Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Namaste scholars, please tell me how to take gender of ishtdev planet. suppose someone has moon as symbol of istdevta.moon symbolises gauri, kali , krishna . so whether we have to go back in rashi chart to see the rashi of moon in rashi chart or navansha chart. Is taking male or female gender from rashi is ok. or someanotjher method aplied. please give me light on this divine topic. thanks, dheerajj khosla Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Dheerj, Ishta devta is Vishnu swaroop, hence take His forms. Best Sharat - dheeraj khosla sohamsa Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:10 PM how to know male or female deity Namaste scholars, please tell me how to take gender of ishtdev planet. suppose someone has moon as symbol of istdevta.moon symbolises gauri, kali , krishna . so whether we have to go back in rashi chart to see the rashi of moon in rashi chart or navansha chart. Is taking male or female gender from rashi is ok. or someanotjher method aplied. please give me light on this divine topic. thanks, dheerajj khosla Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Ishta devata have to be based on which sign and which planet occupies that sign, So it need not be only vishnu swaroopas, I don't believe that it should be of vishnu swaroopas, now this could spark people of different sects to argue. So I would like to tell, for me in D9 from AK 12H is Karka sign, so moon is the graha, I like Devi matha. Regards AnandOn Nov 26, 2007 12:21 AM, Sharat <gidoc wrote: ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Dheerj, Ishta devta is Vishnu swaroop, hence take His forms. Best Sharat - dheeraj khosla sohamsa Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:10 PM how to know male or female deity Namaste scholars, please tell me how to take gender of ishtdev planet. suppose someone has moon as symbol of istdevta.moon symbolises gauri, kali , krishna . so whether we have to go back in rashi chart to see the rashi of moon in rashi chart or navansha chart. Is taking male or female gender from rashi is ok. or someanotjher method aplied. please give me light on this divine topic. thanks, dheerajj khosla Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. -- ThanksAnand Srivatsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Anand , Namaskar Is this Moon/Cancer somehow connected to 4 from Karakamsa or 6 from AmK? Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Anand Srivatsa napisał(a): Ishta devata have to be based on which sign and which planet occupies that sign, So it need not be only vishnu swaroopas, I don't believe that it should be of vishnu swaroopas, now this could spark people of different sects to argue. So I would like to tell, for me in D9 from AK 12H is Karka sign, so moon is the graha, I like Devi matha. Regards Anand On Nov 26, 2007 12:21 AM, Sharat <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Dheerj, Ishta devta is Vishnu swaroop, hence take His forms. Best Sharat ----- Original Message ----- dheeraj khosla To: sohamsa Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: how to know male or female deity Namaste scholars, please tell me how to take gender of ishtdev planet. suppose someone has moon as symbol of istdevta.moon symbolises gauri, kali , krishna . so whether we have to go back in rashi chart to see the rashi of moon in rashi chart or navansha chart. Is taking male or female gender from rashi is ok. or someanotjher method aplied. please give me light on this divine topic. thanks, dheerajj khosla Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. -- Thanks Anand Srivatsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Namaste scholars, Thanks for your responses , but somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional chart at this stage . Its more confusing that some take planets sign from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT DEVTA ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an astrologer). You are all experience one , so please use some previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. Some stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different formulaes.( atleast in percentage ratio). One question more - that how choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12 th from the karkansha lagna. SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). I AM CONFUSED !!!! If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. Thanks, dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Dear Rafal, Moon is 4H from Karakamsa. I think you have an answer based on my reply. Please do so. I would like to learn. But I am attaching a document for the rest of the students and seekers, I think it is from Guru Sanjay Rath. Thanks Anand On Nov 26, 2007 2:13 PM, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: hare rama krsnaDear Anand , NamaskarIs this Moon/Cancer somehow connected to 4 from Karakamsa or 6 from AmK?Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafalSkypeID: jyotraff1Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.comAnand Srivatsa napisa³(a): Ishta devata have to be based on which sign and which planet occupies that sign, So it need not be only vishnu swaroopas, I don't believe that it should be of vishnu swaroopas, now this could spark people of different sects to argue. So I would like to tell, for me in D9 from AK 12H is Karka sign, so moon is the graha, I like Devi matha. RegardsAnand On Nov 26, 2007 12:21 AM, Sharat <gidoc wrote: ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Dheerj, Ishta devta is Vishnu swaroop, hence take His forms. Best Sharat - dheeraj khosla sohamsa Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:10 PM how to know male or female deity Namaste scholars, please tell me how to take gender of ishtdev planet. suppose someone has moon as symbol of istdevta.moon symbolises gauri, kali , krishna . so whether we have to go back in rashi chart to see the rashi of moon in rashi chart or navansha chart. Is taking male or female gender from rashi is ok. or someanotjher method aplied. please give me light on this divine topic. thanks, dheerajj khosla Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. -- ThanksAnand Srivatsa -- ThanksAnand Srivatsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Anand , Namaskar I knew it, so its Devi. Planets in 6 from AmK also shows Devi, those in 9 from NL shows Vishnu, 5 from KK Shiva etc. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Anand Srivatsa napisa³(a): Dear Rafal, Moon is 4H from Karakamsa. I think you have an answer based on my reply. Please do so. I would like to learn. But I am attaching a document for the rest of the students and seekers, I think it is from Guru Sanjay Rath. Thanks Anand On Nov 26, 2007 2:13 PM, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: hare rama krsna Dear Anand , Namaskar Is this Moon/Cancer somehow connected to 4 from Karakamsa or 6 from AmK? Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Anand Srivatsa napisa³(a): Ishta devata have to be based on which sign and which planet occupies that sign, So it need not be only vishnu swaroopas, I don't believe that it should be of vishnu swaroopas, now this could spark people of different sects to argue. So I would like to tell, for me in D9 from AK 12H is Karka sign, so moon is the graha, I like Devi matha. Regards Anand On Nov 26, 2007 12:21 AM, Sharat <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote: ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Dheerj, Ishta devta is Vishnu swaroop, hence take His forms. Best Sharat ----- Original Message ----- dheeraj khosla To: sohamsa Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: how to know male or female deity Namaste scholars, please tell me how to take gender of ishtdev planet. suppose someone has moon as symbol of istdevta.moon symbolises gauri, kali , krishna . so whether we have to go back in rashi chart to see the rashi of moon in rashi chart or navansha chart. Is taking male or female gender from rashi is ok. or someanotjher method aplied. please give me light on this divine topic. thanks, dheerajj khosla Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. -- Thanks Anand Srivatsa -- Thanks Anand Srivatsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Nitish, Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka, look at planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa lagna, the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards Moksha. Best Sharat sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya wrote:>> || OM TAT SAT ||> Dear SS, Dheeraj,> Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other planet.> 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his life> as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is ATMA-Karaka and> not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only direct a> person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the> direction of Ketu viz Moksha.> One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and the> corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA of those> desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, which is> different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning back).> How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa to give> moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha?> Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of Ketu> in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise he can> forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and never> acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha.> > regards,> nitish> > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> >> > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for calculating > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord of Mo's > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo may > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated from 12th > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the one who > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the atman) - > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the desired/required > > deity is calculated, but the same term "Ishta" being used > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the confusion.> > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from karakamsa, > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. If not so, > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining higher > > degrees is stronger.> > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, since they > > move retrograde.> > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me).> > > > Learning,> > SS> > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Namaste scholars,> > > Thanks for your responses , but > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > chart at this stage .> > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT DEVTA > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > astrologer).> > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. Some > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different formulaes.( > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > One question more - that how > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!!> > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12 > > th from the karkansha lagna.> > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all).> > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!!> > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity)> > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student)> > > > > > > > > > > ____________________> > ______________> > > Be a better pen pal. > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. > > http://overview.mail./> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Nitish, You said thus the planets placed there will only direct a > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha Ketu is the mokshakaraka and hence the native attains Moksha. But 12th is the house of Moksha and hence planets placed there should drive the native towards Moksha (whether he attains it or not is another question). Hence I do not think other planets do not lead the native towards moksha. Best Wishes Sarajit On Nov 28, 2007 5:26 PM, Sharat <gidoc wrote: > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Nitish, > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka, look at > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa lagna, the > strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards Moksha. > > Best > > Sharat > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya wrote: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other planet. > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his life > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is ATMA-Karaka and > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only direct a > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and the > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA of those > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, which is > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning back). > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa to give > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha? > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of Ketu > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise he can > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and never > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > regards, > > nitish > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for calculating > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord of Mo's > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo may > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated from 12th > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the one who > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the atman) - > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the desired/required > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " being used > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the confusion. > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from karakamsa, > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. If not so, > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining higher > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, since they > > > move retrograde. > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > Learning, > > > SS > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT DEVTA > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. Some > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different formulaes.( > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12 > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > ______________ > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. > > > http://overview.mail./ > > > > > > > > > > -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Dear Nitish, This does make sense, however, can one consider that one just consciously keeps focussing at Ke (wherever in navamsa) if one doesnt have it naturally and acquires moksha, without need of becoming Jeevanmukta? Or isnt it that becoming Jeevanmukta is a step towards acquiring moksha - like the activities of 4h and 8h are? Or is it that u r stating that 12th from AK is a step towards moksha - if that's so, that is agreeable. I guess everyone is at a different level of evolution, in that sense, bhakti (5h), gyana via guru (9h) etc. all are paths towards realisation (ultimately - may be thru many lifetimes) of what That/Brahman Is - but it's not all that wrong when we say that bhakti gives moksha and gyana yoga gives moksha - i think the term moksha is used with all these paths (4h/8h/5h/9h/12h activities) - may be add karma yoga - as all these, in one way or the other, lead towards moksha - and are not synonymous with Moksha - that is acquired only when that level of consciousness of detachment or zero karmic balance (or state of performing nishkama karma) is reached and one is permanently hooked to the Brahman. Jaimini used the term Ishta for deity calculated form 12th from KK, but isnt it actually that the term " Ishta " means the deity who one likes/loves (to worship/serve) - like Kali was who Ramakrishna liked to worship, but the Jaimini-Ishta was Sri Rama? May be Jaimini used the term to signify the deity who we (should) like in order to put us on the path to moksha (in whatever way - maybe by making us jeevanmukta). Interesting to ponder though that in which lifetime(s) wud have individuals like Guru Nanak, Meera, Adi Shankara, Srila Prabhupada, Ramakrishna Paramhansa would have consciously focussed on Ke in their navamsa to acquire that level of consciousness, else it must have evolved Naturally. brgds, SS sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya wrote: > > || OM TAT SAT || > Dear Sarajit, > Am glad to see your reply. > Leading towards and granting are two different things (esoterically, > the same difference as shakti and shiva). Even, 4th and 8th house lead > one towards moksha in their way and influence. Process of Leading > towards alone may consume a lifetime if the chetana is not developed > in that direction to receive the energies that one is applying. If > development of chetana doesn't happen naturally due to the placement > of Ke in 12th from AK, then one has to develop it consciously by > focusing on the house of placement of Ketu and not on the 12th from AK. > Further, all kinds of spiritual influences lead one forward on this > path, but they don't survive beyond a few spiritual experiences for > the same reason (shakti moves up but doesn't stay as there is nothing > to hold it there). This is all am emphasizing, that we need to have > persistence (chetana), which is same as focusing on chetana of Ketu, > wherever it is placed and to bring the awareness of ones' being to > that navamsa through that sign and lord - and if possible to focus all > ones' efforts (AK) in that direction. > Thus, 12th from AK is only referred to as Jeevanmuktamsa (freedom > from duties of a lifetime) as it frees up the life-force from the > entanglement of finished desires. But that freed