Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

August 29, 2007

Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,

I have been reading your exchange with interest in the hope of

learning something new, but I find myself disagreeing subtly in the

essence of what you say. In fact, deep down in the exchange I find

this statement made by " v_reality " which makes a lot of sense to me:

" Can this also be understood at a different level as the effacement

of 'self' in a spiritual sense? " .

Here is my take - I have none of the scriptural knowledge you both

have, only I have seen several Sun AK people: I dont think it is

fair to say that Sun AK people are egotistic. See, English also has

a lot of words which have subtly different meanings, and the right

one has to be used. An egotistic person is one who has a exaggerated

sense of self-importance. Almost everyone in this world has that

(and you are fooling yourself if you deny it), it is plain wrong to

observe a person have Sun AK and simultaneously observe that he also

has an exaggerated sense of self importance and say " yes, that is

what the Sun AK does to him " . I can cite hundreds of people I know

who are very self important and DONT have Sun AK, and not only that

may not even have a strong Sun in their chart.

I personally think the only statement that can be observed

repeatedly with Sun AK people is that they are egocentric i.e. their

view of the world is based on the individual rather than the

society. They may or may not be egotistical (i.e. egocentricity does

not imply self importance) - the AK simply makes them go through

experiences in life such that their core self is tested. How they

respond to it depends probably on lots of other astrological

factors. The only statement I can safely make, based on pure

experience, is that Sun AK people are guided to divinity through

experiences of the self, consequently their view is egocentric.

I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I can share her data) who was

molested (by her own professor) and denied a higher degree that she

worked hard for, then get married and then divorced, then have her

mom die of cancer in a rather painful way, then have her brother get

divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then leave her too), then (she) get

married again and her husband develop terminal cancer very soon

afterward. Net result: she cant seem to find a strong and consistent

support outside of herself - she has become self reliant and only

finds consistent happiness in meditation/reiki. She is probably

egotistical in some degree too, but not in any outstanding way at

all, and probably much less than all the people around her..

Consequently, I really dispute the fact that Sun AK people must

learn to " reduce their ego " . That is simply a general lesson for all

of mankind. Sun AK people's AK will guide them towards divinity

through experiences that make them focus on themselves and search

for the truth: now that's the statement I find much more to the

point.

Comments?

Thanks,

Sundeep

sohamsa , nix nixen <nix_nixen wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Nitish,

> Only from one simple statement of yours " It is not always

possible for me... " i read that your AK must be nothing less than

Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the right way of

finding answers on my queries.

> Warm regards,

> Tijana

>

> yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya wrote:

> Dear Tijana,

> Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma - deep/shallow,

> material/spiritual - all kind of things have a basis only in

> paramatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis i.e. separation

of

> soul from paramatma (which is illusory only though) and hence

> material/spiritual loss depending on the kind of karma involved.

>

> As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th part of the

> consciousness, relatively . Thus, in part, it becomes its

> responsibility to guide the affairs of that sign/house towards

> fulfillment. You may explore it further.

>

> It is not always possible for me to answer to your specific

queries.

> Hopefully, in time, you will discover the truth of your queries.

>

> best regards,

> nitish

>

> sohamsa , " tijanadamjanovic " <nix_nixen@>

wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> > Dear Nitish,

> > Yes, all must serve. The questions raised in these discussions

on Atma

> > karakas were on the specific way of serving.

> > If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha shastra to

serve,

> > the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to differentiate? I assume

you

> > are taking karakatvas of the houses into account also (2nd, 6th,

10th)?

> > The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but regarding

spirituality

> > and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose deepest meaning

is

> > inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer Vivekananda).

Only in

> > that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect King. What artha

> > shastra principles you had in mind?

> > Warm regards,

> > Tijana

> >

> > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > Dear Tijana,

> > >

> > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind

> > > > mentioning Gita in this context.

> > >

> > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka 22.

> > >

> > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen to work.

Thus,

> > > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has to " serve " , all

AKs

> > > " serve " .

> > >

> > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to

Janaka?!

