Durga Kavacham recitation & strange result

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Dear Hanmant, namaste

 

Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a general prayer that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way on your wife is very strange. The various events that happened point to the effect of Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young daughter running Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners). Check also if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

 

 

I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

 

best regards

Hari

 

On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Shree Ganeshaya Namah,Dear Respected Members,I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore (he wrote the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After consulting my wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha and she should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu. Accordingly my wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi Puja day-9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my wife for no apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This is the first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years of marraige.2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house tripping over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to urgently spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went dead.My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi Kavacham? Also the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her malefic Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she did wear that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put forward these queries to the astrologer but have not received any response so far).Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga Karnataka;TOB:6:45 PM. Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate steps? Look forward to your valuable advise.Sincerely,HanmantPS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga Asthami last motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine mother till my wife started reading). _

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Namaste Hanmant and others,

 

Here are some random thoughts.

 

* * *

 

When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and

consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to propitiating,

there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY

planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets

increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets

decrease the bad.

 

* * *

 

When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one needs to be

strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less tolerant

of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being

clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are

some possible errors.

 

This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by rajasik

or tamasik motives!

 

When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer, learned

men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone like

him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the

highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with

desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't want anything! " ).

 

If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned in

the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the deity

will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the

pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should improve,

I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules. Take

bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a

lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in

the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various rules

laid out by tradition are to be followed.

 

On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as

expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting that

expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good or

bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps

break the rules.

 

* * *

 

Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it

stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the bad

smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is

necessary for a clean up.

 

Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released

does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first. Some

prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent

results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas

carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and ready

to give the fruits.

 

Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-

rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose you

pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten

fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may think, " It

was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell gets

worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away the fruits on the

top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when

you would be *forced* to face it).

 

When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and that

may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in the

above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too.

Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the

rotten fruits quickly.

 

If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than

what else " could have " happened later on had the prayer not taken

place.

 

* * *

 

If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is

softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter,

children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.

 

Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra devatas

like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds

love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do not

mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit faster

in the long run.

 

Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra

devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better for

you, because they force you to make progress quickly.

 

* * *

 

The following are good things to remember:

 

(1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially to

ugra devatas.

(2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are

worshipping.

(3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything

when you pray.

(4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that there

are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your sadhana.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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sohamsa , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi

wrote:

>

> |om|

> Dear Hanmant, namaste

>

> Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a general

prayer

> that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way on

your wife

> is very strange. The various events that happened point to the

effect of

> Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young daughter

running

> Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners).

Check also

> if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

>

> I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

>

> best regards

> Hari

>

>

> On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi wrote:

>

> > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

> >

> > Dear Respected Members,

> >

> > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore (he

wrote

> > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After consulting

my

> > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha

and she

> > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu.

Accordingly my

> > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi

Puja day-

> > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:

> > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my wife

for no

> > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This is

the

> > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years of

marraige.

> > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house

tripping

> > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.

> > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to

urgently

> > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went

dead.

> >

> > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi Kavacham?

Also

> > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her

malefic

> > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she did

wear

> > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put

forward these

> > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response so

far).

> >

> > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga

Karnataka;TOB:6:45

> > PM.

> >

> > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate

steps?

> >

> > Look forward to your valuable advise.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Hanmant

> >

> > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga Asthami

last

> > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine mother

till my

> > wife started reading).

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All Sohamsa members,

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

My pranam - This is a general topic emerging from this

email trail-

 

How does spirtual thinking overcome affects of graha's

?

 

How can the prarabdha of anyone suddenly end ?

 

Obviously praying and stones work , any deep desire of

soul or repentance of a past deed completely negates

the impact of it - so how does paramatma control our

mind and thoughts to over rule the affect of planets

 

I have been suddenly facing some issues in my

workplace in US, with some documentation produced by

HR suddenly saying that i must go back to India. All

my peers and superiors in practice believe its unjust

but our practice head feels someone from india

shouldnt be allowed to settle in US. I did some

prayers to actually solve the situation but the

prayers made me calm and relaxed and actually felt

that i must just give up this desire itself. Why die

and dance around anyone for anything. Our motherland

has many oppurtunities...

 

point is see the power of prayers - it expands your

conciousness and even though many times my mind is

insecured and worried on the idea of abrupt loss and

the abuse i went through, but prayer has given the

perspective and healing to atma.

 

I feel the non linearity in spirtual wonders are hard

to explain by astrology - Do you agree or disagree ?

 

DOB:04 Feb 1977;Time:17:47;Place: delhi

 

I must thank Visti who has helped me do this prayer.

 

I feel PVR sir point is true ...a prayer with clean

heart can work wonders for your atma...dont worry abt

the events and surroundings

 

Regards,

 

Subbu

 

 

 

--- Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:

 

> Namaste Hanmant and others,

>

> Here are some random thoughts.

>

> * * *

>

> When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable

> planets and

> consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes

> to propitiating,

> there are no such restrictions. God/goddess

> corresponding to ANY

> planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good

> planets

> increase the good results and worship of deities of

> bad planets

> decrease the bad.

>

> * * *

>

> When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one

> needs to be

> strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They

> are less tolerant

> of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath

> or not being

> clean enough, the place of worship not being clean

> enough etc are

> some possible errors.

>

> This is particularly true if the worship is

> accompanied by rajasik

> or tamasik motives!

>

> When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat

> cancer, learned

> men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish

> by someone like

> him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him.

> That is the

> highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and

> pray with

> desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't

> want anything! " ).

>

> If you pray to a deity without any desire

> (explicitly mentioned in

> the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind),

> then the deity

> will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have

> desires and the

> pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health

> should improve,

> I should get a promotion etc), then follow some

> simple rules. Take

> bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean

> place, light a

> lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly,

> don't get up in

> the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting

> etc. Various rules

> laid out by tradition are to be followed.

>

> On the other hand, if you just love god and think of

> prayer as

> expressing your love and see asking for something as

> corrupting that

> expression of love and accept anything god throws

> your way (good or

> bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you

> can perhaps

> break the rules.

>

> * * *

>

> Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to

> flush and it

> stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will

> release all the bad

> smell into the room and there will be disgusting

> smell. But it is

> necessary for a clean up.