up life-force needs > to be constantly engaged with the supreme brahman such that one never > comes back - otherwise even a misdirected thought at the time of death > is sufficient to lead the effort of a lifetime astray to any loka > other than brahmaloka (read up brahma sutras) and to return back to > this stupid earth. > regards, > nitish > > sohamsa , " Sarajit Poddar " sarajit.poddar@ > wrote: > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > You said > > thus the planets placed there will only direct a > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha > > > > Ketu is the mokshakaraka and hence the native attains Moksha. But 12th > > is the house of Moksha and hence planets placed there should drive the > > native towards Moksha (whether he attains it or not is another > > question). Hence I do not think other planets do not lead the native > > towards moksha. > > > > Best Wishes > > Sarajit > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 5:26 PM, Sharat gidoc@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka, > look at > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa > lagna, the > > > strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards Moksha. > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other planet. > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his life > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is ATMA-Karaka and > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only direct a > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and the > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA of > those > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, which is > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning back). > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa to give > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha? > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of Ketu > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise he can > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and never > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for calculating > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord of Mo's > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo may > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated from 12th > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the one who > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the > atman) - > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the > desired/required > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " being used > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the confusion. > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from > karakamsa, > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. If > not so, > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining higher > > > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, > since they > > > > > move retrograde. > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > > > > > Learning, > > > > > SS > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT DEVTA > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. Some > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different formulaes.( > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12 > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). > > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya||Dear SS, My humble thoughts and I am not an expert. 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed there can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna will predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by many combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru ; and Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60. 3.What helps attain Moksha? a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, planets aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta. 12H in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as the Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa. d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, will help increase bhakti towards Ishta. e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained. Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if the person can attain Moksha. Best Sharat - Soul Sadhak sohamsa Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM Re:how to know male or female deity Dear Nitish and Sharat,I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa is indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about identifying the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that is calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from planets posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the case may be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards attaining moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is attained wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes after connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime. Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant importance....As the 12th house is concerned with Moksha/activities related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen for determination of Ishta. Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from the same is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus indicated. Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some planets that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa lagna) - ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in 12th hs from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha? Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and Ve, as well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but assure moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are positioned in the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well.Brgds,SSsohamsa , "Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Nitish,> > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka, look at> planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa lagna,> the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards Moksha.> > Best> > Sharat> > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" nitish.arya@ wrote:> >> > || OM TAT SAT ||> > Dear SS, Dheeraj,> > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other planet.> > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his life> > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is ATMA-Karaka and> > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only direct a> > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the> > direction of Ketu viz Moksha.> > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and the> > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA of those> > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, which is> > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning back).> > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa to give> > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha?> > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of Ketu> > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise he can> > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and never> > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha.> >> > regards,> > nitish> >> >> > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> > >> > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for calculating> > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord of Mo's> > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo may> > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated from 12th> > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the one who> > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the atman)> -> > > so in that sense is the Ishta.> > >> > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the> desired/required> > > deity is calculated, but the same term "Ishta" being used> > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the confusion.> > >> > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from> karakamsa,> > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. If not> so,> > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining higher> > > degrees is stronger.> > >> > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, since> they> > > move retrograde.> > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me).> > >> > > Learning,> > > SS> > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste scholars,> > > > Thanks for your responses , but> > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major> > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of> > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20> > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other> > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional> > > chart at this stage .> > > >> > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign> > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know> > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only> > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and> > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT DEVTA> > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light> > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an> > > astrologer).> > > >> > > >> > > You are all experience one , so please use some> > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. Some> > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas> > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different formulaes.(> > > atleast in percentage ratio).> > > >> > > > One question more - that how> > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev> > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct> > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon> > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh> > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so> > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which> > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!!> > > >> > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes (> > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12> > > th from the karkansha lagna.> > > >> > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND> > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA> > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all).> > > >> > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!!> > > >> > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some> > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity)> > > >> > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ____________________> > > ______________> > > > Be a better pen pal.> > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how.> > > http://overview.mail./> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear nitish, I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to see if you will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to that...I will try remember exactly what it is! So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach there ...so isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise how does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is! Best sharat sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya wrote:>> || OM TAT SAT ||> Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit,> In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to the inner> world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would guide you to> open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the destination,> which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman in case of> Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other> sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere.> > regards,> nitish> > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> >> > > > Hi Sharat,> > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, will> > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection> > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: Ketu and> > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained." Gotcha.> > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS> > > > sohamsa , "Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> > >> > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > Dear SS,> > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert.> > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can> > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed there> > can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna will> > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha> > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by many> > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru ; and> > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60.> > > 3.What helps attain Moksha?> > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa> > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa> > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, planets> > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta. 12H> > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by> > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered> > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The> > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as the> > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like> > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not> > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in> > Jeevanmuktamsa.> > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, will> > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection> > >> > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart?> > > Look for sambandha between:> > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained.> > >> > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if the> > person can attain Moksha.> > >> > > Best> > > Sharat> > >> > >> > > -> > > Soul Sadhak> > > sohamsa > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM> > > Re:how to know male or female deity> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Nitish and Sharat,> > >> > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa is> > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about identifying> > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that is> > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from planets> > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the case may> > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards attaining> > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is attained> > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes after> > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime.> > >> > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of> > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant> > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with Moksha/activities> > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen for> > determination of Ishta.> > >> > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from the same> > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus indicated.> > >> > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some planets> > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa lagna) -> > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special> > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in 12th hs> > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha?> > >> > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and Ve, as> > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but assure> > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are positioned in> > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well.> > >> > > Brgds,> > >> > > SS> > >> > > sohamsa , "Sharat" gidoc@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > >> > > > Dear Nitish,> > > >> > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka,> > look at> > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa> > lagna,> > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards> > Moksha.> > > >> > > > Best> > > >> > > > Sharat> > > >> > > >> > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" nitish.arya@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj,> > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other> > planet.> > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his life> > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is ATMA-Karaka> > and> > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only direct a> > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in the> > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha.> > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and the> > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA of> > those> > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, which is> > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning> > back).> > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa to> > give> > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha?> > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of> > Ketu> > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise he> > can> > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and> > never> > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > nitish> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for calculating> > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord of> > Mo's> > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo may> > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated from> > 12th> > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the one> > who> > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the> > atman)> > > > -> > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta.> > > > > >> > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the> > > > desired/required> > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term "Ishta" being used> > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the confusion.> > > > > >> > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from> > > > karakamsa,> > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. If> > not> > > > so,> > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining higher> > > > > > degrees is stronger.