Jupiter as AK (to Visti, Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

August 31, 2007

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Thank you for your reply.

Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like saying that Rahu is Durga.

Using that equation we could say that Aditya, Shiva and Agni are all

Surya... Taking a line from your mail we are actually saying that

Vishnu being an aditya is Surya? Obviously both of us know better than

that.

See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and this corresponds to the

nakshatras. The grahas through their transit of the nakshatras are

actually eclipsing them and thus certain forms of devatas come as

indicating by 1) the graha eclipsing. 2) the nakshatra it eclipses.

Since nakshatras are the basis of the rasi chart, we can find based on

the state of a graha the actual devata represented by it. But its only

a representation as the Grahas themselves are not devatas.

The graha which 'represents' the bondage of ahamkara is Surya, just

as the graha representing the bondage of the mind is Moon. And among

those born with Surya as atmakaraka we have grades of those being fully

engrossed in ahamkara vs. having complete control of ahamkara. Divine

souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Sri Krishna being

at one end of the scale. With fellows like Donald Trump, Adolph Hitler

(exalted surya yuti AK) and others at the other end of the scale.

Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there are EIGHT ways to look

at God through which we can be freed. For the Ahamkara we must look at

God as Paramatman. This is the remedy itself. And the specific form of

Shiva who will help us realize this is Ishana for the Sun.

So please don't make the equation that everyone with Surya

atmakaraka is Paramatman. That would be quite delusional indeed...

Infact the concept of Paramatma is the means to which the Surya

atmakaraka will be freed of his/her ahamkara.

Looking forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT||

Dear Visti,

How do you prove that Ahamkara is represented by Surya ? Either you

mean to say that Lord Krishna represents Ahamkara going by Gita

Chapter 10 verse 21:

"Of the tweleve adityas I am vishnu, of all luminaries the radiant

Sun , of the seven Maruts I am marichi, and of the constellations I am

the Moon."

Are you saying that Sura/Surya group of planets are lead by Surya as

Ahamkara?

Are you saying that the Vedas adoring Surya Narayan as a witness of

all actions (Sakshi) is an individuality creating Ahamkara Principle

and not an impersonal transcendental intelligence principle?

Please explain why Surya as Ahamkara should be referred to as

Paramatma, the soul of all and `Jagadaikha chakshusay', the eye of the

three worlds?

regards,

nitish

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear List, Namaskar

> Why hasn't anyone started talking about the eight bondages of the

atma?

> Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti (rahu), Akasha (guru),

Agni

> (mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and Prithvi (budha).

>

> And how these eight bondages map into the eight spokes of the kala

> chakra, which are simultaneously the eight spokes of the anahata

chakra.

>

> Really any talk on the atma and its EIGHT karakas is futile

without any

> of this.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Promila Chitkara wrote:

> > Hello Sharat,

> >

> > Do you not think that "serving others" comes naturally only

to a

> > handful people? There maybe people who want to serve their

families;

> > however, that is not selfless service in the true sense of

the term.

> > Because we know very well that in happiness and contentment

of our

> > families lies our happiness and growth! So it's purely

selfish.

> >

> > P

> >

> > Sharat <gidoc

> > sohamsa

> > Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:23:04 AM

> > Re: Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish

and

> > v_reality)

> >

> > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > Dear Sundeep,

> > Good observations, I was following this thread as well but

really

> > found the ' ego ' bit coming in too quickly.

> > English words cant describe so well ' ahankar ' and ' aham'

which are

> > different and I agree that one cannot see this only in Sun AK.

However

> > as you say, Sun AK needs to learn to serve others as it does

not come

> > naturally to them. And you cant take ' I ' away from them so

easily

> > but perhaps if one wants to merge with Paramatma, then the '

I '

will

> > have to merge in to ' Him '.

> >

> > Best

> > Sharat

> >

> > -

> > ** vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent

> > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa >

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:56 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish

and

> > v_reality)

> >

> > Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,

> >

> > I have been reading your exchange with interest in the hope of

> > learning something new, but I find myself disagreeing subtly

in the

> > essence of what you say. In fact, deep down in the exchange I

find

> > this statement made by "v_reality" which makes a lot of sense

to me:

> > "Can this also be understood at a different level as the

effacement

> > of 'self' in a spiritual sense?".

> >

> > Here is my take - I have none of the scriptural knowledge you

both

> > have, only I have seen several Sun AK people: I dont think it

is

> > fair to say that Sun AK people are egotistic. See, English

also has

> > a lot of words which have subtly different meanings, and the

right

> > one has to be used. An egotistic person is one who has a

exaggerated

> > sense of self-importance. Almost everyone in this world has

that

> > (and you are fooling yourself if you deny it), it is plain

wrong to

> > observe a person have Sun AK and simultaneously observe that

he also

> > has an exaggerated sense of self importance and say "yes,

that is

> > what the Sun AK does to him". I can cite hundreds of people I

know

> > who are very self important and DONT have Sun AK, and not only

that

> > may not even have a strong Sun in their chart.

> >

> > I personally think the only statement that can be observed

> > repeatedly with Sun AK people is that they are egocentric i.e.

their

> > view of the world is based on the individual rather than the

> > society. They may or may not be egotistical (i.e.

egocentricity does

> > not imply self importance) - the AK simply makes them go

through

> > experiences in life such that their core self is tested. How

they

> > respond to it depends probably on lots of other astrological

> > factors. The only statement I can safely make, based on pure

> > experience, is that Sun AK people are guided to divinity

through

> > experiences of the self, consequently their view is

egocentric.

> >

> > I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I can share her data)

who was

> > molested (by her own professor) and denied a higher degree

that she

> > worked hard for, then get married and then divorced, then

have her

> > mom die of cancer in a rather painful way, then have her

brother get

> > divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then leave her too), then

(she) get

> > married again and her husband develop terminal cancer very

soon

> > afterward. Net result: she cant seem to find a strong and

consistent

> > support outside of herself - she has become self reliant and

only

> > finds consistent happiness in meditation/reiki. She is

probably

> > egotistical in some degree too, but not in any outstanding

way at

> > all, and probably much less than all the people around her..

> >

> > Consequently, I really dispute the fact that Sun AK people

must

> > learn to "reduce their ego". That is simply a general lesson

for all

> > of mankind. Sun AK people's AK will guide them towards

divinity

> > through experiences that make them focus on themselves and

search

> > for the truth: now that's the statement I find much more to

the

> > point.

> >

> > Comments?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>, nix nixen

<nix_nixen@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > Dear Nitish,

> > > Only from one simple statement of yours "It is not always

> > possible for me..." i read that your AK must be nothing less

than

> > Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the right way of

> > finding answers on my queries.

> > > Warm regards,

> > > Tijana

> > >

> > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> wrote:

> > > Dear Tijana,

> > > Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma -

deep/shallow,

> > > material/spiritual - all kind of things have a basis

only in

> > > paramatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis i.e.

separation

> > of

> > > soul from paramatma (which is illusory only though) and

hence

> > > material/spiritual loss depending on the kind of karma

involved.

> > >

> > > As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th part of the

> > > consciousness, relatively . Thus, in part, it becomes

its

> > > responsibility to guide the affairs of that sign/house

towards

> > > fulfillment. You may explore it further.

> > >

> > > It is not always possible for me to answer to your

specific

> > queries.

> > > Hopefully, in time, you will discover the truth of your

queries.

> > >

> > > best regards,

> > > nitish

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijanadamjanovic"

<nix_nixen@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > Yes, all must serve. The questions raised in these

discussions

> > on Atma

> > > > karakas were on the specific way of serving.

> > > > If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha

shastra to

> > serve,

> > > > the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to

differentiate? I

assume

> > you

> > > > are taking karakatvas of the houses into account

also

(2nd, 6th,

> > 10th)?

> > > > The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but

regarding

> > spirituality

> > > > and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose

deepest

meaning

> > is

> > > > inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer

Vivekananda) .

> > Only in

> > > > that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect

King. What

artha

> > > > shastra principles you had in mind?

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > Tijana

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

"yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > >

> > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you

probably had in

mind

> > > > > > mentioning Gita in this context.

> > > > >

> > > > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter

3,sloka 22.

> > > > >

> > > > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has

chosen to work.

> > Thus,

> > > > > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has

to

"serve", all

> > AKs

> > > > > "serve".

> > > > >

> > > > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a

person akin to

> > Janaka?!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka -

jivanmukta -

> > provided

> > > > > enough effort has been put in.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Are you determing dharma based on this?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take

Dhartharastra as an

> > example!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > > The attitude of service is seen from 6th

house. Leo being a

> > dharma

> > > > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service

through 10th

> > house of

> > > > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK

should learn

> > principles of

> > > > > artha shastra to serve.

> > > > >

> > > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do

is serving.

> > > > >

> > > > > All souls have to "Serve" only as there is

nothing else

to be

> > done

> > > > > in the three worlds because Krishna has

already achieved

> > everything

> > > > > that is there to achieve in the three

worlds(refer Gita).

> > Those who

> > > > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve,

whatever be

their

> > AK.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was

Sun AK in

lagna in

> > Dhanus

> > > > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish

giving by

itself).

> > > > > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that

His Master had

> > exalted

> > > > > Saturn in 9th

> > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why

even Swami

needed

> > these?

> > > > >

> > > > > One is not re-born after exhausting his

karma/desires. Thus,

> > > > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust

his remaining

> > karma/

> > > > > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is

no more

substance

> > to

> > > > > this than a past-life karmic relationship of

the two which

> > continued

> > > > > in this birth also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > NITISH

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>, "tijana"

<nix_nixen@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > Your elaboration would be even more

brilliant if you had

> > just answer

> > > > > > my question.

> > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you

probably had in

mind

> > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > Gita in this context. But, are you

implying that Sun AK

> > gives a

> > > > > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing

dharma based on

> > this? Will

> > > > > > you advise Sun AK people to take

Dhartharastra as an

> > example!

> > > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do

is serving.

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was

Sun AK in

lagna in

> > Dhanus

> > > > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish

giving by

itself).

> > But do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master

had exalted

Saturn

> > in 9th

> > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why

even Swami

needed

> > these?

> > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

"yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||

> > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja

will hardly ever do?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and

ancient texts that show

> > what

> > > > > all a

> > > > > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his

subjects are protected

> > and

> > > > > progress

> > > > > > > on the upward evolutionary path.

Look at krishna, Janaka

> > and

> > > > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will

understand whatever

> > that "hardly

> > > > > > > ever do" equates to.

> > > > > > > Otherwise, going by your statement,

AK wouldn't do

> > anything

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > the king of the horoscope and the

rest of the

karakas (BK,

> > PiK,

> > > > > Puk,

> > > > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow

the suit!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is "Shiva jnane

Jiva Seva" (serving

> > every

> > > > > > > being as the full manifestation of

God) that

Narendranath

> > > > > received

> > > > > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had

Sun in Aquarius.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had

developed peculiar

sharpness

> > of

> > > > > > > perception and assimilation that

empowered him with

> > unusual power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of

his Master.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could,

as compared to

others,

> > > > > easily

> > > > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words

of Sri Ramakrishna,

> > even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > the Master told them in simple

language (Aq Sun), and

> > never as

> > > > > > > preaching.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in

Libra, gradually Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda

> > > > > > > started assimilating tips and hints

on practical Vedanta

> > that

> > > > > could

> > > > > > > benefit individual and collective

life in the society.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "...For spiritual persons Sun

as AK should be in

> > Jupiter`s

> > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise

it`s very hard task..."

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have

done is not

wise. Sri

> > > > > Yukteswar

> > > > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and

had attained

highest

> > level

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is

placed in Libra, it

could

> > be the

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > spiritual person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a

sign over the rest of

> > the

> > > > > signs/

> > > > > > > planets in the chart and this

spiritual power manifests

> > through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dispositor of AK and its sign

placement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>, "tijana"

<nix_nixen@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities

are those of Raja

(karaka

> > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first house, lord of the 5th,

dig bala in 10th).

What is

> > the

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do?

The lesson that has

to be

> > learnt

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the

highest sence it gives

"Shiva

> > jnane

> > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > seva" (service of man as

God)-the divine lesson

given to

> > us by

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For

spiritual persons Sun as AK

> > should be

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva

jnane...), otherwise it`s very

> > hard task.

> > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>, "v

reality" <reality_v@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.

Much appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > If I may ask another query

re Sun AK. The lesson

to be

> > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Sun AK,

> > > > > > > > > is the reduction of ego.

Can this also be understood

> > at a

> > > > > > > > different level

> > > > > > > > > as the effacement of

'self' in a spiritual sense?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic

<janbovid@>

> > > > > > > > > >

sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > >To:

sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > >Re:

Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007

08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > > > > > > > > >Dear Su

> > > > > > > > > >I would add that with

Gu AK person have to be very

> > humble to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > >techers and natives,

like priests, gurus, teachers.

> > With Ma

> > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > person must

> > > > > > > > > >practise Ahumsa

(nonviolence) , with Ch the

native is

> > always

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > caring,

> > > > > > > > > >and gives emotions but

the problem is that they

never

> > get

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >themselves from other

people. The person must learn

> > lessons

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > >people represented

with AK. Ch / mother, Sy /

father

> > and

> > > > > > > > everything those

> > > > > > > > > >grahas represent.

> > > > > > > > > >Take few examples of

people you know and see it in

> > praxix.

> > > > > Best

> > > > > > > > wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >Bojan

> > > > > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Person should use a

lot of glass and sing/hum

> > melodies.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center

Guru

> > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages:

www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > v reality

napisaÅ‚(a): Dear Rafalji/Members

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is an

interesting discussion. Could we

discuss

> > other

> > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > too. I read

> > > > > > > > > > in an article that

natives with Moon as AK need to

> > learn

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > >caring

> > > > > > > > > > and loving to others.

But I know of a chart where

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > >by

> > > > > > > > > > nature very caring,

loving and concerned about

> > others

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > > young. So

> > > > > > > > > >what

> > > > > > > > > > is the lesson to be

learnt?

> > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Rafal

Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > > > >

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > >To:

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > >Re:

Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug

2007 10:24:14 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah

adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person

should learn to respect others

> > > > > knowledge

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> > > > > > > > > > >should be ready

to learn from others. When Ju

is in

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> > and

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with everybody. Good teachers of

> > course

> > > > > comes

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> > > > > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter-

Natives, as this graha will be

> > naturally in

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >With MA AK person

should learn to catalyze

energies

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> > > > > > > > > >or

> > > > > > > > > > >other techniques,

while with JU AK person should

> > learn to

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> > > > > > > > > > >regarding

knowledge. Of course person can be

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> > > > > > > Jupiter-

> > > > > > > > karakas

> > > > > > > > > > >like kids,

spirituality, law, luck etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK

brings lesson to us so its not so

> > easy

> > > > > > > > materially but

> > > > > > > > > > >inspiring

spiritually, so if Surya is in good

> > placement

> > > > > from

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person is spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath

Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >email:

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> > > > > > > > > > >Jyotish pages:

www.rohinaa. com

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napisa?(a):

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some light on Jupiter as

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> > > > > > > > > > >>

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September 1, 2007

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Thank you for this mail.

I will be answering the main points of your mail. The main points being

the foundation of the facts/statements you present.

You wrote:

So lets begin with Eightfold-Prakriti of Krishna, your reference

point itself is incorrect. Gita Chapter 7 sloka 4 states:...

I cannot disagree, as i had wrongly written prakriti instead of

buddhi. Siva purana confirms this:

Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,4

Prakriti comprises of buddhi, ahamkara, gunaatmaka and

panchatanmatra. All these combined are called Prakriti.

You wrote:

Neither the five tattwas, Buddhi nor Manah can be assigned to Rahu

and thus Ahamkara is the only thing that can logically be assigned to

Rahu. So the correct version of eightfold representation of Prakriti

is:...

Mana and Buddhi can indeed both be attributed to Rahu, as Rahu is

well known to show the desires of the mind. Here the Parampara comes to

our help and specifically defines Buddhi to be assigned to Rahu,

whereas Mana and Ahamkara have been assigned to Moon and Sun

respectively. So why does Sun represent Ahamkara?

aham = self. kaara=causative/doer. The cause of self in other words.

Monier Williams translates this as:

m. conception of one's individuality , self-consciousness ChUp.

& c.

the making of self , thinking of self , egotism MBh. & c.

Where Rahu caused the desire which led to rebirth, it is a given

that the Sun is the actual creator of everything, and with that

creation the ahamkaara is one of the negative effects of the same. But

this is just my justification the traditions teachings.

You wrote:

There is ONLY ONE bondage and not Eight of them. Ahamkara doesn't

cause bondage of atma as you have written, but Karma alone causes

bondage of atma, and is not a part of eightfold-prakriti referred

above. Refer Gita Chapter 2 verse 39 as follows:

The sloka you qoute is right, but your inference... Heres what Siva

Purana says:

Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,2

Because of remaining in eight types of bandhana, the soul is called Jeeva.

When a person is freed from these bondages, the person is called Mukta.

Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,3

Emancipation is the control of these bondages of prakriti etc. One

trapped in these is called Jeeva, and one freed from them is

called Mukta.

Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,4

Prakriti comprises of buddhi, ahamkara, gunaatmaka and

panchatanmatra. All these combined are called Prakriti.

Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,5

These eight bondages are the body. The activities of this body are

called the karmas.

Later in sloka 8 Suta explains that due to karmas the soul is bound

by these eight bondages. So these are indeed the bondages and they are

created due to Karma. The issue being that the bondages themselves can

lead one to recreate the same karma again and again, just as one desire

leads to a thousand more.

You wrote:

ParamAtma is a collective of all the atmas. Concept of Chara

karakas is only indicative of the separate identity (Ahamkara) of

soul in the realm of relationships - led by the AK as a king leads a

kingdom. So AK has the job of understanding the realm of

relationships with other atmas and thereby help the attainment of

individuals' understanding of ParamAtma.

Yes, once Sun atmakaraka's understand this within themselves, they

should teach it to others.

Looking forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| Om TAT SAT ||

Dear Visti,

Thanks for a good mail.

> Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like saying that Rahu is Durga.

How are you so sure about it? The question still remains unanswered

i.e. how do you prove that Surya represents Ahamkara?

> The graha which 'represents' the bondage of ahamkara is Surya.

This brings up another question: i.e. if there is a bondage of

Ahamkara at all?

Ahamkar is referred in Gita chapter 3, verse 27 as follows:

"All activities are being enacted by the senses of the (Prakriti)

material nature without exception; but the unrealized, deluded by

(AhamKara) false identification of being the body, thus thinks: "I am

the doer"

> Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti (rahu), Akasha(guru),

> Agni(mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and Prithvi (budha)

So lets begin with Eightfold-Prakriti of Krishna, your reference

point itself is incorrect. Gita Chapter 7 sloka 4 states:

"Earth, water, fire, air, ether, Manah, Buddhi, and Ahamkara; thus

these are the eightfold divisions of my Prakriti."

Neither the five tattwas, Buddhi nor Manah can be assigned to Rahu

and thus Ahamkara is the only thing that can logically be assigned to

Rahu. So the correct version of eightfold representation of Prakriti

is:

Buddhi (surya), Manah (chandra), Ahamkara (rahu), Akasha(guru),

Agni(mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and Prithvi (budha)

> Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there are EIGHT ways to

look

> at God through which we can be freed. For the Ahamkara we must

> look at God as Paramatman.

There is ONLY ONE bondage and not Eight of them. Ahamkara doesn't

cause bondage of atma as you have written, but Karma alone causes

bondage of atma, and is not a part of eightfold-prakriti referred

above. Refer Gita Chapter 2 verse 39 as follows:

"O Arjuna! What has been declared to you this spiritual intelligence

(Buddhih) according to the Samkhya (the path of knowledge). Now

listen to the teaching of Yoga (the path of selfless action combined

with devotion) by practising which the bondage of Karma is overcome."

Also, Chapter 3 verse 9 verifies that Karma causes bondage:

"O son of Kunti! In this world all actions, unless they are done as

an offering to God (or as Yajna), become causes of bondage.

Therefore, work for the sake of God without personal attachments."

Chapter 3 verse 31 cross-verfies it as follows:

"Whoever follow this teaching of mine, with their minds full of faith

and free from disparagement, they also are released from the bondage

of reactions from Actions (Karma)."

That liberation is attained by knowing the correct way of acting is

given in Chapter 4 verse 16:

"What is (karma) action and what is (akarma) 'non-action', is a

subject regarding which even the wise are perplexed. I shall

therefore speak to you about (Karma)work, by knowing which one is

liberated from evil (or the life of bondage in Samsara)"

The reason for liberation is written as Chapter 5 verse 3:

"It should be known, O mighty-armed one! That one who neither

disdains nor desires fruits of actions, should be known as one

established in renunciation. Certainly, that person being free from

all dualities is easily liberated from bondage."

