To Ashji

December 14, 2007

Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,

1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different

2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord of a house

3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very important to access the effects

4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement

5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets

Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.

Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case

it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.

Important Note :

Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the significance of 12th house .

The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:

Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment

Secondary Karkas :

Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort

Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey

Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonment,misfortune,bad habits,secret enemies

Jupiter- donations,heaven

Ketu- salvation

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi Sent: Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM Re: To Ashji

Dear Ash,Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it only the 12th house?In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), unless other wise forced by situation.)I have also seen my

cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least that is what I have seen. Regards,Jyothiancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash" <kas wrote:>> Dear Jyothi,> > > > Please refer to me as Ash.> > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are

different.> > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the chart is the> 12th house which is fixed.> > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any planets placed> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.> > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is placed in the> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th house> would be enhanced. > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I distinguish> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different things.> > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.> > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from

any house is the karak sthan> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is spoilt then> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally say that> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life will be> spoilt).> > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house of the> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and quality, I> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is not> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at the same> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such a person> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be given by> his company where he or

she is working or maybe friends etc. So one is> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.> > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will answer your> questions below.> > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. 10th is> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of a person> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is in 9th so> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th house a> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So here such a> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that 9th lord> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is more towards> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.> > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and now it> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which means that> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger 12th> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during the antra> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to put in> less effort. > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of effort and> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get things> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both are on>

spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon.> > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th is> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.> > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good> authority.> > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO of a> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good> authority but there is a difference :-).> > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house looses status> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results ruled by> that planet is enhanced.> > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd lord in 12th> are called VRY isn't it. So

here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th house is> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd lord goes> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to all> houses.> > > > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca> > _____ > > ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_indian_ astrology] On

Behalf Of> jyothi_b_lakshmi> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM> ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji> > > > Dear Ashji,> > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > what I understood from one of the articles.> (http://www3.> <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa rriage.htm>> telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)> > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the > bhava X

gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.> > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled by > them gets enhanced."> > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?> > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > Regards,> Jyothi > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology@grou ps.com, "Ash" <kas@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran and Goel,> > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view.> > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its > primary> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > 11th are> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > enhanced.> > > > > >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > KAS, 12th> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that > goes in> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > for quality.> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. quality > of 3rd> > house is enhanced.> > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e. > in primary> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from > 3rd and> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > heap.> > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > say u are> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > timing job> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than 4 > bindu (it> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > bindus means> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect > so, say if> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th > and 9th> > house.> > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the > cost of 3> > other house. > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > (which is> > generally the case as Ma and

Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV), > so they> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their aspects > will be> > beneficial on 3 other house.> > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than 4 > bindus> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > consider it> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > house with say> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > with -5 on> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points and > its> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th lord > in 12th> > one must

also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. ca> ca> http://www.ashtro.> <http://www.ashtro. ca> ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology@grou ps.com> > [ancient_ indian_> <ancient_ indian_astrology %40.

com>> astrology@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of > Gopal Goel> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology@grou ps.com; kiran.rama> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:> > > > > > > > dear Kiranji,> > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :> > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house > lords in> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.> > > > If

their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > results.> > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > placed in 8th> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > tendencies,> > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his > livelihood. He> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply > to Virgo> > and PISCES ascendants.> > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > tendencies , yet he> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall > in Lagna.> > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.> > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > signification of the> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama ,

in > own ,exaltation or> > friendly signs.> > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact > of> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also > protect> > the house.> > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.> > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are > placed in> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.> > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his > own> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.> > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not > be good> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > will be in>

> habit to blame others.> > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> astrology@grou ps.com> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge

my gaps in understanding > on the> > same:> > Please help me in doing so:> > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th > house, Will> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the > period of> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?> > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction > to the> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic > or during> > periods of the house lord also?> > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > 6th lord in> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > significations> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > cause> > increased longevity, large

debts, many diseases and poverty?> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good > things of> > the house?> > > > Thanks> > Kiran> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji,> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in > this > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > Sarvam, > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > inherent > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > potential > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam Pushpam > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > the water is the cretive

energy-primordial force for> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > man > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > Mother > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > > Prana Shakti. > > > With regards, > > > > > Hari Venkataraman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,> > > ==>> > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.> > > <==> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort > to > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or > call > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %> 40. com>> > astrology@

. com, Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear sir, > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > understand > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > Veda > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > mind. > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > described..Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara Iti > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is > just > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising

Power-Energy. > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > forms > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > Vardandtu > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > both > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > could > > explain or convey

what I am able to understand. When you go to > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > and > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > interesting > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > concuss > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji,> > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > questions > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > group. > > The > > > > reason I am saying that is, though

study/ knowledge of > puranas/ > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > meanings > > of > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > inadequate. > > The > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > > seen > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > are > > used > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > happened > > > > before.> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > Vedangas. > > > > This is because Vedas are

apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > taken > > and > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > buddha, > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > disagrees > > here.> > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line > from > > > > Mahopanishad is there:> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > who > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma > nor > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.> > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities

being praised is also not > a > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > > other > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > > (mind); > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is > not > > one > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy > to > > his > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or > Agni > > or > > > > Pushan, are> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.> > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH > | > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva > t.h ||> > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'> > > > from Vishnu.> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,> > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, > are > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > > (R.V > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > that > > one > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > brahman, > > > > that is praised in the

muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > omniscient?) . > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in > Taiitariya> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > control > > of > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > call > > it > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > > Rudra, > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given > the > > > > bow to

Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > etc.. > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > > Being > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)> > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of > Lord > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > > puranas > > > > as chaturavadana rani).> > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > > That > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > > and > > > > is also

from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > Vedavyasa > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas"> > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and Saraswati.> > > > > > > > regards> > > > sriram nayak> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > .> > com, rashmi patel > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > SARASWATIJI> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > DAUGHTERS > > OF > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME>

> > > > > > > > > THANKS> > > > > RASHMIKANT> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@> > > > > ancient_indian_> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com> astrology@ > .> > com> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > existence. > > > > Be > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality > is > > >

> the > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > Christianity. > > This > > > > is > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history > or > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" is > > the > > > > only > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > their "ism" > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > > sect.. > > > > If > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > > world > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > Avila, > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints

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Dear Srinivasji and other Friends,

Sir, you will agree that it is not possible to give comprehensive response to some issues raised on the net.

I therefore try to restrict my self on the specific and main queries .

You have raised very important and pertinent issues and I shall try to place before you my understanding on such matters:

Point 1. You have hit the bulls eye. The strength of Lagna , Karka SUN and Atmakarka controls the nativity , if these are in auspicious influence and with strength , most of the malefic influences will come to pass mildly and visa-vars. The other houses and planets

acts as accessories. As natural signification of planets remain same , similarly the basic signification of 12 houses do not change.As an example, mother is seen from

4th , and her bhagya will be indicated by 12th. This means if native's 12 house is in Shubh influence , it would bolster the Good luck of mother , as native is required to spend money on good cause. The planets placed in Varga charts

in the signs which are occupying 6H ,8H AND 12H in nativity ,CREATE ONE OR OTHER PROBLEM, on other hand signs placed in 1h ,4h,5h,9h and 10h

yield to auspicious results.(kindly refer Madhya Parasari)

Point2.Sir, you are right. But if tolerance level is low , it may lead to separation. In case planets placed in Lagna of main sign chart and 7h of D-9 chart are enemies,

the placement of 7HL in 12H DOES NOT indicate harmonious relationship.This placement indicates business relationship with foreign countries also.Generally ,

7HL IS FUNCTIONAL MALEFIC , THUS ITS PLACEMENT IS 12H GENERATES POVERTY AND NATIVE BECOMES MISER . SPOUSE WILL BE SPENT THRIFT AND SO ON.

Point 3 -12H is both salvation or bandhan. What is the difference in spouse or another man/ woman in natives life. Spouse tries to bring balance in life between Dharma AND

Bhog(pleasure). Where as purpose of another man/women in life is to exploit the wealth of others to addictions and carnal pleasures resulting in fall from Dharma.This is the reason

Lagna Pada of 12H is called Up-pada which signify wealth , progeny and spouse.( Pada of 7H is called Darapada and represent sex and business partner). Any planet if strong and auspicious in 12H protects the Lagna as in 2H give sustenance.

Point 4.I may like to draw attention on three points ;a) Upchaya principle b) Argala principle c) Chturasra

a. Upchaya- 12H is upchaya both from 7Hand 10h. A malefic will promote material signification of these houses ,and greed will be paramount There will be disputes but will

be warded off depending on strength of malefic planet . Benefics will try to mitigate evils.

b, Argala- Malefic in 12h will have Subh argla on 10H AND PROMOTE PROFESSION BUT create problems in 11H, 9H AND 2H.