>

> Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about

> to be released

> does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be

> experienced first. Some

> prayers can bring a little suffering first and then

> excellent

> results. It changes from person to person, based on

> the karmas

> carried by the person and based on which karmas are

> ripe and ready

> to give the fruits.

>

> Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there

> are a few half-

> rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little

> bad. Suppose you

> pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a

> badly rotten

> fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You

> may think, " It

> was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if

> the smell gets

> worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away

> the fruits on the

> top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse

> later on (when

> you would be *forced* to face it).

>

> When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten

> rid of and that

> may expose you to another bad karma (like the

> uncovered fruit in the

> above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that

> fruit too.

> Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get

> rid of all the

> rotten fruits quickly.

>

> If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is

> better than

> what else " could have " happened later on had the

> prayer not taken

> place.

>

> * * *

>

> If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard.

> Her sister is

> softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife

> is stricter,

> children learn better with her and benefit from her

> strictness.

>

> Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft

> person. Ugra devatas

> like Durga are like a strict person. But realize

> that both kinds

> love you and try to benefit you in the long run.

> Ugra devatas do not

> mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you

> benefit faster

> in the long run.

>

> Similarly, what I said about following rules

> strictly with ugra

> devatas does not mean they are bad. They may

> actually be better for

> you, because they force you to make progress

> quickly.

>

> * * *

>

> The following are good things to remember:

>

> (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when

> praying, especially to

> ugra devatas.

> (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the

> deity you are

> worshipping.

> (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity

> for anything

> when you pray.

> (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong.

> Realize that there

> are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and

> increase your sadhana.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

 

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

>

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:

> http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

 

>

> sohamsa , " Jyotisa Shisya "

> <achyutagaddi

> wrote:

> >

> > |om|

> > Dear Hanmant, namaste

> >

> > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi

> kavacham is a general

> prayer

> > that can be recited by all so why should it impact

> in this way on

> your wife

> > is very strange. The various events that happened

> point to the

>

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Dear Guru Narasimha ji Pranams Can you please highlight why a deity as a '"vigraha" vs a framed-photo have to be treated with utmost procedureral prayers everyday even if we have no desires Lord Lakshmi Narasimha is our Kuladevata..Prayer procedures are different if we have Narasimha Salagrama Vs Vigraha of Lord Narasimha Vs framed-Photo of the deity in our pooja place at home Regards Avinash Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote: Namaste Hanmant and others,Here are some random thoughts.* * *When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to propitiating, there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets decrease the bad.* * *When praying to ugra devatas ("fierce" deities), one needs to be strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less tolerant of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being clean enough, the place of worship not being

clean enough etc are some possible errors.This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by rajasik or tamasik motives!When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer, learned men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone like him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with desires (some may even ask "why pray if you don't want anything!").If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned in the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the deity will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should improve, I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules. Take bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't

get up in the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various rules laid out by tradition are to be followed.On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting that expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good or bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps break the rules.* * *Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the bad smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is necessary for a clean up.Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first. Some prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas carried by the

person and based on which karmas are ripe and ready to give the fruits.Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose you pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may think, "It was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell gets worse as a result". But, if you do not throw away the fruits on the top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when you would be *forced* to face it).When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and that may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in the above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too. Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the rotten fruits quickly.If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is

better than what else "could have" happened later on had the prayer not taken place.* * *If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter, children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra devatas like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do not mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit faster in the long run.Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better for you, because they force you to make progress quickly.* * *The following are good things to remember:(1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially to ugra

devatas.(2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are worshipping.(3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything when you pray.(4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that there are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your sadhana.Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC)

website: http://www.SriJagannath.org---------------------------- In sohamsa , "Jyotisa Shisya" <achyutagaddi wrote:>> |om|> Dear Hanmant, namaste> > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a general prayer> that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way on your wife> is very strange. The various events that happened point to the effect of> Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young daughter running> Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners). Check also> if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.> > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.> > best

regards> Hari> > > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi wrote:> > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,> >> > Dear Respected Members,> >> > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore (he wrote> > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After consulting my> > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha and she> > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu. Accordingly my> > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi Puja day-> > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:> > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my wife for no> > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This is the> > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years of

marraige.> > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house tripping> > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.> > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to urgently> > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went dead.> >> > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi Kavacham? Also> > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her malefic> > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she did wear> > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put forward these> > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response so far).> >> > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga Karnataka;TOB:6:45> > PM.> >> > Could the respected members please guide on

the appropriate steps?> >> > Look forward to your valuable advise.> >> > Sincerely,> > Hanmant> >> > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga Asthami last> > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine mother till my> > wife started reading).

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Rao Garu and others,

 

Thanks for your posts and thoughts.

 

I concur with PVR that Divine mother will not want to punish

children when they are praying to her. I may add that my wife did not

have (or do) any specific sankalpa (apart from wishing for general

welfare of family) and she is good at sanskrit Uccharan

(pronounciation).

 

I remember Sanjay Ji's statement that Rahu in 4th house (from Tula

lagna) will give sudden shocks and pain and maybe her 4th house Rahu

with Mars will continue with it's malefic results.

 

My wife is worried that we may not have followed the proceedures in

reciting the Durga Kavacham and hence the unpleasant result. Your

posts suggests that she could continue reading inspite of the

negative experience (which should not be attributed to reading the

Kavacham).I remember some mention that one should not yawn or do any

other work while reciting the Durga Saptashati (may be same will be

applicable for Kavacham).

 

In case there is any other advise she may need to follow while

reading please let us know.

 

Appreciate your time and kindness in guidig us.

 

Best regards,

Hanmant

 

sohamsa , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Hanmant and others,

>

> Here are some random thoughts.

>

> * * *

>

> When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and

> consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to

propitiating,

> there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY

> planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets

> increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets

> decrease the bad.

>

> * * *

>

> When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one needs to be

> strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less

tolerant

> of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being

> clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are

> some possible errors.

>

> This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by rajasik

> or tamasik motives!

>

> When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer, learned

> men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone

like

> him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the

> highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with

> desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't want anything! " ).

>

> If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned in

> the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the deity

> will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the

> pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should improve,

> I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules. Take

> bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a

> lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in

> the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various rules

> laid out by tradition are to be followed.

