Adi-devata worship for upapada- For Supriti/Sharat

August 30, 2007

Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,

Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one

Nov 18 1972

3.35 pm(1535)

Mumbai India

Native is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest

yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?

Thanks

Suchitra

sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Promila,

> Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...

>

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> Promila Chitkara

> sohamsa

> Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Hare Krishna||

>

> Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.

>

> I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:

>

> " Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe

> Vasudevaya Dhimahi

> Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat "

>

> Please let me know if this is the right one.

>

> Sharat <gidoc

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Pramila, Supriti,

> Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having

discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper

on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.

> It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done

for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar

only if there is a graha in the UL.

> So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu

Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of

the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is

there.

> For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married,

you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar

form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> supriti108

> sohamsa@ .com

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM

> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

>

> Dear Pramila:

>

> For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:

> 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to

bring

> your spouse.

> 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to

the 2nd

> from UL for sustenance - Krishna.

>

> Regards

> Supriti

>

> sohamsa@ .com, " promilac " <promilac@ .>

wrote:

> >

> > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming

Rafal!

> >

> > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship

Krishna,

> > have I got it right?

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hare rama krsna*

> > >

> > > Dear Supriti

> > >

> > > Thats correct.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com

> > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl

> > >

> > > supriti108 napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Hi SS,

> > > >

> > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the

vishnu

> avatar

> > of

> > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of

the UL

> lord.

> > > >

> > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to

Vishnu for

> > marriage,

> > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the

natural

> > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to

marry for

> > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for

marriage. Men

> > should

> > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence

they

> > should pray

> > > > to Shakti.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Supriti

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

> > 40. com>,

> > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of

syllables) or

> > general

> > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if

the

> latter

> > has

> > > > no

> > > > > planets in it?

> > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra

Mantra

> wud

> > do or

> > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?

> > > > >

> > > > > Else how is it done?

> > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read

about the

> > same?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx a tonne

> > > > > SS

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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September 6, 2007

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Dear Sarbani,

Very clear and lucid explanation. It clarifies/confirms a lot of

thoughts I had about Ma Lakshmi.

Thank you

Regards

Supriti

sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Sarbaani,

> Thanks for your help, that quite clarifies all issues.

> Regrds

> Sharat

>

> -

> Sarbani Rath

> sohamsa

> Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:56 AM

> RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> Dear Sharat,

>

> My comments below. I am not taking a different approach but 'filling

in the blanks' - in Sanjayji's words - there is a lot of discussion

after class as well, when some of the students hang around. That of

course is not recorded J. Secondly, he tends to assume that the students

would automatically fill in the blanks and understand. But that is not

the case. For eg. He is not going to spell it out that Mars in the 8th

in UL is not conducive for marriage, as he assumes that these basics of

astrology are known to all. Or that in general Indians, would know what

Lakshmi means to marriage and family life ( I am not talking of the

modern Indians who perceive lakshmi with coins flowing from her hands).

Rest below.

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Sharat [gidoc]

> Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:59 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

>

> Dear Sarbani ji,

>

> Let me rephrase this once again for confirmation. I understand this

now as:

>

> 1.UL lord makes the spouse manifest. Worship the avtaar form as per

sex of the native. So not Adhi devta but Avtaar of Vishnu or

Lakshmi/Parwati ( saumya) form. For this lord of UL, it does not matter

where it is posited or whether in any sambandha or if its a

benfic/malefic..the Avtaar form is the highest level of propitiation.

>

> [sarbani Rath] Yes. If you feel the UL is screaming out an avatar form

because of its placement pr conjunction, then please fine tune the exact

form. You don't have to 'force' the fine tuning. Please Lakshmi; always.

Only when you feel, that the concept of Lakshmi may not be comprehended,

then advice Parvati forms.

>

> 2.Look for any planet in UL. Check its strength and nature to see if

it can block or assist in marriage. If benefic and is well located, one

may propitiate its Adhi devta to bring about marriage. If it is a strong

malefic..and badly placed it can block marriage so look for an

appropriate remedy( not under discussion here).

>

> [sarbani Rath] Yes. Again, you don't have to force this remedy. In

addition to the avatar worship, or any other remedy you may prescribe to

bring about a marriage; if you feel, that the planet in the UL needs to

be propitiated, then use the adhi devata.