> > >

> > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta -

provided

> > > enough effort has been put in.

> > >

> > > > Are you determing dharma based on this?

> > >

> > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord.

> > >

> > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an

example!

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house. Leo being a

dharma

> > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through 10th

house of

> > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should learn

principles of

> > > artha shastra to serve.

> > >

> > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving.

> > >

> > > All souls have to " Serve " only as there is nothing else to be

done

> > > in the three worlds because Krishna has already achieved

everything

> > > that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer Gita).

Those who

> > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever be their

AK.

> > >

> > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in

Dhanus

> > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself).

> > > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had

exalted

> > > Saturn in 9th

> > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed

these?

> > >

> > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires. Thus,

> > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his remaining

karma/

> > > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no more substance

to

> > > this than a past-life karmic relationship of the two which

continued

> > > in this birth also.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > NITISH

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had

just answer

> > > > my question.

> > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind

> > > mentioning

> > > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK

gives a

> > > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on

this? Will

> > > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an

example!

> > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving.

> > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in

Dhanus

> > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself).

But do

> > > you

> > > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn

in 9th

> > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed

these?

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > Tijana

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||

> > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > >

> > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do?

> > > > >

> > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show

what

> > > all a

> > > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected

and

> > > progress

> > > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka

and

> > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever

that " hardly

> > > > > ever do " equates to.

> > > > > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do

anything

> > > being

> > > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK,

PiK,

> > > Puk,

> > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit!

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, the mantra is " Shiva jnane Jiva Seva " (serving

every

> > > > > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath

> > > received

> > > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius.

> > > > >

> > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness

of

> > > > > perception and assimilation that empowered him with

unusual power

> > > to

> > > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others,

> > > easily

> > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna,

even

> > > though

> > > > > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and

never as

> > > > > preaching.

> > > > >

> > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami

> > > Vivekananda

> > > > > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta

that

> > > could

> > > > > benefit individual and collective life in the society.

> > > > >

> > > > > > " ...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in

Jupiter`s

> > > signs

> > > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task... "

> > > > >

> > > > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri

> > > Yukteswar

> > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest

level

> > > of

> > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could

be the

> > > most

> > > > > spiritual person.

> > > > >

> > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of

the

> > > signs/

> > > > > planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests

through

> > > the

> > > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > NITISH

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa , " tijana " <nix_nixen@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka

for

> > > the

> > > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is

the

> > > thing

> > > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be

learnt

> > > by

> > > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives " Shiva

jnane

> > > Shiva

> > > > > > seva " (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to

us by

> > > > > Swami

> > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK

should be

> > > in

> > > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very

hard task.

> > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa , " v reality " <reality_v@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.

> > > > > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be

> > > learnt

> > > > > for

> > > > > > Sun AK,

> > > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood

at a

> > > > > > different level

> > > > > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@>

> > > > > > > >sohamsa

> > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > > > > > > >Dear Su

> > > > > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very

humble to

> > > all

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers.

With Ma

> > > AK

> > > > > > person must

> > > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is

always

> > > very

> > > > > > caring,

> > > > > > > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never

get

> > > enough

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn

lessons

> > > also

> > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father

and

> > > > > > everything those

> > > > > > > >grahas represent.

> > > > > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in

praxix.

> > > Best

> > > > > > wishes,

> > > > > > > >Bojan

> > > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum

melodies.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > v reality napisaÅ‚(a): Dear Rafalji/Members

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss

other

> > > AKs

> > > > > > too. I read

> > > > > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to

learn

> > > to be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > >caring

> > > > > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where

the

> > > native

> > > > > is

> > > > > > already

> > > > > > > >by

> > > > > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about

others

> > > since

> > > > > > young. So

> > > > > > > >what

> > > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt?

> > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others

> > > knowledge

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > >tradition,

> > > > > > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in

> > > kendra to

> > > > > > AK or is

> > > > > > > >AK

> > > > > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything

and

> > > now

> > > > > He

> > > > > > can share

> > > > > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of

course

> > > comes

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be

naturally in

> > > > > > Karakamsa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies

> > > through

> > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI

> > > > > > > >or

> > > > > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should

learn to

> > > be

> > > > > > more humble

> > > > > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be

focused on

> > > > > Jupiter-

> > > > > > karakas

> > > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so

easy

> > > > > > materially but

> > > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good

placement

> > > from

> > > > > AK

> > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > >can

> > > > > > > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Regards,

> > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Dear Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as

> > > > > > > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Respectful Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>LN Kumar

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||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sundeep,

Good observations, I was following this thread as well but really found the ' ego ' bit coming in too quickly.

English words cant describe so well ' ahankar ' and ' aham' which are different and I agree that one cannot see this only in Sun AK. However as you say, Sun AK needs to learn to serve others as it does not come naturally to them. And you cant take ' I ' away from them so easily but perhaps if one wants to merge with Paramatma, then the ' I ' will have to merge in to ' Him '.

Best

Sharat

-

vedicastrostudent

sohamsa

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:56 PM

Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,I have been reading your exchange with interest in the hope of learning something new, but I find myself disagreeing subtly in the essence of what you say. In fact, deep down in the exchange I find this statement made by "v_reality" which makes a lot of sense to me:"Can this also be understood at a different level as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense?".Here is my take - I have none of the scriptural knowledge you both have, only I have seen several Sun AK people: I dont think it is fair to say that Sun AK people are egotistic. See, English also has a lot of words which have subtly different meanings, and the right one has to be used. An egotistic person is one who has a exaggerated sense of self-importance. Almost everyone in this world has that (and you are fooling yourself if you deny it), it is plain wrong to observe a person have Sun AK and simultaneously observe that he also has an exaggerated sense of self importance and say "yes, that is what the Sun AK does to him". I can cite hundreds of people I know who are very self important and DONT have Sun AK, and not only that may not even have a strong Sun in their chart.I personally think the only statement that can be observed repeatedly with Sun AK people is that they are egocentric i.e. their view of the world is based on the individual rather than the society. They may or may not be egotistical (i.e. egocentricity does not imply self importance) - the AK simply makes them go through experiences in life such that their core self is tested. How they respond to it depends probably on lots of other astrological factors. The only statement I can safely make, based on pure experience, is that Sun AK people are guided to divinity through experiences of the self, consequently their view is egocentric.I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I can share her data) who was molested (by her own professor) and denied a higher degree that she worked hard for, then get married and then divorced, then have her mom die of cancer in a rather painful way, then have her brother get divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then leave her too), then (she) get married again and her husband develop terminal cancer very soon afterward. Net result: she cant seem to find a strong and consistent support outside of herself - she has become self reliant and only finds consistent happiness in meditation/reiki. She is probably egotistical in some degree too, but not in any outstanding way at all, and probably much less than all the people around her..Consequently, I really dispute the fact that Sun AK people must learn to "reduce their ego". That is simply a general lesson for all of mankind. Sun AK people's AK will guide them towards divinity through experiences that make them focus on themselves and search for the truth: now that's the statement I find much more to the point.Comments?Thanks,Sundeepsohamsa , nix nixen <nix_nixen wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> Dear Nitish,> Only from one simple statement of yours "It is not always possible for me..." i read that your AK must be nothing less than Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the right way of finding answers on my queries.> Warm regards,> Tijana> > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya wrote:> Dear Tijana,> Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma - deep/shallow,> material/spiritual - all kind of things have a basis only in> paramatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis i.e. separation of> soul from paramatma (which is illusory only though) and hence> material/spiritual loss depending on the kind of karma involved.> > As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th part of the> consciousness, relatively . Thus, in part, it becomes its> responsibility to guide the affairs of that sign/house towards> fulfillment. You may explore it further.> > It is not always possible for me to answer to your specific queries.> Hopefully, in time, you will discover the truth of your queries.> > best regards,> nitish> > sohamsa , "tijanadamjanovic" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Nitish,> > Yes, all must serve. The questions raised in these discussions on Atma> > karakas were on the specific way of serving. > > If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha shastra to serve,> > the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to differentiate? I assume you> > are taking karakatvas of the houses into account also (2nd, 6th, 10th)?> > The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but regarding spirituality> > and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose deepest meaning is> > inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer Vivekananda). Only in> > that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect King. What artha> > shastra principles you had in mind?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> wrote:> > >> > > || Om TAT SAT ||> > > Dear Tijana,> > > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > > > mentioning Gita in this context.> > > > > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka 22.> > > > > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen to work. Thus, > > > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has to "serve", all AKs > > > "serve".> > > > > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka?! > > > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta - provided > > > enough effort has been put in.> > > > > > > Are you determing dharma based on this? > > > > > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord.> > > > > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > > > > > Yes. > > > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house. Leo being a dharma > > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through 10th house of > > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should learn principles of > > > artha shastra to serve.> > > > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > > > > > All souls have to "Serve" only as there is nothing else to be done > > > in the three worlds because Krishna has already achieved everything > > > that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer Gita). Those who > > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever be their AK.> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus> > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself).> > > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted > > > Saturn in 9th> > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these?> > > > > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires. Thus, > > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his remaining karma/> > > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no more substance to > > > this than a past-life karmic relationship of the two which continued > > > in this birth also.> > > > > > regards,> > > NITISH> > > > > > sohamsa , "tijana" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Nitish,> > > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had just answer> > > > my question.> > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > > mentioning> > > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a> > > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on this? Will> > > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > > > Swami Vivekananda`s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus> > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself). But do > > > you> > > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn in 9th> > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > > > Warm regards,> > > > Tijana> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||> > > > > Dear Tijana,> > > > > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do?> > > > > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show what > > > all a > > > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected and > > > progress > > > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka and > > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever that "hardly > > > > > ever do" equates to.> > > > > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do anything > > > being > > > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK, PiK, > > > Puk, > > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit!> > > > > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is "Shiva jnane Jiva Seva" (serving every > > > > > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath > > > received > > > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius.> > > > > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness of > > > > > perception and assimilation that empowered him with unusual power > > > to > > > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master.> > > > > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others, > > > easily > > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna, even > > > though > > > > > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and never as > > > > > preaching.> > > > > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami > > > Vivekananda > > > > > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta that > > > could > > > > > benefit individual and collective life in the society.> > > > > > > > > > > "...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s > > > signs > > > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task..."> > > > > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri > > > Yukteswar > > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest level > > > of > > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could be the > > > most > > > > > spiritual person.> > > > > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of the > > > signs/> > > > > planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests through > > > the > > > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > NITISH> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "tijana" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for > > > the > > > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the > > > thing > > > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt > > > by > > > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives "Shiva jnane > > > Shiva > > > > > > seva" (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by > > > > > Swami > > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be > > > in > > > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task.> > > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > > Tijana> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "v reality" <reality_v@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply. Much appreciated.> > > > > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be > > > learnt > > > > > for > > > > > > Sun AK, > > > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a > > > > > > different level > > > > > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > Su> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@>> > > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > > > >sohamsa > > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK> > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > > > > >Dear Su> > > > > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to > > > all > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma > > > AK > > > > > > person must > > > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence), with Ch the native is always > > > very > > > > > > caring, > > > > > > > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get > > > enough > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons > > > also > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and > > > > > > everything those > > > > > > > >grahas represent.> > > > > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. > > > Best > > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > >Bojan> > > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > > > > > email: rafal@> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > v reality napisaÅ‚(a): Dear Rafalji/Members> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Could we discuss other > > > AKs > > > > > > too. I read> > > > > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn > > > to be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > >caring> > > > > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the > > > native > > > > > is > > > > > > already > > > > > > > >by> > > > > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others > > > since > > > > > > young. So > > > > > > > >what> > > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt?> > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > Su> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK> > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others > > > knowledge > > > > > and > > > > > > > >tradition,> > > > > > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in > > > kendra to > > > > > > AK or is > > > > > > > >AK> > > > > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and > > > now > > > > > He > > > > > > can share> > > > > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course > > > comes > > > > > from> > > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > > > > > Karakamsa.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies > > > through > > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI > > > > > > > >or> > > > > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to > > > be > > > > > > more humble> > > > > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > > > Jupiter-> > > > > > karakas> > > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy > > > > > > materially but> > > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement > > > from > > > > > AK > > > > > > then it > > > > > > > >can> > > > > > > > >be not so bad as person is spiritual.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Regards,> > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> > > > > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a):> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Dear Gurujans,> > > > > > > > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as> > > > > > > > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as mahadasha.> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Respectful Regards,> > > > > > > > >>LN Kumar> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>__________ __ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > > > > > _________ _> > > > > > > > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in > > > your > > > > > > pocket: > > > > > > > >mail,> > > > > > > > >>news, photos & more.> > > > > > > > >>http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC> > > > > > > > >><http://mobile. / go?refer= 1GNXIC>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > > > _________ > > > > > _> > > > > > > > Advertisement: It's simple! 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Sundeep,