C. CHATURASRA- all planets aspect 4H and 8h by 75% aspect. Thus a benefic in 12H WILL TRY TO PROTECT 7h.

Thus all aspects have to be properly assessed. If Malefics are in 9H and 12h , the spouse will be of firm and unbending disposition.

Point 5.This is amply covered in point 4

Point 6 . Depositor will have powerful and direct effect. Suppose DEPOSITOR (of 7hl in 12H )IS PLACED IN 4h.This may indicate acquisition of property by foreign trade

with active participation of spouse.In the case Pt. Nehru , 8HL Rahu is placed in 12H, AND ITS DEPOSITOR IS PLACED IN 4H WITH 4HL VENUS.

He has abdicated his all property for national movement.

Navamsa Dispositor- If powerful , it controls skills . A planet in Vargottama,own and exaltation and Pushkar navamsa give name and fame .

Nakshatra depositor indicates inclinations.

Point 7- The demarcation is clear cut . It is to be decided as to what information is being looked into, accordingly the predictive tools are selected. As sign and a paned

basically occupies a bhava. The starting point is the effect of a sign in a particular house and then a planet in a particular house. these are the starting point. Suppose Venus

is in 12h ,the native will collect vices and spouse will be diseased. .The native should respect spouse if wish to lead comfortable life.7HL if placed in 12H.WILL CARRY THE

EFFECTS OF 7H KARKA VENUS TO 12H.Thus above results will be applicable.

Point 8 -will sent another mail depicting the importance of dispositor.

I tried to give my views according to my ability and understanding,

best regards.G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Sent: Friday, 14 December, 2007 3:54:59 PM Re: To Ashji

Dear Goel saab,

I appreciate and acknolwedge that you have been consistently posting something or other since you joined this group. Thank you for the same.

Being your "Guru bhai" take the privelege of agreeing and disagreeing on few points.

1) In all HL in 6H or 8H or 12H...etc... never forget the Lagna i.e. native himself. The hororscope belongs to him not to 7H !!

2) 7HL going to 12H does not give deception, as stated in my earlier post, it is 6H from 7H, so differences or "arguments" takes place resulting into serious irrevocable differences.

3) I have requested Jyotiben to share her observations for I am laying little emphasis on 7H-kama bhava, 12H - moksha bhava, so it 12H is on a higher pedestal,... .so the "irrevocable" differences

4) If 7H is afflicted then career is also affected indirectly for it is 10H from 10H. { Jyotiben kindly do share that all those divorce cases in your data bank, comment on the career status in general}

5) 7HL going to 12H, then the native is idling in his work, resulting to unstable career...{ who wants a employee whose is not doing his job properly but involved in other hobbies i.e. 12H is 3H from 10H. 3H is also hobbies. For we are taking about 10H, then it means issues other than work i.e. idle office gossip, politics, chamchagiri, ....etc.. { this I call them office hobbies}.

6) Goel saab, please tell me in your normal analysis, which one you consider { we have excluded Rahu & Ketu, cases of debilitated planets...etc. .in this } - dispositor or navamsa Lord or nakshatra of that planet.

7) If you were to consider all the three (Point 6) then I am sure , one would not be able to arrive at any prediction !!

8) Depending upon your response on (6), would comment later on your point (4) {The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement}.

with regards,

Sreeram Srinivas

ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@. ..> wrote: Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji, 1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different 2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by becoming a lord of a house 3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak varga bala are very important to access the effects 4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad placement 5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage. Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona

houses ( 1st , 5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion. Important Note : Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role in protecting the significance of 12th house . The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under: Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss , punishment Secondary Karkas : Moon - recovery from disease, sleep comfort Venus - bed comforts, overseas journey Rahu-foreign residence or travel, bondage,imprisonmen t,misfortune, bad habits,secret nemies Jupiter- donations,heaven Ketu- salvation Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110

076 INDIA

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December 14, 2007

Dear Goel and Lakshmi,

I beg to differ on some points and some

points I agree with.

Here the question was 7th lord

in 12th house. So 7th lord in 12th house of

the chart means its in a powerful primary upachaya sthan. That will enhance

the results of 7th house. Upachaya sthan means the house of growth,

heap and prosperity.

So 7th lord in 12th,

9th, 4th and 5th house would be good for 7th

house results. 7th lord in 6th house would not auger

good for 7th house results.