> For the Ahamkara we must look at God as Paramatman. This is the

> remedy itself. And the specific form of Shiva

> who will help us realize this is Ishana for the Sun.

Please understand that Ahamkara is not a disease that we look for

remedies to it. It is the eightfold prakriti of Krishna. Otherwise,

mind, buddhi, and pancha-tattwas will also need to be remedied.

> And among those born with Surya as atmakaraka we have grades of

> those being fully engrossed in ahamkara vs. having complete

control

> of ahamkara.

I am not sure what you mean by complete control of Ahamkara,

because one who has complete control of his manas and has buddhi

devoted to Krishna - realizes his divine nature of "AhamBrahmaAsmi"

and gets freed from the bondage of Karma.

> Divine souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna

> Paramahamsa and Sri Krishna being at one end of the scale. With

> fellows like Donald Trump, Adolph Hitler (exalted surya yuti AK)

>and others at the other end of the scale.

Liberation is caused by the development of divine/demoniac nature,

Chapter 16 Verse 5:

"The divine nature is considered the cause of liberation and the

demoniac nature the cause of bondage. Grieve not, O son of Pandu! You

are born of the divine nature."

> So please don't make the equation that everyone with Surya

> atmakaraka is Paramatman. That would be quite delusional indeed...

Even as paramatman is Omnipresent, it is not possible to say that

any mortal being is apart from paramatman, whether it be Surya AK in

a specific context. In any case, no such equation about

Atmakaraka and Paramatma has been made by me.

The only question asked is about how "Surya" represents Ahamkara,

devoid of any Chara Karaka Status whatsoever. You should have read my

mail more thoroughly to have not missed the point that was being made.

ParamAtma is a collective of all the atmas. Concept of Chara

karakas is only indicative of the separate identity (Ahamkara) of

soul in the realm of relationships - led by the AK as a king leads a

kingdom. So AK has the job of understanding the realm of

relationships with other atmas and thereby help the attainment of

individuals' understanding of ParamAtma.

Finally, about the points you made:

As proved earlier, Surya as representing Buddhi of the eight-fold

Prakriti of Krishna - is referred to as ParamAtma in a chart by

Jyotish Texts, whatever be the Chara AtmaKaraka. That Buddhi/

intelligence in creatures is Krishna is verified by Gita Chapter 10,

sloka 22:

"Of the Vedas, I am the Sama Veda; among the Devas, I am Indra; of

the senses, I am the mind; and in living beings, I am intelligence."

> See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and this corresponds to the

> nakshatras.

Jyotish tells that constellations are overlorded by luminary Moon

and Moon derives its luminosity from Sun. Therefore, as a consequence

the concept of devatas associated with the swarga of constellations

is derived from the luminosity of the radiant Sun and any spiritual

blessings obtained by worshipping devatas of Swarga loka are easily

obtained by worshipping Sun as Paramatma.

> Using that equation we could say that Aditya, Shiva and Agni are

> all Surya... Taking a line from your mail we are actually saying

> that Vishnu being an aditya is Surya?

Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests as multitude of

Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see him

aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions

respectively.

> Obviously both of us know better than that.

Now we do.

regards,

nitish

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Nitish, Namaskar

> Thank you for your reply.

> Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like saying that Rahu is

Durga.

> Using that equation we could say that Aditya, Shiva and Agni are

all

> Surya... Taking a line from your mail we are actually saying that

Vishnu

> being an aditya is Surya? Obviously both of us know better than

that.

>

> See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and this corresponds to the

> nakshatras. The grahas through their transit of the nakshatras are

> actually eclipsing them and thus certain forms of devatas come as

> indicating by 1) the graha eclipsing. 2) the nakshatra it

eclipses.

> Since nakshatras are the basis of the rasi chart, we can find

based

on

> the state of a graha the actual devata represented by it. But its

only a

> representation as the Grahas themselves are not devatas.

>

> The graha which 'represents' the bondage of ahamkara is Surya,

just

as

> the graha representing the bondage of the mind is Moon. And among

those

> born with Surya as atmakaraka we have grades of those being fully

> engrossed in ahamkara vs. having complete control of ahamkara.

Divine

> souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Sri Krishna

being at

> one end of the scale. With fellows like Donald Trump, Adolph

Hitler

> (exalted surya yuti AK) and others at the other end of the scale.

>

> Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there are EIGHT ways to

look

at

> God through which we can be freed. For the Ahamkara we must look

at

God

> as Paramatman. This is the remedy itself. And the specific form of

Shiva

> who will help us realize this is Ishana for the Sun.

>

> So please don't make the equation that everyone with Surya

atmakaraka is

> Paramatman. That would be quite delusional indeed... Infact the

concept

> of Paramatma is the means to which the Surya atmakaraka will be

freed of

> his/her ahamkara.

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://

srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> >

> > || OM TAT SAT||

> > Dear Visti,

> > How do you prove that Ahamkara is represented by Surya ?

Either

you

> > mean to say that Lord Krishna represents Ahamkara going by

Gita

> > Chapter 10 verse 21:

> >

> > "Of the tweleve adityas I am vishnu, of all luminaries the

radiant

> > Sun , of the seven Maruts I am marichi, and of the

constellations

I am

> > the Moon."

> >

> > Are you saying that Sura/Surya group of planets are lead by

Surya

as

> > Ahamkara?

> >

> > Are you saying that the Vedas adoring Surya Narayan as a

witness

of

> > all actions (Sakshi) is an individuality creating Ahamkara

Principle

> > and not an impersonal transcendental intelligence principle?

> >

> > Please explain why Surya as Ahamkara should be referred to as

> > Paramatma, the soul of all and `Jagadaikha chakshusay', the

eye

of the

> > three worlds?

> >

> > regards,

> > nitish

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear List, Namaskar

> > > Why hasn't anyone started talking about the eight

bondages of

the atma?

> > > Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti (rahu),

Akasha

(guru), Agni

> > > (mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and Prithvi

(budha).

> > >

> > > And how these eight bondages map into the eight spokes

of the

kala

> > > chakra, which are simultaneously the eight spokes of the

anahata chakra.

> > >

> > > Really any talk on the atma and its EIGHT karakas is

futile

without any

> > > of this.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>

> > > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > Promila Chitkara wrote:

> > > > Hello Sharat,

> > > >

> > > > Do you not think that "serving others" comes

naturally only

to a

> > > > handful people? There maybe people who want to

serve their

families;

> > > > however, that is not selfless service in the true

sense of

the term.

> > > > Because we know very well that in happiness and

contentment

of our

> > > > families lies our happiness and growth! So it's

purely

selfish.

> > > >

> > > > P

> > > >

> > > > Sharat <gidoc@>

> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:23:04 AM

> > > > Re: Re: Jupiter as AK (to

Tijanaji, Nitish

and

> > > > v_reality)

> > > >

> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > Good observations, I was following this thread as

well but

really

> > > > found the ' ego ' bit coming in too quickly.

> > > > English words cant describe so well ' ahankar ' and

' aham'

which are

> > > > different and I agree that one cannot see this only

in Sun AK.

> > However

> > > > as you say, Sun AK needs to learn to serve others

as it does

not come

> > > > naturally to them. And you cant take ' I ' away

from them so

easily

> > > > but perhaps if one wants to merge with Paramatma,

then the '

I '

> > will

> > > > have to merge in to ' Him '.

> > > >

> > > > Best

> > > > Sharat

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > ** vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@>

> > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com

<sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>>

> > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:56 PM

> > > > *Subject:* Re: Jupiter as AK (to

Tijanaji, Nitish

and

> > > > v_reality)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,

> > > >

> > > > I have been reading your exchange with interest in

the hope of

> > > > learning something new, but I find myself

disagreeing subtly

> > in the

> > > > essence of what you say. In fact, deep down in the

exchange I

find

> > > > this statement made by "v_reality" which makes a

lot of sense

> > to me:

> > > > "Can this also be understood at a different level

as the

> > effacement

> > > > of 'self' in a spiritual sense?".

> > > >

> > > > Here is my take - I have none of the scriptural

knowledge you

both

> > > > have, only I have seen several Sun AK people: I

dont think it

is

> > > > fair to say that Sun AK people are egotistic. See,

English

> > also has

> > > > a lot of words which have subtly different

meanings, and the

right

> > > > one has to be used. An egotistic person is one who

has a

> > exaggerated

> > > > sense of self-importance. Almost everyone in this

world has

that

> > > > (and you are fooling yourself if you deny it), it

is plain

> > wrong to

> > > > observe a person have Sun AK and simultaneously

observe that

> > he also

> > > > has an exaggerated sense of self importance and say

"yes,

that is

> > > > what the Sun AK does to him". I can cite hundreds

of people I

know

> > > > who are very self important and DONT have Sun AK,

and not only

> > that

> > > > may not even have a strong Sun in their chart.

> > > >

> > > > I personally think the only statement that can be

observed

> > > > repeatedly with Sun AK people is that they are

egocentric i.e.

> > their

> > > > view of the world is based on the individual rather

than the

> > > > society. They may or may not be egotistical (i.e.

> > egocentricity does

> > > > not imply self importance) - the AK simply makes

them go

through

> > > > experiences in life such that their core self is

tested. How

they

> > > > respond to it depends probably on lots of other

astrological

> > > > factors. The only statement I can safely make,

based on pure

> > > > experience, is that Sun AK people are guided to

divinity

through

> > > > experiences of the self, consequently their view is

egocentric.

> > > >

> > > > I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I can share

her data)

> > who was

> > > > molested (by her own professor) and denied a higher

degree

> > that she

> > > > worked hard for, then get married and then

divorced, then

have her

> > > > mom die of cancer in a rather painful way, then

have her

> > brother get

> > > > divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then leave her

too), then

> > (she) get

> > > > married again and her husband develop terminal

cancer very

soon

> > > > afterward. Net result: she cant seem to find a

strong and

> > consistent

> > > > support outside of herself - she has become self

reliant and

only

> > > > finds consistent happiness in meditation/reiki. She

is

probably

> > > > egotistical in some degree too, but not in any

outstanding

way at

> > > > all, and probably much less than all the people

around her..

> > > >

> > > > Consequently, I really dispute the fact that Sun AK

people

must

> > > > learn to "reduce their ego". That is simply a

general lesson

> > for all

> > > > of mankind. Sun AK people's AK will guide them

towards

divinity

> > > > through experiences that make them focus on

themselves and

search

> > > > for the truth: now that's the statement I find much

more to

the

> > > > point.

> > > >

> > > > Comments?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Sundeep

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

nix nixen <nix_nixen@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > Only from one simple statement of yours "It is

not always

> > > > possible for me..." i read that your AK must be

nothing less

than

> > > > Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the

right way of

> > > > finding answers on my queries.

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > Tijana

> > > > >

> > > > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma -

deep/shallow,

> > > > > material/spiritual - all kind of things have a

basis only in

> > > > > paramatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga yoga has a

basis i.e.

> > separation

> > > > of

> > > > > soul from paramatma (which is illusory only

though) and

hence

> > > > > material/spiritual loss depending on the kind

of karma

involved.

> > > > >

> > > > > As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th

part of the

> > > > > consciousness, relatively . Thus, in part,

it becomes its

> > > > > responsibility to guide the affairs of that

sign/house

towards

> > > > > fulfillment. You may explore it further.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not always possible for me to answer to

your specific

> > > > queries.

> > > > > Hopefully, in time, you will discover the

truth of your

queries.

> > > > >

> > > > > best regards,

> > > > > nitish

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijanadamjanovic"

> > <nix_nixen@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > Yes, all must serve. The questions raised

in these

discussions

> > > > on Atma

> > > > > > karakas were on the specific way of

serving.

> > > > > > If we say that Sun AK must learn

principles of artha

> > shastra to

> > > > serve,

> > > > > > the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to

differentiate? I

> > assume

> > > > you

> > > > > > are taking karakatvas of the houses into

account also

> > (2nd, 6th,

> > > > 10th)?

> > > > > > The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne,

but regarding

> > > > spirituality

> > > > > > and Atma this is related to real Raja

yoga whose deepest

> > meaning

> > > > is

> > > > > > inseparable from 10th house of indriyas

(refer

Vivekananda) .

> > > > Only in

> > > > > > that sense we can talk of Janaka or the

perfect King. What

> > artha

> > > > > > shastra principles you had in mind?

> > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is

what you probably had in

> > mind

> > > > > > > > mentioning Gita in this context.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Context that was intended is Gita

Chapter 3,sloka 22.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All must work if the lord of the

cosmos has chosen to

work.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > there is nothing specific that only

SUN AK has to

> > "serve", all

> > > > AKs

> > > > > > > "serve".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But, are you implying that Sun

AK gives a person akin

to

> > > > Janaka?!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to

Janaka - jivanmukta -

> > > > provided

> > > > > > > enough effort has been put in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are you determing dharma based

on this?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will you advise Sun AK people

to take Dhartharastra

as an

> > > > example!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > The attitude of service is seen from

6th house. Leo

being a

> > > > dharma

> > > > > > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of

service through

10th

> > > > house of

> > > > > > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a

Sun AK should learn

> > > > principles of

> > > > > > > artha shastra to serve.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, again, what Raja will

hardly ever do is serving.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All souls have to "Serve" only as

there is nothing else

> > to be

> > > > done

> > > > > > > in the three worlds because Krishna

has already achieved

> > > > everything

> > > > > > > that is there to achieve in the

three worlds(refer

Gita).

> > > > Those who

> > > > > > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to

serve, whatever be

> > their

> > > > AK.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm

bhava lord was Sun AK in

> > lagna in

> > > > Dhanus

> > > > > > > > (extraordinary combination for

unselfish giving by

> > itself).

> > > > > > > > But do you think it`s a

coincidence that His Master

had

> > > > exalted

> > > > > > > Saturn in 9th

> > > > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you

think, why even Swami

> > needed

> > > > these?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One is not re-born after exhausting

his karma/desires.

Thus,

> > > > > > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to

exhaust his

remaining

> > > > karma/

> > > > > > > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK).

There is no more

> > substance

> > > > to

> > > > > > > this than a past-life karmic

relationship of the two

which

> > > > continued

> > > > > > > in this birth also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijana" <nix_nixen@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > > Your elaboration would be even

more brilliant if you

had

> > > > just answer

> > > > > > > > my question.

> > > > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is

what you probably had in

> > mind

> > > > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > > > Gita in this context. But, are

you implying that Sun

AK

> > > > gives a

> > > > > > > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you

determing dharma

based on

> > > > this? Will

> > > > > > > > you advise Sun AK people to

take Dhartharastra as an

> > > > example!

> > > > > > > > So, again, what Raja will

hardly ever do is serving.

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm

bhava lord was Sun AK in

> > lagna in

> > > > Dhanus

> > > > > > > > (extraordinary combination for

unselfish giving by

> > itself).

> > > > But do

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > think it`s a coincidence that

His Master had exalted

> > Saturn

> > > > in 9th

> > > > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you

think, why even Swami

> > needed

> > > > these?

> > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||

> > > > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is the thing

that Raja will hardly ever do?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra

and ancient texts that

show

> > > > what

> > > > > > > all a

> > > > > > > > > Raja has to do to ensure

that his subjects are

protected

> > > > and

> > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > on the upward evolutionary

path. Look at krishna,

Janaka

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and

you will understand whatever

> > > > that "hardly

> > > > > > > > > ever do" equates to.

> > > > > > > > > Otherwise, going by your

statement, AK wouldn't do

> > > > anything

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > the king of the horoscope

and the rest of the

> > karakas (BK,

> > > > PiK,

> > > > > > > Puk,

> > > > > > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will

follow the suit!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is

"Shiva jnane Jiva

Seva" (serving

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > > being as the full

manifestation of God) that

> > Narendranath

> > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > from his Master

Ramakrishna who had Sun in Aquarius.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda

had developed peculiar

> > sharpness

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > perception and

assimilation that empowered him with

> > > > unusual power

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > pick up 'the gems' from

the talks of his Master.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius,

he could, as compared to

> > others,

> > > > > > > easily

> > > > > > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in

the words of Sri

Ramakrishna,

> > > > even

> > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > the Master told them in

simple language (Aq Sun),

and

> > > > never as

> > > > > > > > > preaching.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With its dispositor

Jupiter in Libra, gradually

Swami

> > > > > > > Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > > started assimilating tips

and hints on practical

Vedanta

> > > > that

> > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > benefit individual and

collective life in the

society.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "...For spiritual

persons Sun as AK should be in

> > > > Jupiter`s

> > > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > > > (Shiva jnane...),

otherwise it`s very hard

task..."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Putting up statements like

you have done is not

> > wise. Sri

> > > > > > > Yukteswar

> > > > > > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in

Aries and had attained

> > highest

> > > > level

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun

AK is placed in Libra, it

> > could

> > > > be the

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > spiritual person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual

power of a sign over the

rest of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > signs/

> > > > > > > > > planets in the chart and

this spiritual power

manifests

> > > > through

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dispositor of AK and its

sign placement.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sohamsa@

..com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijana" <nix_nixen@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > > Sun is the Self. Its

qualities are those of Raja

> > (karaka

> > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > first house, lord of

the 5th, dig bala in 10th).

> > What is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > that Raja will hardly

ever do? The lesson that has

> > to be

> > > > learnt

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > Sun AK is serving, in

the highest sence it gives

> > "Shiva

> > > > jnane

> > > > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > > > seva" (service of man

as God)-the divine lesson

> > given to

> > > > us by

> > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK).

For spiritual persons Sun

as AK

> > > > should be

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter`s signs

(Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s

very

> > > > hard task.

> > > > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"v reality" <reality_v@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for

your reply. Much appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask

another query re Sun AK. The lesson

> > to be

> > > > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Sun AK,

> > > > > > > > > > > is the reduction

of ego. Can this also be

understood

> > > > at a

> > > > > > > > > > different level

> > > > > > > > > > > as the

effacement of 'self' in a spiritual

sense?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan

Vidakovic <janbovid@>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >To:

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >Re:

Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > > >Wed,

22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >HARE RAMA

KRISHNA

> > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Su

> > > > > > > > > > > >I would add

that with Gu AK person have to be

very

> > > > humble to

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > >techers and

natives, like priests, gurus,

teachers.

> > > > With Ma

> > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > > > person must

> > > > > > > > > > > >practise

Ahumsa (nonviolence) , with Ch the

> > native is

> > > > always

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > caring,

> > > > > > > > > > > >and gives

emotions but the problem is that they

> > never

> > > > get

> > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > >themselves

from other people. The person must

learn

> > > > lessons

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > >people

represented with AK. Ch / mother, Sy /

> > father

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > everything those

> > > > > > > > > > > >grahas

represent.

> > > > > > > > > > > >Take few

examples of people you know and see

it in

> > > > praxix.

> > > > > > > Best

> > > > > > > > > > wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > >Bojan

> > > > > > > > > > > >Hari Om Tat

Sat

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >Rafal

Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > hraum namah

adityaya

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Person

should use a lot of glass and sing/hum

> > > > melodies.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri

Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > email:

rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish

pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > v reality

napisaÅ,(a): Dear Rafalji/Members

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is an

interesting discussion. Could we

> > discuss

> > > > other

> > > > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > > > too. I read

> > > > > > > > > > > > in an

article that natives with Moon as AK

need to

> > > > learn

> > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > >caring

> > > > > > > > > > > > and loving

to others. But I know of a chart

where

> > > > the

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > >by

> > > > > > > > > > > > nature very

caring, loving and concerned about

> > > > others

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > young. So

> > > > > > > > > > > >what

> > > > > > > > > > > > is the

lesson to be learnt?

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >To:

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Date:

Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum

namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear LN

Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >With Ju

AK person should learn to respect

others

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > >tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >should

be ready to learn from others. When Ju

> > is in

> > > > > > > kendra to

> > > > > > > > > > AK or is

> > > > > > > > > > > >AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > >himself

then native thinks that he knows

> > everything

> > > > and

> > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > can share

> > > > > > > > > > > > >His

knowledge with everybody. Good teachers

of

> > > > course

> > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will be

> > > > naturally in

> > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >With MA

AK person should learn to catalyze

> > energies

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI

> > > > > > > > > > > >or

> > > > > > > > > > > > >other

techniques, while with JU AK person

should

> > > > learn to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > more humble

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>regarding knowledge. Of course person can be

> > > > focused on

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter-

> > > > > > > > > > karakas

> > > > > > > > > > > > >like

kids, spirituality, law, luck etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its

not so

> > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > > materially but

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in good

> > > > placement

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > > >can

> > > > > > > > > > > > >be not

so bad as person is spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Rafal

Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Sri

Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > >email:

rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Jyotish

pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>narender kumar napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>>Dear Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

>>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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September 1, 2007

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Nitish,

Thanks for your nice explanations viz The Gita.