>

> On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as

> expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting

that

> expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good or

> bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps

> break the rules.

>

> * * *

>

> Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it

> stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the bad

> smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is

> necessary for a clean up.

>

> Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released

> does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first. Some

> prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent

> results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas

> carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and ready

> to give the fruits.

>

> Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-

> rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose

you

> pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten

> fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may think, " It

> was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell gets

> worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away the fruits on the

> top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when

> you would be *forced* to face it).

>

> When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and that

> may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in

the

> above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too.

> Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the

> rotten fruits quickly.

>

> If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than

> what else " could have " happened later on had the prayer not taken

> place.

>

> * * *

>

> If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is

> softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter,

> children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.

>

> Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra

devatas

> like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds

> love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do

not

> mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit faster

> in the long run.

>

> Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra

> devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better for

> you, because they force you to make progress quickly.

>

> * * *

>

> The following are good things to remember:

>

> (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially to

> ugra devatas.

> (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are

> worshipping.

> (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything

> when you pray.

> (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that

there

> are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your

sadhana.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> sohamsa , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi@>

> wrote:

> >

> > |om|

> > Dear Hanmant, namaste

> >

> > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a general

> prayer

> > that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way on

> your wife

> > is very strange. The various events that happened point to the

> effect of

> > Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young daughter

> running

> > Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners).

> Check also

> > if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

> >

> > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

> >

> > best regards

> > Hari

> >

> >

> > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

> > >

> > > Dear Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore

(he

> wrote

> > > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After consulting

> my

> > > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha

> and she

> > > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu.

> Accordingly my

> > > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi

> Puja day-

> > > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:

> > > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my

wife

> for no

> > > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This is

> the

> > > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years of

> marraige.

> > > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house

> tripping

> > > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.

> > > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to

> urgently

> > > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went

> dead.

> > >

> > > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi Kavacham?

> Also

> > > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her

> malefic

> > > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she

did

> wear

> > > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put

> forward these

> > > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response so

> far).

> > >

> > > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga

> Karnataka;TOB:6:45

> > > PM.

> > >

> > > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate

> steps?

> > >

> > > Look forward to your valuable advise.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > Hanmant

> > >

> > > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga

Asthami

> last

> > > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine mother

> till my

> > > wife started reading).

>

[Guest guest]

Rao Garu and others,

 

Thanks for your posts and thoughts.

 

I concur with PVR that Divine mother will not want to punish

children when they are praying to her. I may add that my wife did not

have (or do) any specific sankalpa (apart from wishing for general

welfare of family) and she is good at sanskrit Uccharan

(pronounciation).

 

I remember Sanjay Ji's statement that Rahu in 4th house (from Tula

lagna) will give sudden shocks and pain and maybe her 4th house Rahu

with Mars will continue with it's malefic results.

 

My wife is worried that we may not have followed the proceedures in

reciting the Durga Kavacham and hence the unpleasant result. Your

posts suggests that she could continue reading inspite of the

negative experience (which should not be attributed to reading the

Kavacham).I remember some mention that one should not yawn or do any

other work while reciting the Durga Saptashati (may be same will be

applicable for Kavacham).

 

In case there is any other advise she may need to follow while

reading please let us know.

 

Appreciate your time and kindness in guidig us.

 

Best regards,

Hanmant

 

sohamsa , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Hanmant and others,

>

> Here are some random thoughts.

>

> * * *

>

> When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and

> consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to

propitiating,

> there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY

> planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets

> increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets

> decrease the bad.

>

> * * *

>

> When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one needs to be

> strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less

tolerant

> of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being

> clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are

> some possible errors.

>

> This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by rajasik

> or tamasik motives!

>

> When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer, learned

> men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone

like

> him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the

> highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with

> desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't want anything! " ).

>

> If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned in

> the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the deity

> will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the

> pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should improve,

> I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules. Take

> bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a

> lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in

> the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various rules

> laid out by tradition are to be followed.

>

> On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as

> expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting

that

> expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good or

> bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps

> break the rules.

>

> * * *

>

> Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it

> stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the bad

> smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is

> necessary for a clean up.

>

> Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released

> does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first. Some

> prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent

> results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas

> carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and ready

> to give the fruits.

>

> Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-

> rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose

you

> pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten

> fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may think, " It

> was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell gets

> worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away the fruits on the

> top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when

> you would be *forced* to face it).

>

> When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and that

> may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in

the

> above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too.

> Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the

> rotten fruits quickly.

>

> If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than

> what else " could have " happened later on had the prayer not taken

> place.

>

> * * *

>

> If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is

> softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter,

> children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.

>

> Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra

devatas

> like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds

> love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do

not

> mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit faster

> in the long run.

>

> Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra

> devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better for

> you, because they force you to make progress quickly.

>

> * * *

>

> The following are good things to remember:

>

> (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially to

> ugra devatas.

> (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are

> worshipping.

> (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything

> when you pray.

> (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that

there

> are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your

sadhana.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> sohamsa , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi@>

> wrote:

> >

> > |om|

> > Dear Hanmant, namaste

> >

> > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a general

> prayer

> > that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way on

> your wife

> > is very strange. The various events that happened point to the

> effect of

> > Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young daughter

> running

> > Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners).

> Check also

> > if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

> >

> > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

> >

> > best regards

> > Hari

> >

> >

> > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi@> wrote:

> >

> > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

> > >

> > > Dear Respected Members,

> > >

> > > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore

(he

> wrote

> > > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After consulting

> my

> > > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha

> and she

> > > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu.

> Accordingly my

> > > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi

> Puja day-

> > > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:

> > > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my

wife

> for no

> > > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This is

> the

> > > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years of

> marraige.

> > > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house

> tripping

> > > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.

> > > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to

> urgently

> > > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went

> dead.

> > >

> > > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi Kavacham?

> Also

> > > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her

> malefic

> > > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she

did

> wear

> > > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put

> forward these

> > > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response so

> far).

> > >

> > > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga

> Karnataka;TOB:6:45

> > > PM.

> > >

> > > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate

> steps?

> > >

> > > Look forward to your valuable advise.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > Hanmant

> > >

> > > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga

Asthami

> last

> > > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine mother

> till my

> > > wife started reading).