Now for divorce, there must be some yogs

present. So if such yogs are present so if such yogs are present then there

are chances of divorce, for example say lagna and 7th lords are in

6:8 or mo and 7th lord or sun and 7th, ve and 7th

lords and for females in addition we check mars and 7th lords.

So such things we check separately.

Now, I repeat again that Timing of event

and Quality of event are 2 different things. So Karak and its status will

control the quality or result. Now if 2nd house is spoilt or Ve or

2nd lord of chart then there might be multiple marriages or

marriages might not last or in extreme cases there it might be denied.

I shall reply revert to Jyoti’s mail separately.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel

Friday December 14, 2007

5:00 AM

Cc: atma prakash; BHUSAN k; Chubb

Phyllis; Finn Wandahl; Kapoor S N; Kedar M N; kiran.rama; Phyllis Chubb; Rao K

N; Rao K N; sohamsa; Dikshit

Re:

Re: To Ashji

Dear Ash and Lakshmii ji,

1. The rules of placement of planet in a house are different

2 The planet's functional nature to act under go a change by

becoming a lord of a house

3 Strength of planet - viz Shadbala , Vimshopka and Astak

varga bala are very important to access the effects

4. The depositor of a planet , if strongly placed and in

auspicious influence, alters even bad effects of a bad

placement

5. Aspect and of association or Sambandha with other planets

Let us take the placement of 7L in 12h. 3rd house represents

copulation being represented sign Gemini , naturally 12th being 10th from

third is BED pleasure . 7 th being house of SEXUAL instinct , if 7th

lord is placed in 12th , it gives deception in marriage.

Ash : 7th lord in 12th

means 7th house lord is in primary upachaya sthan.(6th and

10th are primary and 3rd and 11th are

secondary upachaya). So Karak for 12th house itself is in 12th

house. Even Natural 7th lord i.e Venus gets exalted in 12th

house of Pisces. So that is good for 7th house significance. The

results of 7th house are enhanced and also for dual lord ship even

the 2nd house ruled by the same planet will get enhanced by being

placed in 12th house.

Karak sthan is 2nd house – As per

old tradition, marriages were initiated by families.

Phal sthan is 7th – House under

focus

Phalit Sthan is 11th – life

long friend gained in the form of wife. Karak is 6th house so legally

related.

4th and 12th house

are samdudhi sthan. – These are in upachaya from Karak i.e. 2nd and

Phal sthan. i.e. 3rd from 2nd and 10th from 7th

and 12th house is 6th from 7th and 11th

from 2nd.

11th house is 10th from

2nd so primary upachaya sthan from 2nd and 7th

house is 6th from Karak sthan i.e 2nd house.

12th house is also moksh sthan

and as per KAS we define it as pleasures in this life time itself and in

addition 12th house it is a Moksha sthan and on Spiritual Plane. So

the ultimate enjoyment, and I would say that the cheapest form would be

physical pleasures of 12th house.

Infact 12th house is also 5th

from 8th i.e. its 10th from 3rd house and 3rd

is the karak for death.

So making a long story short, if 7th

lord is in 12th house then its in upachaya sthan, and if that is bad

for 7th house then there is no meaning of upachaya or the meaning of

upachaya is destroyed.

Kindly remember 7th lord can never be lord of Trikona houses ( 1st ,

5th and 9th) , as such never acts as Subha graha by nature ( accept in the case

it is in sambandha with a trine lord). A planet , when it is not Subha

by functional nature , such planets generate lot of passion.

Important Note :

Pisces sign and bhava Karka also play significant role

in protecting the significance of 12th house .

The bhava Karka of 12th house are as under:

Main Karka : Saturn- expenses , cause of loss ,

punishment

Secondary Karkas :

Moon - recovery from

disease, sleep comfort

Venus - bed comforts,

overseas journey

Rahu-foreign residence or

travel, bondage,imprisonment,misfortune,bad habits,secret enemies

Jupiter- donations,heaven

Ketu- salvation

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

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jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Friday, 14 December, 2007 11:46:25 AM

Re: To Ashji

Dear Ash,

Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known

so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I

would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is

the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it

only the 12th house?

In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For

example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one

common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can

be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So

according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal

life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not

happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here;

Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:),

unless other wise forced by situation.)

I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted

in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But

her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot

see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am

not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I

know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by

the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least

that is what I have seen.

Regards,

Jyothi

ancient_indian_

astrology, " Ash " <kas

wrote:

>

> Dear Jyothi,

>

> Please refer to me as Ash.