Gita teaches us that Paramatma inside us can be reached by controlling the mind. A mind which is perfectly tranquil and balanced bereft of 'karma' has already connnected with the paramatma. Now, how we go about doing this, depends on individuals and how the grahas are driving their energies.

The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma. Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native will pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve this path, if it can be answered this way?

Best wishes

Sharat

>>Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests as multitude of Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see him aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions respectively.

September 4, 2007

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Thank you for your mail.

You mention a Parampara below. Please provide the name of the Parampara

and its commentary for our benefit so we can read more. In answering

your points, i will be using the Gita's commentary by Adi Shankara -

translated by Svami Gambhirananda.

1.) About Buddhi:

Chapter 2 sloka 52, 53 -->

"When Buddhi penetrates beyond darkness of delusion, then you shall

be indifferent about the matters heard and to-be-heard.

.."

"..Buddhi becoming securely anchored in soul bliss, one attains yoga."

Chapter 2 sloka 62,63 -->

DECAY OF BUDDHI causes ANNIHILATION of spiritual life.

Visti: I don't have this translation. Is this an inference? The last

two words used here are: buddhinaashaat-praNashyati = destruction of

buddhi causes one to be lost/dissapear/vanish/perish. Did you infer

that it was spirituality which perished? To this Adi Shankara comments:

Indeed, a man continues to be himself so long as his mind remains

fit to distinguish between what he ought to and ought not to do.

NOTE:- Jyotish tells us that Sprituality is related to Sun

more than

Rahu, as seen in those with AK in kendra to Sun.

Visti: All eight of the bandhanas once tightened cause loss of

spirituality, not just Buddhi. If a student has so much ahamkara that

he believes he knows everything, then he will not read books and again

spirituality is destroyed. If a one is fully engrossed in his/her

desire for procreation then again the spirituality is ruined. The

latter is explained in Chapter 2, sloka 60. So all eight bandhas cause

this problem, and not just Buddhi.

Chapter 2 sloka 65 -->

Buddhi of the blissful man soon becomes firmly established (in the

self).

Chapter 5 sloka 20 -->

"The Knower of spirit, abiding in Supreme being, with STHIRA BUDDHI,

free from delusion, is thus neither jubiliant at pleasant experiences

nor downcast by unpleasant experiences.

"

Visti: You are very right to give Buddhi such a high pedestal among

the eight bandhas, because indeed the worst Bandha is that of Buddhi

just as Rahu is the main karaka for all Bandhana of the soul.

Overcoming this, all the other bandhas break easily. This is the reason

Rahu is the main cause of rebirth. This is why the Shiva purana

(Satirudrasamhita) states that the Shiva form who is able to control

the bondage of Rahu is Pashupati. Shiva then explains that Pashupati is

responsible for breaking all wordly bondages (pashupAshanikR^intanaM).

According to Shiva, Ishana is the form of Shiva which controls Surya.

More below.

2.) About AHAMKARA:

Chapter 2 sloka 71 -->

"That person realizes peace who, relinquishing all desires, exists

without craving and is UNIDENTIFIED WITH AHAMKARA (mortal ego) and

its sense of mine-ness."

Visti: Adi Shankara comments that this actually refers to one

becoming one with Brahman i.e. enlightenment. Among the forms of Shiva

which specifically give this enlightenment (sandIpayajjagatsarvam -

enlightens the entire universe), we see that the form of Ishana is

talked about.

Note that the word used is SandIpa, and this happens to be the

Guru of Sri Krishna (SandIpani).

However, this sloka from the Gita is not strictly for ahamkara, but for

all the eight bandhas.

3.) About MANAS JOINED WITH BUDDHI:

Chapter 2 sloka 51:

"Those whose minds are joined to wisdom (BUDDHI-YUKTA)

, having

abandoned action's fruit, Freed thus from bondage to rebirth, they

attain the state beyond sorrow."

Also refer Chapter 13 slokas 1 - 11:

"...Indifference to sense objects, And absence of egotism

(NIRHAMKARA)

;...Constant evenmindedness in Desired and

undesired

events...With single-minded yoga,...Constant in knowledge of the Self,

Seeing the goal of truth-knowledge–

This is said to be true knowledge.

The contrary is ignorance."

Chapter 8 sloka 9 refers

"He who meditates on the Seer, the Ruler, The ancient, subtler than

the atom, support Of all, Whose form is inconceivable and RADIANT

LIKE THE SUN and beyond darkness."

This proves beyond doubt and questioning the central role of

BUDDHI in the spiritual growth of a devotee like ARJUNA. Now, this

role is not played by AHAMKARA or MANAS independently.

Thus, Sun as dispeller of darkness is the only correct assignment of

the role of Buddhi.

Visti: Your inference implies that only one of the eight bandhas

deal with spiritual growth or its lacking. One could just as easily

justify that since the main cause of rebirth is Rahu, the stronger the

bondage of Rahu, so also the stronger the bondage of Buddhi and thus

the eclipse of the Sun/spirituality. Thus for this reason we worship

Sri Dakshinamurti on the day of the eclipse to be released from this

Bandhana and get enighenment. This is what the Sadhu's practice.

Note the word Buddhi is used in three different ways in the gita

according to Adi Shankara and Gambhiranandas translation, viz. i)

buddhi as a bandha, ii) samatva buddhi (pure buddhi) and iii) buddhi as

enlightenment, and cannot be mixed arbitrarily.

Getting back to the eightfold Prakriti, Sun (Buddhi), Moon

(MANAS)

and Rahu (Ahamkara) is the only correct version as per the

GURU-SHISYA PARAMPARA

from

Sri Krishna-Arjuna

The reason why in Jyotish most associate the Sun with Ahamkara in

general terms, is because of the story of Vivasvan and Sanjna

(memory/recollection). In the story Vivasvans rays become so bright,

and he became so knowledgeable (and self absorbed) that Sanjna left and

only left her shadow (false recollection) behind.

He only could reunite with Sanjna once his father in-law reduced the

rays of Vivasvan, and he could himself take on a form that Sanjna was

pleased with.

So the story of Vivasvan/Surya tells us about this nature of Ahamkara.

Looking forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT||

Dear Visti,

Lets look at what Sri Krishna tells Arjuna in Gita about Buddhi,

Manas and Ahamkara.

1.) About Buddhi:

Chapter 2 sloka 52, 53 -->

"When Buddhi penetrates beyond darkness of delusion, then you shall

be indifferent about the matters heard and to-be-heard.."

"..Buddhi becoming securely anchored in soul bliss, one attains yoga."

Chapter 2 sloka 62,63 -->

DECAY OF BUDDHI causes ANNIHILATION of spiritual life.

NOTE:- Jyotish tells us that Sprituality is related to Sun more than

Rahu, as seen in those with AK in kendra to Sun.

Chapter 2 sloka 65 -->

Buddhi of the blissful man soon becomes firmly established (in the

self).

Chapter 5 sloka 20 -->

"The Knower of spirit, abiding in Supreme being, with STHIRA BUDDHI,

free from delusion, is thus neither jubiliant at pleasant experiences

nor downcast by unpleasant experiences."

2.) About AHAMKARA:

Chapter 2 sloka 71 -->

"That person realizes peace who, relinquishing all desires, exists

without craving and is UNIDENTIFIED WITH AHAMKARA (mortal ego) and

its sense of mine-ness."

3.) About MANAS JOINED WITH BUDDHI:

Chapter 2 sloka 51:

"Those whose minds are joined to wisdom (BUDDHI-YUKTA), having

abandoned action's fruit, Freed thus from bondage to rebirth, they

attain the state beyond sorrow."

Also refer Chapter 13 slokas 1 - 11:

"...Indifference to sense objects, And absence of egotism

(NIRHAMKARA);...Constant evenmindedness in Desired and undesired

events...With single-minded yoga,...Constant in knowledge of the Self,

Seeing the goal of truth-knowledge–

This is said to be true knowledge.

The contrary is ignorance."

Chapter 8 sloka 9 refers

"He who meditates on the Seer, the Ruler, The ancient, subtler than

the atom, support Of all, Whose form is inconceivable and RADIANT

LIKE THE SUN and beyond darkness."

This proves beyond doubt and questioning the central role of

BUDDHI in the spiritual growth of a devotee like ARJUNA. Now, this

role is not played by AHAMKARA or MANAS independently.

Thus, Sun as dispeller of darkness is the only correct assignment of

the role of Buddhi.

Getting back to the eightfold Prakriti, Sun (Buddhi), Moon (MANAS)

and Rahu (Ahamkara) is the only correct version as per the

GURU-SHISYA PARAMPARA

from

Sri Krishna-Arjuna

regards,

Nitish

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Nitish, Namaskar

> Thank you for this mail.

> I will be answering the main points of your mail. The main points

being

> the foundation of the facts/statements you present.

>

> /You wrote:

> So lets begin with Eightfold-Prakriti of Krishna, your reference

> point itself is incorrect. Gita Chapter 7 sloka 4 states:...

> /

>

> I cannot disagree, as i had wrongly written prakriti instead of

buddhi.

> Siva purana confirms this:

> */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,4/*

> /Prakriti /comprises of buddhi, ahamkara, gunaatmaka and

panchatanmatra.

> All these combined are called Prakriti.

>

> /You wrote:

> Neither the five tattwas, Buddhi nor Manah can be assigned to Rahu

> and thus Ahamkara is the only thing that can logically be assigned

to

> Rahu. So the correct version of eightfold representation of

Prakriti

> is:...

> /

>

> Mana and Buddhi can indeed both be attributed to Rahu, as Rahu is

well

> known to show the desires of the mind. Here the Parampara comes to

our

> help and specifically defines Buddhi to be assigned to Rahu,

whereas

> Mana and Ahamkara have been assigned to Moon and Sun respectively.

So

> why does Sun represent Ahamkara?

> aham = self. kaara=causative/doer. The cause of self in other

words.

> Monier Williams translates this as:

> /m. conception of one's individuality , self-consciousness ChUp.

& c.

> the making of self , thinking of self , egotism MBh. & c./

>

> Where Rahu caused the desire which led to rebirth, it is a given

that

> the Sun is the actual creator of everything, and with that

creation

the

> ahamkaara is one of the negative effects of the same. But this is

just

> my justification the traditions teachings.

>

> /You wrote:

> There is ONLY ONE bondage and not Eight of them. Ahamkara doesn't

> cause bondage of atma as you have written, but Karma alone causes

> bondage of atma, and is not a part of eightfold-prakriti referred

> above. Refer Gita Chapter 2 verse 39 as follows:

> /

>

> The sloka you qoute is right, but your inference... Heres what

Siva

> Purana says:/

> /

>

> */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,2/*

> Because of remaining in eight types of bandhana, the soul is

called

> /Jeeva/. When a person is freed from these bondages, the person is

> called /Mukta.

> /

>

> /*Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,3*

> /Emancipation is the control of these bondages of prakriti etc.

One

> trapped in these is called /Jeeva/, and one freed from them is

called

> /Mukta./

>

> */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,4/*

> /Prakriti /comprises of buddhi, ahamkara, gunaatmaka and

panchatanmatra.

> All these combined are called Prakriti.

>

> */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,5/*

> These eight bondages are the body. The activities of this body are

> called the /karmas/.

>

> Later in sloka 8 Suta explains that due to karmas the soul is

bound

by

> these eight bondages. So these are indeed the bondages and they

are

> created due to Karma. The issue being that the bondages themselves

can

> lead one to recreate the same karma again and again, just as one

desire

> leads to a thousand more.

>

> /You wrote:

> ParamAtma is a collective of all the atmas. Concept of Chara

> karakas is only indicative of the separate identity (Ahamkara) of

> soul in the realm of relationships - led by the AK as a king leads

a

> kingdom. So AK has the job of understanding the realm of

> relationships with other atmas and thereby help the attainment of

> individuals' understanding of ParamAtma./

>

> Yes, once Sun atmakaraka's understand this within themselves, they

> should teach it to others.

> Looking forward to your reply.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://

srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> >

> > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > Dear Visti,

> > Thanks for a good mail.

> >

> > > Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like saying that

Rahu is

Durga.

> >

> > How are you so sure about it? The question still remains

unanswered

> > i.e. how do you prove that Surya represents Ahamkara?

> >

> > > The graha which 'represents' the bondage of ahamkara is

Surya.

> >

> > This brings up another question: i.e. if there is a bondage of

> > Ahamkara at all?

> >

> > Ahamkar is referred in Gita chapter 3, verse 27 as follows:

> >

> > "All activities are being enacted by the senses of the

(Prakriti)

> > material nature without exception; but the unrealized,

deluded by

> > (AhamKara) false identification of being the body, thus

thinks:

"I am

> > the doer"

> >

> > > Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti (rahu),

Akasha(guru),

> > > Agni(mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and

Prithvi (budha)

> >

> > So lets begin with Eightfold-Prakriti of Krishna, your

reference

> > point itself is incorrect. Gita Chapter 7 sloka 4 states:

> >

> > "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, Manah, Buddhi, and Ahamkara;

thus

> > these are the eightfold divisions of my Prakriti."

> >

> > Neither the five tattwas, Buddhi nor Manah can be assigned to

Rahu

> > and thus Ahamkara is the only thing that can logically be

assigned to

> > Rahu. So the correct version of eightfold representation of

Prakriti

> > is:

> >

> > Buddhi (surya), Manah (chandra), Ahamkara (rahu), Akasha(guru),

> > Agni(mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and Prithvi

(budha)

> >

> > > Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there are EIGHT

ways to

look

> > > at God through which we can be freed. For the Ahamkara

we must

> > > look at God as Paramatman.

> >

> > There is ONLY ONE bondage and not Eight of them. Ahamkara

doesn't

> > cause bondage of atma as you have written, but Karma alone

causes

> > bondage of atma, and is not a part of eightfold-prakriti

referred

> > above. Refer Gita Chapter 2 verse 39 as follows:

> >

> > "O Arjuna! What has been declared to you this spiritual

intelligence

> > (Buddhih) according to the Samkhya (the path of knowledge).

Now

> > listen to the teaching of Yoga (the path of selfless action

combined

> > with devotion) by practising which the bondage of Karma is

overcome."

> >

> > Also, Chapter 3 verse 9 verifies that Karma causes bondage:

> >

> > "O son of Kunti! In this world all actions, unless they are

done

as

> > an offering to God (or as Yajna), become causes of bondage.

> > Therefore, work for the sake of God without personal

attachments."

> >

> > Chapter 3 verse 31 cross-verfies it as follows:

> >

> > "Whoever follow this teaching of mine, with their minds full

of

faith

> > and free from disparagement, they also are released from the

bondage

> > of reactions from Actions (Karma)."

> >

> > That liberation is attained by knowing the correct way of

acting

is

> > given in Chapter 4 verse 16:

> >

> > "What is (karma) action and what is (akarma) 'non-action',

is a

> > subject regarding which even the wise are perplexed. I shall

> > therefore speak to you about (Karma)work, by knowing which

one is

> > liberated from evil (or the life of bondage in Samsara)"

> >

> > The reason for liberation is written as Chapter 5 verse 3:

> >

> > "It should be known, O mighty-armed one! That one who neither

> > disdains nor desires fruits of actions, should be known as one

> > established in renunciation. Certainly, that person being

free

from

> > all dualities is easily liberated from bondage."

> >

> > > For the Ahamkara we must look at God as Paramatman. This

is the

> > > remedy itself. And the specific form of Shiva

> > > who will help us realize this is Ishana for the Sun.

> >

> > Please understand that Ahamkara is not a disease that we look

for

> > remedies to it. It is the eightfold prakriti of Krishna.

Otherwise,

> > mind, buddhi, and pancha-tattwas will also need to be

remedied.

> >

> > > And among those born with Surya as atmakaraka we have

grades of

> > > those being fully engrossed in ahamkara vs. having

complete

control

> > > of ahamkara.

> > I am not sure what you mean by complete control of Ahamkara,

> > because one who has complete control of his manas and has

buddhi

> > devoted to Krishna - realizes his divine nature of

"AhamBrahmaAsmi"

> > and gets freed from the bondage of Karma.

> >

> > > Divine souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna

> > > Paramahamsa and Sri Krishna being at one end of the

scale. With

> > > fellows like Donald Trump, Adolph Hitler (exalted surya

yuti AK)

> > >and others at the other end of the scale.

> >

> > Liberation is caused by the development of divine/demoniac

nature,

> > Chapter 16 Verse 5:

> >

> > "The divine nature is considered the cause of liberation and

the

> > demoniac nature the cause of bondage. Grieve not, O son of

Pandu!

You

> > are born of the divine nature."

> >

> > > So please don't make the equation that everyone with

Surya

> > > atmakaraka is Paramatman. That would be quite delusional

indeed...

> >

> > Even as paramatman is Omnipresent, it is not possible to say

that

> > any mortal being is apart from paramatman, whether it be

Surya AK

in

> > a specific context. In any case, no such equation about

> > Atmakaraka and Paramatma has been made by me.

> >

> > The only question asked is about how "Surya" represents

Ahamkara,

> > devoid of any Chara Karaka Status whatsoever. You should have

read my

> > mail more thoroughly to have not missed the point that was

being

made.

> >

> > ParamAtma is a collective of all the atmas. Concept of Chara

> > karakas is only indicative of the separate identity

(Ahamkara) of

> > soul in the realm of relationships - led by the AK as a king

leads a

> > kingdom. So AK has the job of understanding the realm of

> > relationships with other atmas and thereby help the

attainment of

> > individuals' understanding of ParamAtma.

> >

> > Finally, about the points you made:

> >

> > As proved earlier, Surya as representing Buddhi of the

eight-fold

> > Prakriti of Krishna - is referred to as ParamAtma in a chart

by

> > Jyotish Texts, whatever be the Chara AtmaKaraka. That Buddhi/

> > intelligence in creatures is Krishna is verified by Gita

Chapter

10,

> > sloka 22:

> >

> > "Of the Vedas, I am the Sama Veda; among the Devas, I am

Indra; of

> > the senses, I am the mind; and in living beings, I am

intelligence."

> >

> > > See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and this

corresponds to

the

> > > nakshatras.

> >

> > Jyotish tells that constellations are overlorded by luminary

Moon

> > and Moon derives its luminosity from Sun. Therefore, as a

consequence

> > the concept of devatas associated with the swarga of

constellations

> > is derived from the luminosity of the radiant Sun and any

spiritual

> > blessings obtained by worshipping devatas of Swarga loka are

easily

> > obtained by worshipping Sun as Paramatma.

> >

> > > Using that equation we could say that Aditya, Shiva and

Agni are

> > > all Surya... Taking a line from your mail we are

actually saying

> > > that Vishnu being an aditya is Surya?

> >

> > Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests as

multitude of

> > Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see him

> > aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions

> > respectively.

> >

> > > Obviously both of us know better than that.

> >

> > Now we do.

> >

> > regards,

> > nitish

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Nitish, Namaskar

> > > Thank you for your reply.

> > > Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like saying that

Rahu is

Durga.

> > > Using that equation we could say that Aditya, Shiva and

Agni are

> > all

> > > Surya... Taking a line from your mail we are actually

saying

that

> > Vishnu

> > > being an aditya is Surya? Obviously both of us know

better than

> > that.

> > >

> > > See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and this

corresponds to

the

> > > nakshatras. The grahas through their transit of the

nakshatras

are

> > > actually eclipsing them and thus certain forms of

devatas come

as

> > > indicating by 1) the graha eclipsing. 2) the nakshatra

it

eclipses.

> > > Since nakshatras are the basis of the rasi chart, we can

find

based

> > on

> > > the state of a graha the actual devata represented by

it. But

its

> > only a

> > > representation as the Grahas themselves are not devatas.

> > >

> > > The graha which 'represents' the bondage of ahamkara is

Surya,

just

> > as

> > > the graha representing the bondage of the mind is Moon.

And

among

> > those

> > > born with Surya as atmakaraka we have grades of those

being

fully

> > > engrossed in ahamkara vs. having complete control of

ahamkara.

> > Divine

> > > souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Sri

Krishna

> > being at

> > > one end of the scale. With fellows like Donald Trump,

Adolph

Hitler

> > > (exalted surya yuti AK) and others at the other end of

the

scale.

> > >

> > > Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there are EIGHT

ways to

look

> > at

> > > God through which we can be freed. For the Ahamkara we

must

look at

> > God

> > > as Paramatman. This is the remedy itself. And the

specific form

of

> > Shiva

> > > who will help us realize this is Ishana for the Sun.

