is worshipped to start something, to get the grace of God to make something happen, to activate a graha. If a graha is in a house then that graha will bring the manifestations of the house so we can worship it on an Avatar level. When there is no graha in a house we will need to invoke the adhi devata to make the house significations manifest.However, based on this understanding, even if the house is empty, if the lord of the house is strong and/or aspects the house then avatar worship would be a good remedy. Please do add your comments. Gurus please comment. RegardsSupritisohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Pramila, Supriti,> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar only if there is a graha in the UL.> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is there.> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married, you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.> Best> Sharat> > - > supriti108 > sohamsa > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada> > > Dear Pramila:> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to bring > your spouse.> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to the 2nd > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.> > Regards> Supriti> > sohamsa , "promilac" <promilac@> wrote:> >> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming Rafal!> > > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship Krishna, > > have I got it right?> > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > >> > > *hare rama krsna*> > > > > > Dear Supriti> > > > > > Thats correct.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal@> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa.com> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl> > > > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > Hi SS,> > > >> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the vishnu > avatar > > of> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of the UL > lord.> > > >> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to Vishnu for > > marriage,> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the natural> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to marry for> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for marriage. Men > > should> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence they > > should pray> > > > to Shakti.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Supriti> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40>, > > > > "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of syllables) or > > general> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if the > latter > > has> > > > no> > > > > planets in it?> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra Mantra > wud > > do or> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?> > > > >> > > > > Else how is it done?> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read about the > > same?> > > > >> > > > > Thanx a tonne> > > > > SS> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 |om| Dear Rafal, namaste hare rama krsnaIts little more complicated, Shani in seventh from is Vakri - this is the main cause of problems in getting married, ..Could you please elaborate on how Sani (vakri) in 7th house is the main cause of problems in getting married? best regards Hari Could you please elaborate on how Sani (vakri) in 7th house is the main cause of delay?_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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