>

> 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different.

>

> So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the

chart is the

> 12th house which is fixed.

>

> So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any

planets placed

> in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them.

>

> Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is

placed in the

> 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th

house

> would be enhanced.

>

> Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I

distinguish

> Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different

things.

>

> Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak planet.

>

> For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the

karak sthan

> and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is

spoilt then

> the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we generally

say that

> if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital life

will be

> spoilt).

>

> So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th house

of the

> chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As an

> analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and

quality, I

> can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is

not

> powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at

the same

> time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so such

a person

> might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might be

given by

> his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So

one is

> quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy.

>

> So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will

answer your

> questions below.

>

> 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status.

10th is

> karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career of

a person

> from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is

in 9th so

> its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th

house a

> Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So

here such a

> person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc.

>

> 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that

9th lord

> is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as 12th

from

> B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is

more towards

> dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma.

>

> 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and

now it

> means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment and

> pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which

means that

> itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will trigger

12th

> house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during

the antra

> of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to

put in

> less effort.

>

> 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of

effort and

> parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u get

things

> without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. Both

are on

> spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th

is dharma trikon.

>

> Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in 10th

is

> dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog.

>

> Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have good

> authority.

>

> Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the CEO

of a

> large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good

> authority but there is a difference :-).

>

> So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house

looses status

> and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results

ruled by

> that planet is enhanced.

>

> Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd

lord in 12th

> are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then 6th

house is

> enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and 3rd

lord goes

> in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable to

all

> houses.

>

> Cheers !!!

>

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

ca> http://www.ashtro.

ca

>

> _____

>

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> [ancient_indian_

astrology] On Behalf Of

> jyothi_b_lakshmi

> Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: To Ashji

>

> Dear Ashji,

>

> I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is

> what I understood from one of the articles.

> (http://www3.

> <http://www3. telus.net/ public/elijahn/ Pages/TimingOfMa

rriage.htm>

> telus.net/public/ elijahn/Pages/ TimingOfMarriage .htm)

>

> If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then the

> bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the

> 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because

> 12th lord from it is posited there).

>

> If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you

> look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th

> (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the

> native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But this

> exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is a

> Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments.

>

> Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below

> mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious

> house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled

by

> them gets enhanced. "

>

> If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't the

> 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava?

>

> I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding.

>

> Regards,

> Jyothi

>

> ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com,

" Ash " <kas@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran and Goel,

> >

> > I would also like to share my view.

> >

> > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into its

> primary

> > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and

> 11th are

> > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is

> enhanced.

> >

> > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per

> KAS, 12th

> > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet that

> goes in

> > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is

> for quality.

> > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e.

quality

> of 3rd

> > house is enhanced.

> >

> > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd i.e.

> in primary

> > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority from

> 3rd and

> > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity

> heap.

> >

> > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so

> say u are

> > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd house

> becomes

> > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are

> timing job

> > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th.

> >

> > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more than

4

> bindu (it

> > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4

> bindus means

> > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite aspect

> so, say if

> > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, 5th

> and 9th

> > house.

> >

> > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at the

> cost of 3

> > other house.

> >

> > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus

> (which is

> > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in SAV),

> so they

> > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their

aspects

> will be

> > beneficial on 3 other house.

> >

> > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more than

4

> bindus

> > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we

> consider it

> > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th

> house with say

> > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be

> with -5 on

> > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points

and

> its

> > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects.

> >

> > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th

lord

> in 12th

> > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

<http://www.ashtro. ca>

ca>

http://www.ashtro.

> <http://www.ashtro. ca>

ca

> >

> > _____

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com

> > [ancient_ indian_

> <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com] On

Behalf Of

> Gopal Goel

> > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com;

kiran.rama

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > dear Kiranji,

> >

> > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you :

> >

> > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of

house

> lords in

> > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9, 10,and 11 are good houses.

> >

> > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good

> results.

> >

> > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be

> placed in 8th

> > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish

> tendencies,

> > may be punished by authorities, will serve others for his

> livelihood. He

> > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply

> to Virgo

> > and PISCES ascendants.

> >

> > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal

> tendencies , yet he

> > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall

> in Lagna.

> >

> > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems.

> >

> > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the

> signification of the

> > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in

> own ,exaltation or

> > friendly signs.

> >

> > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the

impact

> of

> > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will

also

> protect

> > the house.

> >

> > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji.

> >

> > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords

are

> placed in

> > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass.