> > >

> > > So please don't make the equation that everyone with

Surya

> > atmakaraka is

> > > Paramatman. That would be quite delusional indeed...

Infact the

> > concept

> > > of Paramatma is the means to which the Surya atmakaraka

will be

> > freed of

> > > his/her ahamkara.

> > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://

> > srigaruda.com

> > > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || OM TAT SAT||

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > How do you prove that Ahamkara is represented by

Surya ?

Either

> > you

> > > > mean to say that Lord Krishna represents Ahamkara

going by

Gita

> > > > Chapter 10 verse 21:

> > > >

> > > > "Of the tweleve adityas I am vishnu, of all

luminaries the

radiant

> > > > Sun , of the seven Maruts I am marichi, and of the

constellations

> > I am

> > > > the Moon."

> > > >

> > > > Are you saying that Sura/Surya group of planets are

lead by

Surya

> > as

> > > > Ahamkara?

> > > >

> > > > Are you saying that the Vedas adoring Surya Narayan

as a

witness

> > of

> > > > all actions (Sakshi) is an individuality creating

Ahamkara

> > Principle

> > > > and not an impersonal transcendental intelligence

principle?

> > > >

> > > > Please explain why Surya as Ahamkara should be

referred to as

> > > > Paramatma, the soul of all and `Jagadaikha

chakshusay', the

eye

> > of the

> > > > three worlds?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > nitish

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ??? ??? ??????

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear List, Namaskar

> > > > > Why hasn't anyone started talking about the

eight bondages

of

> > the atma?

> > > > > Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti

(rahu), Akasha

> > (guru), Agni

> > > > > (mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and

Prithvi (budha).

> > > > >

> > > > > And how these eight bondages map into the

eight spokes of

the

> > kala

> > > > > chakra, which are simultaneously the eight

spokes of the

> > anahata chakra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Really any talk on the atma and its EIGHT

karakas is futile

> > without any

> > > > > of this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles

visit:

> > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

<http://

srigaruda.com

> > <http://srigaruda.com>>

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

> > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>>

> > > > >

> > > > > Promila Chitkara wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Sharat,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you not think that "serving others"

comes naturally

only

> > to a

> > > > > > handful people? There maybe people who

want to serve their

> > families;

> > > > > > however, that is not selfless service in

the true sense of

> > the term.

> > > > > > Because we know very well that in

happiness and

contentment

> > of our

> > > > > > families lies our happiness and growth!

So it's purely

> > selfish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sharat <gidoc@>

> > > > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:23:04 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter as AK

(to Tijanaji,

Nitish

> > and

> > > > > > v_reality)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > > > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > > > Good observations, I was following this

thread as well but

> > really

> > > > > > found the ' ego ' bit coming in too

quickly.

> > > > > > English words cant describe so well '

ahankar ' and '

aham'

> > which are

> > > > > > different and I agree that one cannot see

this only in

Sun AK.

> > > > However

> > > > > > as you say, Sun AK needs to learn to

serve others as it

does

> > not come

> > > > > > naturally to them. And you cant take ' I

' away from them

so

> > easily

> > > > > > but perhaps if one wants to merge with

Paramatma, then

the '

> > I '

> > > > will

> > > > > > have to merge in to ' Him '.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best

> > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > ** vedicastrostudent

<vedicastrostudent@>

> > > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > > > <sohamsa%40>>

> > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:56 PM

> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: Jupiter as AK

(to Tijanaji,

Nitish

> > and

> > > > > > v_reality)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been reading your exchange with

interest in the

hope of

> > > > > > learning something new, but I find myself

disagreeing

subtly

> > > > in the

> > > > > > essence of what you say. In fact, deep

down in the

exchange I

> > find

> > > > > > this statement made by "v_reality" which

makes a lot of

sense

> > > > to me:

> > > > > > "Can this also be understood at a

different level as the

> > > > effacement

> > > > > > of 'self' in a spiritual sense?".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is my take - I have none of the

scriptural knowledge

you

> > both

> > > > > > have, only I have seen several Sun AK

people: I dont

think it

> > is

> > > > > > fair to say that Sun AK people are

egotistic. See, English

> > > > also has

> > > > > > a lot of words which have subtly

different meanings, and

the

> > right

> > > > > > one has to be used. An egotistic person

is one who has a

> > > > exaggerated

> > > > > > sense of self-importance. Almost everyone

in this world

has

> > that

> > > > > > (and you are fooling yourself if you deny

it), it is plain

> > > > wrong to

> > > > > > observe a person have Sun AK and

simultaneously observe

that

> > > > he also

> > > > > > has an exaggerated sense of self

importance and say "yes,

> > that is

> > > > > > what the Sun AK does to him". I can cite

hundreds of

people I

> > know

> > > > > > who are very self important and DONT have

Sun AK, and not

only

> > > > that

> > > > > > may not even have a strong Sun in their

chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally think the only statement

that can be observed

> > > > > > repeatedly with Sun AK people is that

they are egocentric

i.e.

> > > > their

> > > > > > view of the world is based on the

individual rather than

the

> > > > > > society. They may or may not be

egotistical (i.e.

> > > > egocentricity does

> > > > > > not imply self importance) - the AK

simply makes them go

> > through

> > > > > > experiences in life such that their core

self is tested.

How

> > they

> > > > > > respond to it depends probably on lots of

other

astrological

> > > > > > factors. The only statement I can safely

make, based on

pure

> > > > > > experience, is that Sun AK people are

guided to divinity

> > through

> > > > > > experiences of the self, consequently

their view is

> > egocentric.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I

can share her

data)

> > > > who was

> > > > > > molested (by her own professor) and

denied a higher degree

> > > > that she

> > > > > > worked hard for, then get married and

then divorced, then

> > have her

> > > > > > mom die of cancer in a rather painful

way, then have her

> > > > brother get

> > > > > > divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then

leave her too), then

> > > > (she) get

> > > > > > married again and her husband develop

terminal cancer very

> > soon

> > > > > > afterward. Net result: she cant seem to

find a strong and

> > > > consistent

> > > > > > support outside of herself - she has

become self reliant

and

> > only

> > > > > > finds consistent happiness in

meditation/reiki. She is

> > probably

> > > > > > egotistical in some degree too, but not

in any outstanding

> > way at

> > > > > > all, and probably much less than all the

people around

her..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Consequently, I really dispute the fact

that Sun AK people

> > must

> > > > > > learn to "reduce their ego". That is

simply a general

lesson

> > > > for all

> > > > > > of mankind. Sun AK people's AK will guide

them towards

> > divinity

> > > > > > through experiences that make them focus

on themselves and

> > search

> > > > > > for the truth: now that's the statement I

find much more

to

> > the

> > > > > > point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Comments?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

nix nixen <nix_nixen@

...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > Only from one simple statement of

yours "It is not

always

> > > > > > possible for me..." i read that your AK

must be nothing

less

> > than

> > > > > > Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m

on the right

way of

> > > > > > finding answers on my queries.

> > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > > Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with

paramatma - deep/

shallow,

> > > > > > > material/spiritual - all kind of

things have a basis

only in

> > > > > > > paramatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga

yoga has a basis i.e.

> > > > separation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > soul from paramatma (which is

illusory only though) and

> > hence

> > > > > > > material/spiritual loss depending on

the kind of karma

> > involved.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As the lord of a sign, a planet

rules a 12th part of the

> > > > > > > consciousness, relatively . Thus,

in part, it becomes

its

> > > > > > > responsibility to guide the affairs

of that sign/house

> > towards

> > > > > > > fulfillment. You may explore it

further.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is not always possible for me to

answer to your

specific

> > > > > > queries.

> > > > > > > Hopefully, in time, you will

discover the truth of your

> > queries.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > best regards,

> > > > > > > nitish

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijanadamjanovic"

> > > > <nix_nixen@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > > Yes, all must serve. The

questions raised in these

> > discussions

> > > > > > on Atma

> > > > > > > > karakas were on the specific

way of serving.

> > > > > > > > If we say that Sun AK must

learn principles of artha

> > > > shastra to

> > > > > > serve,

> > > > > > > > the same stands for Ma and Ju

AK? How to

differentiate? I

> > > > assume

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are taking karakatvas of the

houses into account also

> > > > (2nd, 6th,

> > > > > > 10th)?

> > > > > > > > The Sun/Raja gets service on

the throne, but regarding

> > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > and Atma this is related to

real Raja yoga whose

deepest

> > > > meaning

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > inseparable from 10th house of

indriyas (refer

> > Vivekananda) .

> > > > > > Only in

> > > > > > > > that sense we can talk of

Janaka or the perfect King.

What

> > > > artha

> > > > > > > > shastra principles you had in

mind?

> > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

> > "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To fulfill ones own

dharma is what you probably

had in

> > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > mentioning Gita in

this context.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Context that was intended

is Gita Chapter 3,sloka

22.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All must work if the lord

of the cosmos has chosen

to

> > work.

> > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > there is nothing specific

that only SUN AK has to

> > > > "serve", all

> > > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > > "serve".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But, are you implying

that Sun AK gives a person

akin

> > to

> > > > > > Janaka?!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person

akin to Janaka -

jivanmukta -

> > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > enough effort has been put

in.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Are you determing

dharma based on this?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th

lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will you advise Sun

AK people to take

Dhartharastra

> > as an

> > > > > > example!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > > The attitude of service is

seen from 6th house. Leo

> > being a

> > > > > > dharma

> > > > > > > > > trikona sign fulfills its

purpose of service through

> > 10th

> > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > Artha, which is 6th from

it. So a Sun AK should

learn

> > > > > > principles of

> > > > > > > > > artha shastra to serve.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, again, what Raja

will hardly ever do is

serving.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All souls have to "Serve"

only as there is nothing

else

> > > > to be

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > in the three worlds

because Krishna has already

achieved

> > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > that is there to achieve

in the three worlds(refer

> > Gita).

> > > > > > Those who

> > > > > > > > > do not serve, are reborn

to learn to serve,

whatever be

> > > > their

> > > > > > AK.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s

Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK

in

> > > > lagna in

> > > > > > Dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > (extraordinary

combination for unselfish giving by

> > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > > > But do you think it`s

a coincidence that His

Master

> > had

> > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > Saturn in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK?

What do you think, why even

Swami

> > > > needed

> > > > > > these?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One is not re-born after

exhausting his karma/

desires.

> > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK)

came here to exhaust his

> > remaining

> > > > > > karma/

> > > > > > > > > desires with Ramakrishna

(Rahu AK). There is no more

> > > > substance

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > this than a past-life

karmic relationship of the two

> > which

> > > > > > continued

> > > > > > > > > in this birth also.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sohamsa@

..com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijana" <nix_nixen@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > > > > Your elaboration

would be even more brilliant if

you

> > had

> > > > > > just answer

> > > > > > > > > > my question.

> > > > > > > > > > To fulfill ones own

dharma is what you probably

had in

> > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > > > > > Gita in this context.

But, are you implying that

Sun

> > AK

> > > > > > gives a

> > > > > > > > > > person akin to

Janaka?! Are you determing dharma

> > based on

> > > > > > this? Will

> > > > > > > > > > you advise Sun AK

people to take Dhartharastra as

an

> > > > > > example!

> > > > > > > > > > So, again, what Raja

will hardly ever do is

serving.

> > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s

Dharm bhava lord was Sun AK

in

> > > > lagna in

> > > > > > Dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > (extraordinary

combination for unselfish giving by

> > > > itself).

> > > > > > But do

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > think it`s a

coincidence that His Master had

exalted

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK?

What do you think, why even

Swami

> > > > needed

> > > > > > these?

> > > > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

> > "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the

thing that Raja will hardly ever

do?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Read up Gita,

arthashastra and ancient texts

that

> > show

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > all a

> > > > > > > > > > > Raja has to do

to ensure that his subjects are

> > protected

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > > on the upward

evolutionary path. Look at

krishna,

> > Janaka

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > ChandraGupta

Maurya and you will understand

whatever

> > > > > > that "hardly

> > > > > > > > > > > ever do" equates

to.

> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, going

by your statement, AK wouldn't

do

> > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > the king of the

horoscope and the rest of the

> > > > karakas (BK,

> > > > > > PiK,

> > > > > > > > > Puk,

> > > > > > > > > > > GK) i.e. his

subjects will follow the suit!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the

mantra is "Shiva jnane Jiva

> > Seva" (serving

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > being as the

full manifestation of God) that

> > > > Narendranath

> > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > from his Master

Ramakrishna who had Sun in

Aquarius.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Being Sun AK,

Vivekananda had developed peculiar

> > > > sharpness

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > perception and

assimilation that empowered him

with

> > > > > > unusual power

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > pick up 'the

gems' from the talks of his Master.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With Sun in

Sagittarius, he could, as compared

to

> > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > easily

> > > > > > > > > > > 'see' the deep

meaning in the words of Sri

> > Ramakrishna,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > the Master told

them in simple language (Aq

Sun),

> > and

> > > > > > never as

> > > > > > > > > > > preaching.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With its

dispositor Jupiter in Libra, gradually

> > Swami

> > > > > > > > > Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > > > > started

assimilating tips and hints on practical

> > Vedanta

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > benefit

individual and collective life in the

> > society.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > "...For

spiritual persons Sun as AK should be

in

> > > > > > Jupiter`s

> > > > > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Shiva

jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard

> > task..."

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Putting up

statements like you have done is not

> > > > wise. Sri

> > > > > > > > > Yukteswar

> > > > > > > > > > > Giri, has Sun AK

placed in Aries and had

attained

> > > > highest

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > spirituality.

Even if Sun AK is placed in

Libra, it

> > > > could

> > > > > > be the

> > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual person.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > AK shows the

spiritual power of a sign over the

> > rest of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > signs/

> > > > > > > > > > > planets in the

chart and this spiritual power

> > manifests

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dispositor of AK

and its sign placement.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijana" <nix_nixen@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave

Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is the

Self. Its qualities are those of

Raja

> > > > (karaka

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > first

house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in

10th).

> > > > What is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > > that Raja

will hardly ever do? The lesson

that has

> > > > to be

> > > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun AK is

serving, in the highest sence it

gives

> > > > "Shiva

> > > > > > jnane

> > > > > > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > > > > > seva"

(service of man as God)-the divine

lesson

> > > > given to

> > > > > > us by

> > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda

(Sun AK). For spiritual persons

Sun

> > as AK

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter`s

signs (Shiva jnane...), otherwise

it`s

> > very

> > > > > > hard task.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Warm

regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"v

reality" <reality_v@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Bojan-ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank

you for your reply. Much appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If I

may ask another query re Sun AK. The

lesson

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun AK,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is the

reduction of ego. Can this also be

> > understood

> > > > > > at a

> > > > > > > > > > > > different

level

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as the

effacement of 'self' in a spiritual

> > sense?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Dear Su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >I

would add that with Gu AK person have to

be

> > very

> > > > > > humble to

> > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>techers and natives, like priests, gurus,

> > teachers.

> > > > > > With Ma

> > > > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > person must

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>practise Ahumsa (nonviolence) , with Ch the

> > > > native is

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > caring,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>and gives emotions but the problem is that

they

> > > > never

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>themselves from other people. The person

must

> > learn

> > > > > > lessons

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>people represented with AK. Ch / mother,

Sy /

> > > > father

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > everything

those

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>grahas represent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Take few examples of people you know and

see

> > it in

> > > > > > praxix.

> > > > > > > > > Best

> > > > > > > > > > > > wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Bojan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

hraum namah adityaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Person should use a lot of glass and sing/

hum

> > > > > > melodies.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > v

reality napisaÅ,(a): Dear Rafalji/

Members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

This is an interesting discussion. Could

we

> > > > discuss

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > > > > > too. I read

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

in an article that natives with Moon as AK

> > need to

> > > > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>caring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

and loving to others. But I know of a

chart

> > where

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

nature very caring, loving and concerned

about

> > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > young. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

is the lesson to be learnt?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Dear LN Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>With Ju AK person should learn to respect

> > others

> > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>should be ready to learn from others.

When Ju

> > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > kendra to

> > > > > > > > > > > > AK or is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>himself then native thinks that he knows

> > > > everything

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > can share

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>His knowledge with everybody. Good

teachers

> > of

> > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha will

be

> > > > > > naturally in

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>With MA AK person should learn to

catalyze

> > > > energies

> > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>other techniques, while with JU AK person

> > should

> > > > > > learn to

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > more humble

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>regarding knowledge. Of course person

can be

> > > > > > focused on

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > karakas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>like kids, spirituality, law, luck etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us so its

> > not so

> > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > > > > materially

but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>inspiring spiritually, so if Surya is in

good

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>be not so bad as person is spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>narender kumar napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>Dear Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as

mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>Respectful Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>LN Kumar

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हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Why are desires seen from seventh from Sun? Why not seventh from

Atmakaraka?

Where did you find this principle?

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT ||

Dear Sharat,

> The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma.

>Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native

will

>pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve

>this path, if it can be answered this way?

The answer is follow the Sun - as natural AtmaKaraka and ParamAtma.

Let me explain.

Desires are seen from - 7th house,

Moksha/liberation is seen from -12th house,

Thoughts of a person are seen from Sun sign,

Without thoughts, there are no desires,

Thus, choose a mantra of Siva/Vishnu/? according to belief,

that sends energy,

from 7th house from Sun to 12th house from Sun.

This is the path independent of the Atmakaraka of a native.

NOTE:- Look at the chart of Ramanna Maharishi and you will know the

Truth.

regards,

nitish

sohamsa ,

" Sharat" <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Nitish,

> Thanks for your nice explanations viz The Gita.

> Gita teaches us that Paramatma inside us can be reached by

controlling the mind. A mind which is perfectly tranquil and balanced

bereft of 'karma' has already connnected with the paramatma. Now, how

we go about doing this, depends on individuals and how the grahas are

driving their energies.

> The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma.

Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native will

pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve

this path, if it can be answered this way?

> Best wishes

> Sharat

>

> >>Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests as

multitude of

> Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see him

> aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions

> respectively.

>

September 4, 2007

||Namah Shivaya||

Dear Nitish,

Thanks for your response. As Visti points out 7th from AK shows desire of the atma, however it works in my case as both are the same.

7th from Sun (ak) sign is Leo itself ( 13/03/1957;20:59:08;Kanpur,India). Sun shows me Shiva's path or is it Vishnu...as Me is there as well. What do you see?

Ramana Rsihi's chart shows eclipse of the Sun in the 3/9 axis...and 7 th from it is Mo-AK, lorded by Me in yui with lagnesh Ve, in 12 th from Sun.Can you please elabortae on this.

Best

Sharat

-

yeeahoo_99

sohamsa

Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:34 PM

Re: Jupiter as AK (to Visti, Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

|| OM TAT SAT ||Dear Sharat,> The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma. >Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native will >pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve >this path, if it can be answered this way?The answer is follow the Sun - as natural AtmaKaraka and ParamAtma.Let me explain.Desires are seen from - 7th house,Moksha/liberation is seen from -12th house,Thoughts of a person are seen from Sun sign,Without thoughts, there are no desires,Thus, choose a mantra of Siva/Vishnu/? according to belief,that sends energy,from 7th house from Sun to 12th house from Sun.This is the path independent of the Atmakaraka of a native.NOTE:- Look at the chart of Ramanna Maharishi and you will know the Truth.regards,nitishsohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear Nitish,> Thanks for your nice explanations viz The Gita.> Gita teaches us that Paramatma inside us can be reached by controlling the mind. A mind which is perfectly tranquil and balanced bereft of 'karma' has already connnected with the paramatma. Now, how we go about doing this, depends on individuals and how the grahas are driving their energies.> The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma. Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native will pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve this path, if it can be answered this way?> Best wishes> Sharat> > > >>Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests as multitude of > Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see him > aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions > respectively.>

September 5, 2007

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Have you attained shat-chakra bhedan through meditation?

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT ||

Dear Visti and Sharat,

> Thanks for your response. As Visti points out 7th from AK shows

> desire of the atma, however it works in my case as both are the

> same.7th from Sun (ak) sign is Leo itself

> (13/03/1957;20:59:08;Kanpur,India). Sun shows me

Shiva's path or is

> it Vishnu...as Me is there as well. What do you see?

Please don't worry about the source of this principle as truth is

sourced only in Krishna consciousness. You should read Gita more and

more thoroughly, chapter 3,9,15, to understand the source and the

derivation of this principle (Lahiri Mahashaya Gita, Sri Yukteswar

Gita, and Yogananda Gita versions will help you understand the most

crucial 9th chapter).

In any case, you will understand this principle only after you have

achieved shat-chakra bhedan through yoga meditation.

You may look at the example charts of Ramanna Maharishi and Sri Ram,

you would find this principle at work in these two charts, with the

7th lord from Sun going to 12th from Sun.