>

> 3.If the prospective spouse is already there and marriage is not

happening, then look at planets/aspects on UL to see where the problem

is.

>

> [sarbani Rath] Look at other things that is blocking marriage. The 7th

house and its lord; Venus etc. Are they under a terrible curse? Are they

badly afflicted? Is there is a amavasya or a sankranti or a caturdashi

doshas etc.

>

> I hope this is right.

>

> Thanks for your guidance and help.

>

> [sarbani Rath] Welcome.

>

> Best

>

> Sharat

>

-

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> sohamsa

>

> Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:50 AM

>

> RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Sharat,

>

> Yes, its very important to clear these misconceptions, which I have

seen time and again crop up, as often the context is not 'fully'

understood. Remember, I was present in the class and we have had many

discussions on this. So let me 'fill in the blanks''.

>

> Please consider the 4 steps in marriage:

>

> 1. The coming of the spouse.

>

> 2. The confirmation of marriage. The spouse may come but end up being

a fling or an affair and not end up in marriage. In the case of arranged

marriages, initiatives may be taken, there maybe some talk but marriage

may not come through.

>

> 3. The marriage itself

>

> 4. Post marriage including possibility of children etc. and

sustenance.

>

> For bringing the spouse it is Vishnu avatar. It is very easy to

understand this, as in a marriage the bride and the groom are treated as

Vishnu and Lakshmi, and they are ideals that one aspires for, as that is

the highest. After that, if there is a graha in the UL, that graha, as

an outsider, can either block or assist in converting that potential

spouse who has come, into a spouse. This becomes important if that graha

is strong enough to play a role. If it is a highly beneficial planet,

then by all means activate it to assist you to bring about the marriage.

Here we use the adhi devata of the planet. If it is a negative graha, we

obviously don't activate it. If I see in a chart, that too a female one,

that Mars is in the 8th house, my basic knowledge of astrology tells me

that its an extremely bad position for Mangal as far as marriage is

concerned. Mars is surely going to block and obstruct the marriage.

>

> It is blasphemy to associate Lakshmi with greed. In fact Lakshmi, does

not have much to do with money. She is Sri personified in every sense

and prosperity is just one angle. Lakshmi is the very symbol of marriage

and is worshipped in every household by married women and without her

blessings no one can get married. This is common knowledge. However, in

India, it has become a fad to differentiate the forms of Lakshmi, such

as Dhana Lakshmi and associate her with the begetting of money and

wealth. That is why Sanjayji was emphatic to make that statement in Atri

class and advised that it better to advise the worship of the form of

the goddess as a mother, as at least she will be perceived as a mother.

This is far more preferable then viewing one's wife from the angle of

monetary gains. And given the current and common perception of Lakshmi,

it is very likely that people would make this error of judgement. Hence

the advise of parvati was suggested.

>

> Sharat [gidoc]

> Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:29 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

>

> Dear Sarbani ji,

>

> I am not confusd but just following Sanjay ji verbatim as he taught in

his Upapada class, I have gone through this many times and Visti also

agreed after I pointed out the class where this was taught. Ajay 's

translation which is verbatim also shows the same teaching nd has been

referred to in another mail in this thread.

>

> This is an important aspect in our understanding hence needs

clarification. Regarding Lakshmi ji, he did say about the aspect of

greed. Based on this teaching I had written a short paper on thisaspect

of UL which Visti ji had very kindly gone through but I havent yet

uploaded it, as I wanted further clarification from Sanjay ji.

>

> Thanks for your patience.

>

> Best

>

> Sharat

>

> -

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> sohamsa

>

> Saturday, September 01, 2007 6:04 AM

>

> RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Sharat,

>

> I think you are getting confused between general bhava analysis and UL

and other arudha analysis. General bhava analysis entails that you look

at a planet placed in a bhava and then look at the lord. While for

Upapada and other arudhas, we are actually looking at the house itself.

Hence we take the lord. This is Sanjayji's teaching.

>

> Can you please give us a reference where he has mentioned " Lakshmi is

for greed? " I never knew that Lakshmi had anything to do with greed.

Kubera, yes. Without Lakshmi there can be no marriage.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> Sharat [gidoc]

> Saturday, September 01, 2007 3:02 AM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

>

> Dear Sarbani ji,

>

> My apologies but this appears in contradiction to what Sanjay ji has

taught. I have gone over this many times and have also discussed it with

Visti.