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Rahu is in 4th and not 9th.I am repeating her birth details: 9th

May1971; TOB:18:45 and POB:Gulbarga, Karnataka.

 

The point I understand is while doing Ugra devata prayer one should

be more careful. Incidentally my wife has been praying to Lakshmi

for many years now and it has been incident free.

 

regards

Hanmant

 

sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote:

>

> Dear Hanmant,

>

> It is common for astrologers to prescribe gemstone and worship of

> deity corresponding to the nakshatra dispositing Mo, which in your

> wife's case is Ra.

>

> Though i am not a gemstone expert, what i observe is Ra in your

> wife's chart is in 9h (marana karaka sthana), and most of the

members

> on this forum would not agree to gemstone for the same. I was

advised

> gomedh too by an astrologer back in good old times, but didnt wear

it

> ever. (have been prescribed - diamond, emerald, pukhraj too by

> various astrologers - but as of now i dont wear any after reading a

> bit got all of them off!)

>

> Coming to worship, from personal experience i have found Durga

> worship to benefit me (i too have Mo in Ra nak, though Ra is not in

> 9h)when i began with Durga Chalisa. It helpd me change a lot

within.

> However, sometime back i was working with the Siddha Kunjika

Stotram

> and found that i became quite aggressive and very vocal in

expressing

> my heart's content without any restraint - so i had to tone down

back

> to the Navvarna Mantra (for now, later may be i begin on the SKS

> again as i develop further), though i also follow the Durga

> Ashtorranama.

>

> What i understand, through (limited) experience with deities viz

> Shiva, Ganesha, Hanumanji, Maa Durga etc. is that these are the

> Energies within us that are altered/developed when we worship a

> certain deity and we have to cultivate ourself to be capable of

> having them work within us progressively. If we are not capable

> enough, we may find ourselves out of balance (as we call it in the

> Energy-World e.g. ur wife and kids experienced those problems that

u

> mentioned).

>

> What Sh. Narasimha said is very right that some disturbance can

> arise initially (taking experience from Reiki that i practise) to

> clear up the bad karmas - in that case when changes are too much to

> bear or too many or get bewildering, we intend that Reiki may bring

> canges in/around us in a way that we can cope with [smoother and

> slower]. Don't know if it works that way with the deities, but

> praying to the deity itself for showing the right way does work -

you

> may be 'sent' to another deity/mantra that is more suitable to your

> energy system until you are able to work with the energies of the

> intended deity.

>

> Many thanx

> SS.

>

>

> sohamsa , " Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Hanmant and others,

> >

> > Here are some random thoughts.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and

> > consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to

> propitiating,

> > there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY

> > planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets

> > increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets

> > decrease the bad.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one needs to be

> > strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less

> tolerant

> > of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being

> > clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are

> > some possible errors.

> >

> > This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by

rajasik

> > or tamasik motives!

> >

> > When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer,

learned

> > men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone

> like

> > him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the

> > highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with

> > desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't want

anything! " ).

> >

> > If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned

in

> > the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the

deity

> > will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the

> > pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should

improve,

> > I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules.

Take

> > bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a

> > lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in

> > the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various

rules

> > laid out by tradition are to be followed.

> >

> > On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as

> > expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting

> that

> > expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good

or

> > bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps

> > break the rules.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it

> > stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the

bad

> > smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is

> > necessary for a clean up.

> >

> > Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released

> > does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first.

Some

> > prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent

> > results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas

> > carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and

ready

> > to give the fruits.

> >

> > Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-

> > rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose

> you

> > pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten

> > fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may

think, " It

> > was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell

gets

> > worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away the fruits on

the

> > top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when

> > you would be *forced* to face it).

> >

> > When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and

that

> > may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in

> the

> > above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too.

> > Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the

> > rotten fruits quickly.

> >

> > If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than

> > what else " could have " happened later on had the prayer not taken

> > place.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is

> > softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter,

> > children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.

> >

> > Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra

> devatas

> > like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds

> > love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do

> not

> > mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit

faster

> > in the long run.

> >

> > Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra

> > devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better

for

> > you, because they force you to make progress quickly.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The following are good things to remember:

> >

> > (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially

to

> > ugra devatas.

> > (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are

> > worshipping.

> > (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything

> > when you pray.

> > (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that

> there

> > are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your

> sadhana.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > |om|

> > > Dear Hanmant, namaste

> > >

> > > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a

general

> > prayer

> > > that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way

on

> > your wife

> > > is very strange. The various events that happened point to the

> > effect of

> > > Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young

daughter

> > running

> > > Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners).

> > Check also

> > > if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

> > >

> > > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

> > >

> > > best regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > >

> > > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

> > > >

> > > > Dear Respected Members,

> > > >

> > > > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore

> (he

> > wrote

> > > > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After

consulting

> > my

> > > > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha

> > and she

> > > > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu.

> > Accordingly my

> > > > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi

> > Puja day-

> > > > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:

> > > > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my

> wife

> > for no

> > > > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This

is

> > the

> > > > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years

of

> > marraige.

> > > > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house

> > tripping

> > > > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.

> > > > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to

> > urgently

> > > > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went

> > dead.

> > > >

> > > > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi

Kavacham?

> > Also

> > > > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her

> > malefic

> > > > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she

> did

> > wear

> > > > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put

> > forward these

> > > > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response

so

> > far).

> > > >

> > > > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga

> > Karnataka;TOB:6:45

> > > > PM.

> > > >

> > > > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate

> > steps?

> > > >

> > > > Look forward to your valuable advise.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > > Hanmant

> > > >

> > > > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga

> Asthami

> > last

> > > > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine

mother

> > till my

> > > > wife started reading).

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste

 

I am actually getting tempted to comment

on this, I may be wrong as there are so many learned people here and I have

only put my feet in this path. And I will appreciate any correction.

 

But saying that after starting Durga

Kavacham something bad has started happening has very good logic here. Devi is

harsh but doesn’t cause any bad to it’s children. Durga Rupa was

for specific reasons. To kill the demons. So when we say that when we start

worshipping Devi Durga those demons which are inside us are getting charged and

and they are like hyper. So you see those negative qualities more coming out.