Purest spirituality is achieved when one realizes His Form-less

omnipresent being - Krishna consciousness - and remains there always!

AtmaKaraka has most important role, in the field of Form and

relationships - the Form and relationship with ishta devata. Form

inevitably binds jeevatma with Prakriti (material expression of

Krishna consciousness).

Gradually, through AK-Ishta relationship one learns to walk on the

spiritual path till he realizes his eternal relationship with

Purushottama!

Thus, to attain the supreme state of ParaMukta (supreme control over

death), one has to get free from the Form and reach out to relate with

the Formless.

Links:

--> www.yoganiketan.net/yogirajgita/yogirajgita.pdf

--> http://www.yoganiketan.net/sriyukteshvargita/sriyukteshvargita.pdf

regards,

nitish

sohamsa ,

"Sharat" <gidoc wrote:

>

> ||Namah Shivaya||

> Dear Nitish,

> Thanks for your response. As Visti points out 7th from AK shows

desire of the atma, however it works in my case as both are the same.

> 7th from Sun (ak) sign is Leo itself (

13/03/1957;20:59:08;Kanpur,India). Sun shows me Shiva's path

or is it

Vishnu...as Me is there as well. What do you see?

>

> Ramana Rsihi's chart shows eclipse of the Sun in the 3/9 axis...and

7 th from it is Mo-AK, lorded by Me in yui with lagnesh Ve, in 12 th

from Sun.Can you please elabortae on this.

>

> Best

> Sharat

>

> -

> yeeahoo_99

> sohamsa

> Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:34 PM

> Re: Jupiter as AK (to Visti, Tijanaji, Nitish

and v_reality)

>

> || OM TAT SAT ||

> Dear Sharat,

> > The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with

Paramatma.

> >Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the

native will

> >pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to

achieve

> >this path, if it can be answered this way?

>

> The answer is follow the Sun - as natural AtmaKaraka and ParamAtma.

>

> Let me explain.

>

> Desires are seen from - 7th house,

> Moksha/liberation is seen from -12th house,

> Thoughts of a person are seen from Sun sign,

> Without thoughts, there are no desires,

> Thus, choose a mantra of Siva/Vishnu/? according to belief,

> that sends energy,

> from 7th house from Sun to 12th house from Sun.

>

> This is the path independent of the Atmakaraka of a native.

>

> NOTE:- Look at the chart of Ramanna Maharishi and you will know

the

> Truth.

>

> regards,

> nitish

>

> sohamsa ,

" Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:

> >

> > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > Dear Nitish,

> > Thanks for your nice explanations viz The Gita.

> > Gita teaches us that Paramatma inside us can be reached by

> controlling the mind. A mind which is perfectly tranquil and

balanced

> bereft of 'karma' has already connnected with the paramatma. Now,

how

> we go about doing this, depends on individuals and how the grahas

are

> driving their energies.

> > The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with

Paramatma.

> Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native

will

> pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to

achieve

> this path, if it can be answered this way?

> > Best wishes

> > Sharat

> >

> > >>Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests as

multitude of

> > Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see

him

> > aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions

> > respectively.

> >

>

September 5, 2007

Dear Nitish,

You said, "In any case, you will understand this principle only after you have achieved shat-chakra bhedan through yoga meditation."

Please enligthen me on why only those who have attained shat-chakra bhedan can fully understand this principle? Why not others who are at similar level without going through shat-chakra bhedan? Maybe crown chakra of these souls is already open based on souls' progress in their last lives, and they don't need to specifically attain this in this life (by saying this I don't mean that they don't need to do bhakti, meditation anymore)? Maybe there are souls who are following some other path, which is as divine as the one you mentioned, and they understand these truths without even learning astrology.

I'm NOT trying to digress--just in case it sounds like digression. I'm simply trying to understand why only one path can show you the truth, why not other?

Have I misunderstood your point? Please let me know.

Promila

yeeahoo_99 <nitish.aryasohamsa Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 2:10:34 PM Re: Jupiter as AK (to Visti, Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

|| OM TAT SAT ||Dear Visti,Yes.regards,nitishsohamsa@ .com, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:>> ??? ??? ??????> > Dear Nitish, Namaskar> Have you attained shat-chakra bhedan through meditation?> Yours sincerely,> > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark> email: visti <visti@ ...>> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com > <http://srigaruda. com>> > yeeahoo_99 wrote:> >> > || OM TAT SAT ||> > Dear Visti and Sharat,> >> > > Thanks for your response. As Visti points out 7th from AK

shows> > > desire of the atma, however it works in my case as both are the> > > same.7th from Sun (ak) sign is Leo itself> > > (13/03/1957; 20:59:08; Kanpur,India) . Sun shows me Shiva's path or is> > > it Vishnu...as Me is there as well. What do you see?> >> > Please don't worry about the source of this principle as truth is> > sourced only in Krishna consciousness. You should read Gita more and> > more thoroughly, chapter 3,9,15, to understand the source and the> > derivation of this principle (Lahiri Mahashaya Gita, Sri Yukteswar> > Gita, and Yogananda Gita versions will help you understand the most> > crucial 9th chapter).> >> > In any case, you will understand this principle only after you have> > achieved shat-chakra bhedan through yoga meditation.> >> > You may look at the

example charts of Ramanna Maharishi and Sri Ram,> > you would find this principle at work in these two charts, with the> > 7th lord from Sun going to 12th from Sun.> >> > Purest spirituality is achieved when one realizes His Form-less> > omnipresent being - Krishna consciousness - and remains there always!> >> > AtmaKaraka has most important role, in the field of Form and> > relationships - the Form and relationship with ishta devata. Form> > inevitably binds jeevatma with Prakriti (material expression of> > Krishna consciousness) .> >> > Gradually, through AK-Ishta relationship one learns to walk on the> > spiritual path till he realizes his eternal relationship with> > Purushottama!> >> > Thus, to attain the supreme state of ParaMukta (supreme control over> > death), one has to get

free from the Form and reach out to relate with> > the Formless.> >> > Links:> > --> www.yoganiketan. net/yogirajgita/ yogirajgita. pdf> > -->http://www.yoganike tan.net/sriyukte shvargita/ sriyukteshvargit a.pdf > > <http://www.yoganike tan.net/sriyukte shvargita/ sriyukteshvargit a.pdf>> >> > regards,> > nitish> >> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > "Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> > >> > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > Dear Nitish,> > > Thanks

for your response. As Visti points out 7th from AK shows> > desire of the atma, however it works in my case as both are the same.> > > 7th from Sun (ak) sign is Leo itself (> > 13/03/1957;20: 59:08;Kanpur, India). Sun shows me Shiva's path or is it> > Vishnu...as Me is there as well. What do you see?> > >> > > Ramana Rsihi's chart shows eclipse of the Sun in the 3/9 axis...and> > 7 th from it is Mo-AK, lorded by Me in yui with lagnesh Ve, in 12 th> > from Sun.Can you please elabortae on this.> > >> > > Best> > > Sharat> > >> > >> > >> > > -> > > yeeahoo_99> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>> >

> Tuesday, September 04, 2007 2:34 PM> > > Re: Jupiter as AK (to Visti, Tijanaji, Nitish> > and v_reality)> > >> > >> > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > Dear Sharat,> > > > The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma.> > > >Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the nativewill> > > >pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve> > > >this path, if it can be answered this way?> > >> > > The answer is follow the Sun - as natural AtmaKaraka and ParamAtma.> > >> > > Let me explain.> > >> > > Desires are seen from - 7th house,> > > Moksha/liberation is seen from -12th house,> > > Thoughts of a person are seen from Sun sign,> > >

Without thoughts, there are no desires,> > > Thus, choose a mantra of Siva/Vishnu/ ? according to belief,> > > that sends energy,> > > from 7th house from Sun to 12th house from Sun.> > >> > > This is the path independent of the Atmakaraka of a native.> > >> > > NOTE:- Look at the chart of Ramanna Maharishi and you will know the> > > Truth.> > >> > > regards,> > > nitish> > >> > > sohamsa@ .com<sohamsa% 40. com>, " > > Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> > > >> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > Dear Nitish,> > > > Thanks for your nice explanations viz The Gita.> > > > Gita teaches us that

Paramatma inside us can be reached by> > > controlling the mind. A mind which is perfectly tranquil andbalanced> > > bereft of 'karma' has already connnected with the paramatma.Now, how> > > we go about doing this, depends on individuals and how thegrahas are> > > driving their energies.> > > > The Q is how at atmakarak level we best connect with Paramatma.> > > Each AK will show a slightly different path on which the native will> > > pursue these drives. Do we know how each AK is best able to achieve> > > this path, if it can be answered this way?> > > > Best wishes> > > > Sharat> > > >> > > >> > > > >>Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests asmultitude of> > > > Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept you see

him> > > > aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other divisions> > > > respectively.> > > >> > >> >> >>

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September 5, 2007

|om|

Dear Nitish, namaste

Friend 1: Now that you went to USA, tell me something about USA.

Friend 2: How can I do that? Only after you also go to USA then can I tell you something about USA!

Friend 1: For now, I cannot go to USA. At least describe what you saw/understood/realized. That will help me to gain some idea about USA.

best regards

Hari

On 9/5/07, Promila Chitkara <promilac wrote:

Dear Nitish,

You said, " In any case, you will understand this principle only after you have achieved shat-chakra bhedan through yoga meditation. "

Please enligthen me on why only those who have attained shat-chakra bhedan can fully understand this principle? Why not others who are at similar level without going through shat-chakra bhedan? Maybe crown chakra of these souls is already open based on souls' progress in their last lives, and they don't need to specifically attain this in this life (by saying this I don't mean that they don't need to do bhakti, meditation anymore)? Maybe there are souls who are following some other path, which is as divine as the one you mentioned, and they understand these truths without even learning astrology.

I'm NOT trying to digress--just in case it sounds like digression. I'm simply trying to understand why only one path can show you the truth, why not other?

Have I misunderstood your point? Please let me know.

Promila

..

September 5, 2007

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Visti, Namaskar

Can you share Donald Trump's birth details

if you have please?

thanks

Ramesh

visti

Sent by: sohamsa

08/31/2007 08:45 AM

Please respond to

sohamsa

To

sohamsa

cc

Subject

Re: Re: Jupiter as AK (to

Visti, Tijanaji, Nitish and v_reality)

हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Thank you for your reply.

Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like saying that Rahu is Durga. Using

that equation we could say that Aditya, Shiva and Agni are all Surya...

Taking a line from your mail we are actually saying that Vishnu being an

aditya is Surya? Obviously both of us know better than that.

See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and this corresponds

to the nakshatras. The grahas through their transit of the nakshatras are

actually eclipsing them and thus certain forms of devatas come as indicating

by 1) the graha eclipsing. 2) the nakshatra it eclipses. Since nakshatras

are the basis of the rasi chart, we can find based on the state of a graha

the actual devata represented by it. But its only a representation as the

Grahas themselves are not devatas.

The graha which 'represents' the bondage of ahamkara is

Surya, just as the graha representing the bondage of the mind is Moon.

And among those born with Surya as atmakaraka we have grades of those being

fully engrossed in ahamkara vs. having complete control of ahamkara. Divine

souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Sri Krishna being at

one end of the scale. With fellows like Donald Trump, Adolph Hitler (exalted

surya yuti AK) and others at the other end of the scale.

Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there are EIGHT

ways to look at God through which we can be freed. For the Ahamkara we

must look at God as Paramatman. This is the remedy itself. And the specific

form of Shiva who will help us realize this is Ishana for the Sun.

So please don't make the equation that everyone with Surya

atmakaraka is Paramatman. That would be quite delusional indeed... Infact

the concept of Paramatma is the means to which the Surya atmakaraka will

be freed of his/her ahamkara.

Looking forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT||

Dear Visti,

How do you prove that Ahamkara is represented by Surya ? Either you

mean to say that Lord Krishna represents Ahamkara going by Gita

Chapter 10 verse 21:

" Of the tweleve adityas I am vishnu, of all luminaries the radiant

Sun , of the seven Maruts I am marichi, and of the constellations I am

the Moon. "

Are you saying that Sura/Surya group of planets are lead by Surya as

Ahamkara?

Are you saying that the Vedas adoring Surya Narayan as a witness of

all actions (Sakshi) is an individuality creating Ahamkara Principle

and not an impersonal transcendental intelligence principle?

Please explain why Surya as Ahamkara should be referred to as

Paramatma, the soul of all and `Jagadaikha chakshusay', the eye of the

three worlds?

regards,

nitish

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti

wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear List, Namaskar

> Why hasn't anyone started talking about the eight bondages of the

atma?

> Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti (rahu), Akasha (guru),

Agni

> (mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and Prithvi (budha).

>

> And how these eight bondages map into the eight spokes of the kala

> chakra, which are simultaneously the eight spokes of the anahata chakra.

>

> Really any talk on the atma and its EIGHT karakas is futile without

any

> of this.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> Promila Chitkara wrote:

> > Hello Sharat,

> >

> > Do you not think that " serving others " comes naturally

only to a

> > handful people? There maybe people who want to serve their families;

> > however, that is not selfless service in the true sense of the

term.

> > Because we know very well that in happiness and contentment of

our

> > families lies our happiness and growth! So it's purely selfish.

> >

> > P

> >

> > Sharat <gidoc

> > sohamsa

> > Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:23:04 AM

> > Re: Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish

and

> > v_reality)

> >

> > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > Dear Sundeep,

> > Good observations, I was following this thread as well but really

> > found the ' ego ' bit coming in too quickly.

> > English words cant describe so well ' ahankar ' and ' aham' which

are

> > different and I agree that one cannot see this only in Sun AK.

However

> > as you say, Sun AK needs to learn to serve others as it does

not come

> > naturally to them. And you cant take ' I ' away from them so

easily

> > but perhaps if one wants to merge with Paramatma, then the '

I '

will

> > have to merge in to ' Him '.

> >

> > Best

> > Sharat

> >

> > -

> > ** vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent

> > *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa >

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:56 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji, Nitish and

> > v_reality)

> >

> > Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,

> >

> > I have been reading your exchange with interest in the hope of

> > learning something new, but I find myself disagreeing subtly

in the

> > essence of what you say. In fact, deep down in the exchange I

find

> > this statement made by " v_reality " which makes a lot

of sense

to me:

> > " Can this also be understood at a different level as the

effacement

> > of 'self' in a spiritual sense? " .

> >

> > Here is my take - I have none of the scriptural knowledge you

both

> > have, only I have seen several Sun AK people: I dont think it

is

> > fair to say that Sun AK people are egotistic. See, English

also has

> > a lot of words which have subtly different meanings, and the

right

> > one has to be used. An egotistic person is one who has a

exaggerated

> > sense of self-importance. Almost everyone in this world has that

> > (and you are fooling yourself if you deny it), it is plain

wrong to

> > observe a person have Sun AK and simultaneously observe that

he also

> > has an exaggerated sense of self importance and say " yes,

that is

> > what the Sun AK does to him " . I can cite hundreds of people

I know

> > who are very self important and DONT have Sun AK, and not only

that

> > may not even have a strong Sun in their chart.

> >

> > I personally think the only statement that can be observed

> > repeatedly with Sun AK people is that they are egocentric i.e.

their

> > view of the world is based on the individual rather than the

> > society. They may or may not be egotistical (i.e.

egocentricity does

> > not imply self importance) - the AK simply makes them go through

> > experiences in life such that their core self is tested. How

they

> > respond to it depends probably on lots of other astrological

> > factors. The only statement I can safely make, based on pure

> > experience, is that Sun AK people are guided to divinity through

> > experiences of the self, consequently their view is egocentric.

> >

> > I know one Sun AK woman (dont know if I can share her data)

who was

> > molested (by her own professor) and denied a higher degree

that she

> > worked hard for, then get married and then divorced, then have

her

> > mom die of cancer in a rather painful way, then have her

brother get

> > divorced in a messy lawsuit (and then leave her too), then

(she) get

> > married again and her husband develop terminal cancer very soon

> > afterward. Net result: she cant seem to find a strong and

consistent

> > support outside of herself - she has become self reliant and

only

> > finds consistent happiness in meditation/reiki. She is probably

> > egotistical in some degree too, but not in any outstanding way

at

> > all, and probably much less than all the people around her..

> >

> > Consequently, I really dispute the fact that Sun AK people must

> > learn to " reduce their ego " . That is simply a general

lesson

for all

> > of mankind. Sun AK people's AK will guide them towards divinity

> > through experiences that make them focus on themselves and search

> > for the truth: now that's the statement I find much more to the

> > point.

> >

> > Comments?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

nix nixen <nix_nixen@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > Dear Nitish,

> > > Only from one simple statement of yours " It is not

always

> > possible for me... " i read that your AK must be nothing

less than

> > Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i think i`m on the right way of

> > finding answers on my queries.

> > > Warm regards,

> > > Tijana

> > >

> > > yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya@ ...> wrote:

> > > Dear Tijana,

> > > Raja Yoga is the yoga of soul with paramatma - deep/shallow,

> > > material/spiritual - all kind of things have a basis only

in

> > > paramatma. Thus, even Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis i.e.

separation

> > of

> > > soul from paramatma (which is illusory only though) and

hence

> > > material/spiritual loss depending on the kind of karma involved.

> > >

> > > As the lord of a sign, a planet rules a 12th part of the

> > > consciousness, relatively . Thus, in part, it becomes

its

> > > responsibility to guide the affairs of that sign/house towards

> > > fulfillment. You may explore it further.

> > >

> > > It is not always possible for me to answer to your specific

> > queries.

> > > Hopefully, in time, you will discover the truth of your

queries.

> > >

> > > best regards,

> > > nitish

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

" tijanadamjanovic "

<nix_nixen@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > Yes, all must serve. The questions raised in these

discussions

> > on Atma

> > > > karakas were on the specific way of serving.

> > > > If we say that Sun AK must learn principles of artha

shastra to

> > serve,

> > > > the same stands for Ma and Ju AK? How to differentiate?

I

assume

> > you

> > > > are taking karakatvas of the houses into account also

(2nd, 6th,

> > 10th)?

> > > > The Sun/Raja gets service on the throne, but regarding

> > spirituality

> > > > and Atma this is related to real Raja yoga whose deepest

meaning

> > is

> > > > inseparable from 10th house of indriyas (refer Vivekananda)

..

> > Only in

> > > > that sense we can talk of Janaka or the perfect King.

What

artha

> > > > shastra principles you had in mind?

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > Tijana

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

" yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > >

> > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably

had in

mind

> > > > > > mentioning Gita in this context.

> > > > >

> > > > > Context that was intended is Gita Chapter 3,sloka

22.

> > > > >

> > > > > All must work if the lord of the cosmos has chosen

to work.

> > Thus,

> > > > > there is nothing specific that only SUN AK has

to

" serve " , all

> > AKs

> > > > > " serve " .

> > > > >

> > > > > > But, are you implying that Sun AK gives a

person akin to

> > Janaka?!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, Sun AK gives a person akin to Janaka - jivanmukta

-

> > provided

> > > > > enough effort has been put in.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Are you determing dharma based on this?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, Sun AK need not be 9th lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Will you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra

as an

> > example!

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes.

> > > > > The attitude of service is seen from 6th house.

Leo being a

> > dharma

> > > > > trikona sign fulfills its purpose of service through

10th

> > house of

> > > > > Artha, which is 6th from it. So a Sun AK should

learn

> > principles of

> > > > > artha shastra to serve.

> > > > >

> > > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do

is serving.

> > > > >

> > > > > All souls have to " Serve " only as there

is nothing else

to be

> > done

> > > > > in the three worlds because Krishna has already

achieved

> > everything

> > > > > that is there to achieve in the three worlds(refer

Gita).

> > Those who

> > > > > do not serve, are reborn to learn to serve, whatever

be

their

> > AK.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was

Sun AK in

lagna in

> > Dhanus

> > > > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish

giving by

itself).

> > > > > > But do you think it`s a coincidence that

His Master had

> > exalted

> > > > > Saturn in 9th

> > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why

even Swami

needed

> > these?

> > > > >

> > > > > One is not re-born after exhausting his karma/desires.

Thus,

> > > > > vivekananda (Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his

remaining

> > karma/

> > > > > desires with Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no

more

substance

> > to

> > > > > this than a past-life karmic relationship of the

two which

> > continued

> > > > > in this birth also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > NITISH

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

" tijana " <nix_nixen@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > Your elaboration would be even more brilliant

if you had

> > just answer

> > > > > > my question.

> > > > > > To fulfill ones own dharma is what you probably

had in

mind

> > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > Gita in this context. But, are you implying

that Sun AK

> > gives a

> > > > > > person akin to Janaka?! Are you determing

dharma based on

> > this? Will

> > > > > > you advise Sun AK people to take Dhartharastra

as an

> > example!

