Guest guest Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Zoran, One thing I am finding difficult to understand. I have always heard that Lagna Lord will always protect the Lagna (is this a misconception?). But in the case of naidana amsa you are saying that the Graha can be fatal. Why does the Graha turn on its own house? Respectfully, Michal sohamsa , " amar " <ahimsa wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Reema, > Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in > Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you > observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is > from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will > be affected. > What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds > true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions. > Best wishes > Zoran > > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.com > jyotish blog at > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > reema_sriganesh > 4. listopad 2007 16:17 > sohamsa > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > Namaskaar Zoranji, > > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message > #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle > of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different > charts have made the concept clear. > > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words, > if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas? > > Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th > lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva > could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas? > > You said: > > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > > is afflicted. > > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should > check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If > yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we > should see a lot of health trouble? > > Thank you once again. > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > Reema. > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com, " amar " > <ahimsa@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to Navamsa or > > relates to those > > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are > deadly > > and cause serious > > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is > > normally good, excellent > > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena rashi > > being watery-impossible > > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if > Jupiter is in > > the process in Thula > > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer > particularly if > > Jupiter is Lagna Lord. > > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in > mind. > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > dasas of > > Trimsamsa, a person > > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted. > > best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu.com > > jyotish blog at > > <http://www.ahimsazr <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> 1.wordpress.com> > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com > [sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com] On > Behalf Of > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > > 3. listopad 2007 16:44 > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com; > @ <%40> > > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Zoran, > > > > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa > please? Do > > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka > > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this > > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good! > > > > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also > new. We > > have always associated it with wealth or finances. > > > > Thanks > > > > Ramesh > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com > [sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com] On > Behalf Of > > amar > > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM > > @ <%40> ; > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Dear Razdan, > > > > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable, > having in > > mind thula > > > > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi), which > > indicates > > > > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart). > Planets in > > 2nd from > > > > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra, > Shani and > > Rahu there, > > > > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here > > hammed in by Ketu,Shani > > > > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna > will > > cause heart > > > > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate > Chandra who is > > karaka for > > > > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal > will be > > active with > > > > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana > sthana is > > placed in Shani > > > > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that > Navamsa > > should be slightly > > > > changed putting Shani in 8th house. > > > > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva > > Keralam, and other > > > > classical jyotish texts. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Zoran > > > > _____ > > > > @ <%40> > > [@ <%40> > ] On > > Behalf Of pnrazdan > > 1. listopad 2007 9:50 > > @ <%40> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering > > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth > > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th > > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05) > > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my > > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest > > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is > > no bad aspect on the fourth house too. > > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but > > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech > > Bhang and would not have done so much harm. > > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have > > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna, > > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish > > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but > > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have > > starting doubting its role in prediction. > > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology > learners. > > Regards, > > P.N.Razdan > > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions > > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on > > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his > > loose talk. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 ....and what is bhagya? --- Sourav <souravc108 wrote: > || Hare Raama Krsna || > || Durgaa Saranam || > > Dear Michal, > Namaskar. When you bring > Navamsa into the > picture, it is all about whether or not God or > Dharma is supporting an > activity. Rasi chart is all about our reactions to > the world, what we > want to do and want to get. Rasi Navamsa combined > shows if your past > actions supports that or not. Recall neechabhanga. > Lagna lord indicates > your own intelligence driving for your identity. > Intelligence is not > enough. Bhagya is also needed. > > Best wishes, > Sourav > ================================================== > > > sohamsa , " Michal Dziwulski " > <nearmichal > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Zoran, > > > > One thing I am finding difficult to understand. I > have always heard > > that Lagna Lord will always protect the Lagna (is > this a > > misconception?). But in the case of naidana amsa > you are saying that > > the Graha can be fatal. Why does the Graha turn > on its own house? > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > sohamsa , " amar " ahimsa@ > wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > Dear Reema, > > > Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with > Surya in > > > Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, > if you > > > observe the house placement. When naidana amsa > is > > > from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas > will > > > be affected. > > > What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords > of > > > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It > holds > > > true in both house position and rashi to navamsa > positions. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran > > > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > www.siva-edu.com > > > jyotish blog at > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On > > Behalf Of > > > reema_sriganesh > > > 4. listopad 2007 16:17 > > > sohamsa > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart > Attack > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna || > > > > > > Namaskaar Zoranji, > > > > > > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana > Navamsa. In message > > > #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he > applies the > principle > > > of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his > use on two different > > > charts have made the concept clear. > > > > > > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira > Karaka? In other words, > > > if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say > that Father's > > > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate > dasas? > > > > > > Similarly, can we extend this to other > Bhaveshas? For instance, if > 4th > > > lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that > Mother's deha/jeeva > > > could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas? > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. > During these narayana > > > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall > seriously sick, if the sign > > > > is afflicted. > > > > > > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you > saying that we > should > > > check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if > it is afflicted? If > > > yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the > afflicted sign, we > > > should see a lot of health trouble? > > > > > > Thank you once again. > > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all, > > > Reema. > > > > > > sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com, > > " amar " > > > <ahimsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary > position from Rashi to > > Navamsa or > > > > relates to those > > > > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th > house. Such planets > are > > > deadly > > > > and cause serious > > > > defects mostly in health matters or jiva > aspects. Jupiter in > pisces is > > > > normally good, excellent > > > > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna > being fiery, and meena > > rashi > > > > being watery-impossible > > > > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like > Gandanta. Otherwise, if > > > Jupiter is in > > > > the process in Thula > > > > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health > would suffer > > > particularly if > > > > Jupiter is Lagna Lord. > > > > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena > not dhanu. Keep this > in > > > mind. > > > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. > During these narayana > > > dasas of > > > > Trimsamsa, a person > > > > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is > afflicted. > > > > best wishes > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > > > www.siva-edu.com > > > > jyotish blog at > > > > <http://www.ahimsazr > <http://www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > > 1.wordpress.com> > > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com > > > [sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com] > On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > > > > 3. listopad 2007 16:44 > > > > sohamsa@ > <sohamsa%40> .com; > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Sourav,So are you saying that a Graha will no longer protect the houses it owns in Rasi if it is badly placed in Navamsa?Thanks,Michal Sourav <souravc108sohamsa Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:11:35 PM Re: Naidana Amsa - Zoran || Hare Raama Krsna |||| Durgaa Saranam ||Dear Michal, Namaskar. When you bring Navamsa into the picture, it is all about whether or not God or Dharma is supporting an activity. Rasi chart is all about our reactions to the world, what we want to do and want to get. Rasi Navamsa combined shows if your past actions supports that or not. Recall neechabhanga. Lagna lord indicates your own intelligence driving for your identity. Intelligence is not enough. Bhagya is also needed.Best wishes,Sourav============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ==sohamsa@ .com, "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal@. ..> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Zoran,> > One thing I am finding difficult to understand. I have always heard> that Lagna Lord will always protect the Lagna (is this a> misconception? ). But in the case of naidana amsa you are saying that> the Graha can be fatal. Why does the Graha turn on its own house?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > sohamsa@ .com, "amar" ahimsa@ wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > Dear Reema,> > Do not use the karaka. There are charts, with Surya in> > Naidana amsa and the father is completelly ok, if you> > observe the house placement. When naidana amsa is> > from rashi to navamsa placement then the karakas will> > be affected.> > What SURELY works is lordships. Check it, Lords of > > houses in Nadiana Amsa brings about problems. It holds> > true in both house position and rashi to navamsa positions.