But slowly as you keep worshipping Devi Durga, Devi will start actually killing

those demons (which are nothing but our own internal negative qualities.) So

with time we will be actually more calm and free from those negative qualities.

 

Best Regards

Sonia

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of hmuttagi

Friday, 16 November 2007

8:04 PM

sohamsa

Re: Durga

Kavacham recitation & strange result

 

 

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Rahu is in 4th and not 9th.I am repeating her birth details: 9th

May1971; TOB:18:45 and POB:Gulbarga,

Karnataka.

 

The point I understand is while doing Ugra devata prayer one should

be more careful. Incidentally my wife has been praying to Lakshmi

for many years now and it has been incident free.

 

regards

Hanmant

 

sohamsa ,

" Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote:

>

> Dear Hanmant,

>

> It is common for astrologers to prescribe gemstone and worship of

> deity corresponding to the nakshatra dispositing Mo, which in your

> wife's case is Ra.

>

> Though i am not a gemstone expert, what i observe is Ra in your

> wife's chart is in 9h (marana karaka sthana), and most of the

members

> on this forum would not agree to gemstone for the same. I was

advised

> gomedh too by an astrologer back in good old times, but didnt wear

it

> ever. (have been prescribed - diamond, emerald, pukhraj too by

> various astrologers - but as of now i dont wear any after reading a

> bit got all of them off!)

>

> Coming to worship, from personal experience i have found Durga

> worship to benefit me (i too have Mo in Ra nak, though Ra is not in

> 9h)when i began with Durga Chalisa. It helpd me change a lot

within.

> However, sometime back i was working with the Siddha Kunjika

Stotram

> and found that i became quite aggressive and very vocal in

expressing

> my heart's content without any restraint - so i had to tone down

back

> to the Navvarna Mantra (for now, later may be i begin on the SKS

> again as i develop further), though i also follow the Durga

> Ashtorranama.

>

> What i understand, through (limited) experience with deities viz

> Shiva, Ganesha, Hanumanji, Maa Durga etc. is that these are the

> Energies within us that are altered/developed when we worship a

> certain deity and we have to cultivate ourself to be capable of

> having them work within us progressively. If we are not capable

> enough, we may find ourselves out of balance (as we call it in the

> Energy-World e.g. ur

wife and kids experienced those problems that

u

> mentioned).

>

> What Sh. Narasimha said is very right that some disturbance can

> arise initially (taking experience from Reiki that i practise) to

> clear up the bad karmas - in that case when changes are too much to

> bear or too many or get bewildering, we intend that Reiki may bring

> canges in/around us in a way that we can cope with [smoother and

> slower]. Don't know if it works that way with the deities, but

> praying to the deity itself for showing the right way does work -

you

> may be 'sent' to another deity/mantra that is more suitable to your

> energy system until you are able to work with the energies of the

> intended deity.

>

> Many thanx

> SS.

>

>

> sohamsa ,

" Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Hanmant and others,

> >

> > Here are some random thoughts.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and

> > consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to

> propitiating,

> > there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY

> > planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets

> > increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets

> > decrease the bad.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one needs

to be

> > strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less

> tolerant

> > of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being

> > clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are

> > some possible errors.

> >

> > This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by

rajasik

> > or tamasik motives!

> >

> > When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer,

learned

> > men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone

> like

> > him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the

> > highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with

> > desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't want

anything! " ).

> >

> > If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned

in

> > the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the

deity

> > will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the

> > pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should

improve,

> > I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules.

Take

> > bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a

> > lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in

> > the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various

rules

> > laid out by tradition are to be followed.

> >

> > On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as

> > expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting

> that

> > expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good

or

> > bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps

> > break the rules.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it

> > stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the

bad

> > smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is

> > necessary for a clean up.

> >

> > Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released

> > does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first.

Some

> > prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent

> > results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas

> > carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and

ready

> > to give the fruits.

> >

> > Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-

> > rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose

> you

> > pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten

> > fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may

think, " It

> > was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell

gets

> > worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away the fruits on

the

> > top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when

> > you would be *forced* to face it).

> >

> > When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and

that

> > may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in

> the

> > above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too.

> > Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the

> > rotten fruits quickly.

> >

> > If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than

> > what else " could have " happened later on had the prayer not

taken

> > place.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is

> > softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter,

> > children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.

> >

> > Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra

> devatas

> > like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds

> > love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do

> not

> > mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit

faster

> > in the long run.

> >

> > Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra

> > devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better

for

> > you, because they force you to make progress quickly.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The following are good things to remember:

> >

> > (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially

to

> > ugra devatas.

> > (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are

> > worshipping.

> > (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything

> > when you pray.

> > (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that

> there

> > are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your

> sadhana.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------

> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------

> >

> > sohamsa ,

" Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > |om|

> > > Dear Hanmant, namaste

> > >

> > > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a

general

> > prayer

> > > that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way

on

> > your wife

> > > is very strange. The various events that happened point to the

> > effect of

> > > Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young

daughter

> > running

> > > Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners).

> > Check also

> > > if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

> > >

> > > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

> > >

> > > best regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > >

> > > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

> > > >

> > > > Dear Respected Members,

> > > >

> > > > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore

> (he

> > wrote

> > > > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After

consulting

> > my

> > > > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa

Dosha

> > and she

> > > > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu.

> > Accordingly my

> > > > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday

(Lakshmi

> > Puja day-

> > > > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:

> > > > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my

 

> wife

> > for no

> > > > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This

 

is

> > the

> > > > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years

 

of

> > marraige.

> > > > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the

house

> > tripping

> > > > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.

> > > > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to

> > urgently

> > > > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also

went

> > dead.

> > > >

> > > > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi

Kavacham?

> > Also

> > > > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make

her

> > malefic

> > > > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage

she

> did

> > wear

> > > > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put

> > forward these

> > > > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response

 

so

> > far).

> > > >

> > > > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB:Gulbarga

> > Karnataka;TOB:6:45

> > > > PM.

> > > >

> > > > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate

 

> > steps?

> > > >

> > > > Look forward to your valuable advise.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > > Hanmant

> > > >

> > > > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga

> Asthami

> > last

> > > > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine

mother

> > till my

> > > > wife started reading).

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Sonia,

You are correct, many people forget that the Fire of purification can at times be

painful.