> > > > > > So, again, what Raja will hardly ever do

is serving.

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was

Sun AK in

lagna in

> > Dhanus

> > > > > > (extraordinary combination for unselfish

giving by

itself).

> > But do

> > > > > you

> > > > > > think it`s a coincidence that His Master

had exalted

Saturn

> > in 9th

> > > > > > bhava and Rahu AK? What do you think, why

even Swami

needed

> > these?

> > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

" yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat ||

> > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the thing that Raja will

hardly ever do?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Read up Gita, arthashastra and ancient

texts that show

> > what

> > > > > all a

> > > > > > > Raja has to do to ensure that his subjects

are protected

> > and

> > > > > progress

> > > > > > > on the upward evolutionary path. Look

at krishna, Janaka

> > and

> > > > > > > ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand

whatever

> > that " hardly

> > > > > > > ever do " equates to.

> > > > > > > Otherwise, going by your statement,

AK wouldn't do

> > anything

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > the king of the horoscope and the rest

of the

karakas (BK,

> > PiK,

> > > > > Puk,

> > > > > > > GK) i.e. his subjects will follow the

suit!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Actually, the mantra is " Shiva

jnane Jiva Seva " (serving

> > every

> > > > > > > being as the full manifestation of God)

that

Narendranath

> > > > > received

> > > > > > > from his Master Ramakrishna who had

Sun in Aquarius.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Being Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed

peculiar

sharpness

> > of

> > > > > > > perception and assimilation that empowered

him with

> > unusual power

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > pick up 'the gems' from the talks of

his Master.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as

compared to

others,

> > > > > easily

> > > > > > > 'see' the deep meaning in the words

of Sri Ramakrishna,

> > even

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > the Master told them in simple language

(Aq Sun), and

> > never as

> > > > > > > preaching.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With its dispositor Jupiter in Libra,

gradually Swami

> > > > > Vivekananda

> > > > > > > started assimilating tips and hints

on practical Vedanta

> > that

> > > > > could

> > > > > > > benefit individual and collective life

in the society.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " ...For spiritual persons

Sun as AK should be in

> > Jupiter`s

> > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > (Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s

very hard task... "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Putting up statements like you have

done is not

wise. Sri

> > > > > Yukteswar

> > > > > > > Giri, has Sun AK placed in Aries and

had attained

highest

> > level

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed

in Libra, it

could

> > be the

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > spiritual person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AK shows the spiritual power of a sign

over the rest of

> > the

> > > > > signs/

> > > > > > > planets in the chart and this spiritual

power manifests

> > through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > dispositor of AK and its sign placement.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

" tijana " <nix_nixen@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > Sun is the Self. Its qualities

are those of Raja

(karaka

> > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > first house, lord of the 5th, dig

bala in 10th).

What is

> > the

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > that Raja will hardly ever do?

The lesson that has

to be

> > learnt

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Sun AK is serving, in the highest

sence it gives

" Shiva

> > jnane

> > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > seva " (service of man as God)-the

divine lesson

given to

> > us by

> > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual

persons Sun as AK

> > should be

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...),

otherwise it`s very

> > hard task.

> > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > <sohamsa%40>,

" v reality " <reality_v@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bojan-ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thank you for your reply.

Much appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > If I may ask another query

re Sun AK. The lesson

to be

> > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Sun AK,

> > > > > > > > > is the reduction of ego. Can

this also be understood

> > at a

> > > > > > > > different level

> > > > > > > > > as the effacement of 'self'

in a spiritual sense?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Bojan Vidakovic

<janbovid@>

> > > > > > > > > >sohamsa@

..com

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > >sohamsa@

..com

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > >Re:

Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007

08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > > > > > > > > >Dear Su

> > > > > > > > > >I would add that with

Gu AK person have to be very

> > humble to

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > >techers and natives, like

priests, gurus, teachers.

> > With Ma

> > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > person must

> > > > > > > > > >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence)

, with Ch the

native is

> > always

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > caring,

> > > > > > > > > >and gives emotions but

the problem is that they

never

> > get

> > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >themselves from other

people. The person must learn

> > lessons

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > >people represented with

AK. Ch / mother, Sy /

father

> > and

> > > > > > > > everything those

> > > > > > > > > >grahas represent.

> > > > > > > > > >Take few examples of people

you know and see it in

> > praxix.

> > > > > Best

> > > > > > > > wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >Bojan

> > > > > > > > > >Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Person should use a lot

of glass and sing/hum

> > melodies.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center

Guru

> > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.

com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > v reality napisaÅ‚(a):

Dear Rafalji/Members

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is an interesting

discussion. Could we

discuss

> > other

> > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > too. I read

> > > > > > > > > > in an article that natives

with Moon as AK need to

> > learn

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > >caring

> > > > > > > > > > and loving to others.

But I know of a chart where

> > the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > >by

> > > > > > > > > > nature very caring, loving

and concerned about

> > others

> > > > > since

> > > > > > > > young. So

> > > > > > > > > >what

> > > > > > > > > > is the lesson to be learnt?

> > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > Su

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme@ wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > > > >sohamsa@

..com

> > > > > > > > > > >sohamsa@

..com

> > > > > > > > > > >Re:

Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > >Wed, 22 Aug

2007 10:24:14 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Dear LN Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >With Ju AK person

should learn to respect others

> > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > >should be ready to

learn from others. When Ju

is in

> > > > > kendra to

> > > > > > > > AK or is

> > > > > > > > > >AK

> > > > > > > > > > >himself

then native thinks that he knows

everything

> > and

> > > > > now

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > can share

> > > > > > > > > > >His knowledge with

everybody. Good teachers of

> > course

> > > > > comes

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > >AK-Jupiter- Natives,

as this graha will be

> > naturally in

> > > > > > > > Karakamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >With MA AK person

should learn to catalyze

energies

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > > ZEN, TAI-CHI

> > > > > > > > > >or

> > > > > > > > > > >other techniques,

while with JU AK person should

> > learn to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > more humble

> > > > > > > > > > >regarding knowledge.

Of course person can be

> > focused on

> > > > > > > Jupiter-

> > > > > > > > karakas

> > > > > > > > > > >like kids, spirituality,

law, luck etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Mahadasa of AK brings

lesson to us so its not so

> > easy

> > > > > > > > materially but

> > > > > > > > > > >inspiring spiritually,

so if Surya is in good

> > placement

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > then it

> > > > > > > > > >can

> > > > > > > > > > >be not so bad as

person is spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > >Sri Jagannath Center

Guru

> > > > > > > > > > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT)

com

> > > > > > > > > > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.

com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >narender kumar napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > > > >>Kindly throw

some light on Jupiter as

> > > > > > > > > > >>Atmakaraka and

having Jupiter as mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Respectful Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >>LN Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > >>

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हरे राम कृष्ण॥

Dear Nitish, Namaskar

Thank you for your reply.

You wrote:

Gita is the commentary of Parampara of Sri Krishna - Arjuna,

which

includes everybody that practices the sohamsa mantra yajna. Thus, you

can benefit by reading it as it is the only living parampara till

date.

Visti: Why does it include those who practice the

sohamsa-mantra yajna?

The Gita revived the Parampara's through Adi Shankara,

as he was the one who brought it to the world, and it is one of his

bhasyas. But the Gita itself is not a parampara, but the cause of all

the other paramparas to exist. Each Shankaracharya Mutt is a Parampara

in itself and continues to preach the vedas.

Your statement denounces the importance of these Mutts.

Are you practicing the Sohamsa mantra-yajna through Sri Sri Ravi

Shankar? He was taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and its well known that

the origin of Maharishi is the Jyotirmutt, thus making your Parampara

the same.

You wrote:

A person who isn't fit to distinguish between what he ought or

ought not to do; do you think he is fit to practice spirituality? Sri

Krishna is not really telling arjuna to practice materiality anyways.

If you don't understand the role of buddhi from this

sloka, Gita is

full of slokas that talk about buddhi as a spiritual faculty (Sun),

unlike Ahamkara (Rahu).

Visti: How can I know what Krishna meant? Thats why i

cited Adi Shankaras commentary, and now you are giving your own

commentary. Should i believe in your commentary or that of Adi Shankara?

You are equating Buddhi with a spiritual faculty, and

this is your basis for equating Buddhi with the Sun. Your intent is

clear in this.

Then why didn't you equate Buddhi with Jupiter or Ketu? Surely Ketu is

much more spiritual than Sun.

Chapter 3 sloka 1:

Arjuna asks:

"If Buddhi is greater than karma, Janardana

Then why give me the order to be in this intense fight?"

Chapter 3 sloka 42:

Sri Krishna replies:

"In the body the senses are superior

>From the senses the mind is greater

>From the mind the intellect (buddhi) is superior and

Beyond the intellect is the Atman as the witness"

Visti: The word used in this sloka is not 'witness' but

'superior'. Also the word 'Atma' is not from the translation, but from

Shankaracharyas commentary. The Atma is superior to the intellect, and

in this case it refers to Angirasa's definition of Antaratma, and is

called 'the self' according to Shankara.

Chapter 4 sloka 5 tells that many births of mine and yours

have

passed.

Chapter 6 sloka 43:

"Acquiring wisdom (BUDDHI-SAMYOGAM) revived from the previous body

thereafter he endeavors once again for perfection."

Visti: Again, just because a PURE buddhi enhances ones spiritual

efforts, it doesn't mean it is signified by the Sun.

> One could just as easily justify that since the main

cause of

> rebirth is Rahu, the stronger the bondage of Rahu, so also the

> stronger the bondage of Buddhi and thus the eclipse

> of the Sun/spirituality.

Do you still have doubts that Sun refers to Buddhi? Rahu (Ahamkara)

and Moon (manas) don't make spiritual efforts.

Rahu cannot be considered to be wise, in this context, that its

"rebirth-causing-bondage-quality" be used to

achieve perfection and

liberation in this birth. It is only good at helping a rebirth, not

helping to liberate - thus it is not doing the function of Buddhi by

6:43.

Visti: I don't think my Jyotish Guru is wrong. Also how

do you justify that the bandhana has to be decided based on wisdom of

the graha?

Since when do Moon and Rahu not make spiritual efforts? Moon in eighth

house makes the person meditate and perform kundalini yoga, whilst Rahu

in tenth makes the person go on pilgrimages and visit tirthas. The Sun

doesn't even meditate, he just has faith and goes to temple. Its Ketu

who causes meditation, and its in the junction with Jupiter that he

does so through a Guru, and its junction with Venus does so

independently.

Again, the basis of this statement itself is doubtful,

due to which you would have to equate Ketu with Buddhi based on your

statements. Based on what you have written how can you classify Buddhi

as a Bandhana?

Rahu is extremely useful at helping liberation... In fact i can justify

how each planet can help liberation, but thats not a fair basis for

justifying their Bandhanas.

How many of the 6 billion people, all born due to

Rahu-bond are

using this birth to make a spiritual effort?

Visti: How about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa? How about

Srila Prabhupada? They are the causes of the largest spiritual missions

in India and abroad. I think they made great spiritual effort. They

have Rahu as atmakaraka!

Sun on the other hand causes problems with ahamkara in

the person.

Citing Sanjay Rath:

"Planets as ätmakäraka: 1. Sun as AK indicates

the native has to learn to overcome his ego and should become humble."

refer: http://srath.com/lessons/advanced/ak.htm

"Ahankära refers to its independent identity and is the false

ego (not Freud’s ego). This is false because the identity is not

permanent and it is an ego as it helps to identify the object and

differentiate it from the other bodies/creatures of its class or

family. This is represented by the Sun in astrology." refer: http://www.srath.com/lessons/advanced/ak2.htm

Visti: note the careful reference to ego not

being equated with Freud's understanding of Ego.

Chapter 7 verse 10:

"O Arjuna, try to understand me as the eternal origin of all living

entities. I am the (BuddhirBuddhiMataA

smi) intelligence in the

intelligent, and the brilliance of the brilliant."

Chapter 10 sloka 10:

"One who is always united with Me (see 6:18) and who meditates upon Me

with love -- I bestow him with buddhiyoga (meaning stillness) by

which, he is the one who attains Me."

Chapter 15 sloka 20:

(Etad Buddhva Buddhimaan syat KritaKrityascha bharata)

"Understand with your intelligence this most secret science that I

have explained to you and become wise, and thereupon be successful in

all your duties."

Chapter 18 sloka 30:

" One who knows engagement and withdrawal, work and work not to be

done, fear and non-fear, bondage and liberation -- this type of

(Buddhi) intellect is sattvic."

Rahu cannot be Sattvic!

Visti: Does that mean Sun can be tamasic? How about all

those who don't have satva budhi? Are you saying they don't have a

buddhi because its not satvic? Your justification doesn't hold water.

Chapter 18, sloka 57:

"Dedicate all action to Me from the (chetasa)heart, extinguish

wholly, be devoted to Me, take recourse in buddhi-yoga and keep your

consciousness always on Me."

18:30, 10:10 -- there is nothing like Ahamkara Yoga, but Buddhi-

Yoga. With Sun as ParamAtma, one would have a yoga with him as Buddhi.

Thus, if buddhi is all that important all along from 2nd to 18th

chapter, in Gita, lets understand it as a function of Surya with

Sattvic Buddhi.

Visti: If Satvic Budhi is the Sun, then is Sun also Tamasic/impure

Budhi? You are only dealing with the highest aspect of Buddhi in these

slokas, and not speaking of Buddhi as a bandhana.

Since our entire discussion revolves around Sun, Moon and Rahu which

are the causes of the eclipse, i will quote a translation of

Dakshinamurti Stotra:

rähugrastadiväkarendusadåço

mäyäsamäcchädanät sanmätraù karaëopasaàharaëato yo'bhütsuñuptaù

pumän |

prägasväpsamiti prabodhasamaye yaù

pratyabhijïäyate tasmai çrégurumürtaye nama idaà çrédakñiëämürtaye

|| 6||

The Sun (atma) is eclipsed when

the Moon (Mana) conjoins it and the Moon is in the latitude as the

orbital plane of the earth where the intersection points are the nodes

(Rahu & Ketu). It is this Rahu that is said to cause the eclipse.

Simiarly, the Rahu of our lives is our own desires and sice Rahu is a

node of the Moon (mana), the desires are the creation of the mind. It

is the coming together or conjunction of the atma (Sun), mana (Moon)

and desires (Rahu) that causes an eclipse or birth itself.

Visti:

The key lies in this, namely that Rahu being a node of the Moon is the

cause of desires created in the mind, and very much deals with the mind.

Further; ATMA means self. There are three types of atma

according to Angirasa, namely: Atma, Antaratma and Paramatma. The first

is the body itself and its senses. The second is the abode of the

individual soul or Jeevatma, and finally the Paramatma is God.

So when Parasara and other seers stated that the Sun is the

atma, they also refer to the entire gamut of definitions of the self.

Ahamkara is a function of 'thinking' one is the self, and is the

bondage that caused the Jeevatma to separate from the Paramatma to

begin with! This is defined in the cosmology where the ahamkara merged

with the various Gunas to cause the bhutas, etc. to manifest.

Looking forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM TAT SAT ||

Dear Visti,

Gita is the commentary of Parampara of Sri Krishna - Arjuna, which

includes everybody that practices the sohamsa mantra yajna. Thus, you

can benefit by reading it as it is the only living parampara till

date.

> Visti: I don't have this translation. Is this an inference?

> The last two words used here are: buddhinaashaat-praNashyati

=

> destruction of buddhi causes one to be lost/dissapear/vanish/

perish. > Did you infer that it was spirituality which perished? To

this Adi

> Shankara comments: /Indeed, a man continues to be himself so long

as > his mind remains fit to distinguish between what he ought to

and

> ought not to do./

A person who isn't fit to distinguish between what he ought or

ought not to do; do you think he is fit to practice spirituality? Sri

Krishna is not really telling arjuna to practice materiality anyways.

If you don't understand the role of buddhi from this sloka, Gita is

full of slokas that talk about buddhi as a spiritual faculty (Sun),

unlike Ahamkara (Rahu).

Chapter 3 sloka 1:

Arjuna asks:

"If Buddhi is greater than karma, Janardana

Then why give me the order to be in this intense fight?"

Chapter 3 sloka 42:

Sri Krishna replies:

"In the body the senses are superior

>From the senses the mind is greater

>From the mind the intellect (buddhi) is superior and

Beyond the intellect is the Atman as the witness"

Chapter 4 sloka 5 tells that many births of mine and yours have

passed.

Chapter 6 sloka 43:

"Acquiring wisdom (BUDDHI-SAMYOGAM) revived from the previous body

thereafter he endeavors once again for perfection."

> One could just as easily justify that since the main cause of

> rebirth is Rahu, the stronger the bondage of Rahu, so also the

> stronger the bondage of Buddhi and thus the eclipse

> of the Sun/spirituality.

Do you still have doubts that Sun refers to Buddhi? Rahu (Ahamkara)

and Moon (manas) don't make spiritual efforts.

Rahu cannot be considered to be wise, in this context, that its

"rebirth-causing-bondage-quality" be used to achieve perfection

and

liberation in this birth. It is only good at helping a rebirth, not

helping to liberate - thus it is not doing the function of Buddhi by

6:43.

How many of the 6 billion people, all born due to Rahu-bond are

using this birth to make a spiritual effort?

Chapter 7 verse 10:

"O Arjuna, try to understand me as the eternal origin of all living

entities. I am the (BuddhirBuddhiMataAsmi) intelligence in the

intelligent, and the brilliance of the brilliant."

Chapter 10 sloka 10:

"One who is always united with Me (see 6:18) and who meditates upon Me

with love -- I bestow him with buddhiyoga (meaning stillness) by

which, he is the one who attains Me."

Chapter 15 sloka 20:

(Etad Buddhva Buddhimaan syat KritaKrityascha bharata)

"Understand with your intelligence this most secret science that I

have explained to you and become wise, and thereupon be successful in

all your duties."

Chapter 18 sloka 30:

" One who knows engagement and withdrawal, work and work not to be

done, fear and non-fear, bondage and liberation -- this type of

(Buddhi) intellect is sattvic."

Rahu cannot be Sattvic!

Chapter 18, sloka 57:

"Dedicate all action to Me from the (chetasa)heart, extinguish

wholly, be devoted to Me, take recourse in buddhi-yoga and keep your

consciousness always on Me."

18:30, 10:10 -- there is nothing like Ahamkara Yoga, but Buddhi-

Yoga. With Sun as ParamAtma, one would have a yoga with him as Buddhi.

Thus, if buddhi is all that important all along from 2nd to 18th

chapter, in Gita, lets understand it as a function of Surya with

Sattvic Buddhi.

regards,

Nitish

sohamsa ,

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> ??? ??? ??????

>

> Dear Nitish, Namaskar

> Thank you for your mail.

> You mention a Parampara below. Please provide the name of the

Parampara

> and its commentary for our benefit so we can read more. In

answering

> your points, i will be using the Gita's commentary by Adi Shankara

-

> translated by Svami Gambhirananda.

>

> /1.) About Buddhi:

> Chapter 2 sloka 52, 53 -->

> "When Buddhi penetrates beyond darkness of delusion, then you shall

> be indifferent about the matters heard and to-be-heard./

>

> /."

> "..Buddhi becoming securely anchored in soul bliss, one attains

yoga."

> /

>

> /Chapter 2 sloka 62,63 -->

> DECAY OF BUDDHI causes ANNIHILATION of spiritual life./

>

> Visti: I don't have this translation. Is this an inference? The

last two

> words used here are: buddhinaashaat-praNashyati = destruction

of

buddhi

> causes one to be lost/dissapear/vanish/perish. Did you infer

that

it was

> spirituality which perished? To this Adi Shankara comments: /

Indeed, a

> man continues to be himself so long as his mind remains fit to

> distinguish between what he ought to and ought not to do./

>

> /NOTE:- Jyotish tells us that Sprituality is related to Sun more

than

> Rahu, as seen in those with AK in kendra to Sun.

> /

>

> Visti: All eight of the bandhanas once tightened cause loss of

> spirituality, not just Buddhi. If a student has so much ahamkara

that he

> believes he knows everything, then he will not read books and

again

> spirituality is destroyed. If a one is fully engrossed in his/her

desire

> for procreation then again the spirituality is ruined. The latter

is

> explained in Chapter 2, sloka 60. So all eight bandhas cause this

> problem, and not just Buddhi.

>

> /Chapter 2 sloka 65 -->

> Buddhi of the blissful man soon becomes firmly established (in the

> self).