> >

> > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with

his

> own

> > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health.

> >

> > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will

not

> be good

> > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he

> will be in

> > habit to blame others.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Kiran R <kiran.rama@ >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

40. com>

> astrology@grou ps.com

> > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] To Sreenadhji:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding

> on the

> > same:

> > Please help me in doing so:

> >

> > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th

> house, Will

> > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the

> period of

> > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also?

> >

> > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction

> to the

> > significations of the house only during the period of the malefic

> or during

> > periods of the house lord also?

> >

> > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th,

> 6th lord in

> > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad

> significations

> > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house

> cause

> > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty?

> > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good

> things of

> > the house?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkittaraman ji,

> > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Seenadhji,

> > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is

> > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in

> this

> > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world

> > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo

va idagum

> Sarvam,

> > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The

> > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who

> > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the

> inherent

> > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai

sarva Devata: All the Devatas

are

> > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation,

> > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our

> > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the

> potential

> > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name.

The

> > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam

Pushpam

> > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that

> > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for

> > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised,

> man

> > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial

Ocean,

> > the Milky

Ocean represents Suddha

Sathva Energy. Puranas gives

the

> > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with

> Mother

> > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the

Primordial

> > Prana Shakti.

> > > With regards,

> > >

> > Hari Venkataraman.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Venkataraman ji,

> > > ==>

> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta

Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan

> Poorvam

> > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water.

> > > <==

> > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used

the

> > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort

> to

> > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa'

> > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or

> call

> > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which

> > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe

> > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara'

are interchangeable words - meaning the

> > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> 40. com>

> > astrology, Venkataraman Hari

> > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear sir,

> > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to

> understand

> > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores.

> Veda

> > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an

> > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open

> mind.

> > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned

> > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is

> > described..Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said

" Apo Naara Iti

> > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana

> > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is

> just

> > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy.

> > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni

> > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different

> forms

> > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema

> Vardandtu

> > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are

> both

> > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are

> > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this

Srishti.

> > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms

of

> > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri

> > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these

inner

> > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very

> > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I

> could

> > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to

> > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms

> and

> > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it

> interesting

> > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not

> concuss

> > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards.

> > > >

> > > > Hari Venkataraman

> > > >

> > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rashmikantji,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking

> > questions

> > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology

> group.

> > The

> > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of

> puranas/

> > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden

> meanings

> > of

> > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly

> inadequate.

> > The

> > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I

have

> > seen

> > > > this happening in all astrology groups.

> > > >

> > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses

> are

> > used

> > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple

of

> > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have

> > happened

> > > > before.

> > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other

> > Vedangas.

> > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any

conflict

> > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be

> taken

> > and

> > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody;

> buddha,

> > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none

> disagrees

> > here.

> > > >

> > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first

line

> from

> > > > Mahopanishad is there:

> > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme

> > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana

> who

> > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether

Brahma

> nor

> > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth.

> > > >

> > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also

not

> a

> > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for

various

> > other

> > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for

manas

> > (mind);

> > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there

is

> not

> > one

> > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest

enemy

> to

> > his

> > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra

or

> Agni

> > or

> > > > Pushan, are

> > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman.

> > > >

> > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala):

> > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe

havirbhiH

> |

> > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM

vartirashvinAvirAva

> t.h ||

> > > >

> > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva'

> > > > from Vishnu.

> > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose

> > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc,

> > > > just like Rama and Krishna

are? The reason is again in

> > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the

control,

> are

> > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of

Brahman

> > (R.V

> > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense

> that

> > one

> > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form

is

> > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa'

> > brahman,

> > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH'

> > omniscient?) .

> > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra

beheading

> > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH

shira

> > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h').. This appears in

> Taiitariya

> > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the

> control

> > of

> > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some

> call

> > it

> > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM

ugraM

> > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM.

> > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be

made

> > Rudra,

> > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had

given

> the

> > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma

(for

> > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi

> etc..

> > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is

the

> > Being

> > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre)

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born

of

> Lord

> > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form

of

> > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred

in

> > puranas

> > > > as chaturavadana rani).

> > > >

> > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another

mail.

> > That

> > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic

injunctions

> > and

> > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by

Shri

> Vedavyasa

> > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas "

> > > >

> > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi

and Saraswati.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > sriram nayak

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> .

