definition of Rudra

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Dear All,

 

Please can you calrify which one is the correct definition of Rudra:

 

1. Stronger of the lords of 8th hs (8th from lagna) or 2nd hs (8th from

7th)

2. Lord of 8th from the stronger of the lagna or 7th hs

3. Lord of 8th from stronger of lords of lagna or 7th hs

 

Many Thanks

SS

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Dear SS,

 

I consider it to be stronger of 2nd and 8th lord. I think option 3 is

not correct.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

On Nov 21, 2007 2:52 PM, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

Dear All,

>

> Please can you calrify which one is the correct definition of Rudra:

>

> 1. Stronger of the lords of 8th hs (8th from lagna) or 2nd hs (8th from

> 7th)

> 2. Lord of 8th from the stronger of the lagna or 7th hs

> 3. Lord of 8th from stronger of lords of lagna or 7th hs

>

> Many Thanks

> SS

>

>

 

 

 

--

Best Wishes

Sarajit Poddar

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Dear SS,

Greetings!

If I can offer my 2 cent of suggestion:

Indeed as per calculations Rudra is Leo/Sun; further it is said that Leo being aspected by Moon, cant kill. Hence we may take 8 th from this as the Rudra..which is Jupiter.

I could be wrong.

 

Best wishes

Sharat

 

 

 

 

-

Soul Sadhak

sohamsa

Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:30 PM

Re: definition of Rudra

 

 

Thanx for the response Sarajit, i agree that is the definition given in JMUS, COVA and Vedic Astrology - AIA.However, i dont remember where i read the one under 3, will ppost the reference if i come across it again.Meanwhile, can anyone explain this from JMUS (pg 222):Rudra for Smt Indira Gandhi's chart is taken as Jupiter - how has this been calculated, given that lagna is Cn, 8th lord would either be Su or Sa dpending on stronger beween lagna/7h?Many ThanxSSsohamsa , "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit.poddar wrote:>> || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear SS,> > I consider it to be stronger of 2nd and 8th lord. I think option 3 is> not correct.> > Regards> Sarajit> > On Nov 21, 2007 2:52 PM, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Please can you calrify which one is the correct definition of Rudra:> >> > 1. Stronger of the lords of 8th hs (8th from lagna) or 2nd hs (8th from> > 7th)> > 2. Lord of 8th from the stronger of the lagna or 7th hs> > 3. Lord of 8th from stronger of lords of lagna or 7th hs> >> > Many Thanks> > SS> >> > > > > > -- > Best Wishes> Sarajit Poddar>

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Hi All,

Any comments on point 5. ?

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Hi Sharat, Sarajit and All,

1. Sharat, what u said re. aspect of Mo on Le not likely to kill is mentioned in JMUS pg 222, however, for the same chart in COVA (pg 50) it is mentioned that "Both Gemini aspected by by Rahu & Venus and Leo conjoined Mars and aspected by Moon are likely to kill."

2. Can you give a reference text where it says that Rudra is further calculated 8th from a sign being aspected by Mo (or Ju/Su or whatever applicable)? However, jumping to another 8th lord is mentioned on pg 142 JMUS for certain lagnas as to when it is applicable, and is not applicable in this case.

3. However, as mentioned in VA-AIA pg. 157. Rudra has to be calculated from Vriddha's Principle, so for Cn lagna, (Smt. Indira Gandhi's chart) as per Vriddha's principle, 8th lord from lagna and 7h wud give either Ju or Me, of which Me is stronger if we select stronger 8th lord from lagna/7h.

So should it not be Me rather than Ju?

However if we select 8th lord (as per Vriddha's principle) from stronger of lagna/7h, then it comes to Ju, since lagna is stronger.

However, J-Hora gives it as Su (direct 8th lord with 7h stronger).

4. Likewise, for Albert Einstein's chart (JMUS pg 174), Rudra is calculated as Mo, whereas J-Hora calculates it as Sa. Now if we see stronger of 8th lord (direct as well as Vriddha's principle) it wud either be Mo or Sa. But isn't stronger of them Sa, rather than Mo?

Or, is it that Mo, the weaker one, is aspected by Ma and Ra, hence afflicted, so acquires status of Rudra?

Or, is it that 7h is stronger, so 8th lord (direct/Vriddha's) is Mo?

5. So anyways, probably someone can clarify the following:

a. whether we use "direct 8th lord" or "8th lord as per Vriddha's method" for calculating Rudra.

b. whether we take "stronger out of lord of 2nd or lord of 8th",

or, do we take "8th lord from stronger of lagna or 7h"?