>

> Chapter 5 sloka 20 -->

> "The Knower of spirit, abiding in Supreme being, with STHIRA

BUDDHI,

> free from delusion, is thus neither jubiliant at pleasant

experiences

> nor downcast by unpleasant experiences./ /"/

>

> Visti: You are very right to give Buddhi such a high pedestal

among

the

> eight bandhas, because indeed the worst Bandha is that of Buddhi

just as

> Rahu is the main karaka for all Bandhana of the soul. Overcoming

this,

> all the other bandhas break easily. This is the reason Rahu is the

main

> cause of rebirth. This is why the Shiva purana (Satirudrasamhita)

states

> that the Shiva form who is able to control the bondage of Rahu is

> Pashupati. Shiva then explains that Pashupati is responsible for

> breaking all wordly bondages (pashupAshanikR^intanaM).

> According to Shiva, Ishana is the form of Shiva which controls

Surya.

> More below.

>

> /2.) About AHAMKARA:

> Chapter 2 sloka 71 -->

> "That person realizes peace who, relinquishing all desires, exists

> without craving and is UNIDENTIFIED WITH AHAMKARA (mortal ego) and

> its sense of mine-ness."/

>

> Visti: Adi Shankara comments that this actually refers to one

becoming

> one with Brahman i.e. enlightenment. Among the forms of Shiva

which

> specifically give this enlightenment (sandIpayajjagatsarvam -

enlightens

> the entire universe), we see that the form of Ishana is talked

about.

> Note that the word used is /SandIpa/, and this happens to be the

Guru of

> Sri Krishna (SandIpani).

> However, this sloka from the Gita is not strictly for ahamkara,

but

for

> all the eight bandhas.

>

> /3.) About MANAS JOINED WITH BUDDHI:

> Chapter 2 sloka 51:

> "Those whose minds are joined to wisdom (BUDDHI-YUKTA)/ /,

having

> abandoned action's fruit, Freed thus from bondage to rebirth, they

> attain the state beyond sorrow."

>

> Also refer Chapter 13 slokas 1 - 11:

>

> "...Indifference to sense objects, And absence of egotism

> (NIRHAMKARA)/ /;...Constant evenmindedness in Desired and

undesired

> events...With single-minded yoga,...Constant in knowledge of the

Self,

> Seeing the goal of truth-knowledge--

> This is said to be true knowledge.

> The contrary is ignorance."

>

> Chapter 8 sloka 9 refers

> "He who meditates on the Seer, the Ruler, The ancient, subtler than

> the atom, support Of all, Whose form is inconceivable and RADIANT

> LIKE THE SUN and beyond darkness."

>

> This proves beyond doubt and questioning the central role of

> BUDDHI in the spiritual growth of a devotee like ARJUNA. Now, this

> role is not played by AHAMKARA or MANAS independently.

> Thus, Sun as dispeller of darkness is the only correct assignment

of

> the role of Buddhi.

> /

>

> Visti: Your inference implies that only one of the eight bandhas

deal

> with spiritual growth or its lacking. One could just as easily

justify

> that since the main cause of rebirth is Rahu, the stronger the

bondage

> of Rahu, so also the stronger the bondage of Buddhi and thus the

eclipse

> of the Sun/spirituality. Thus for this reason we worship Sri

> Dakshinamurti on the day of the eclipse to be released from this

> Bandhana and get enighenment. This is what the Sadhu's practice.

>

> Note the word Buddhi is used in three different ways in the gita

> according to Adi Shankara and Gambhiranandas translation, viz. i)

buddhi

> as a bandha, ii) samatva buddhi (pure buddhi) and iii) buddhi as

> enlightenment, and cannot be mixed arbitrarily.

>

> /Getting back to the eightfold Prakriti, Sun (Buddhi), Moon (MANAS)

> and Rahu (Ahamkara) is the only correct version as per the

>

> GURU-SHISYA PARAMPARA

> from

> Sri Krishna-Arjuna/

>

> The reason why in Jyotish most associate the Sun with Ahamkara in

> general terms, is because of the story of Vivasvan and Sanjna

> (memory/recollection). In the story Vivasvans rays become so

bright, and

> he became so knowledgeable (and self absorbed) that Sanjna left

and

only

> left her shadow (false recollection) behind.

>

> He only could reunite with Sanjna once his father in-law reduced

the

> rays of Vivasvan, and he could himself take on a form that Sanjna

was

> pleased with.

> So the story of Vivasvan/Surya tells us about this nature of

Ahamkara.

>

> Looking forward to your reply.

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti <visti

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://

srigaruda.com

> <http://srigaruda.com>

>

> yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> >

> > || OM TAT SAT||

> > Dear Visti,

> > Lets look at what Sri Krishna tells Arjuna in Gita about

Buddhi,

> > Manas and Ahamkara.

> >

> > 1.) About Buddhi:

> > Chapter 2 sloka 52, 53 -->

> > "When Buddhi penetrates beyond darkness of delusion, then you

shall

> > be indifferent about the matters heard and to-be-heard.."

> > "..Buddhi becoming securely anchored in soul bliss, one

attains

yoga."

> >

> > Chapter 2 sloka 62,63 -->

> > DECAY OF BUDDHI causes ANNIHILATION of spiritual life.

> >

> > NOTE:- Jyotish tells us that Sprituality is related to Sun

more

than

> > Rahu, as seen in those with AK in kendra to Sun.

> >

> > Chapter 2 sloka 65 -->

> > Buddhi of the blissful man soon becomes firmly established

(in the

> > self).

> >

> > Chapter 5 sloka 20 -->

> > "The Knower of spirit, abiding in Supreme being, with STHIRA

BUDDHI,

> > free from delusion, is thus neither jubiliant at pleasant

experiences

> > nor downcast by unpleasant experiences."

> >

> > 2.) About AHAMKARA:

> > Chapter 2 sloka 71 -->

> > "That person realizes peace who, relinquishing all desires,

exists

> > without craving and is UNIDENTIFIED WITH AHAMKARA (mortal

ego) and

> > its sense of mine-ness."

> >

> > 3.) About MANAS JOINED WITH BUDDHI:

> > Chapter 2 sloka 51:

> > "Those whose minds are joined to wisdom (BUDDHI-YUKTA),

having

> > abandoned action's fruit, Freed thus from bondage to rebirth,

they

> > attain the state beyond sorrow."

> >

> > Also refer Chapter 13 slokas 1 - 11:

> >

> > "...Indifference to sense objects, And absence of egotism

> > (NIRHAMKARA);...Constant evenmindedness in Desired and

undesired

> > events...With single-minded yoga,...Constant in knowledge of

the

Self,

> > Seeing the goal of truth-knowledge--

> > This is said to be true knowledge.

> > The contrary is ignorance."

> >

> > Chapter 8 sloka 9 refers

> > "He who meditates on the Seer, the Ruler, The ancient,

subtler

than

> > the atom, support Of all, Whose form is inconceivable and

RADIANT

> > LIKE THE SUN and beyond darkness."

> >

> > This proves beyond doubt and questioning the central role of

> > BUDDHI in the spiritual growth of a devotee like ARJUNA. Now,

this

> > role is not played by AHAMKARA or MANAS independently.

> > Thus, Sun as dispeller of darkness is the only correct

assignment

of

> > the role of Buddhi.

> >

> > Getting back to the eightfold Prakriti, Sun (Buddhi), Moon

(MANAS)

> > and Rahu (Ahamkara) is the only correct version as per the

> >

> > GURU-SHISYA PARAMPARA

> > from

> > Sri Krishna-Arjuna

> >

> > regards,

> > Nitish

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>,

> > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ??? ??? ??????

> > >

> > > Dear Nitish, Namaskar

> > > Thank you for this mail.

> > > I will be answering the main points of your mail. The

main

points

> > being

> > > the foundation of the facts/statements you present.

> > >

> > > /You wrote:

> > > So lets begin with Eightfold-Prakriti of Krishna, your

reference

> > > point itself is incorrect. Gita Chapter 7 sloka 4

states:...

> > > /

> > >

> > > I cannot disagree, as i had wrongly written prakriti

instead of

> > buddhi.

> > > Siva purana confirms this:

> > > */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,4/*

> > > /Prakriti /comprises of buddhi, ahamkara, gunaatmaka and

> > panchatanmatra.

> > > All these combined are called Prakriti.

> > >

> > > /You wrote:

> > > Neither the five tattwas, Buddhi nor Manah can be

assigned to

Rahu

> > > and thus Ahamkara is the only thing that can logically

be

assigned

> > to

> > > Rahu. So the correct version of eightfold representation

of

Prakriti

> > > is:...

> > > /

> > >

> > > Mana and Buddhi can indeed both be attributed to Rahu,

as Rahu

is

> > well

> > > known to show the desires of the mind. Here the

Parampara comes

to

> > our

> > > help and specifically defines Buddhi to be assigned to

Rahu,

> > whereas

> > > Mana and Ahamkara have been assigned to Moon and Sun

respectively.

> > So

> > > why does Sun represent Ahamkara?

> > > aham = self. kaara=causative/doer. The cause of

self in other

words.

> > > Monier Williams translates this as:

> > > /m. conception of one's individuality ,

self-consciousness

ChUp. & c.

> > > the making of self , thinking of self , egotism MBh.

& c./

> > >

> > > Where Rahu caused the desire which led to rebirth, it is

a given

> > that

> > > the Sun is the actual creator of everything, and with

that

creation

> > the

> > > ahamkaara is one of the negative effects of the same.

But this

is

> > just

> > > my justification the traditions teachings.

> > >

> > > /You wrote:

> > > There is ONLY ONE bondage and not Eight of them.

Ahamkara

doesn't

> > > cause bondage of atma as you have written, but Karma

alone

causes

> > > bondage of atma, and is not a part of eightfold-prakriti

referred

> > > above. Refer Gita Chapter 2 verse 39 as follows:

> > > /

> > >

> > > The sloka you qoute is right, but your inference...

Heres what

Siva

> > > Purana says:/

> > > /

> > >

> > > */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,2/*

> > > Because of remaining in eight types of bandhana, the

soul is

called

> > > /Jeeva/. When a person is freed from these bondages, the

person

is

> > > called /Mukta.

> > > /

> > >

> > > /*Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,3*

> > > /Emancipation is the control of these bondages of

prakriti etc.

One

> > > trapped in these is called /Jeeva/, and one freed from

them is

> > called

> > > /Mukta./

> > >

> > > */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,4/*

> > > /Prakriti /comprises of buddhi, ahamkara, gunaatmaka and

> > panchatanmatra.

> > > All these combined are called Prakriti.

> > >

> > > */Siva Purana, Vishvesvara Samhita,5/*

> > > These eight bondages are the body. The activities of

this body

are

> > > called the /karmas/.

> > >

> > > Later in sloka 8 Suta explains that due to karmas the

soul is

bound

> > by

> > > these eight bondages. So these are indeed the bondages

and they

are

> > > created due to Karma. The issue being that the bondages

themselves

> > can

> > > lead one to recreate the same karma again and again,

just as one

> > desire

> > > leads to a thousand more.

> > >

> > > /You wrote:

> > > ParamAtma is a collective of all the atmas. Concept of

Chara

> > > karakas is only indicative of the separate identity

(Ahamkara)

of

> > > soul in the realm of relationships - led by the AK as a

king

leads a

> > > kingdom. So AK has the job of understanding the realm of

> > > relationships with other atmas and thereby help the

attainment

of

> > > individuals' understanding of ParamAtma./

> > >

> > > Yes, once Sun atmakaraka's understand this within

themselves,

they

> > > should teach it to others.

> > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://

> > srigaruda.com

> > > <http://srigaruda.com

<http://srigaruda.com>>

> > >

> > > yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > Thanks for a good mail.

> > > >

> > > > > Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like

saying that Rahu is

> > Durga.

> > > >

> > > > How are you so sure about it? The question still

remains

> > unanswered

> > > > i.e. how do you prove that Surya represents

Ahamkara?

> > > >

> > > > > The graha which 'represents' the bondage of

ahamkara is

Surya.

> > > >

> > > > This brings up another question: i.e. if there is a

bondage of

> > > > Ahamkara at all?

> > > >

> > > > Ahamkar is referred in Gita chapter 3, verse 27 as

follows:

> > > >

> > > > "All activities are being enacted by the senses of

the

(Prakriti)

> > > > material nature without exception; but the

unrealized,

deluded by

> > > > (AhamKara) false identification of being the body,

thus

thinks:

> > "I am

> > > > the doer"

> > > >

> > > > > Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra), Prakriti

(rahu),

> > Akasha(guru),

> > > > > Agni(mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu

(shani) and Prithvi

(budha)

> > > >

> > > > So lets begin with Eightfold-Prakriti of Krishna,

your

reference

> > > > point itself is incorrect. Gita Chapter 7 sloka 4

states:

> > > >

> > > > "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, Manah, Buddhi, and

Ahamkara;

thus

> > > > these are the eightfold divisions of my Prakriti."

> > > >

> > > > Neither the five tattwas, Buddhi nor Manah can be

assigned to

Rahu

> > > > and thus Ahamkara is the only thing that can

logically be

> > assigned to

> > > > Rahu. So the correct version of eightfold

representation of

> > Prakriti

> > > > is:

> > > >

> > > > Buddhi (surya), Manah (chandra), Ahamkara (rahu),

Akasha(guru),

> > > > Agni(mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu (shani) and

Prithvi (budha)

> > > >

> > > > > Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there

are EIGHT ways

to

> > look

> > > > > at God through which we can be freed. For the

Ahamkara we

must

> > > > > look at God as Paramatman.

> > > >

> > > > There is ONLY ONE bondage and not Eight of them.

Ahamkara

doesn't

> > > > cause bondage of atma as you have written, but

Karma alone

causes

> > > > bondage of atma, and is not a part of

eightfold-prakriti

referred

> > > > above. Refer Gita Chapter 2 verse 39 as follows:

> > > >

> > > > "O Arjuna! What has been declared to you this

spiritual

> > intelligence

> > > > (Buddhih) according to the Samkhya (the path of

knowledge).

Now

> > > > listen to the teaching of Yoga (the path of

selfless action

> > combined

> > > > with devotion) by practising which the bondage of

Karma is

> > overcome."

> > > >

> > > > Also, Chapter 3 verse 9 verifies that Karma causes

bondage:

> > > >

> > > > "O son of Kunti! In this world all actions, unless

they are

done

> > as

> > > > an offering to God (or as Yajna), become causes of

bondage.

> > > > Therefore, work for the sake of God without

personal

attachments."

> > > >

> > > > Chapter 3 verse 31 cross-verfies it as follows:

> > > >

> > > > "Whoever follow this teaching of mine, with their

minds full

of

> > faith

> > > > and free from disparagement, they also are released

from the

> > bondage

> > > > of reactions from Actions (Karma)."

> > > >

> > > > That liberation is attained by knowing the correct

way of

acting

> > is

> > > > given in Chapter 4 verse 16:

> > > >

> > > > "What is (karma) action and what is (akarma)

'non-action', is

a

> > > > subject regarding which even the wise are

perplexed. I shall

> > > > therefore speak to you about (Karma)work, by

knowing which

one is

> > > > liberated from evil (or the life of bondage in

Samsara)"

> > > >

> > > > The reason for liberation is written as Chapter 5

verse 3:

> > > >

> > > > "It should be known, O mighty-armed one! That one

who neither

> > > > disdains nor desires fruits of actions, should be

known as one

> > > > established in renunciation. Certainly, that person

being free

> > from

> > > > all dualities is easily liberated from bondage."

> > > >

> > > > > For the Ahamkara we must look at God as

Paramatman. This is

the

> > > > > remedy itself. And the specific form of Shiva

> > > > > who will help us realize this is Ishana for

the Sun.

> > > >

> > > > Please understand that Ahamkara is not a disease

that we look

for

> > > > remedies to it. It is the eightfold prakriti of

Krishna.

> > Otherwise,

> > > > mind, buddhi, and pancha-tattwas will also need to

be

remedied.

> > > >

> > > > > And among those born with Surya as atmakaraka

we have

grades of

> > > > > those being fully engrossed in ahamkara vs.

having complete

> > control

> > > > > of ahamkara.

> > > > I am not sure what you mean by complete control of

Ahamkara,

> > > > because one who has complete control of his manas

and has

buddhi

> > > > devoted to Krishna - realizes his divine nature of

> > "AhamBrahmaAsmi"

> > > > and gets freed from the bondage of Karma.

> > > >

> > > > > Divine souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna

> > > > > Paramahamsa and Sri Krishna being at one end

of the scale.

With

> > > > > fellows like Donald Trump, Adolph Hitler

(exalted surya

yuti AK)

> > > > >and others at the other end of the scale.

> > > >

> > > > Liberation is caused by the development of

divine/demoniac

nature,

> > > > Chapter 16 Verse 5:

> > > >

> > > > "The divine nature is considered the cause of

liberation and

the

> > > > demoniac nature the cause of bondage. Grieve not, O

son of

Pandu!

> > You

> > > > are born of the divine nature."

> > > >

> > > > > So please don't make the equation that

everyone with Surya

> > > > > atmakaraka is Paramatman. That would be quite

delusional

> > indeed...

> > > >

> > > > Even as paramatman is Omnipresent, it is not

possible to say

that

> > > > any mortal being is apart from paramatman, whether

it be

Surya AK

> > in

> > > > a specific context. In any case, no such equation

about

> > > > Atmakaraka and Paramatma has been made by me.

> > > >

> > > > The only question asked is about how "Surya"

represents

Ahamkara,

> > > > devoid of any Chara Karaka Status whatsoever. You

should have

> > read my

> > > > mail more thoroughly to have not missed the point

that was

being

> > made.

> > > >

> > > > ParamAtma is a collective of all the atmas. Concept

of Chara

> > > > karakas is only indicative of the separate identity

(Ahamkara) of

> > > > soul in the realm of relationships - led by the AK

as a king

> > leads a

> > > > kingdom. So AK has the job of understanding the

realm of

> > > > relationships with other atmas and thereby help the

attainment of

> > > > individuals' understanding of ParamAtma.

> > > >

> > > > Finally, about the points you made:

> > > >

> > > > As proved earlier, Surya as representing Buddhi of

the eight-

fold

> > > > Prakriti of Krishna - is referred to as ParamAtma

in a chart

by

> > > > Jyotish Texts, whatever be the Chara AtmaKaraka.

That Buddhi/

> > > > intelligence in creatures is Krishna is verified by

Gita

Chapter

> > 10,

> > > > sloka 22:

> > > >

> > > > "Of the Vedas, I am the Sama Veda; among the Devas,

I am

Indra; of

> > > > the senses, I am the mind; and in living beings, I

am

> > intelligence."

> > > >

> > > > > See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and

this corresponds

to

> > the

> > > > > nakshatras.

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish tells that constellations are overlorded by

luminary

Moon

> > > > and Moon derives its luminosity from Sun.

Therefore, as a

> > consequence

> > > > the concept of devatas associated with the swarga of

> > constellations

> > > > is derived from the luminosity of the radiant Sun

and any

> > spiritual

> > > > blessings obtained by worshipping devatas of Swarga

loka are

> > easily

> > > > obtained by worshipping Sun as Paramatma.

> > > >

> > > > > Using that equation we could say that Aditya,

Shiva and

Agni are

> > > > > all Surya... Taking a line from your mail we

are actually

saying

> > > > > that Vishnu being an aditya is Surya?

> > > >

> > > > Yes. Surya as ParamAtma is only ONE and manifests

as

multitude of

> > > > Aditya, Shiva and Agni, depending upon the concept

you see him

> > > > aligned with, i.e. signs, or nakshatra or any other

divisions

> > > > respectively.

> > > >

> > > > > Obviously both of us know better than that.

> > > >

> > > > Now we do.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > nitish

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>,

> > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ??? ??? ??????

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nitish, Namaskar

> > > > > Thank you for your reply.

> > > > > Surely Surya is not Ahamkara, thats like

saying that Rahu is

> > Durga.

> > > > > Using that equation we could say that Aditya,

Shiva and

Agni are

> > > > all

> > > > > Surya... Taking a line from your mail we are

actually saying

> > that

> > > > Vishnu

> > > > > being an aditya is Surya? Obviously both of us

know better

than

> > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > See, the devatas reside in svarga loka and

this corresponds

to

> > the

> > > > > nakshatras. The grahas through their transit

of the

nakshatras

> > are

> > > > > actually eclipsing them and thus certain forms

of devatas

come

> > as

> > > > > indicating by 1) the graha eclipsing. 2) the

nakshatra it

> > eclipses.

> > > > > Since nakshatras are the basis of the rasi

chart, we can

find

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > the state of a graha the actual devata

represented by it.

But

> > its

> > > > only a

> > > > > representation as the Grahas themselves are

not devatas.