> > > > > >> > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, since> > > > they> > > > > > move retrograde.> > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me).> > > > > >> > > > > > Learning,> > > > > > SS> > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla <khosladheeraj@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaste scholars,> > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but> > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major> > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of> > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20> > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other> > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional> > > > > > chart at this stage .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign> > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know> > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only> > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and> > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT DEVTA> > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light> > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an> > > > > > astrologer).> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some> > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. Some> > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas> > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different formulaes.(> > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One question more - that how> > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev> > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct> > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon> > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh> > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so> > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which> > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes (> > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12> > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND> > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA> > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some> > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > ____________________> > > > > > ______________> > > > > > > Be a better pen pal.> > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dear Nitish, While your thoughts are crystal clear, the astrology behind them is rather vague at best. Can you clarify a bit? Specifically I dont understand the astrology behind your statement that one must focus on Ketu in D-9 for moksha. Yes, Ketu is mokshakaraka. But pardon my confused thinking here, but isnt Ketu's moksha significatorship a naisargika significatorship? Naisargika karakas are at the level of the mind, are they not? Ketu has a lot of other naisargika significatorships not just moksha. But lets agree with you (I assume you know, I dont) that it is Ketu's moksha significatorship that is most evident in D-9. But " doing the right things " (whatever they are, I assume you will tell us with astrological justification) to highlight Ketu's role in D-9, will, I suspect, only improve the mind's attitude towards moksha. The atma has to be ready too, no?? For that the charakarakas have to be seen (since that is how the Atma manifests, see Visti's wonderful posts a while ago) and if Ketu has no relationship with 12th from AK in D-9, I dont see exactly where the Ketu-highlighting path will lead. Probably right back to the Ishta (the 12th from AK in D-9 kind of Ishta, I mean). Of course, if Ketu already has a relationship, it's a slam-dunk in the right direction (pardon the basketball lingo). Would love to see an in-depth reply from you and anyone else who has deep thoughts on this topic.. Sincerely, Sundeep sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear nitish, > > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to see if you > will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to that...I > will try remember exactly what it is! > > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach there ...so isnt > it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise how does it > make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is! > > Best > > sharat sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit, > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to the inner > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would guide you to > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the destination, > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman in case of > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > > regards, > > nitish > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Sharat, > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, > will > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: Ketu > and > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained. " > Gotcha. > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > Dear SS, > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert. > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed > there > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna > will > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by many > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru ; > and > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60. > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha? > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, > planets > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta. > 12H > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as > the > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in > > > Jeevanmuktamsa. > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, > will > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection > > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? > > > > Look for sambandha between: > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > attained. > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if the > > > person can attain Moksha. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Soul Sadhak > > > > sohamsa > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM > > > > Re:how to know male or female deity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat, > > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa is > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about > identifying > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that is > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from planets > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the case > may > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards > attaining > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is > attained > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes after > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime. > > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with Moksha/activities > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen for > > > determination of Ishta. > > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from the > same > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus > indicated. > > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some planets > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa lagna) > - > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in 12th > hs > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha? > > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and Ve, > as > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but assure > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are > positioned in > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well. > > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " gidoc@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha- karaka, > > > look at > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa > > > lagna, > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " nitish.arya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other > > > planet. > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his > life > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is > ATMA-Karaka > > > and > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only > direct a > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in > the > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and > the > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA > of > > > those > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, > which is > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning > > > back). > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa > to > > > give > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha? > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of > > > Ketu > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise > he > > > can > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self- fulfillment and > > > never > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for > calculating > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord > of > > > Mo's > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo > may > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated > from > > > 12th > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the > one > > > who > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the > > > atman) > > > > > - > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the > > > > > desired/required > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " being used > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from > > > > > karakamsa, > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. > If > > > not > > > > > so, > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining > higher > > > > > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, > since > > > > > they > > > > > > > move retrograde. > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning, > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla > <khosladheeraj@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > > > > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast - ISHT > DEVTA > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > > > > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. > Some > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different > formulaes.( > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12 > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. > > > > > > > http://overview.mail./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dear Sundeep, Go through my last email to SS, exactly on these points,perhaps it may help. Best sharat - vedicastrostudent sohamsa Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:34 PM Re:how to know male or female deity Dear Nitish,While your thoughts are crystal clear, the astrology behind them is rather vague at best. Can you clarify a bit? Specifically I dont understand the astrology behind your statement that one must focus on Ketu in D-9 for moksha. Yes, Ketu is mokshakaraka. But pardon my confused thinking here, but isnt Ketu's moksha significatorship a naisargika significatorship? Naisargika karakas are at the level of the mind, are they not? Ketu has a lot of other naisargika significatorships not just moksha. But lets agree with you (I assume you know, I dont) that it is Ketu's moksha significatorship that is most evident in D-9. But "doing the right things" (whatever they are, I assume you will tell us with astrological justification) to highlight Ketu's role in D-9, will, I suspect, only improve the mind's attitude towards moksha. The atma has to be ready too, no?? For that the charakarakas have to be seen (since that is how the Atma manifests, see Visti's wonderful posts a while ago) and if Ketu has no relationship with 12th from AK in D-9, I dont see exactly where the Ketu-highlighting path will lead. Probably right back to the Ishta (the 12th from AK in D-9 kind of Ishta, I mean). Of course, if Ketu already has a relationship, it's a slam-dunk in the right direction (pardon the basketball lingo).Would love to see an in-depth reply from you and anyone else who has deep thoughts on this topic..Sincerely,Sundeepsohamsa , "Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear nitish,> > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to see if you> will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to that...I> will try remember exactly what it is!> > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach there ...so isnt> it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise how does it> make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is!> > Best> > sharat> > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> wrote:> >> > || OM TAT SAT ||> > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit,> > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to the inner> > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would guide you to> > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the destination,> > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman in case of> > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other> > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere.> >> > regards,> > nitish> >> > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Hi Sharat,> > >> > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it,> will> > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > >> > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection> > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: Ketu> and> > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained."> Gotcha.> > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS> > >> > > sohamsa , "Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> > > >> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > Dear SS,> > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert.> > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can> > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed> there> > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna> will> > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha> > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by many> > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru ;> and> > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60.> > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha?> > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa> > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa> > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha,> planets> > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta.> 12H> > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by> > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered> > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The> > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as> the> > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like> > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not> > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in> > > Jeevanmuktamsa.> > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it,> will> > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection> > > >> > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart?> > > > Look for sambandha between:> > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be> attained.> > > >> > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if the> > > person can attain Moksha.> > > >> > > > Best> > > > Sharat> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > Soul Sadhak> > > > sohamsa > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM> > > > Re:how to know male or female deity> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat,> > > >> > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa is> > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about> identifying> > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that is> > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from planets> > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the case> may> > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards> attaining> > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is> attained> > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes after> > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime.> > > >> > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of> > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant> > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with Moksha/activities> > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen for> > > determination of Ishta.> > > >> > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from the> same> > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus> indicated.> > > >> > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some planets> > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa lagna)> -> > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special> > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in 12th> hs> > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha?> > > >> > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and Ve,> as> > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but assure> > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are> positioned in> > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well.> > > >> > > > Brgds,> > > >> > > > SS> > > >> > > > sohamsa , "Sharat" gidoc@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Nitish,> > > > >> > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka,> > > look at> > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa> > > lagna,> > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards> > > Moksha.> > > > >> > > > > Best> > > > >> > > > > Sharat> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" nitish.arya@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj,> > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other> > > planet.> > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his> life> > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is> ATMA-Karaka> > > and> > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only> direct a> > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in> the> > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha.> > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and> the> > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA> of> > > those> > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious,> which is> > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning> > > back).> > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa> to> > > give> > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha?> > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of> > > Ketu> > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise> he> > > can> > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and> > > never> > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > nitish> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for> calculating> > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord> of> > > Mo's> > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo> may> > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated> from> > > 12th> > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the> one> > > who> > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the> > > atman)> > > > > -> > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the> > > > > desired/required> > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term "Ishta" being used> > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the> confusion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from> > > > > karakamsa,> > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc.> If> > > not> > > > > so,> > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining> higher> > > > > > > degrees is stronger.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30,> since> > > > > they> > > > > > > move retrograde.> > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Learning,> > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla> <khosladheeraj@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaste scholars,> > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but> > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major> > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of> > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20> > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other> > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional> > > > > > > chart at this stage .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign> > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know> > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only> > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and> > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT> DEVTA> > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light> > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an> > > > > > > astrologer).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some> > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones.> Some> > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas> > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different> formulaes.(> > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One question more - that how> > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev> > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct> > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon> > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh> > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so> > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which> > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes (> > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12> > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND> > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA> > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some> > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> _________> > > > > > > ______________> > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal.> > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dear Sharat, Thank you for your very detailed earlier post. You say: " 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed there can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna will predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha " Can you explain a bit more? Sounds similar to what I am saying - of course everything spiritual is eventually the " path to Moksha " . What I dont see is a comparative study of whether Ketu in D-9 shows a ? faster?, ?quicker?, ?more true? path to Moksha than the 12th from AK path, as shown in your other statement reproduced below. I still dont understand at all how can Nitish make any statement of Ketu and Moksha without including AK in it anywhere.. Sundeep " c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, planets aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta. 12H in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as the Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa. d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, will help increase bhakti towards Ishta. e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Sundeep, Simply put: In D9 Ketu-->Guru---> shows path towards Moksha Ishta--> shows path to Moksha Can Ketu do this all by itself..that is perhaps what nitish is saying. But unless Ketu connects with navamsa lagna or its trines, how will it connect with the native. It will if it shows the Guru. Ishta can do it alone..yes perhaps ..as this is linked to AK Sambandha between Ketu and Ishta will make it doubly easier..if you see what I mean. Best sharat - vedicastrostudent sohamsa Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:37 PM Re:how to know male or female deity Dear Sharat,Thank you for your very detailed earlier post. You say:"1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed there can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna will predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha"Can you explain a bit more? Sounds similar to what I am saying - of course everything spiritual is eventually the "path to Moksha". What I dont see is a comparative study of whether Ketu in D-9 shows a ?faster?, ?quicker?, ?more true? path to Moksha than the 12th from AK path, as shown in your other statement reproduced below. I still dont understand at all how can Nitish make any statement of Ketu and Moksha without including AK in it anywhere..Sundeep" c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, planets aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta. 12H in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as the Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa.d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, will help increase bhakti towards Ishta.e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Dear Sharat, Its not that I dont see the syntactic difference in the two. Its at the deeper semantic level that I cant see the *astrological* basis at all of the only-Ketu story. Eventually, Moksha is the shedding of the final bit of individuality (the soul itself) to merge with the Supreme. As I understand Sanjayji (please correct me if I dont), this exact thing (i.e. what-needs-to-be-done-to-shed-the-last- vestige) is what is shown in 12th from Karakamsa in D-9. So whatever is shown by the 12th from KK must be addressed in any quest for Moksha, otherwise Moksha is impossible. So my question is how exactly is Ketu addressing this. Give me the astrological term - does Ketu have some secret dristi, secret lordship or what of 12th from KK. Simply by influencing trines from Navamsa Lagna, I can see it influence the dharma of the native to search for the right Guru. But even the right Guru must eventually help the native face the 12th from KK requirements. Is it Ketu's moksha karakatwa then? Can this secretly speed things up faster than what is implied by 12th from KK? If so, then by analogy can I do something with natural AmK Jupiter to improve my career, irrespective of whether Jupiter influences the 10th house in my Rasi or dasamsa? Or similarly with natural AK Sun to achieve my true goals in this life? Sundeep sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > Dear Sundeep, > Simply put: > In D9 > Ketu-->Guru---> shows path towards Moksha > Ishta--> shows path to Moksha > Can Ketu do this all by itself..that is perhaps what nitish is saying. But unless Ketu connects with navamsa lagna or its trines, how will it connect with the native. It will if it shows the Guru. > Ishta can do it alone..yes perhaps ..as this is linked to AK > > Sambandha between Ketu and Ishta will make it doubly easier..if you see what I mean. > > Best > sharat > > - > vedicastrostudent > sohamsa > Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:37 PM > Re:how to know male or female deity > > > Dear Sharat, > Thank you for your very detailed earlier post. You say: > > " 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed > there can be more than one but among these the one influencing the > lagna will predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path > of Moksha " > > Can you explain a bit more? Sounds similar to what I am saying - of > course everything spiritual is eventually the " path to Moksha " . What > I dont see is a comparative study of whether Ketu in D-9 shows a ? > faster?, ?quicker?, ?more true? path to Moksha than the 12th from AK > path, as shown in your other statement reproduced below. I still > dont understand at all how can Nitish make any statement of Ketu and > Moksha without including AK in it anywhere.. > > Sundeep > > " > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, > planets aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading > towards Ishta. 12H in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash > tatva signified by Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is > considered Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this > way. The planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi > devta as the Ishta, so then the form has to be considered > Sarvavyapakesh( like Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity > is Shiva and not necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet > posited in Jeevanmuktamsa. > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, will > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 || OM TAT SAT || Dear SS,sharat,sundeep, > Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other sambandha > except placement else we reach elsewhere. Looking directly at Ketu with respect to its placement means, looking through the eyes of the devata of the mantra you are reciting. This means the mantra devata should sit in the same house where your ketu is in navamsa or shashtyamsa etc. If this mantra devata is also Ishta devata, it would start making sense to you as deeper realizations. With Ke in 10th in D-9, you may choose mantra of ishta devata such that the mantra devata sits in 10th house. The relationship between the source and sink houses will colour the experience. This is just my opinion of how it works! regards, nitish ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear nitish, I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to see if you will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to that...I will try remember exactly what it is! So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach there ...so isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise how does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is! Best sharat sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > > ok, so how do we look at Ke anywhere in the navamsa? say if it is in 10h > conjoined AK, what wud it signify wrt the Atman or moksha in that > lifetime or how can we exploit it to the advantage of getting moksha? > Like do we worship the lord of the hs having Ke or what? > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit, > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to the inner > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would guide you to > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the destination, > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman in case of > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > > regards, > > nitish > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Sharat, > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, > will > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: Ketu > and > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained. " > Gotcha. > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > Dear SS, > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert. > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet can > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed > there > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing the lagna > will > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of Moksha > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by many > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru ; > and > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60. > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha? > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, > planets > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards Ishta. > 12H > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified by > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. The > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta as > the > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( like > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in > > > Jeevanmuktamsa. > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with it, > will > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection > > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? > > > > Look for sambandha between: > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > attained. > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if the > > > person can attain Moksha. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Soul Sadhak > > > > sohamsa > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM > > > > Re:how to know male or female deity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat, > > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa is > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about > identifying > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that is > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from planets > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the case > may > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards > attaining > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is > attained > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes after > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime. > > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with Moksha/activities > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen for > > > determination of Ishta. > > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from the > same > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus > indicated. > > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some planets > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa lagna) > - > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in 12th > hs > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha? > > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and Ve, > as > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but assure > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are > positioned in > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well. > > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " gidoc@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the moksha-karaka, > > > look at > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to Navamsa > > > lagna, > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path towards > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " nitish.arya@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no other > > > planet. > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in his > life > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is > ATMA-Karaka > > > and > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only > direct a > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not in > the > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta (and > the > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the ATMA > of > > > those > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, > which is > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep returning > > > back). > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from Karakamsa > to > > > give > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha? > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at position of > > > Ketu > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, otherwise > he > > > can > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment and > > > never > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for > calculating > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from lord > of > > > Mo's > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one for Mo > may > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated > from > > > 12th > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be the > one > > > who > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of the > > > atman) > > > > > - > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the > > > > > desired/required > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " being used > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th from > > > > > karakamsa, > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation etc. > If > > > not > > > > > so, > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining > higher > > > > > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from 30, > since > > > > > they > > > > > > > move retrograde. > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning, > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla > <khosladheeraj@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > > > > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity only > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava and > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT > DEVTA > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine light > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > > > > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. > Some > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . Datas > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different > formulaes.( > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - moon > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in navansh > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me which > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen 12 > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA AND > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 || OM TAT SAT || Dear SS, You have got it right. We need to worship ishta devata to guide our inner journey towards the destination shown by Ketu and grant us wisdom. regards, nitish sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > > so u r saying that in a sense Ke in nav, if connected with the " Ishta > Devata " (i.e. 12th from KK) is more likely to speed up the process? > > If this is so, then what u r saying is that whether or not sambandha > exists b/w Ke and Ishta in navamsa (as Sharat said point 3d, 3e, and > 4), the sambandha can/shd be established b/w the 2 by way of Mantra for > Ishta - and that can speed up the movement towards destination Ke > (moksha). > > Or did i miss something? > > Else if u just look at Ke (do mantra for devata sitting where Ke sits), > without involving Ishta, wont it create more confusion since the person > may not be jeevanmukta enough to go on to acquire moksha. > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear SS,sharat,sundeep, > > > > > Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other sambandha > > > except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > Looking directly at Ketu with respect to its placement means, > > looking through the eyes of the devata of the mantra you are reciting. > > This means the mantra devata should sit in the same house where > > your ketu is in navamsa or shashtyamsa etc. If this mantra devata is > > also Ishta devata, it would start making sense to you as deeper > > realizations. > > With Ke in 10th in D-9, you may choose mantra of ishta devata such > > that the mantra devata sits in 10th house. The relationship between > > the source and sink houses will colour the experience. > > This is just my opinion of how it works! > > regards, > > nitish > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > Dear nitish, > > > > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to see if you > > will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to > > that...I will try remember exactly what it is! > > > > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach there ...so > > isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise how > > does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is! > > > > Best > > > > sharat > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > ok, so how do we look at Ke anywhere in the navamsa? say if it is in > 10h > > > conjoined AK, what wud it signify wrt the Atman or moksha in that > > > lifetime or how can we exploit it to the advantage of getting > moksha? > > > Like do we worship the lord of the hs having Ke or what? > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit, > > > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to the > inner > > > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would guide > you to > > > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the > destination, > > > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman in case > of > > > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > > > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sharat, > > > > > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with > it, > > > will > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: > Ketu > > > and > > > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained. " > > > Gotcha. > > > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert. > > > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet > can > > > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed > > > there > > > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing the > lagna > > > will > > > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of > Moksha > > > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by > many > > > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru > ; > > > and > > > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60. > > > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha? > > > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa > > > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa > > > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, > > > planets > > > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards > Ishta. > > > 12H > > > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified > by > > > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered > > > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. > The > > > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta > as > > > the > > > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( > like > > > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not > > > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in > > > > > Jeevanmuktamsa. > > > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with > it, > > > will > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? > > > > > > Look for sambandha between: > > > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > > > attained. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if > the > > > > > person can attain Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Soul Sadhak > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM > > > > > > Re:how to know male or female deity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa > is > > > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about > > > identifying > > > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that > is > > > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from > planets > > > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the > case > > > may > > > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards > > > attaining > > > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is > > > attained > > > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes > after > > > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of > > > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant > > > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with > Moksha/activities > > > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen > for > > > > > determination of Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from > the > > > same > > > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus > > > indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some > planets > > > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa > lagna) > > > - > > > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special > > > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in > 12th > > > hs > > > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and > Ve, > > > as > > > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but > assure > > > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are > > > positioned in > > > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " gidoc@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the > moksha-karaka, > > > > > look at > > > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to > Navamsa > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path > towards > > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " nitish.arya@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no > other > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in > his > > > life > > > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is > > > ATMA-Karaka > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only > > > direct a > > > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not > in > > > the > > > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta > (and > > > the > > > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the > ATMA > > > of > > > > > those > > > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, > > > which is > > > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep > returning > > > > > back). > > > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from > Karakamsa > > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha? > > > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at > position of > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, > otherwise > > > he > > > > > can > > > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-fulfillment > and > > > > > never > > > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for > > > calculating > > > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from > lord > > > of > > > > > Mo's > > > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one > for Mo > > > may > > > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated > > > from > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be > the > > > one > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of > the > > > > > atman) > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the > > > > > > > desired/required > > > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " being > used > > > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th > from > > > > > > > karakamsa, > > > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation > etc. > > > If > > > > > not > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining > > > higher > > > > > > > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from > 30, > > > since > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > move retrograde. > > > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning, > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla > > > <khosladheeraj@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > > > > > > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity > only > > > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava > and > > > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT > > > DEVTA > > > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine > light > > > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > > > > > > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. > > > Some > > > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . > Datas > > > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different > > > formulaes.( > > > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - > moon > > > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in > navansh > > > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me > which > > > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen > 12 > > > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA > AND > > > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. > > > > > > > > > http://overview.mail./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Hardly get to see any mails, as was tied with runanubandhana. earlier had more runa with these lists, so was able to contribute, but due to increased runa with other forms of life, there is less interaction. coming to the point, it is futile to discuss moksha, untill you get it. till that time it is like blind man showing direction to others, which is a bigger crime than killing someone. so folks who have not touched, tasted, smelt, felt, seen moksha, avoid unnecessary debates. it is good for your health and peace of mind. thanks sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya wrote: > > || OM TAT SAT || > Dear SS, > You have got it right. We need to worship ishta devata to guide our > inner journey towards the destination shown by Ketu and grant us wisdom. > > regards, > nitish > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > so u r saying that in a sense Ke in nav, if connected with the " Ishta > > Devata " (i.e. 12th from KK) is more likely to speed up the process? > > > > If this is so, then what u r saying is that whether or not sambandha > > exists b/w Ke and Ishta in navamsa (as Sharat said point 3d, 3e, and > > 4), the sambandha can/shd be established b/w the 2 by way of Mantra for > > Ishta - and that can speed up the movement towards destination Ke > > (moksha). > > > > Or did i miss something? > > > > Else if u just look at Ke (do mantra for devata sitting where Ke sits), > > without involving Ishta, wont it create more confusion since the person > > may not be jeevanmukta enough to go on to acquire moksha. > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > Dear SS,sharat,sundeep, > > > > > > > Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other sambandha > > > > except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > Looking directly at Ketu with respect to its placement means, > > > looking through the eyes of the devata of the mantra you are reciting. > > > This means the mantra devata should sit in the same house where > > > your ketu is in navamsa or shashtyamsa etc. If this mantra devata is > > > also Ishta devata, it would start making sense to you as deeper > > > realizations. > > > With Ke in 10th in D-9, you may choose mantra of ishta devata such > > > that the mantra devata sits in 10th house. The relationship between > > > the source and sink houses will colour the experience. > > > This is just my opinion of how it works! > > > regards, > > > nitish > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > Dear nitish, > > > > > > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to see if you > > > will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to > > > that...I will try remember exactly what it is! > > > > > > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach there ...so > > > isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise how > > > does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is! > > > > > > Best > > > > > > sharat > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so how do we look at Ke anywhere in the navamsa? say if it is in > > 10h > > > > conjoined AK, what wud it signify wrt the Atman or moksha in that > > > > lifetime or how can we exploit it to the advantage of getting > > moksha? > > > > Like do we worship the lord of the hs having Ke or what? > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit, > > > > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to the > > inner > > > > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would guide > > you to > > > > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the > > destination, > > > > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman in case > > of > > > > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > > > > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with > > it, > > > > will > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a connection > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha between: > > Ketu > > > > and > > > > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be attained. " > > > > Gotcha. > > > > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert. > > > > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what path/planet > > can > > > > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. Indeed > > > > there > > > > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing the > > lagna > > > > will > > > > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path of > > Moksha > > > > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is seen by > > many > > > > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta and Guru > > ; > > > > and > > > > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60. > > > > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha? > > > > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa > > > > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa > > > > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards Moksha, > > > > planets > > > > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading towards > > Ishta. > > > > 12H > > > > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva signified > > by > > > > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is considered > > > > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it this way. > > The > > > > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its Pratyadi devta > > as > > > > the > > > > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered Sarvavyapakesh( > > like > > > > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva and not > > > > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet posited in > > > > > > Jeevanmuktamsa. > > > > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha with > > it, > > > > will > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? > > > > > > > Look for sambandha between: > > > > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > > > > attained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar tells us if > > the > > > > > > person can attain Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM > > > > > > > Re:how to know male or female deity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from karakamsa > > is > > > > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about > > > > identifying > > > > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of moksha) that > > is > > > > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - from > > planets > > > > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, as the > > case > > > > may > > > > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path towards > > > > attaining > > > > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not moksha is > > > > attained > > > > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those changes > > after > > > > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the shackles of > > > > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains significant > > > > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with > > Moksha/activities > > > > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to be seen > > for > > > > > > determination of Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. Deity from > > the > > > > same > > > > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires thus > > > > indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite some > > planets > > > > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / navamsa > > lagna) > > > > - > > > > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the special > > > > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and planets in > > 12th > > > > hs > > > > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, Ju, Mo and > > Ve, > > > > as > > > > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, all but > > assure > > > > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets are > > > > positioned in > > > > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " gidoc@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the > > moksha-karaka, > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines to > > Navamsa > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the path > > towards > > > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " nitish.arya@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > > > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and no > > other > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native takes in > > his > > > > life > > > > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is > > > > ATMA-Karaka > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there will only > > > > direct a > > > > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction and not > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > > > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as Ishta > > (and > > > > the > > > > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it relieves the > > ATMA > > > > of > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to subconscious, > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep > > returning > > > > > > back). > > > > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from > > Karakamsa > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha? > > > > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at > > position of > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, > > otherwise > > > > he > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self- fulfillment > > and > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods for > > > > calculating > > > > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some from > > lord > > > > of > > > > > > Mo's > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like the one > > for Mo > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one calculated > > > > from > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said to be > > the > > > > one > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the bondages of > > the > > > > > > atman) > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which the > > > > > > > > desired/required > > > > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " being > > used > > > > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing the > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in 12th > > from > > > > > > > > karakamsa, > > > > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in own/exaltation > > etc. > > > > If > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one attaining > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, deduct from > > 30, > > > > since > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > move retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning, > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla > > > > <khosladheeraj@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean some major > > > > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding gender of > > > > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 vargas , D- 20 > > > > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev or other > > > > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this divisional > > > > > > > > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You know > > > > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes deity > > only > > > > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th bhava > > and > > > > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get atleast -ISHT > > > > DEVTA > > > > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because divine > > light > > > > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole aim of an > > > > > > > > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well knownones. > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this confusion . > > Datas > > > > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to different > > > > formulaes.( > > > > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany istdev > > > > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we also deduct > > > > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my case - > > moon > > > > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK in > > navansh > > > > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 degree. ( so > > > > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please tell me > > which > > > > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can be seen > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND DATA > > AND > > > > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE FORMULA > > > > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra and all). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will do some > > > > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. > > > > > > > > > > http://overview.mail./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear..( you forgot to sign your name) Many thanks for your insight. Perhaps then if are ' blind' we should not seek ' sight '? Kindly let us know how we can get in touch with people who have attained moksha for a first hand experience. Thanks for your help Best Sharat > Hardly get to see any mails, as was tied with runanubandhana. > earlier had more runa with these lists, so was able to contribute, > but due to increased runa with other forms of life, there is less > interaction.> > coming to the point, it is futile to discuss moksha, untill you get > it. till that time it is like blind man showing direction to others, > which is a bigger crime than killing someone. so folks who have not > touched, tasted, smelt, felt, seen moksha, avoid unnecessary > debates. it is good for your health and peace of mind.> > thanks> > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" nitish.arya@ wrote:> >> > || OM TAT SAT ||> > Dear SS,> > You have got it right. We need to worship ishta devata to guide > our> > inner journey towards the destination shown by Ketu and grant us > wisdom.> > > > regards,> > nitish> > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > so u r saying that in a sense Ke in nav, if connected with > the "Ishta> > > Devata" (i.e. 12th from KK) is more likely to speed up the > process?> > > > > > If this is so, then what u r saying is that whether or not > sambandha> > > exists b/w Ke and Ishta in navamsa (as Sharat said point 3d, > 3e, and> > > 4), the sambandha can/shd be established b/w the 2 by way of > Mantra for> > > Ishta - and that can speed up the movement towards destination Ke> > > (moksha).> > > > > > Or did i miss something?> > > > > > Else if u just look at Ke (do mantra for devata sitting where Ke > sits),> > > without involving Ishta, wont it create more confusion since the > person> > > may not be jeevanmukta enough to go on to acquire moksha.> > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > Dear SS,sharat,sundeep,> > > >> > > > > Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > sambandha> > > > > except placement else we reach elsewhere.> > > > Looking directly at Ketu with respect to its placement means,> > > > looking through the eyes of the devata of the mantra you are > reciting.> > > > This means the mantra devata should sit in the same house where> > > > your ketu is in navamsa or shashtyamsa etc. If this mantra > devata is> > > > also Ishta devata, it would start making sense to you as deeper> > > > realizations.> > > > With Ke in 10th in D-9, you may choose mantra of ishta devata > such> > > > that the mantra devata sits in 10th house. The relationship > between> > > > the source and sink houses will colour the experience.> > > > This is just my opinion of how it works!> > > > regards,> > > > nitish> > > >> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > >> > > > Dear nitish,> > > >> > > > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to > see if you> > > > will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to> > > > that...I will try remember exactly what it is!> > > >> > > > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach > there ...so> > > > isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise > how> > > > does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is!> > > >> > > > Best> > > >> > > > sharat> > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ok, so how do we look at Ke anywhere in the navamsa? say if > it is in> > > 10h> > > > > conjoined AK, what wud it signify wrt the Atman or moksha in > that> > > > > lifetime or how can we exploit it to the advantage of getting> > > moksha?> > > > > Like do we worship the lord of the hs having Ke or what?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit,> > > > > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to > the> > > inner> > > > > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would > guide> > > you to> > > > > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the> > > destination,> > > > > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman > in case> > > of> > > > > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any > other> > > > > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > nitish> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Sharat,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha > with> > > it,> > > > > will> > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a > connection> > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha > between:> > > Ketu> > > > > and> > > > > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > attained."> > > > > Gotcha.> > > > > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > > > > > Dear SS,> > > > > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert.> > > > > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what > path/planet> > > can> > > > > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. > Indeed> > > > > there> > > > > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing > the> > > lagna> > > > > will> > > > > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path > of> > > Moksha> > > > > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is > seen by> > > many> > > > > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta > and Guru> > > ;> > > > > and> > > > > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60.> > > > > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha?> > > > > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa> > > > > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa> > > > > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards > Moksha,> > > > > planets> > > > > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading > towards> > > Ishta.> > > > > 12H> > > > > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva > signified> > > by> > > > > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is > considered> > > > > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it > this way.> > > The> > > > > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its > Pratyadi devta> > > as> > > > > the> > > > > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered > Sarvavyapakesh(> > > like> > > > > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva > and not> > > > > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet > posited in> > > > > > > Jeevanmuktamsa.> > > > > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha > with> > > it,> > > > > will> > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a> > > connection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart?> > > > > > > > Look for sambandha between:> > > > > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha > can be> > > > > attained.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar > tells us if> > > the> > > > > > > person can attain Moksha.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > > Sharat> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak> > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM> > > > > > > > Re:how to know male or female deity> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from > karakamsa> > > is> > > > > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about> > > > > identifying> > > > > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of > moksha) that> > > is> > > > > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - > from> > > planets> > > > > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, > as the> > > case> > > > > may> > > > > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path > towards> > > > > attaining> > > > > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not > moksha is> > > > > attained> > > > > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those > changes> > > after> > > > > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the > shackles of> > > > > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains > significant> > > > > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with> > > Moksha/activities> > > > > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to > be seen> > > for> > > > > > > determination of Ishta.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. > Deity from> > > the> > > > > same> > > > > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires > thus> > > > > indicated.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite > some> > > planets> > > > > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / > navamsa> > > lagna)> > > > > -> > > > > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the > special> > > > > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and > planets in> > > 12th> > > > > hs> > > > > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, > Ju, Mo and> > > Ve,> > > > > as> > > > > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, > all but> > > assure> > > > > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets > are> > > > > positioned in> > > > > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Brgds,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sharat" gidoc@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the> > > moksha-karaka,> > > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines > to> > > Navamsa> > > > > > > lagna,> > > > > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the > path> > > towards> > > > > > > Moksha.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sharat> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" > nitish.arya@> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj,> > > > > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and > no> > > other> > > > > > > planet.> > > > > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native > takes in> > > his> > > > > life> > > > > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is> > > > > ATMA-Karaka> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there > will only> > > > > direct a> > > > > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction > and not> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha.> > > > > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as > Ishta> > > (and> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it > relieves the> > > ATMA> > > > > of> > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to > subconscious,> > > > > which is> > > > > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep> > > returning> > > > > > > back).> > > > > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from> > > Karakamsa> > > > > to> > > > > > > give> > > > > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in > navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at> > > position of> > > > > > > Ketu> > > > > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha,> > > otherwise> > > > > he> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-> fulfillment> > > and> > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > nitish> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" > soulsadhak@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods > for> > > > > calculating> > > > > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some > from> > > lord> > > > > of> > > > > > > Mo's> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like > the one> > > for Mo> > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one > calculated> > > > > from> > > > > > > 12th> > > > > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said > to be> > > the> > > > > one> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the > bondages of> > > the> > > > > > > atman)> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which > the> > > > > > > > > desired/required> > > > > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term "Ishta" > being> > > used> > > > > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing > the> > > > > confusion.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in > 12th> > > from> > > > > > > > > karakamsa,> > > > > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in > own/exaltation> > > etc.> > > > > If> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one > attaining> > > > > higher> > > > > > > > > > > degrees is stronger.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, > deduct from> > > 30,> > > > > since> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > move retrograde.> > > > > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Learning,> > > > > > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla> > > > > <khosladheeraj@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but> > > > > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean > some major> > > > > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding > gender of> > > > > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 > vargas , D- 20> > > > > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev > or other> > > > > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this > divisional> > > > > > > > > > > chart at this stage .> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign> > > > > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You > know> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes > deity> > > only> > > > > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th > bhava> > > and> > > > > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get > atleast -ISHT> > > > > DEVTA> > > > > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because > divine> > > light> > > > > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole > aim of an> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some> > > > > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well > knownones.> > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this > confusion .> > > Datas> > > > > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to > different> > > > > formulaes.(> > > > > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how> > > > > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany > istdev> > > > > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we > also deduct> > > > > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my > case -> > > moon> > > > > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK > in> > > navansh> > > > > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 > degree. ( so> > > > > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please > tell me> > > which> > > > > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes (> > > > > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can > be seen> > > 12> > > > > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND > DATA> > > AND> > > > > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE > FORMULA> > > > > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra > and all).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will > do some> > > > > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ___________________> _> > > > > > > > > > > ______________> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal.> > > > > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. > See how.> > > > > > > > > > > http://overview.mail./> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Dear SharatJi Namaste. Sri V. Parthasarathy Ji is SJC Guru. Regards Avinash Sharat <gidoc wrote: ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear..( you forgot to sign your name) Many thanks for your insight. Perhaps then if are ' blind' we should not seek ' sight '? Kindly let us know how we can get in touch with people who have attained moksha for a first hand experience. Thanks for your help Best Sharat > Hardly get to see any mails, as was tied with runanubandhana. > earlier had more runa with these lists, so was able to contribute, > but due to increased runa with other forms of life, there is less > interaction.> > coming to the point, it is futile to discuss moksha, untill you get > it. till that time it is like blind man showing direction to others, > which is a bigger crime than killing someone. so folks who have not > touched, tasted, smelt, felt, seen moksha, avoid unnecessary > debates. it is good for your health and peace of mind.> > thanks> > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" nitish.arya@ wrote:> >> > || OM TAT SAT ||> > Dear SS,> > You have got it right. We need to worship ishta devata to guide > our> > inner journey towards the destination shown by Ketu and grant us > wisdom.> > > > regards,> > nitish> > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > so u r saying that in a sense Ke in nav, if connected with > the "Ishta> > > Devata" (i.e. 12th from KK) is more likely to speed up the > process?> > > > > > If this is so, then what u r saying is that whether or not > sambandha> > > exists b/w Ke and Ishta in navamsa (as Sharat said point 3d, > 3e, and> > > 4), the sambandha can/shd be established b/w the 2 by way of > Mantra for> > > Ishta - and that can speed up the movement towards destination Ke> > > (moksha).> > > > > > Or did i miss something?> > > > > > Else if u just look at Ke (do mantra for devata sitting where Ke > sits),> > > without involving Ishta, wont it create more confusion since the > person> > > may not be jeevanmukta enough to go on to acquire moksha.> > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > Dear SS,sharat,sundeep,> > > >> > > > > Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > sambandha> > > > > except placement else we reach elsewhere.> > > > Looking directly at Ketu with respect to its placement means,> > > > looking through the eyes of the devata of the mantra you are > reciting.> > > > This means the mantra devata should sit in the same house where> > > > your ketu is in navamsa or shashtyamsa etc. If this mantra > devata is> > > > also Ishta devata, it would start making sense to you as deeper> > > > realizations.> > > > With Ke in 10th in D-9, you may choose mantra of ishta devata > such> > > > that the mantra devata sits in 10th house. The relationship > between> > > > the source and sink houses will colour the experience.> > > > This is just my opinion of how it works!> > > > regards,> > > > nitish> > > >> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > >> > > > Dear nitish,> > > >> > > > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to > see if you> > > > will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to> > > > that...I will try remember exactly what it is!> > > >> > > > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach > there ...so> > > > isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise > how> > > > does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is!> > > >> > > > Best> > > >> > > > sharat> > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ok, so how do we look at Ke anywhere in the navamsa? say if > it is in> > > 10h> > > > > conjoined AK, what wud it signify wrt the Atman or moksha in > that> > > > > lifetime or how can we exploit it to the advantage of getting> > > moksha?> > > > > Like do we worship the lord of the hs having Ke or what?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya@> > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit,> > > > > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to > the> > > inner> > > > > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would > guide> > > you to> > > > > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the> > > destination,> > > > > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman > in case> > > of> > > > > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any > other> > > > > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > nitish> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" soulsadhak@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Sharat,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha > with> > > it,> > > > > will> > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a > connection> > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha > between:> > > Ketu> > > > > and> > > > > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > attained."> > > > > Gotcha.> > > > > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sharat" <gidoc@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > > > > > Dear SS,> > > > > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert.> > > > > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what > path/planet> > > can> > > > > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. > Indeed> > > > > there> > > > > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing > the> > > lagna> > > > > will> > > > > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path > of> > > Moksha> > > > > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is > seen by> > > many> > > > > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta > and Guru> > > ;> > > > > and> > > > > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60.> > > > > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha?> > > > > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa> > > > > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa> > > > > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards > Moksha,> > > > > planets> > > > > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading > towards> > > Ishta.> > > > > 12H> > > > > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva > signified> > > by> > > > > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is > considered> > > > > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it > this way.> > > The> > > > > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its > Pratyadi devta> > > as> > > > > the> > > > > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered > Sarvavyapakesh(> > > like> > > > > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva > and not> > > > > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet > posited in> > > > > > > Jeevanmuktamsa.> > > > > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha > with> > > it,> > > > > will> > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta.> > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a> > > connection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart?> > > > > > > > Look for sambandha between:> > > > > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha > can be> > > > > attained.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar > tells us if> > > the> > > > > > > person can attain Moksha.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > > Sharat> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak> > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM> > > > > > > > Subject: Re:how to know male or female deity> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from > karakamsa> > > is> > > > > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about> > > > > identifying> > > > > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of > moksha) that> > > is> > > > > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - > from> > > planets> > > > > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, > as the> > > case> > > > > may> > > > > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path > towards> > > > > attaining> > > > > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not > moksha is> > > > > attained> > > > > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those > changes> > > after> > > > > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the > shackles of> > > > > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains > significant> > > > > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with> > > Moksha/activities> > > > > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to > be seen> > > for> > > > > > > determination of Ishta.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. > Deity from> > > the> > > > > same> > > > > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires > thus> > > > > indicated.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite > some> > > planets> > > > > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / > navamsa> > > lagna)> > > > > -> > > > > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the > special> > > > > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and > planets in> > > 12th> > > > > hs> > > > > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, > Ju, Mo and> > > Ve,> > > > > as> > > > > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, > all but> > > assure> > > > > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets > are> > > > > positioned in> > > > > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Brgds,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Sharat" gidoc@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the> > > moksha-karaka,> > > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines > to> > > Navamsa> > > > > > > lagna,> > > > > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the > path> > > towards> > > > > > > Moksha.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sharat> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "yeeahoo_99" > nitish.arya@> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT ||> > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj,> > > > > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and > no> > > other> > > > > > > planet.> > > > > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native > takes in> > > his> > > > > life> > > > > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is> > > > > ATMA-Karaka> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there > will only> > > > > direct a> > > > > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction > and not> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha.> > > > > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as > Ishta> > > (and> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it > relieves the> > > ATMA> > > > > of> > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to > subconscious,> > > > > which is> > > > > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep> > > returning> > > > > > > back).> > > > > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from> > > Karakamsa> > > > > to> > > > > > > give> > > > > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in > navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at> > > position of> > > > > > > Ketu> > > > > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha,> > > otherwise> > > > > he> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self-> fulfillment> > > and> > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > nitish> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" > soulsadhak@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods > for> > > > > calculating> > > > > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some > from> > > lord> > > > > of> > > > > > > Mo's> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like > the one> > > for Mo> > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one > calculated> > > > > from> > > > > > > 12th> > > > > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said > to be> > > the> > > > > one> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the > bondages of> > > the> > > > > > > atman)> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which > the> > > > > > > > > desired/required> > > > > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term "Ishta" > being> > > used> > > > > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing > the> > > > > confusion.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in > 12th> > > from> > > > > > > > > karakamsa,> > > > > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in > own/exaltation> > > etc.> > > > > If> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one > attaining> > > > > higher> > > > > > > > > > > degrees is stronger.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, > deduct from> > > 30,> > > > > since> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > move retrograde.> > > > > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Learning,> > > > > > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla> > > > > <khosladheeraj@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but> > > > > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean > some major> > > > > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding > gender of> > > > > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 > vargas , D- 20> > > > > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev > or other> > > > > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this > divisional> > > > > > > > > > > chart at this stage .> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign> > > > > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You > know> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes > deity> > > only> > > > > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th > bhava> > > and> > > > > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get > atleast -ISHT> > > > > DEVTA> > > > > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because > divine> > > light> > > > > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole > aim of an> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some> > > > > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well > knownones.> > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this > confusion .> > > Datas> > > > > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to > different> > > > > formulaes.(> > > > > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how> > > > > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany > istdev> > > > > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we > also deduct> > > > > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my > case -> > > moon> > > > > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK > in> > > navansh> > > > > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 > degree. ( so> > > > > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please > tell me> > > which> > > > > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes (> > > > > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can > be seen> > > 12> > > > > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND > DATA> > > AND> > > > > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE > FORMULA> > > > > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra > and all).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will > do some> > > > > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ___________________> _> > > > > > > > > > > ______________> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal.> > > > > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. > See how.