You post was beautiful!

I don't know how technically accurate it is, but at the psychological level you have made good points. I've Rahu as my AK, but I've major ego despite a weak Sun! Maybe it comes from Mars in the D-1 and D-9 ascendents. However, since Ketu is placed in D-1 ascendent (taurus) with Mars, it urges me to do a lot of self-analysis and self-obervation. Not even a single hour passes in my life without analyzing my thoughts and actions...I don't know if I make sense here.

P.

vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudentsohamsa Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:26:13 AM Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,I have been reading your exchange with interest in the hope of learning something new, but I find myself disagreeing subtly in the essence of what you say. In fact, deep down in the exchange I find this statement made by "v_reality" which makes a lot of sense to me:"Can this also be understood at a different level as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense?".Here is my take - I have none of the scriptural knowledge you both have, only I have seen several Sun AK people: I dont think it is fair to say that Sun AK people are egotistic. See, English also has a lot of words which have subtly different meanings, and the right one has to be used. An egotistic person is one who has a exaggerated sense of self-importance. Almost everyone in this world has that (and you are fooling yourself if you deny it), it is plain wrong to observe a person have Sun AK and

simultaneously observe that he also has an exaggerated sense of self importance and say "yes, that is what the Sun AK does to him". I can cite hundreds of people I know who are very self important and DONT have Sun AK, and not only that may not even have a strong Sun in their chart.I personally think the only statement that can be observed repeatedly with Sun AK people is that they are egocentric i.e. their view of the world is based on the individual rather than the society. They may or may not be egotistical (i.e. egocentricity does not imply self importance) - the AK simply makes them go through experiences in life such that their core self is tested. How they respond to it depends probably on lots of other astrological factors. The only statement I can safely make, based on pure experience, is that Sun AK people are guided to divinity through experiences of the self, consequently their view

is egocentric.I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I can share her data) who was molested (by her own professor) and denied a higher degree that she worked hard for, then get married and then divorced, then have her mom die of cancer in a rather painful way, then have her brother get divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then leave her too), then (she) get married again and her husband develop terminal cancer very soon afterward. Net result: she cant seem to find a strong and consistent support outside of herself - she has become self reliant and only finds consistent happiness in meditation/reiki. She is probably egotistical in some degree too, but not in any outstanding way at all, and probably much less than all the people around her..Consequently, I really dispute the fact that Sun AK people must learn to "reduce their ego". That is simply a general lesson for all of mankind. Sun AK

people's AK will guide them towards divinity through experiences that make them focus on themselves and search for the truth: now that's the statement I find much more to the point.Comments?Thanks,Sundeepsohamsa@ .com, nix nixen <nix_nixen@. ..> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> Dear Nitish,> Only from one simple statement of yours "It is not always possible for me..." i read that your AK must be nothing less than Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the right way of finding answers on my queries.> Warm regards,> Tijana> > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> wrote:> Dear Tijana,> Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma - deep/shallow,> material/spiritual - all kind of things have a basis only in> paramatma. Thus,

even Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis i.e. separation of> soul from paramatma (which is illusory only though) and hence> material/spiritual loss depending on the kind of karma involved.> > As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th part of the> consciousness, relatively . Thus, in part, it becomes its> responsibility to guide the affairs of that sign/house towards> fulfillment. You may explore it further.> > It is not always possible for me to answer to your specific queries.> Hopefully, in time, you will discover the truth of your queries.> > best regards,> nitish> > sohamsa@ .com, "tijanadamjanovic" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Nitish,> > Yes, all must serve. The questions raised

in these discussions on Atma> > karakas were on the specific way of serving. > > If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha shastra to serve,> > the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to differentiate? I assume you> > are taking karakatvas of the houses into account also (2nd, 6th, 10th)?> > The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but regarding spirituality> > and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose deepest meaning is> > inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer Vivekananda) . Only in> > that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect King. What artha> > shastra principles you had in mind?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> > > > sohamsa@ .com, "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

wrote:> > >> > > || Om TAT SAT ||> > > Dear Tijana,> > > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > > > mentioning Gita in this context.> > > > > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka 22.> > > > > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen to work. Thus, > > > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has to "serve", all AKs > > > "serve".> > > > > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka?! > > > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta - provided > > > enough effort has been put in.> > > > > > > Are you determing dharma based on this? > > > > > > No, Sun

AK need not be 9th lord.> > > > > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > > > > > Yes. > > > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house. Leo being a dharma > > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through 10th house of > > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should learn principles of > > > artha shastra to serve.> > > > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > > > > > All souls have to "Serve" only as there is nothing else to be done > > > in the three worlds because Krishna has already achieved everything > > > that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer Gita). Those who > > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever be their

AK.> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus> > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish giving by itself).> > > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted > > > Saturn in 9th> > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these?> > > > > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires. Thus, > > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his remaining karma/> > > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no more substance to > > > this than a past-life karmic relationship of the two which continued > > > in this birth also.> > > > > > regards,> > > NITISH> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "tijana" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Nitish,> > > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant if you had just answer> > > > my question.> > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably had in mind > > > mentioning> > > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a> > > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing dharma based on this? Will> > > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra as an example! > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do is serving. > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK in lagna in Dhanus> > > > (extraordinary

combination for unselfish giving by itself). But do > > > you> > > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master had exalted Saturn in 9th> > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why even Swami needed these? > > > > Warm regards,> > > > Tijana> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||> > > > > Dear Tijana,> > > > > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will hardly ever do?> > > > > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts that show what > > > all a > >

> > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects are protected and > > > progress > > > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look at krishna, Janaka and > > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand whatever that "hardly > > > > > ever do" equates to.> > > > > Otherwise, going by your statement, AK wouldn't do anything > > > being > > > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest of the karakas (BK, PiK, > > > Puk, > > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the suit!> > > > > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is "Shiva jnane Jiva Seva" (serving every > > > > > being as the full manifestation of God) that Narendranath > > > received > > > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had

Sun in Aquarius.> > > > > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed peculiar sharpness of > > > > > perception and assimilation that empowered him with unusual power > > > to > > > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of his Master.> > > > > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as compared to others, > > > easily > > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words of Sri Ramakrishna, even > > > though > > > > > the Master told them in simple language (Aq Sun), and never as > > > > > preaching.> > > > > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually Swami > > > Vivekananda > > > > > started assimilating tips and hints on practical Vedanta

that > > > could > > > > > benefit individual and collective life in the society.> > > > > > > > > > > "...For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be in Jupiter`s > > > signs > > > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task..."> > > > > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have done is not wise. Sri > > > Yukteswar > > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and had attained highest level > > > of > > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in Libra, it could be the > > > most > > > > > spiritual person.> > > > > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign over the rest of the > > > signs/> > > > >

planets in the chart and this spiritual power manifests through > > > the > > > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > NITISH> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "tijana" <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those of Raja (karaka for > > > the > > > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in 10th). What is the > > > thing > > > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson that has to be learnt > > > by >

> > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it gives "Shiva jnane > > > Shiva > > > > > > seva" (service of man as God)-the divine lesson given to us by > > > > > Swami > > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual persons Sun as AK should be > > > in > > > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard task.> > > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > > Tijana> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "v reality" <reality_v@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your

reply. Much appreciated.> > > > > > > If I may ask another query re Sun AK. The lesson to be > > > learnt > > > > > for > > > > > > Sun AK, > > > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can this also be understood at a > > > > > > different level > > > > > > > as the effacement of 'self' in a spiritual sense?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > Su> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@>> > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK> > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > > > > >Dear Su> > > > > > > >I would add that with Gu AK person have to be very humble to > > > all > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > >techers and natives, like priests, gurus, teachers. With Ma > > > AK > > > > > > person must > > > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence) , with Ch the native is always > > > very > > > > > > caring, > > > > >

> > >and gives emotions but the problem is that they never get > > > enough > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >themselves from other people. The person must learn lessons > > > also > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > >people represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy / father and > > > > > > everything those > > > > > > > >grahas represent.> > > > > > > >Take few examples of people you know and see it in praxix. > > > Best > > > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > >Bojan> > > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:> > > > >

> > > hraum namah adityaya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Su,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Person should use a lot of glass and sing/hum melodies.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > > > > > email: rafal@> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > v reality napisaÅ‚(a): Dear Rafalji/Members> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is an interesting

discussion. Could we discuss other > > > AKs > > > > > > too. I read> > > > > > > > in an article that natives with Moon as AK need to learn > > > to be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > >caring> > > > > > > > and loving to others. But I know of a chart where the > > > native > > > > > is > > > > > > already > > > > > > > >by> > > > > > > > nature very caring, loving and concerned about others > > > since > > > > > > young. So > > > > > > > >what> > > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt?> > > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > > > Su>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>> > > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > > >sohamsa@ .com> > > > > > > > >Re: Jupiter as AK> > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person should learn to respect others > > > knowledge > > > > > and > > > > > > > >tradition,> > > >

> > > > >should be ready to learn from others. When Ju is in > > > kendra to > > > > > > AK or is > > > > > > > >AK> > > > > > > > >himself then native thinks that he knows everything and > > > now > > > > > He > > > > > > can share> > > > > > > > >His knowledge with everybody. Good teachers of course > > > comes > > > > > from> > > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be naturally in > > > > > > Karakamsa.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >With MA AK person should learn to catalyze energies > > > through > > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI > > > > >

> > >or> > > > > > > > >other techniques, while with JU AK person should learn to > > > be > > > > > > more humble> > > > > > > > >regarding knowledge. Of course person can be focused on > > > > > Jupiter-> > > > > > karakas> > > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its not so easy > > > > > > materially but> > > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good placement > > > from > > > > > AK > > > > > > then it > > > > > > > >can> > > > > > > >

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August 30, 2007

Hello Sharat,

Do you not think that "serving others" comes naturally only to a handful people? There maybe people who want to serve their families; however, that is not selfless service in the true sense of the term. Because we know very well that in happiness and contentment of our families lies our happiness and growth! So it's purely selfish.

P

Sharat <gidocsohamsa Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:23:04 AMRe: Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Sundeep,

Good observations, I was following this thread as well but really found the ' ego ' bit coming in too quickly.

English words cant describe so well ' ahankar ' and ' aham' which are different and I agree that one cannot see this only in Sun AK. However as you say, Sun AK needs to learn to serve others as it does not come naturally to them. And you cant take ' I ' away from them so easily but perhaps if one wants to merge with Paramatma, then the ' I ' will have to merge in to ' Him '.

Best

Sharat

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