Many Thanx

SSsohamsa , "Sharat" gidoc@ wrote:>> ||Namah Shivaya||> Dear SS,> Greetings!> If I can offer my 2 cent of suggestion:> Indeed as per calculations Rudra is Leo/Sun; further it is said thatLeo being aspected by Moon, cant kill. Hence we may take 8 th from thisas the Rudra..which is Jupiter.> I could be wrong.>> Best wishes> Sharat>>>> -> Soul Sadhak> sohamsa > Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:30 PM> Re: definition of Rudra>>> Thanx for the response Sarajit, i agree that is the definition given> in JMUS, COVA and Vedic Astrology - AIA.> However, i dont remember where i read the one under 3, will ppost the> reference if i come across it again.>> Meanwhile, can anyone explain this from JMUS (pg 222):>> Rudra for Smt Indira Gandhi's chart is taken as Jupiter - how has> this been calculated, given that lagna is Cn, 8th lord would either> be Su or Sa dpending on stronger beween lagna/7h?>> Many Thanx> SS>> sohamsa , "Sarajit Poddar" sarajit.poddar@> wrote:> >> > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > Dear SS,> >> > I consider it to be stronger of 2nd and 8th lord. I think option 3> is> > not correct.> >> > Regards> > Sarajit> >> > On Nov 21, 2007 2:52 PM, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Please can you calrify which one is the correct definition of> Rudra:> > >> > > 1. Stronger of the lords of 8th hs (8th from lagna) or 2nd hs> (8th from> > > 7th)> > > 2. Lord of 8th from the stronger of the lagna or 7th hs> > > 3. Lord of 8th from stronger of lords of lagna or 7th hs> > >> > > Many Thanks> > > SS> > >> > >> >> >> >> > --> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit Poddar> >>--- End forwarded message ---

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear SS,

 

It is a common practice in longevity to move to the 8th from the

planet, if for some reason it fails to perform its job (say in this

case Rudra).

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

On Nov 22, 2007 3:47 PM, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote:

>

>

Hi Sharat, Sarajit and All,

>

> Sharat, what said u re. aspect of Mo on Le not likely to kill is mentioned

> in JMUS pg 222, however, for the same chart in COVA (pg 50) it is mentioned

> that " Both Gemini aspected by by Rahu & Venus and Leo conjoined Mars and

> aspected by Moon are likely to kill. "

>

> Can you give a reference text where it says that Rudra is further calculated

> 8th from a sign being aspected by Mo (or Ju/Su or whatever applicable)?

> However, jumping to another 8th lord is mentioned on pg 142 JMUS for

> certain lagnas as to when it is applicable, and is not applicable in this

> case.

>

> It however seems that the Rudra in this case has been calculated from

> Vriddha's Principle, as also mentiond in VA-AIA pg. 157. So for Cn lagna,

> Sg is the 8th hs, giving Ju as Rudra. However, J-Hora gives it as Su (direct

> 8th lord).

>

> Likewise, for Albert Einstein's chart (JMUS pg 174), Rudra is calculated as

> Mo (stronger is 7h Sg) and 8th lord from it as per Vriddha's Principle as

> well as direct 8th lord is Mo, whereas J-Hora calculates it as Sa (8th lord

> from lagna).

>

> So anyways, probably someone can clarify whether we use

>

> direct 8th lord or 8th lord as per Vriddha's method

>

> (of course, either wud be stronger from lagna or 7h)

>

> for calculating Rudra.

>

> Many Thanx

>

> SS

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote:

> >

> > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > Dear SS,

> > Greetings!

> > If I can offer my 2 cent of suggestion:

> > Indeed as per calculations Rudra is Leo/Sun; further it is said that Leo

> being aspected by Moon, cant kill. Hence we may take 8 th from this as the

> Rudra..which is Jupiter.

> > I could be wrong.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Sharat

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Soul Sadhak

> > sohamsa

> > Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:30 PM

> > Re: definition of Rudra

> >

> >

> > Thanx for the response Sarajit, i agree that is the definition given

> > in JMUS, COVA and Vedic Astrology - AIA.

> > However, i dont remember where i read the one under 3, will ppost the

> > reference if i come across it again.

> >

> > Meanwhile, can anyone explain this from JMUS (pg 222):

> >

> > Rudra for Smt Indira Gandhi's chart is taken as Jupiter - how has

> > this been calculated, given that lagna is Cn, 8th lord would either

> > be Su or Sa dpending on stronger beween lagna/7h?