If a medicine is too strong, The solution is to ease back on the quantity of mantras etc

Of course on should be sure they are chanting the appropriate mantras to begin with.

If in doubt, stick with mantras that are always good for everyone in all circumstances.

Om Vishnave Namah , Om Nama Shivaya , Narayana Kavacha, etc

These can be found on Sanjays web site.

Best wishes

Lakshmi

 

Sonia Gupta <soniaguptasohamsa Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:33:47 PMRE: Re: Durga Kavacham recitation & strange result

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste

 

I am actually getting tempted to comment on this, I may be wrong as there are so many learned people here and I have only put my feet in this path. And I will appreciate any correction.

 

But saying that after starting Durga Kavacham something bad has started happening has very good logic here. Devi is harsh but doesn¢t cause any bad to it¢s children. Durga Rupa was for specific reasons. To kill the demons. So when we say that when we start worshipping Devi Durga those demons which are inside us are getting charged and and they are like hyper. So you see those negative qualities more coming out. But slowly as you keep worshipping Devi Durga, Devi will start actually killing those demons (which are nothing but our own internal negative qualities.) So with time we will be actually more calm and free from those negative qualities.

 

Best Regards

Sonia

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa@ .com [ sohamsa@ .com ] On Behalf Of hmuttagiFriday, 16 November 2007 8:04 PMsohamsa@ .com Re: Durga Kavacham recitation & strange result

 

 

 

 

Hello,Rahu is in 4th and not 9th.I am repeating her birth details: 9th May1971; TOB:18:45 and POB: Gulbarga , Karnataka.The point I understand is while doing Ugra devata prayer one should be more careful. Incidentally my wife has been praying to Lakshmi for many years now and it has been incident free.regardsHanmantsohamsa@ .com, "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Hanmant,> > It is common for astrologers to prescribe gemstone and worship of> deity corresponding to the nakshatra dispositing Mo, which in your> wife's case is Ra.> > Though i am not a gemstone expert, what i observe is Ra in your> wife's chart is in 9h (marana

karaka sthana), and most of the members> on this forum would not agree to gemstone for the same. I was advised> gomedh too by an astrologer back in good old times, but didnt wear it> ever. (have been prescribed - diamond, emerald, pukhraj too by> various astrologers - but as of now i dont wear any after reading a> bit got all of them off!)> > Coming to worship, from personal experience i have found Durga> worship to benefit me (i too have Mo in Ra nak, though Ra is not in> 9h)when i began with Durga Chalisa. It helpd me change a lot within. > However, sometime back i was working with the Siddha Kunjika Stotram > and found that i became quite aggressive and very vocal in expressing > my heart's content without any restraint - so i had to tone down back > to the Navvarna Mantra (for now, later may be i begin on the SKS > again as i

develop further), though i also follow the Durga > Ashtorranama. > > What i understand, through (limited) experience with deities viz > Shiva, Ganesha, Hanumanji, Maa Durga etc. is that these are the > Energies within us that are altered/developed when we worship a > certain deity and we have to cultivate ourself to be capable of > having them work within us progressively. If we are not capable > enough, we may find ourselves out of balance (as we call it in the > Energy-World e.g. ur wife and kids experienced those problems that u > mentioned).> > What Sh. Narasimha said is very right that some disturbance can> arise initially (taking experience from Reiki that i practise) to> clear up the bad karmas - in that case when changes are too much to> bear or too many or get bewildering, we intend that Reiki may bring> canges in/around us in a

way that we can cope with [smoother and> slower]. Don't know if it works that way with the deities, but> praying to the deity itself for showing the right way does work - you> may be 'sent' to another deity/mantra that is more suitable to your> energy system until you are able to work with the energies of the> intended deity.> > Many thanx> SS.> > > sohamsa@ .com, "Narasimha Rao" <pvr@> wrote:> >> > Namaste Hanmant and others,> > > > Here are some random thoughts.> > > > * * *> > > > When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and > > consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to > propitiating, > > there

are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY > > planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets > > increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets > > decrease the bad.> > > > * * *> > > > When praying to ugra devatas ("fierce" deities), one needs to be > > strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less > tolerant > > of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being > > clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are > > some possible errors.> > > > This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by rajasik > > or tamasik motives!> > > > When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer, learned > > men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone

> like > > him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the > > highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with > > desires (some may even ask "why pray if you don't want anything!").> > > > If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned in > > the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the deity > > will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the > > pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should improve, > > I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules. Take > > bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a > > lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in > > the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various rules > > laid out by

tradition are to be followed.> > > > On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as > > expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting > that > > expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good or > > bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps > > break the rules.> > > > * * *> > > > Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it > > stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the bad > > smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is > > necessary for a clean up.> > > > Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released > > does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first. Some > > prayers can bring a little suffering

first and then excellent > > results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas > > carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and ready > > to give the fruits.> > > > Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-> > rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose > you > > pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten > > fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may think, "It > > was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell gets > > worse as a result". But, if you do not throw away the fruits on the > > top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when > > you would be *forced* to face it).> > > > When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and

that > > may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in > the > > above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too. > > Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the > > rotten fruits quickly.> > > > If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than > > what else "could have" happened later on had the prayer not taken > > place.> > > > * * *> > > > If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is > > softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter, > > children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.> > > > Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra > devatas > > like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds >

> love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do > not > > mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit faster > > in the long run.> > > > Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra > > devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better for > > you, because they force you to make progress quickly.> > > > * * *> > > > The following are good things to remember:> > > > (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially to > > ugra devatas.> > (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are > > worshipping.> > (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything > > when you pray.> > (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that

> there > > are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your > sadhana.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > > sohamsa@ .com, "Jyotisa Shisya" <achyutagaddi@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > |om|> > > Dear Hanmant, namaste> > > > > > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a general > > prayer> > > that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way on > > your wife> > > is very strange. The various events that happened point to the > > effect of> > > Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young daughter > > running> > > Mercury naisargika dasa and

miscommunication between partners). > > Check also> > > if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.> > > > > > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.> > > > > > best regards> > > Hari> > > > > > > > > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi@> wrote:> > > > > > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,> > > >> > > > Dear Respected Members,> > > >> > > > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore > (he > > wrote> > > > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After consulting > > my> > > > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa Dosha > > and she> > > > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear

Gomedika for Rahu. > > Accordingly my> > > > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday (Lakshmi > > Puja day-> > > > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:> > > > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my > wife > > for no> > > > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This is > > the> > > > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years of > > marraige.> > > > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the house > > tripping> > > > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.> > > > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to > > urgently> > > > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also went > >

dead.> > > >> > > > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi Kavacham? > > Also> > > > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make her > > malefic> > > > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage she > did > > wear> > > > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put > > forward these> > > > queries to the astrologer but have not received any response so > > far).> > > >> > > > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB: Gulbarga > > Karnataka;TOB: 6:45> > > > PM.> > > >> > > > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate > > steps?> > > >> > > > Look forward to your valuable advise.> >

> >> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Hanmant> > > >> > > > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga > Asthami > > last> > > > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine mother > > till my> > > > wife started reading).> >>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Lakshmi Ji,

 

Thanks for your comments. Actually

yesterday only I came across a web site which had very nice explanation about Devi,

and more understanding came after discussing with my teacher.

 

http://www.dakshineswar.com/

 

 

Best Regards

Sonia

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary

Saturday, 17 November 2007

8:24 AM

sohamsa

Re: Re: Durga

Kavacham recitation & strange result

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

Dear Sonia,

 

 

You are correct, many people forget that the Fire of purification can

at times be

 

 

painful.

 

 

If a medicine is too strong, The solution is to ease back on the

quantity of mantras etc

 

 

Of course on should be sure they are chanting the appropriate mantras

to begin with.

 

 

If in doubt, stick with mantras that are always good for everyone in

all circumstances.

 

 

Om Vishnave Namah , Om Nama Shivaya , Narayana Kavacha, etc

 

 

These can be found on Sanjays web site.

 

 

Best wishes

 

 

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message

----

Sonia Gupta <soniagupta (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>

sohamsa

Friday, November 16, 2007 12:33:47 PM

RE: Re: Durga Kavacham recitation & strange result

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste

 

I am actually getting tempted to comment on this, I may be wrong as

there are so many learned people here and I have only put my feet in this path.

And I will appreciate any correction.

 

But saying that after starting Durga Kavacham something bad has

started happening has very good logic here. Devi is harsh but doesn¢t cause any

bad to it¢s children. Durga Rupa was for specific reasons. To kill the demons.

So when we say that when we start worshipping Devi Durga those demons which are

inside us are getting charged and and they are like hyper. So you see those

negative qualities more coming out. But slowly as you keep worshipping Devi

Durga, Devi will start actually killing those demons (which are nothing but our

own internal negative qualities.) So with time we will be actually more calm

and free from those negative qualities.

 

Best Regards

Sonia

 

 

 

 

 

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Behalf Of hmuttagi

Friday, 16 November 2007

8:04 PM

sohamsa@ .com

Re: Durga

Kavacham recitation & strange result

 

 

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Rahu is in 4th and not 9th.I am repeating her birth details: 9th

May1971; TOB:18:45 and POB: Gulbarga

, Karnataka.

 

The point I understand is while doing Ugra devata prayer one should

be more careful. Incidentally my wife has been praying to Lakshmi

for many years now and it has been incident free.

 

regards

Hanmant

 

sohamsa@ .com,

" Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Hanmant,

>

> It is common for astrologers to prescribe gemstone and worship of

> deity corresponding to the nakshatra dispositing Mo, which in your

> wife's case is Ra.

>

> Though i am not a gemstone expert, what i observe is Ra in your

> wife's chart is in 9h (marana karaka sthana), and most of the

members

> on this forum would not agree to gemstone for the same. I was

advised

> gomedh too by an astrologer back in good old times, but didnt wear

it

> ever. (have been prescribed - diamond, emerald, pukhraj too by

> various astrologers - but as of now i dont wear any after reading a

> bit got all of them off!)

>

> Coming to worship, from personal experience i have found Durga

> worship to benefit me (i too have Mo in Ra nak, though Ra is not in

> 9h)when i began with Durga Chalisa. It helpd me change a lot

within.

> However, sometime back i was working with the Siddha Kunjika

Stotram

> and found that i became quite aggressive and very vocal in

expressing

> my heart's content without any restraint - so i had to tone down

back

> to the Navvarna Mantra (for now, later may be i begin on the SKS

> again as i develop further), though i also follow the Durga

> Ashtorranama.

>

> What i understand, through (limited) experience with deities viz

> Shiva, Ganesha, Hanumanji, Maa Durga etc. is that these are the

> Energies within us that are altered/developed when we worship a

> certain deity and we have to cultivate ourself to be capable of

> having them work within us progressively. If we are not capable

> enough, we may find ourselves out of balance (as we call it in the

> Energy-World e.g. ur

wife and kids experienced those problems that

u

> mentioned).

>

> What Sh. Narasimha said is very right that some disturbance can

> arise initially (taking experience from Reiki that i practise) to

> clear up the bad karmas - in that case when changes are too much to

> bear or too many or get bewildering, we intend that Reiki may bring

> canges in/around us in a way that we can cope with [smoother and

> slower]. Don't know if it works that way with the deities, but

> praying to the deity itself for showing the right way does work -

you

> may be 'sent' to another deity/mantra that is more suitable to your

> energy system until you are able to work with the energies of the

> intended deity.

>

> Many thanx

> SS.

>

>

> sohamsa@ .com,

" Narasimha Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Hanmant and others,

> >

> > Here are some random thoughts.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When wearing gems, make sure to avoid unfavorable planets and

> > consider only favorable planets. But, when it comes to

> propitiating,

> > there are no such restrictions. God/goddess corresponding to ANY

> > planet can be worshipped. Worship of deities of good planets

> > increase the good results and worship of deities of bad planets

> > decrease the bad.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > When praying to ugra devatas ( " fierce " deities), one needs

to be

> > strict, disciplined and follow certain rules. They are less

> tolerant

> > of errors. Errors in pronunciation, not taking bath or not being

> > clean enough, the place of worship not being clean enough etc are

> > some possible errors.

> >

> > This is particularly true if the worship is accompanied by

rajasik

> > or tamasik motives!

> >

> > When Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had a terrible throat cancer,

learned

> > men told him to pray to Kali to cure it. A mere wish by someone

> like

> > him was enough. But he never asked Kali to cure him. That is the

> > highest level of sattwa. But most are unlike him and pray with

> > desires (some may even ask " why pray if you don't want

anything! " ).