> > > > > > > > > > > http://overview.mail./> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. 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Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 || OM TAT SAT || Dear Partha, You should read up the commentary on the first sutra of Brahma Sutras to dig deeper into the cause of this discussion, then presuming that an avoidance is necessary for health and peace of mind. It is there in the files section. regards, nitish sohamsa , " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu5 wrote: > > Hardly get to see any mails, as was tied with runanubandhana. > earlier had more runa with these lists, so was able to contribute, > but due to increased runa with other forms of life, there is less > interaction. > > coming to the point, it is futile to discuss moksha, untill you get > it. till that time it is like blind man showing direction to others, > which is a bigger crime than killing someone. so folks who have not > touched, tasted, smelt, felt, seen moksha, avoid unnecessary > debates. it is good for your health and peace of mind. > > thanks > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> wrote: > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > Dear SS, > > You have got it right. We need to worship ishta devata to guide > our > > inner journey towards the destination shown by Ketu and grant us > wisdom. > > > > regards, > > nitish > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > so u r saying that in a sense Ke in nav, if connected with > the " Ishta > > > Devata " (i.e. 12th from KK) is more likely to speed up the > process? > > > > > > If this is so, then what u r saying is that whether or not > sambandha > > > exists b/w Ke and Ishta in navamsa (as Sharat said point 3d, > 3e, and > > > 4), the sambandha can/shd be established b/w the 2 by way of > Mantra for > > > Ishta - and that can speed up the movement towards destination Ke > > > (moksha). > > > > > > Or did i miss something? > > > > > > Else if u just look at Ke (do mantra for devata sitting where Ke > sits), > > > without involving Ishta, wont it create more confusion since the > person > > > may not be jeevanmukta enough to go on to acquire moksha. > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > Dear SS,sharat,sundeep, > > > > > > > > > Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any other > sambandha > > > > > except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > > Looking directly at Ketu with respect to its placement means, > > > > looking through the eyes of the devata of the mantra you are > reciting. > > > > This means the mantra devata should sit in the same house where > > > > your ketu is in navamsa or shashtyamsa etc. If this mantra > devata is > > > > also Ishta devata, it would start making sense to you as deeper > > > > realizations. > > > > With Ke in 10th in D-9, you may choose mantra of ishta devata > such > > > > that the mantra devata sits in 10th house. The relationship > between > > > > the source and sink houses will colour the experience. > > > > This is just my opinion of how it works! > > > > regards, > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > Dear nitish, > > > > > > > > I am trying to recollect but there is a different scheme to > see if you > > > > will be going to 7 lokas/patalas or narka. Are you referring to > > > > that...I will try remember exactly what it is! > > > > > > > > So unless Ishta opens the door native would not reach > there ...so > > > > isnt it vital that Ishta have a smabandha with Ketu? Otherwise > how > > > > does it make a difference to me(AK) where Ketu is! > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > sharat > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, so how do we look at Ke anywhere in the navamsa? say if > it is in > > > 10h > > > > > conjoined AK, what wud it signify wrt the Atman or moksha in > that > > > > > lifetime or how can we exploit it to the advantage of getting > > > moksha? > > > > > Like do we worship the lord of the hs having Ke or what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " <nitish.arya@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > > Dear Sharat, SS, sarajit, > > > > > > In my opinion, 12th house is only the entry point/door to > the > > > inner > > > > > > world of atma and the lord of this sign (its deity) would > guide > > > you to > > > > > > open that door. The planet(s) posited therein signify the > > > destination, > > > > > > which could be to any of the 7 lokas, or to para-brahman > in case > > > of > > > > > > Ketu. Thus, we need to look at Ketu directly without any > other > > > > > > sambandha except placement else we reach elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha > with > > > it, > > > > > will > > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a > connection > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? Look for sambandha > between: > > > Ketu > > > > > and > > > > > > > Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha can be > attained. " > > > > > Gotcha. > > > > > > > Makes sense now. Many Thanx SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > My humble thoughts and I am not an expert. > > > > > > > > 1.Ketu in Navamsa( as I described) , can show what > path/planet > > > can > > > > > > > lead to Guru who will show the direction towards Moksha. > Indeed > > > > > there > > > > > > > can be more than one but among these the one influencing > the > > > lagna > > > > > will > > > > > > > predominate. This path if followed can lead one to path > of > > > Moksha > > > > > > > > 2. What makes one follow the path of Spirituality,is > seen by > > > many > > > > > > > combinations which include Ishta, AK, Kul, Sthana devta > and Guru > > > ; > > > > > and > > > > > > > Lagna, Dharma trikona, Moksha Trikona in D1,D9,D20,D60. > > > > > > > > 3.What helps attain Moksha? > > > > > > > > a.AK is Atma, and KK in Navamsa > > > > > > > > b.12th sign from KK is Jeevanmuktamsa > > > > > > > > c.Ishta is 12th lord/planet from KK and guides towards > Moksha, > > > > > planets > > > > > > > aspecting KK by rasi drishti can show deities leading > towards > > > Ishta. > > > > > 12H > > > > > > > in natural zodiac is Meena and ruled by Akaash tatva > signified > > > by > > > > > > > Vishnu. The Ishta is thus Vishnu swaroop as He is > considered > > > > > > > Sarvavyapakesh. So the form is Vishnu. Understand it > this way. > > > The > > > > > > > planet posited in Jeevanmuktamsa will look at its > Pratyadi devta > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > Ishta, so then the form has to be considered > Sarvavyapakesh( > > > like > > > > > > > Vishnu) and if this planet is Surya then deity is Shiva > and not > > > > > > > necessarily Rama. Thus the importance of the planet > posited in > > > > > > > Jeevanmuktamsa. > > > > > > > > d.Ke is Mokshakarak, hence planet who have a sambandha > with > > > it, > > > > > will > > > > > > > help increase bhakti towards Ishta. > > > > > > > > e.Moksha can come if these two( Ishta + Ketu) have a > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.So how do we see this in a chart? > > > > > > > > Look for sambandha between: > > > > > > > > Ketu and Ishta devta in D9, if this is strong, Moksha > can be > > > > > attained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has also said that finally Punya gochar > tells us if > > > the > > > > > > > person can attain Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > > > > > Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:39 PM > > > > > > > > Re:how to know male or female deity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish and Sharat, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in agreement that Ke (mokshakaraka) 12th from > karakamsa > > > is > > > > > > > indicative of moksha, however, i think we r talking about > > > > > identifying > > > > > > > the Ishta Devata (that drives one on to the path of > moksha) that > > > is > > > > > > > calculated as per Jamini Sutras @ 12th from karakamsa - > from > > > planets > > > > > > > posited / aspecting / lording the 12th from karakamsa, > as the > > > case > > > > > may > > > > > > > be. The guidance from the Istha wud put one on path > towards > > > > > attaining > > > > > > > moksha - it is thus understood that whether or not > moksha is > > > > > attained > > > > > > > wud depend on how effectively the native imbibes those > changes > > > after > > > > > > > connecting with the said Ishta within the lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Varga chakra pg. 214: To break free from the > shackles of > > > > > > > rebirth, the guidance and blessings of Ista gains > significant > > > > > > > importance....As the 12th house is concerned with > > > Moksha/activities > > > > > > > related to Moksha, the 12th hs from the karakamsa is to > be seen > > > for > > > > > > > determination of Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atman's desires are seen from 7th from karakamsa. > Deity from > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > is seen for detaching oneself or fulfilling the desires > thus > > > > > indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat, wrt what u mentioned, then there wud be quite > some > > > planets > > > > > > > that wud influence the drive towards moksha (via Ke / > navamsa > > > lagna) > > > > > - > > > > > > > ok, we take the strongest, but then, what wud be the > special > > > > > > > significance of the 12th hs from AK in navamsa and > planets in > > > 12th > > > > > hs > > > > > > > from lagna of D-20 wrt moksha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Varga Chakra pg 72: The presence of benefics, > Ju, Mo and > > > Ve, > > > > > as > > > > > > > well as that of Ke, in the 12th hs of Vimsamsa chart, > all but > > > assure > > > > > > > moksha of the native. The same is true if such planets > are > > > > > positioned in > > > > > > > the 12th house from Karakamsa lagna (in navamsa) as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brgds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Sharat " gidoc@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nitish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay ji has taught this as well. Ketu being the > > > moksha-karaka, > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > planets aspecting Ketu in Navamsa and also in trines > to > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > the strongest is like the Guru which will show the > path > > > towards > > > > > > > Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " yeeahoo_99 " > nitish.arya@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || OM TAT SAT || > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, Dheeraj, > > > > > > > > > > Ketu gives moksha being in 12th from Karakamsa and > no > > > other > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > 12th from Karakamsa shows the direction a native > takes in > > > his > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > as a subconscious trait (subconscious because it is > > > > > ATMA-Karaka > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not ATMA-Karta), thus the planets placed there > will only > > > > > direct a > > > > > > > > > > person towards the fulfillment in their direction > and not > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > direction of Ketu viz Moksha. > > > > > > > > > > One may call the fulfillment of ones' desires as > Ishta > > > (and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > corresponding deity as Ishta devata) as it > relieves the > > > ATMA > > > > > of > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > desires which otherwise keep coming back to > subconscious, > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > different from giving moksha (thats why people keep > > > returning > > > > > > > back). > > > > > > > > > > How do you expect the planets posited in 12th from > > > Karakamsa > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > moksha or even wisdom signified by Ketu in > navamsha? > > > > > > > > > > Thus, one would be consciously required to look at > > > position of > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > in Navamsa alone to get a direction towards moksha, > > > otherwise > > > > > he > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > forever keep looking only at his own atma/self- > fulfillment > > > and > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > acquire wisdom signified by Ketu in navamsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > nitish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " > soulsadhak@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U r right, Dheeraj, diff people use diff methods > for > > > > > calculating > > > > > > > > > > > ishta - some from lords of trines (1,5, 9), some > from > > > lord > > > > > of > > > > > > > Mo's > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra - all may have their own use - like > the one > > > for Mo > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > influence the mind more etc. However, the one > calculated > > > > > from > > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > > > from karakamsa (as per Jaimini's Sutras) is said > to be > > > the > > > > > one > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > takes u onto the path of moksha (freeing the > bondages of > > > the > > > > > > > atman) > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > so in that sense is the Ishta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem i think is not with the way in which > the > > > > > > > > > desired/required > > > > > > > > > > > deity is calculated, but the same term " Ishta " > being > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > indiscriminately for all of them hence causing > the > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur chart, (@ VRA pg. 55), of the 2 planets in > 12th > > > from > > > > > > > > > karakamsa, > > > > > > > > > > > the stronger wud be the one that is in > own/exaltation > > > etc. > > > > > If > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > then, look at degrees in rasi chart - the one > attaining > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > > > degrees is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Use mean nodes, and for nodes' longitudes, > deduct from > > > 30, > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > move retrograde. > > > > > > > > > > > (if i'm wrong, anyone may pls correct me). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Learning, > > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , dheeraj khosla > > > > > <khosladheeraj@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your responses , but > > > > > > > > > > > somehow i think something is missing . I Mean > some major > > > > > > > > > > > blank i am feeling in this approach of finding > gender of > > > > > > > > > > > isht dev or other diety.You know among 16 > vargas , D- 20 > > > > > > > > > > > is uppasna varga ( for cross checking isht dev > or other > > > > > > > > > > > deities correctly). So why we dont apply this > divisional > > > > > > > > > > > chart at this stage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its more confusing that some take planets sign > > > > > > > > > > > from navansha and some take in rashi chart.You > know > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer like - pt. dakshinamoorthy prescribes > deity > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > from rashi chart by balancing 9th bhava and 5th > bhava > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > there lords.So whats the proper way to get > atleast -ISHT > > > > > DEVTA > > > > > > > > > > > ( without which no use of astrology , because > divine > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > only comes from isht , that should be the sole > aim of an > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all experience one , so please use some > > > > > > > > > > > previous experiences of your clients and well > knownones. > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > > > > stastical data will i think sort out this > confusion . > > > Datas > > > > > > > > > > > of the worshiper of ishtdev according to > different > > > > > formulaes.( > > > > > > > > > > > atleast in percentage ratio). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One question more - that how > > > > > > > > > > > choose one planet if rahu or ketu also accompany > istdev > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic planet like moon in my case. can we > also deduct > > > > > > > > > > > degrees of nodes from 30 degree or not. In my > case - > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > is with rahu ( mean longitudes) in 12th from AK > in > > > navansh > > > > > > > > > > > kundli. Moon is of 26 degree and rahu of 2 > degree. ( so > > > > > > > > > > > rahu becomes 28 degree if deducted). so please > tell me > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is my ISHTDEVTA. I am confused !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y ou know if i take TRUE longitudes ( > > > > > > > > > > > like mr.goel always advises), then only moon can > be seen > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > th from the karkansha lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SO MORE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED IN TABULAR AND > DATA > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > STASTICAL FORM IN ORDER TO FIX THE REAL DIVINE > FORMULA > > > > > > > > > > > FOR SEARCHING - THE ISHTDEV ( gender , mantra > and all). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I AM CONFUSED !!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If possible tell my isht dev , so that i will > do some > > > > > > > > > > > sadhna for particular deity ( my own deity) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my data- 15 feb 1977, 12.15 pm , delhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > dheerajj khosla , ( atri student) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > _ > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Text or chat with friends inside Mail. > See how. > > > > > > > > > > > http://overview.mail./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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