>

> Sanjay ji says for the spouse to manifest, look at UL, if there is a

planet take the planet, if no planet only THEN take the lord. For the

planet he says to worship the deity as Vishnu avtaar and Parwati

swaroop, not like Lakshmi as that can be the reason for greed but as

Shakti form of Mahavidya. He goes on to say that it is not Shiva and

Lakshmi forms but Vishnu and Parwati swaroop.

>

> Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Sharat

>

> -

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> sohamsa

>

> Friday, August 31, 2007 4:20 PM

>

> RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Sharat,

>

> The rule is we take the lord of the Upapada. Not the planet in it. The

lord is the person, as we are treating the house as Upapada. Another

planet is the lord of another house, and hence is 'someone else' in the

Upapada. Women worship Vishnu rupa and men worship lakshmi/devi rupa.

You will be fully aware, that in a marriage, the bride and the groom are

akin to Vishnu and Lakshmi and they are depicted as the ideals that one

seeks in a marriage. At least Hindu marriages! The deity one is

worshipping to manifest a spouse is very important. Now what would

happen if you worshipped Ugra Chandi to manifest your spouse J? For the

sustenance of the marriage, you take the lord of the 2nd house from the

Upapada.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

> Sharat [gidoc]

> Friday, August 31, 2007 8:34 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

>

> Dear Sarbani ji,

>

> Mangal is in UL, so why should we not take Lord Narsimha, to make the

spouse manifest?

>

> Thanks

>

> Best

>

> Sharat

>

> -

>

> Sarbani Rath

>

> sohamsa

>

> Friday, August 31, 2007 3:59 PM

>

> RE: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Suchitra,

>

> The native (female) should worship the Vishnu rupa of the lord of the

UL. In this case Rishikesha.

>

> Sarbani

>

> -

>

> suchitra_kamath

>

> sohamsa

>

> Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:51 PM

>

> Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada- For

Supriti/Sharat

>

> Namaskar Supriti/Sharat,

>

> Please suggest the Adi Devta for this one

>

> Nov 18 1972

>

> 3.35 pm(1535)

>

> Mumbai India

>

> Native is female. Here UL lord is debilitated.Spouse is not manifest

> yet/ WHich Adi Devta is to be worshipped for Venus?

>

> Thanks

> Suchitra

>

> sohamsa , " Sharat " gidoc@ wrote:

> >

> > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > Dear Promila,

> > Look for the Vishnu Gayatri from Rig Veda 1:22:20; Tad Vishno...

> >

> > Best

> > Sharat

> >

> > -

> > Promila Chitkara

> > sohamsa

> > Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:43 AM

> > Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

> >

> > ||Hare Krishna||

> >

> > Thanks a lot Supriti and Sharat.

> >

> > I found the following Vishnu Mantra on the Web:

> >

> > " Om Narayanaya Vidhmahe

> > Vasudevaya Dhimahi

> > Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat "

> >

> > Please let me know if this is the right one.

> >

> > Sharat gidoc@

> > sohamsa

> > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48:32 PM

> > Re: Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

> >

> > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > Dear Pramila, Supriti,

> > Let me re-emphasize this as per Sanjay ji's teachings and having

> discussed this with Guru Visti as well. I had written a short paper

> on this which I havent uploaded to the files section.

> > It is recommended that Adi devta worship of Lord of UL be done

> for the spouse to manifest in your life. Sanjay ji talks of Avtaar

> only if there is a graha in the UL.

> > So for Gemini UL, it will be worship of Lord Vishnu as Vishnu

> Gayatri on a Wednesday, for the spouse to manifest irrespective of

> the sex of the native. Use Avtaar/Mahavidya form only if a graha is

> there.

> > For sustenance of marriage, in those who are already married,

> you fast on the vara lord day of the UL and pray to the Avtaar

> form/Dasamahavidya form of the lord of second from UL.

> > Best

> > Sharat

> >

> > -

> > supriti108

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:06 PM

> > Re: Adi-devata worship for upapada

> >

> > Dear Pramila:

> >

> > For Gemini UL, I think the answer is:

> > 1. If unmarried then pray to Vamana avatar (Dharma Gayatri) to

> bring

> > your spouse.

> > 2. If married, then one should pray to the avatar related to

> the 2nd

> > from UL for sustenance - Krishna.