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu. com> > jyotish blog at> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On> Behalf Of> > reema_sriganesh> > 4. listopad 2007 16:17> > sohamsa@ .com> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krushna ||> > > > Namaskaar Zoranji,> > > > Thanks a lot for explaining us about Naidana Navamsa. In message> > #11859 from Sanjayji on Sohamsa, we see that he applies the principle> > of Naidana Navamsa. Your use coupled with his use on two different> > charts have made the concept clear.> > > > Also, can we extend this principle to Sthira Karaka? In other words,> > if Sun is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Father's > > deha/jeeva could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > > > Similarly, can we extend this to other Bhaveshas? For instance, if 4th> > lord is in Naidana Navamsa, then can we say that Mother's deha/jeeva> > could be afflicted in the appropriate dasas?> > > > You said:> > > > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana > > > dasas of Trimsamsa, a person will fall seriously sick, if the sign > > > is afflicted.> > > > Can you please clarify this a bit more? Are you saying that we should> > check the 2nd from AL in Trimsamsa, and see if it is afflicted? If> > yes, then during the D-30 Narayana Dasa of the afflicted sign, we> > should see a lot of health trouble?> > > > Thank you once again.> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > Reema.> > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com,> "amar"> > <ahimsa@> wrote:> > >> > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > Naidana Amsa is counted from planetary position from Rashi to> Navamsa or> > > relates to those> > > planets falling in the same sign of the 8th house. Such planets are> > deadly> > > and cause serious> > > defects mostly in health matters or jiva aspects. Jupiter in pisces is> > > normally good, excellent> > > however there is an issue about dhanu lagna being fiery, and meena> rashi> > > being watery-impossible> > > tast to balance these two tatvas- Like Gandanta. Otherwise, if> > Jupiter is in> > > the process in Thula> > > Navamsa it is considered as Naidana, so health would suffer> > particularly if> > > Jupiter is Lagna Lord.> > > Normally, Jupiter in meena will favour meena not dhanu. Keep this in> > mind.> > > Regarding 2nd from Arudha, this is standard. During these narayana> > dasas of> > > Trimsamsa, a person> > > will fall seriously sick, if the sign is afflicted.> > > best wishes> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > www.siva-edu. com> > > jyotish blog at> > > <http://www.ahimsazr <http://www.ahimsazr 1.wordpress. com>> 1.wordpress. com>> > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com> > [sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com] On> > Behalf Of> > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani> > > 3. listopad 2007 16:44> > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com;> > @ < %40. com> . com> > > RE: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > > > Dear Zoran,> > > > > > Can you elaborate a little more on the concept of Naidana navamsa> > please? Do> > > other progressions also have some meaning? Or is it similar to Pushaka> > > Navamsas which are specific navamsas for each rashi? Honestly w/o this> > > knowledge I would have considered Jupiter in Pisces to be good!> > > > > > The point regarding 2nd house from AL being see for health is also> > new. We> > > have always associated it with wealth or finances.> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Ramesh> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com> > [sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com] On> > Behalf Of> > > amar> > > Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:40 PM> > > @ < %40. com>> . com;> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > > > > Dear Razdan,> > > > > > Guru in your chart as 4th lord in 4th house is not so favourable,> > having in> > > mind thula> > > > > > navamsa which is known as naidhana navamsa (8th from Mina rashi),> which> > > indicates> > > > > > serious problems with Lagna lord (health) and 4th house (heart).> > Planets in> > > 2nd from> > > > > > Arudha Lagna are bad for health if malefics. We can see Shukra,> > Shani and> > > Rahu there,> > > > > > and Shukra in 5th is very bad for 4th house affairs, particularly here> > > hammed in by Ketu,Shani> > > > > > and Mangal Dristi. Ketu and Mangal in 2nd from Lagna or Arudha LAgna> > will> > > cause heart> > > > > > failures or blood poisioning. Why? Ketu and Mangal debilitate> > Chandra who is> > > karaka for> > > > > > heart and blood. So normally during Shani mahadasha, Ketu and Magnal> > will be> > > active with> > > > > > its influences on 2nd from Arudha Lagna. Guru which is in Naidana> > sthana is> > > placed in Shani> > > > > > nakshatra so it will show its teeth. Further more, I beleive that> > Navamsa> > > should be slightly> > > > > > changed putting Shani in 8th house.> > > > > > p.s. arudha lagna is a standard tool of both Parashara, Jaimini, Deva> > > Keralam, and other > > > > > > classical jyotish texts.> > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > Zoran> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > @ < %40. com>> > . com> > [srijagannat h@ < %40. com>> > . com] On> > > Behalf Of pnrazdan> > > 1. listopad 2007 9:50> > > @ < %40. com>> . com> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Heart Attack> > > > > > I had a heart attack on 1st Sept. 2007 at 2am. While I am recovering> > > after an angioplasty, I am baffled at its occurrance since my birth> > > chart does not support it at all. (My birth particulars are DOB 4th> > > June 1939, TOB 21:41 POB Srinagar Kashmir India 74E49,34n05)> > > Kalapurusha defines fourth house for heart which is very strong in my> > > chart lorded by Jupiter. Sun the karaka for heart is the strongest> > > planet in the chart and would never support a heart attack. There is> > > no bad aspect on the fourth house too.> > > Some have suggested to consider fifth house too for heart problems but> > > even here the Saturn which is the the present dasa lord has a Neech> > > Bhang and would not have done so much harm.> > > I put this question on various forums but fellow astrologers have> > > tried to define the event through other theories like Arudh Lagna,> > > Rahu theory etc. A straight answer based on the conventional jyotish> > > is not forthcoming. I even sent the qurey to Dr Charak and K.N.Rao but> > > no answers. While my faith on astrology is not shaken, but I have> > > starting doubting its role in prediction.> > > I am putting this mail for the knowledge of my fellow astrology> > learners.> > > Regards,> > > P.N.Razdan> > > P.S While commenting please refrain from making any predictions> > > regarding my age, death etc. as was done by an immature youngster on> > > the other site.Being a recent sufferer, I was greatly depressed at his> > > loose talk.> > >> >> Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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