> >

> > If you pray to a deity without any desire (explicitly mentioned

in

> > the sankalpa or implicitly thought of in the mind), then the

deity

> > will be far more tolerant of errors. If you have desires and the

> > pooja is for fulfilling the desires (e.g. my health should

improve,

> > I should get a promotion etc), then follow some simple rules.

Take

> > bath before the worship, be clean, choose a clean place, light a

> > lamp, learn to pronounce correctly, sit properly, don't get up in

> > the middle and do the whole thing in one sitting etc. Various

rules

> > laid out by tradition are to be followed.

> >

> > On the other hand, if you just love god and think of prayer as

> > expressing your love and see asking for something as corrupting

> that

> > expression of love and accept anything god throws your way (good

or

> > bad) as god's prasad and accept everything, then you can perhaps

> > break the rules.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Suppose you have a toilet that someone forgot to flush and it

> > stinks. Suppose you flush it. First, this will release all the

bad

> > smell into the room and there will be disgusting smell. But it is

> > necessary for a clean up.

> >

> > Similarly, when someone with terrible karmas about to be released

> > does prayer, some bad karmas may need to be experienced first.

Some

> > prayers can bring a little suffering first and then excellent

> > results. It changes from person to person, based on the karmas

> > carried by the person and based on which karmas are ripe and

ready

> > to give the fruits.

> >

> > Suppose there is a basket of fruits. Suppose there are a few half-

> > rotten fruits on the top that are smelling a little bad. Suppose

> you

> > pick them up and throw them away. That may uncover a badly rotten

> > fruit and the room may be filled with bad smell! You may

think, " It

> > was better earlier. Why throw away rotten fruits if the smell

gets

> > worse as a result " . But, if you do not throw away the fruits on

the

> > top, the fruit below would have smelled even worse later on (when

> > you would be *forced* to face it).

> >

> > When you do sadhana, some bad karmas may be gotten rid of and

that

> > may expose you to another bad karma (like the uncovered fruit in

> the

> > above analogy). The wise thing is to throw away that fruit too.

> > Increase the prayer when bad things happen, to get rid of all the

> > rotten fruits quickly.

> >

> > If a bad thing happens after a prayer, usually it is better than

> > what else " could have " happened later on had the prayer not

taken

> > place.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > If my son misbehaves, my wife disciplines him hard. Her sister is

> > softer with kids. But both love kids. Though my wife is stricter,

> > children learn better with her and benefit from her strictness.

> >

> > Soumya devatas (gentle deities) are like a soft person. Ugra

> devatas

> > like Durga are like a strict person. But realize that both kinds

> > love you and try to benefit you in the long run. Ugra devatas do

> not

> > mind punishing you a little bit in order to make you benefit

faster

> > in the long run.

> >

> > Similarly, what I said about following rules strictly with ugra

> > devatas does not mean they are bad. They may actually be better

for

> > you, because they force you to make progress quickly.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The following are good things to remember:

> >

> > (1) Follow the basic rules of tradition when praying, especially

to

> > ugra devatas.

> > (2) Develop a sense of surrender and love for the deity you are

> > worshipping.

> > (3) *Try* to cut expectations and not ask the deity for anything

> > when you pray.

> > (4) Don't be discouraged if something goes wrong. Realize that

> there

> > are some bad karmas waiting to trouble you and increase your

> sadhana.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> > sohamsa@ .com,

" Jyotisa Shisya " <achyutagaddi@ >

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > |om|

> > > Dear Hanmant, namaste

> > >

> > > Very strange indeed! As far as I know, Devi kavacham is a

general

> > prayer

> > > that can be recited by all so why should it impact in this way

on

> > your wife

> > > is very strange. The various events that happened point to the

> > effect of

> > > Mercury(mobile / land phone, breakage of bones in young

daughter

> > running

> > > Mercury naisargika dasa and miscommunication between partners).

> > Check also

> > > if she is pronouncing the words in Devi Kavacham correctly.

> > >

> > > I hope Sanjay will comment on this interesting case.

> > >

> > > best regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > >

> > > On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, hmuttagi <hmuttagi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Shree Ganeshaya Namah,

> > > >

> > > > Dear Respected Members,

> > > >

> > > > I recently visited one of well known astrologer at Bangalore

> (he

> > wrote

> > > > the leading article in Astrological Magazine). After

consulting

> > my

> > > > wife's chart he mentioned that there was a strong Sarpa

Dosha

> > and she

> > > > should recite Durga Kavacham and wear Gomedika for Rahu.

> > Accordingly my

> > > > wife started reciting Durga Kavacham on last friday

(Lakshmi

> > Puja day-

> > > > 9th Nov) and it has resulted in the following:

> > > > 1. On that day itself there was fight between myself and my

 

> wife

> > for no

> > > > apparent reason (and she ended up fasting for 2 days). This

 

is

> > the

> > > > first time such a serious situation happened in our 8 years

 

of

> > marraige.

> > > > 2. My daughter (7 years old) fell down next day in the

house

> > tripping

> > > > over her toe (very strangely) and fractured her right arm.

> > > > 3. My lifeline-the mobile suddenly went dead and I had to

> > urgently

> > > > spend to buy a new hand set. The telephone landline also

went

> > dead.

> > > >

> > > > My query is: Is it advisable for my wife to read Devi

Kavacham?

> > Also

> > > > the Gomedika as suggestd by the astrologer will only make

her

> > malefic

> > > > Rahu strong-would it be advisable? Prior to our marriage

she

> did

> > wear

> > > > that and it did not yeild any untoward result.(I have put

> > forward these

> > > > queries to the astrologer but have not received any

response

so

> > far).

> > > >

> > > > Her details are as follows: DOB:9-5-71, POB: Gulbarga

> > Karnataka;TOB: 6:45

> > > > PM.

> > > >

> > > > Could the respected members please guide on the appropriate

 

> > steps?

> > > >

> > > > Look forward to your valuable advise.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > > Hanmant

> > > >

> > > > PS: I have started reciting the Devi Kavacham from Durga

> Asthami

> > last

> > > > motnh and have experienced good benefits from the divine

mother

> > till my

> > > > wife started reading).

> >

>