> > com, rashmi patel

> > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI

&

> > SARASWATIJI

> > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE

> DAUGHTERS

> > OF

> > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK.

> > > > > PLEASE TELL ME

> > > > >

> > > > > THANKS

> > > > > RASHMIKANT

> > > > >

> > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@

> > > > > ancient_indian_

> > <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@

> .

> > com

> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an

illusion

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no

" ism " for its

> > existence.

> > > > Be

> > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute

reality

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or

> Christianity.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in

history

> or

> > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their

" ism "

is

> > the

> > > > only

> > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood

> their " ism "

> > > > > properly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any

specific

> > sect..

> > > > If

> > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones

in

this

> > world

> > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa

of

> Avila,

> > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin

> >

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December 15, 2007

Dear Shrivastava ji,

It is so heartening to receive your mail .

Argala is a very strong and key principle taught originally by sage Parasara and Jaimini . It is a powerful predictive tool.

I will try to give some salient features according to my understanding:

1. In case powerful and strong planets (preferably natural benefics) are placed in 2nd, 4th, and 11th houses from a reference house, these planets provide benefice argala

to the reference house and promote its signification in positive manner.

2.In case , there are planets in 12th , 10th and 3rd from the reference point , it provide Vipreet argala to the planets if ,I repeat if, placed in 2nd,4th,and 11th houses.

The Vipreet argla planet has a role if corresponding argla house is also occupied. e.g. if there is a planet in 2h , only then a planet in 12h will be activated to neutralise the bad or good effect of argla causing planet . Otherwise planet in 12th house is nothing to fight and give his normal result of its placement in 12th house.This is a very important aspect.

Let us take an example; if a malefic is placed in 10h in D-9 chart , this planet will obstruct the marriage in its sub period. Suppose at the same time a powerful benefice planet is placed in 4th house in D-9 chart, this planet will provide Vipreet argala to planet placed in 10H , and planet placed in 4h will give marriage in its sub period.If there is no planet in 10H, THE PLANET PLACED IN 4H WILL NOT GIVE MARRIAGE.

Similar rule should be applied 4H verses 10H, and 11H verses 3H.

3. Whenever argla and vipreet argla houses will have equal number of planets , this is called bandhan yoga.This yoga means that there may be a situation ,problem ,addiction,or commitment to a thought ,from which native can not withdraw .

4. I have explained the above argala method so there is a better appreciation of argala provided by a Malefic planet placed in 3H. THE RULES ARE AS UNDER:

A) Only natural Malefic planets provide argala ,if they are placed in 3H.( Mars,Saturn ,Rahu and Ketu ). The effect of this argla though provided by natural malefic

is deemed to be auspicious (Subha). Natural Benefices do not provide any kind of argla when placed in third house from any reference house.

B) More the malefic affect on third house more the benefit

C)THERE IS NO VIPREET ARGALA TO 3H ARGALA.

Let us take an example;if Saturn is placed in 12H , IT WILL give subh argla to 10H AND PROMOTE its significance.

YOU MAY HAVE OBSERVED THAT either Sun or Saturn in debility in Apoklim houses , they promote the signification of their houses in angular houses.

Why?A malefic lord of Kendra looses its maleficence , and being in third promote the signification of Kendra houses as malefic third argla exert benefice influence.

Debilitated Saturn or Sun in 3H GIVES strong personality, in 6H gives property, in 9H a spouse of strong Character, in 12th promotes profession, besides Sun gives long life

as it is also friend of lagna lord Mars.10H controls longevity.

In fact A DETAILED WRITE UP IS REQUIRED ON THIS SUBJECT

Similarly Upchya (3H,6H,10Hand11 H) AND Chaturarasra (4H AND 8H) principles provide powerful prediction tools and complimentary to each other..

Best Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

swami <swami_rcsGopal Goel <gkgoel1937Saturday, 15 December, 2007 11:13:22 AMRe: Re: To Ashjiï»¿

II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Dear Goel sahib,

Very nice posting indeed.

Clarity was immense in your statements.

May i seek little more on your statement without distubing the theme of thread.You may choose to answer me later.

"Argala- Malefic in 12h will have Subh argla on 10H AND PROMOTE PROFESSION,

..

Just I wish to understand a little more on above part.Because

"Third" argla is understood to be malefic irrespctive of nature of planet causing it. But I could be wrong Hence the querry.

With regards..

OM TATSAT----------------swami_rcs http://www.kaalvastu.com----------------Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction!

-

Gopal Goel

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