> > > > >

> > > > > The graha which 'represents' the bondage of

ahamkara is

Surya,

> > just

> > > > as

> > > > > the graha representing the bondage of the mind

is Moon. And

> > among

> > > > those

> > > > > born with Surya as atmakaraka we have grades

of those being

> > fully

> > > > > engrossed in ahamkara vs. having complete

control of

ahamkara.

> > > > Divine

> > > > > souls like Vivekananda, Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa and Sri

Krishna

> > > > being at

> > > > > one end of the scale. With fellows like Donald

Trump, Adolph

> > Hitler

> > > > > (exalted surya yuti AK) and others at the

other end of the

> > scale.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, to overcome these eight bondages, there

are EIGHT ways

to

> > look

> > > > at

> > > > > God through which we can be freed. For the

Ahamkara we must

> > look at

> > > > God

> > > > > as Paramatman. This is the remedy itself. And

the specific

form

> > of

> > > > Shiva

> > > > > who will help us realize this is Ishana for

the Sun.

> > > > >

> > > > > So please don't make the equation that

everyone with Surya

> > > > atmakaraka is

> > > > > Paramatman. That would be quite delusional

indeed... Infact

the

> > > > concept

> > > > > of Paramatma is the means to which the Surya

atmakaraka

will be

> > > > freed of

> > > > > his/her ahamkara.

> > > > > Looking forward to your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and articles

visit: http://

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> > > > >

> > > > > yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || OM TAT SAT||

> > > > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > > > How do you prove that Ahamkara is

represented by Surya ?

> > Either

> > > > you

> > > > > > mean to say that Lord Krishna represents

Ahamkara going by

> > Gita

> > > > > > Chapter 10 verse 21:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Of the tweleve adityas I am vishnu, of

all luminaries the

> > radiant

> > > > > > Sun , of the seven Maruts I am marichi,

and of the

> > constellations

> > > > I am

> > > > > > the Moon."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you saying that Sura/Surya group of

planets are lead

by

> > Surya

> > > > as

> > > > > > Ahamkara?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you saying that the Vedas adoring

Surya Narayan as a

> > witness

> > > > of

> > > > > > all actions (Sakshi) is an individuality

creating Ahamkara

> > > > Principle

> > > > > > and not an impersonal transcendental

intelligence

principle?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please explain why Surya as Ahamkara

should be referred

to as

> > > > > > Paramatma, the soul of all and

`Jagadaikha chakshusay',

the

> > eye

> > > > of the

> > > > > > three worlds?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > nitish

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > <sohamsa%40>,

> > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ??? ??? ??????

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear List, Namaskar

> > > > > > > Why hasn't anyone started talking

about the eight

bondages

> > of

> > > > the atma?

> > > > > > > Ahamkara (surya), Manas (chandra),

Prakriti (rahu),

Akasha

> > > > (guru), Agni

> > > > > > > (mangala), Jala (shukra), Vayu

(shani) and Prithvi

(budha).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And how these eight bondages map

into the eight spokes

of

> > the

> > > > kala

> > > > > > > chakra, which are simultaneously the

eight spokes of the

> > > > anahata chakra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Really any talk on the atma and its

EIGHT karakas is

futile

> > > > without any

> > > > > > > of this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yours sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> > > > > > > Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> > > > > > > email: visti@ <visti@>

> > > > > > > For consultations, free mp3's and

articles visit:

> > > > > > http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>

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> > srigaruda.com

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com <http://srigaruda.com>>>

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Promila Chitkara wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello Sharat,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you not think that "serving

others" comes naturally

> > only

> > > > to a

> > > > > > > > handful people? There maybe

people who want to serve

their

> > > > families;

> > > > > > > > however, that is not selfless

service in the true

sense of

> > > > the term.

> > > > > > > > Because we know very well that

in happiness and

> > contentment

> > > > of our

> > > > > > > > families lies our happiness and

growth! So it's purely

> > > > selfish.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sharat <gidoc@>

> > > > > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > Thursday, August 30, 2007

2:23:04 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re:

Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji,

> > Nitish

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > v_reality)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > > > > > Good observations, I was

following this thread as

well but

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > found the ' ego ' bit coming in

too quickly.

> > > > > > > > English words cant describe so

well ' ahankar ' and '

> > aham'

> > > > which are

> > > > > > > > different and I agree that one

cannot see this only in

> > Sun AK.

> > > > > > However

> > > > > > > > as you say, Sun AK needs to

learn to serve others as

it

> > does

> > > > not come

> > > > > > > > naturally to them. And you cant

take ' I ' away from

them

> > so

> > > > easily

> > > > > > > > but perhaps if one wants to

merge with Paramatma, then

> > the '

> > > > I '

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > have to merge in to ' Him '.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best

> > > > > > > > Sharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > ** vedicastrostudent

<vedicastrostudent@>

> > > > > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com

> > > > <sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > <sohamsa%40>>

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29,

2007 8:56 PM

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re:

Jupiter as AK (to Tijanaji,

> > Nitish

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > v_reality)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Tijanaji and Nitish,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been reading your

exchange with interest in the

> > hope of

> > > > > > > > learning something new, but I

find myself disagreeing

> > subtly

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > essence of what you say. In

fact, deep down in the

> > exchange I

> > > > find

> > > > > > > > this statement made by

"v_reality" which makes a lot

of

> > sense

> > > > > > to me:

> > > > > > > > "Can this also be understood at

a different level as

the

> > > > > > effacement

> > > > > > > > of 'self' in a spiritual

sense?".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here is my take - I have none

of the scriptural

knowledge

> > you

> > > > both

> > > > > > > > have, only I have seen several

Sun AK people: I dont

> > think it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > fair to say that Sun AK people

are egotistic. See,

English

> > > > > > also has

> > > > > > > > a lot of words which have

subtly different meanings,

and

> > the

> > > > right

> > > > > > > > one has to be used. An

egotistic person is one who

has a

> > > > > > exaggerated

> > > > > > > > sense of self-importance.

Almost everyone in this

world

> > has

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > (and you are fooling yourself

if you deny it), it is

plain

> > > > > > wrong to

> > > > > > > > observe a person have Sun AK

and simultaneously

observe

> > that

> > > > > > he also

> > > > > > > > has an exaggerated sense of

self importance and say

"yes,

> > > > that is

> > > > > > > > what the Sun AK does to him". I

can cite hundreds of

> > people I

> > > > know

> > > > > > > > who are very self important and

DONT have Sun AK, and

not

> > only

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > may not even have a strong Sun

in their chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I personally think the only

statement that can be

observed

> > > > > > > > repeatedly with Sun AK people

is that they are

egocentric

> > i.e.

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > view of the world is based on

the individual rather

than

> > the

> > > > > > > > society. They may or may not be

egotistical (i.e.

> > > > > > egocentricity does

> > > > > > > > not imply self importance) -

the AK simply makes them

go

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > experiences in life such that

their core self is

tested.

> > How

> > > > they

> > > > > > > > respond to it depends probably

on lots of other

> > astrological

> > > > > > > > factors. The only statement I

can safely make, based

on

> > pure

> > > > > > > > experience, is that Sun AK

people are guided to

divinity

> > > > through

> > > > > > > > experiences of the self,

consequently their view is

> > > > egocentric.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know one Sun AK woman (dont

know if I can share her

> > data)

> > > > > > who was

> > > > > > > > molested (by her own professor)

and denied a higher

degree

> > > > > > that she

> > > > > > > > worked hard for, then get

married and then divorced,

then

> > > > have her

> > > > > > > > mom die of cancer in a rather

painful way, then have

her

> > > > > > brother get

> > > > > > > > divorced in a messy lawsuit

(and then leave her too),

then

> > > > > > (she) get

> > > > > > > > married again and her husband

develop terminal cancer

very

> > > > soon

> > > > > > > > afterward. Net result: she cant

seem to find a strong

and

> > > > > > consistent

> > > > > > > > support outside of herself -

she has become self

reliant

> > and

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > finds consistent happiness in

meditation/reiki. She is

> > > > probably

> > > > > > > > egotistical in some degree too,

but not in any

outstanding

> > > > way at

> > > > > > > > all, and probably much less

than all the people around

> > her..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Consequently, I really dispute

the fact that Sun AK

people

> > > > must

> > > > > > > > learn to "reduce their ego".

That is simply a general

> > lesson

> > > > > > for all

> > > > > > > > of mankind. Sun AK people's AK

will guide them towards

> > > > divinity

> > > > > > > > through experiences that make

them focus on

themselves and

> > > > search

> > > > > > > > for the truth: now that's the

statement I find much

more

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Comments?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

nix nixen

<nix_nixen@

> > ..>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > > > Only from one simple

statement of yours "It is not

> > always

> > > > > > > > possible for me..." i read that

your AK must be

nothing

> > less

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > Sun. Am i right? If yes, then i

think i`m on the right

> > way of

> > > > > > > > finding answers on my queries.

> > > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yeeahoo_99

<nitish.arya@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > > > > Raja Yoga is the yoga of

soul with paramatma - deep/

> > shallow,

> > > > > > > > > material/spiritual - all

kind of things have a basis

> > only in

> > > > > > > > > paramatma. Thus, even

Raja-bhanga yoga has a basis

i.e.

> > > > > > separation

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > soul from paramatma (which

is illusory only though)

and

> > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > material/spiritual loss

depending on the kind of

karma

> > > > involved.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As the lord of a sign, a

planet rules a 12th part

of the

> > > > > > > > > consciousness, relatively

. Thus, in part, it

becomes

> > its

> > > > > > > > > responsibility to guide

the affairs of that sign/

house

> > > > towards

> > > > > > > > > fulfillment. You may

explore it further.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is not always possible

for me to answer to your

> > specific

> > > > > > > > queries.

> > > > > > > > > Hopefully, in time, you

will discover the truth of

your

> > > > queries.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > best regards,

> > > > > > > > > nitish

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sohamsa@

..com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijanadamjanovic"

> > > > > > <nix_nixen@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, all must serve.

The questions raised in these

> > > > discussions

> > > > > > > > on Atma

> > > > > > > > > > karakas were on the

specific way of serving.

> > > > > > > > > > If we say that Sun AK

must learn principles of

artha

> > > > > > shastra to

> > > > > > > > serve,

> > > > > > > > > > the same stands for

Ma and Ju AK? How to

> > differentiate? I

> > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > are taking karakatvas

of the houses into account

also

> > > > > > (2nd, 6th,

> > > > > > > > 10th)?

> > > > > > > > > > The Sun/Raja gets

service on the throne, but

regarding

> > > > > > > > spirituality

> > > > > > > > > > and Atma this is

related to real Raja yoga whose

> > deepest

> > > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > inseparable from 10th

house of indriyas (refer

> > > > Vivekananda) .

> > > > > > > > Only in

> > > > > > > > > > that sense we can

talk of Janaka or the perfect

King.

> > What

> > > > > > artha

> > > > > > > > > > shastra principles

you had in mind?

> > > > > > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

> > > > "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > || Om TAT SAT ||

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > To fulfill

ones own dharma is what you

probably

> > had in

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioning

Gita in this context.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Context that was

intended is Gita Chapter

3,sloka

> > 22.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All must work if

the lord of the cosmos has

chosen

> > to

> > > > work.

> > > > > > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > > > there is nothing

specific that only SUN AK has

to

> > > > > > "serve", all

> > > > > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > > > > "serve".

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But, are

you implying that Sun AK gives a

person

> > akin

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > Janaka?!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Sun AK

gives a person akin to Janaka -

> > jivanmukta -

> > > > > > > > provided

> > > > > > > > > > > enough effort

has been put in.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you

determing dharma based on this?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > No, Sun AK need

not be 9th lord.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Will you

advise Sun AK people to take

> > Dhartharastra

> > > > as an

> > > > > > > > example!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes.

> > > > > > > > > > > The attitude of

service is seen from 6th house.

Leo

> > > > being a

> > > > > > > > dharma

> > > > > > > > > > > trikona sign

fulfills its purpose of service

through

> > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > Artha, which is

6th from it. So a Sun AK should

> > learn

> > > > > > > > principles of

> > > > > > > > > > > artha shastra to

serve.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, again,

what Raja will hardly ever do is

> > serving.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > All souls have

to "Serve" only as there is

nothing

> > else

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > > > in the three

worlds because Krishna has already

> > achieved

> > > > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > > > > that is there to

achieve in the three

worlds(refer

> > > > Gita).

> > > > > > > > Those who

> > > > > > > > > > > do not serve,

are reborn to learn to serve,

> > whatever be

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > AK.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was Sun

AK

> > in

> > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > Dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > > >

(extraordinary combination for unselfish

giving by

> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > > > > > But do you

think it`s a coincidence that His

> > Master

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > exalted

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava and

Rahu AK? What do you think, why even

> > Swami

> > > > > > needed

> > > > > > > > these?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One is not

re-born after exhausting his karma/

> > desires.

> > > > Thus,

> > > > > > > > > > > vivekananda

(Rahu PiK) came here to exhaust his

> > > > remaining

> > > > > > > > karma/

> > > > > > > > > > > desires with

Ramakrishna (Rahu AK). There is no

more

> > > > > > substance

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > this than a

past-life karmic relationship of

the two

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > continued

> > > > > > > > > > > in this birth

also.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijana" <nix_nixen@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave

Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your

elaboration would be even more brilliant

if

> > you

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > just answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > my question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > To fulfill

ones own dharma is what you

probably

> > had in

> > > > > > mind

> > > > > > > > > > > mentioning

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gita in

this context. But, are you implying

that

> > Sun

> > > > AK

> > > > > > > > gives a

> > > > > > > > > > > > person akin

to Janaka?! Are you determing

dharma

> > > > based on

> > > > > > > > this? Will

> > > > > > > > > > > > you advise

Sun AK people to take

Dhartharastra as

> > an

> > > > > > > > example!

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, again,

what Raja will hardly ever do is

> > serving.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

Vivekananda` s Dharm bhava lord was Sun

AK

> > in

> > > > > > lagna in

> > > > > > > > Dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > > >

(extraordinary combination for unselfish

giving by

> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > But do

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > think it`s

a coincidence that His Master had

> > exalted

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava and

Rahu AK? What do you think, why even

> > Swami

> > > > > > needed

> > > > > > > > these?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Warm

regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

> > > > "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om

Tat Sat ||

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Tijana,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

What is the thing that Raja will hardly

ever

> > do?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Read

up Gita, arthashastra and ancient texts

> > that

> > > > show

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > all a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja

has to do to ensure that his subjects

are

> > > > protected

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > progress

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on the

upward evolutionary path. Look at

> > krishna,

> > > > Janaka

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

ChandraGupta Maurya and you will understand

> > whatever

> > > > > > > > that "hardly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ever

do" equates to.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Otherwise, going by your statement, AK

wouldn't

> > do

> > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

king of the horoscope and the rest of

the

> > > > > > karakas (BK,

> > > > > > > > PiK,

> > > > > > > > > > > Puk,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > GK)

i.e. his subjects will follow the suit!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Actually, the mantra is "Shiva jnane Jiva

> > > > Seva" (serving

> > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > being

as the full manifestation of God) that

> > > > > > Narendranath

> > > > > > > > > > > received

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

his Master Ramakrishna who had Sun in

> > Aquarius.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Being

Sun AK, Vivekananda had developed

peculiar

> > > > > > sharpness

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

perception and assimilation that empowered

him

> > with

> > > > > > > > unusual power

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pick

up 'the gems' from the talks of his

Master.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With

Sun in Sagittarius, he could, as

compared

> > to

> > > > > > others,

> > > > > > > > > > > easily

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 'see'

the deep meaning in the words of Sri

> > > > Ramakrishna,

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

Master told them in simple language (Aq

> > Sun),

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > never as

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

preaching.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With

its dispositor Jupiter in Libra,

gradually

> > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

started assimilating tips and hints on

practical

> > > > Vedanta

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

benefit individual and collective life in

the

> > > > society.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"...For spiritual persons Sun as AK

should be

> > in

> > > > > > > > Jupiter`s

> > > > > > > > > > > signs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

(Shiva jnane...), otherwise it`s very hard

> > > > task..."

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Putting up statements like you have done is

not

> > > > > > wise. Sri

> > > > > > > > > > > Yukteswar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Giri,

has Sun AK placed in Aries and had

> > attained

> > > > > > highest

> > > > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

spirituality. Even if Sun AK is placed in

> > Libra, it

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > be the

> > > > > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

spiritual person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > AK

shows the spiritual power of a sign over

the

> > > > rest of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > signs/

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

planets in the chart and this spiritual

power

> > > > manifests

> > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

dispositor of AK and its sign placement.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NITISH

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"tijana" <nix_nixen@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sun is the Self. Its qualities are those

of

> > Raja

> > > > > > (karaka

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

first house, lord of the 5th, dig bala in

> > 10th).

> > > > > > What is

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

that Raja will hardly ever do? The lesson

> > that has

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sun AK is serving, in the highest sence it

> > gives

> > > > > > "Shiva

> > > > > > > > jnane

> > > > > > > > > > > Shiva

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

seva" (service of man as God)-the divine

> > lesson

> > > > > > given to

> > > > > > > > us by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Vivekananda (Sun AK). For spiritual

persons

> > Sun

> > > > as AK

> > > > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jupiter`s signs (Shiva jnane...),

otherwise

> > it`s

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > hard task.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Tijana

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>,

"v

> > reality" <reality_v@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Dear Bojan-ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Thank you for your reply. Much

appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> If I may ask another query re Sun AK.

The

> > lesson

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > learnt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sun AK,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> is the reduction of ego. Can this also

be

> > > > understood

> > > > > > > > at a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

different level

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> as the effacement of 'self' in a

spiritual

> > > > sense?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Bojan Vidakovic <janbovid@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:33:22 -0700

(PDT)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Dear Su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >I would add that with Gu AK person

have to

> > be

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > humble to

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >techers and natives, like priests,

gurus,

> > > > teachers.

> > > > > > > > With Ma

> > > > > > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

person must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >practise Ahumsa (nonviolence) , with

Ch the

> > > > > > native is

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

caring,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >and gives emotions but the problem is

that

> > they

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >themselves from other people. The

person

> > must

> > > > learn

> > > > > > > > lessons

> > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >people represented with AK. Ch /

mother,

> > Sy /

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

everything those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >grahas represent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Take few examples of people you know

and

> > see

> > > > it in

> > > > > > > > praxix.

> > > > > > > > > > > Best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Bojan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > hraum namah adityaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Dear Su,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Person should use a lot of glass and

sing/

> > hum

> > > > > > > > melodies.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > v reality napisaÅ,(a): Dear Rafalji/

> > Members

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > This is an interesting discussion.

Could

> > we

> > > > > > discuss

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > AKs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

too. I read

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > in an article that natives with Moon

as AK

> > > > need to

> > > > > > > > learn

> > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >caring

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > and loving to others. But I know of a

> > chart

> > > > where

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

already

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > nature very caring, loving and

concerned

> > about

> > > > > > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

young. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > is the lesson to be learnt?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Su

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@

wp.pl>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >sohamsa@ .com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Re: Jupiter as AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:24:14 +0200

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Dear LN Kumar,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >With Ju AK person should learn to

respect

> > > > others

> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >tradition,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >should be ready to learn from others.

> > When Ju

> > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > > kendra to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

AK or is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >himself then native thinks that he

knows

> > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > now

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

can share

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >His knowledge with everybody. Good

> > teachers

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >AK-Jupiter- Natives, as this graha

will

> > be

> > > > > > > > naturally in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Karakamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >With MA AK person should learn to

> > catalyze

> > > > > > energies

> > > > > > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ZEN, TAI-CHI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >other techniques, while with JU AK

person

> > > > should

> > > > > > > > learn to

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

more humble

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >regarding knowledge. Of course person

> > can be

> > > > > > > > focused on

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jupiter-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

karakas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >like kids, spirituality, law, luck

etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Mahadasa of AK brings lesson to us

so its

> > > > not so

> > > > > > > > easy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

materially but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >inspiring spiritually, so if Surya

is in

> > good

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > AK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

then it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >be not so bad as person is spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >narender kumar napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>Dear Gurujans,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>Kindly throw some light on Jupiter

as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>Atmakaraka and having Jupiter as

> > mahadasha.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>Respectful Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>LN Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>__________ __ _________ _________

> > _________

> > > > > > > > _________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

_________ _

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>Take the Internet to Go: Go

puts

> > the

> > > > > > > > Internet in

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

pocket:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >mail,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>news, photos & more.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >>http://mobile.

<http://mobile./

> > <http://mobile./>

> > > > <http://mobile./

<http://mobile./>>

> > > > > > <http://mobile./ <http://mobile./>

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> > >>

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> > >>

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> >

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> > ____________ _________ _________

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> >

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