> >

> > Regards

> > Supriti

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, " promilac " <promilac@ .>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > This was a very good point Supriti! Thanks for confirming

> Rafal!

> > >

> > > So going by this point, a woman with Gemini UL can worship

> Krishna,

> > > have I got it right?

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *hare rama krsna*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Supriti

> > > >

> > > > Thats correct.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Consultations & Articles: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa. fora.pl

> > > >

> > > > supriti108 napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi SS,

> > > > >

> > > > > Based on my understanding, women should pray to the

> vishnu

> > avatar

> > > of

> > > > > the UL lord and men should pray to the shakti roop of

> the UL

> > lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > The logic as I have heard is, women should pray to

> Vishnu for

> > > marriage,

> > > > > because Vishnu is the God of sustenance and Men are the

> natural

> > > > > providers and protectors. But it is adharma for Men to

> marry for

> > > > > money, hence they should not pray to Lakshmi for

> marriage. Men

> > > should

> > > > > look for a good mother and educator in a spouse, hence

> they

> > > should pray

> > > > > to Shakti.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Supriti

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%

> > > 40. com>,

> > > > > " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are any specific (involving specific number of

> syllables) or

> > > general

> > > > > > mantras used for worshipping the Adi-devata of UL if

> the

> > latter

> > > has

> > > > > no

> > > > > > planets in it?

> > > > > > e.g. if UL is in Sg with no planets, a general Indra

> Mantra

> > wud

> > > do or

> > > > > > does it req. specific syllable count?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Else how is it done?

> > > > > > Or can anyone point a book-source where i can read

> about the

> > > same?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanx a tonne

> > > > > > SS

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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December 18, 2007

Namah Shivaya

Dear Pranav,

It really depends where Mars is placed and how benefic it is. It may

signify the person bringing the spouse.

If you need propitiation for spouse to manifest then study the UL more

carefully to look for guidance. I see no reason why Lord Narsimha could

not be worshipped, if indeed you find Mars is well placed and

beneficial.

Best

Sharat

sohamsa , Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51 wrote:

>

> !Jaya Jagannath!

>

> Dear Sarbani ji, Sharat ji and other learneds, Namaskar!

>

> Thank you for clarifying the finer points of Sanjay ji's lecture.

>

> What is the Vishnu avtar in case Mars happens to be the planet

bringing the spouse? Since we have ruled out Shri Narsimha (ugra form).

>

> Please let me know when you get a moment.

>

> Warm regards,

> Pranav

December 19, 2007

Namah Shivaya

Dear Pranav,

Mars in 8th and lord of UL will delay marriage hence one needs to look at other benefic aspects onUL,7H/7L both in Rasi and Navamsa.

Mars in this position may need praying to Shiva, however one needs to see its rasi sign as well.

Best

Sharat

sohamsa , Pranav Gupta <sushmagupta51 wrote:>> !Jaya Jagannath!> > Dear Sharat, Namaskar!> > Thank you for the email!> > I have a couple of example charts, most recent one with UL in Aries no planets and Mars in 8H in Leo. As per Sanajy ji's lecture for spouse to manifest worship Vishnu avtar of Mars (Lord Narsimha dev) , however, since it is an ugra form so what do you do?> > Alternative might be Lord Rama ( Mars in Aries) but that doesnt sound logical.> > I will appreciate your thoughts on this.> > Thanks and regards,> Pranav> > Sharat gidoc wrote:> > Namah Shivaya> > Dear Pranav,> > It really depends where Mars is placed and how benefic it is. It may> signify the person bringing the spouse.> > If you need propitiation for spouse to manifest then study the UL more> carefully to look for guidance. I see no reason why Lord Narsimha could> not be worshipped, if indeed you find Mars is well placed and> beneficial.> > Best> > Sharat> > sohamsa , Pranav Gupta sushmagupta51@ wrote:> >> > !Jaya Jagannath!> >> > Dear Sarbani ji, Sharat ji and other learneds, Namaskar!> >> > Thank you for clarifying the finer points of Sanjay ji's lecture.> >> > What is the Vishnu avtar in case Mars happens to be the planet> bringing the spouse? Since we have ruled out Shri Narsimha (ugra form).> >> > Please let me know when you get a moment.> >> > Warm regards,> > Pranav>