> >

> > Many Thanx

> > SS

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sarajit Poddar " sarajit.poddar@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > > Dear SS,

> > >

> > > I consider it to be stronger of 2nd and 8th lord. I think option 3

> > is

> > > not correct.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > > On Nov 21, 2007 2:52 PM, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Please can you calrify which one is the correct definition of

> > Rudra:

> > > >

> > > > 1. Stronger of the lords of 8th hs (8th from lagna) or 2nd hs

> > (8th from

> > > > 7th)

> > > > 2. Lord of 8th from the stronger of the lagna or 7th hs

> > > > 3. Lord of 8th from stronger of lords of lagna or 7th hs

> > > >

> > > > Many Thanks

> > > > SS

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Sarajit Poddar

> > >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Best Wishes

Sarajit Poddar

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Dear SS,

No time to elaborate on this now but try and analyse Mrityupada (A8) and Shani's gochar over it and 8L and its trines to assess

' what kills the native'. Further look at 3 rd from AL as well.

Best

sharat

sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote:>> > Hi All,> > Any comments on point 5. ?> > .............................................> > Hi Sharat, Sarajit and All,> > 1. Sharat, what u said re. aspect of Mo on Le not likely to kill is> mentioned in JMUS pg 222, however, for the same chart in COVA (pg 50) it> is mentioned that "Both Gemini aspected by by Rahu & Venus and Leo> conjoined Mars and aspected by Moon are likely to kill."> > 2. Can you give a reference text where it says that Rudra is further> calculated 8th from a sign being aspected by Mo (or Ju/Su or whatever> applicable)? However, jumping to another 8th lord is mentioned on pg 142> JMUS for certain lagnas as to when it is applicable, and is not> applicable in this case.> > 3. However, as mentioned in VA-AIA pg. 157. Rudra has to be calculated> from Vriddha's Principle, so for Cn lagna, (Smt. Indira Gandhi's chart)> as per Vriddha's principle, 8th lord from lagna and 7h wud give either> Ju or Me, of which Me is stronger if we select stronger 8th lord from> lagna/7h.> > So should it not be Me rather than Ju?> > However if we select 8th lord (as per Vriddha's principle) from stronger> of lagna/7h, then it comes to Ju, since lagna is stronger.> > However, J-Hora gives it as Su (direct 8th lord with 7h stronger).> > 4. Likewise, for Albert Einstein's chart (JMUS pg 174), Rudra is> calculated as Mo, whereas J-Hora calculates it as Sa. Now if we see> stronger of 8th lord (direct as well as Vriddha's principle) it wud> either be Mo or Sa. But isn't stronger of them Sa, rather than Mo?> > Or, is it that Mo, the weaker one, is aspected by Ma and Ra, hence> afflicted, so acquires status of Rudra?> > Or, is it that 7h is stronger, so 8th lord (direct/Vriddha's) is Mo?> > 5. So anyways, probably someone can clarify the following:> > a. whether we use "direct 8th lord" or "8th lord as per Vriddha's> method" for calculating Rudra.> > b. whether we take "stronger out of lord of 2nd or lord of 8th",> > or, do we take "8th lord from stronger of lagna or 7h"?> > Many Thanx> > SS> sohamsa , "Sharat" gidoc@ wrote:> >> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear SS,> > Greetings!> > If I can offer my 2 cent of suggestion:> > Indeed as per calculations Rudra is Leo/Sun; further it is said that> Leo being aspected by Moon, cant kill. Hence we may take 8 th from this> as the Rudra..which is Jupiter.> > I could be wrong.> >> > Best wishes> > Sharat> >> >> >> > -> > Soul Sadhak> > sohamsa > > Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:30 PM> > Re: definition of Rudra> >> >> > Thanx for the response Sarajit, i agree that is the definition given> > in JMUS, COVA and Vedic Astrology - AIA.> > However, i dont remember where i read the one under 3, will ppost the> > reference if i come across it again.> >> > Meanwhile, can anyone explain this from JMUS (pg 222):> >> > Rudra for Smt Indira Gandhi's chart is taken as Jupiter - how has> > this been calculated, given that lagna is Cn, 8th lord would either> > be Su or Sa dpending on stronger beween lagna/7h?> >> > Many Thanx> > SS> >> > sohamsa , "Sarajit Poddar" sarajit.poddar@> > wrote:> > >> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > > Dear SS,> > >> > > I consider it to be stronger of 2nd and 8th lord. I think option 3> > is> > > not correct.> > >> > > Regards> > > Sarajit> > >> > > On Nov 21, 2007 2:52 PM, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Please can you calrify which one is the correct definition of> > Rudra:> > > >> > > > 1. Stronger of the lords of 8th hs (8th from lagna) or 2nd hs> > (8th from> > > > 7th)> > > > 2. Lord of 8th from the stronger of the lagna or 7th hs> > > > 3. Lord of 8th from stronger of lords of lagna or 7th hs> > > >> > > > Many Thanks> > > > SS> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Best Wishes> > > Sarajit Poddar> > >> >> > --- End forwarded message --->