Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jyotishas, Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is killed today (27th December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at Rawalpindi. You can read the news at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. Anyone has her birth details? -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Benazir Bhutto21-June-195320:15Karachi, PakistanSource: a mail from Ashwin HiraniBest regards/Jay Weiss On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar wrote: || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jyotishas, Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is killed today (27th December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at Rawalpindi. You can read the news at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. Anyone has her birth details? -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Om Krishna Guru Om Dear Jay I found another confirmation of time of death on BBC " She died at 1816 (1316 GMT), said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of the PPP who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital. " http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm Best Wishes Bipin On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:34:19 +0200, Jay Weiss <weissjay wrote: > Benazir Bhutto > 21-June-1953 > 20:15 > Karachi, Pakistan > > Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani > > Best regards > /Jay Weiss > > > > > On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar wrote: >> >> || Jaya Jagannath || >> Dear Jyotishas, >> >> Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is killed today (27th >> December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at Rawalpindi. You can read >> the news at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. >> >> Anyone has her birth details? >> >> -- >> Best Wishes >> Sarajit Poddar >> >> -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jay, Thank you for sharing the data. Does the chart show her being assassinated? Best Regards Ramesh sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Jay Weiss Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:34 AM sohamsa Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in attack Benazir Bhutto 21-June-1953 20:15 Karachi, Pakistan Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani Best regards /Jay Weiss On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar > wrote: || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jyotishas, Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is killed today (27th December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at Rawalpindi. You can read the news at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. Anyone has her birth details? -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 OM NAMAH SHIVAJA DEAR FRIENDS , IT LOCKS THAT TIME OF BIRTH ARE CORRECT (UNFORTUNATELY), AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF PLACE OF DEATH ARE ALSO VISIBLE FROM HER CHART , THERE IS KETU WITH BUDH ,KETU ARE TERRORIST, ALSO GURU IN 5 HOUSE INDICATE THITHI PANCSAMI FOR THE DAY OF DEATH ,SEEM THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME OF BIRTH WHAT WAS GIVEN JOZSEF VIOLA --- " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " <rgangaramani wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Jay, > > Thank you for sharing the data. Does the chart show > her being assassinated? > > Best Regards > > Ramesh > > > > _____ > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Jay Weiss > Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:34 AM > sohamsa > Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in > attack > > > > Benazir Bhutto > 21-June-1953 > 20:15 > Karachi, Pakistan > > Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani > > Best regards > /Jay Weiss > > > > > > On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar@ > <sarajit.poddar gmail.com> wrote: > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Jyotishas, > > Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is > killed today (27th > December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at > Rawalpindi. You can read > the news at http://news. > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm.> > bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. > > Anyone has her birth details? > > -- > Best Wishes > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 |Om Shreenivasaya Namah| Dear Members, The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. The Lord Guru is placed in the 6th House showing violence. It is aspected by Rahu, showing political intrigue. Rahu aspects from the malefic Makar Rashi showing 'power' as the motive as Makar is the 10th Bhava for the Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also aspect Guru. Ketu shows that the act was carried out by the foot soldier and there was a suicide bomber as well. The telling thing is that the Shoola Dasha of Dhanu Rashi is running at the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from the AL and likely to cause death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The Dasha Rashi is aspected by the Rudra Graha. 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be rectified for other purposes as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna which would give diffidence in large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and Ketu in Navamsha Lagna could be a possibility. Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give her a sudden fall in the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th House, she was queenly in her life. If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha though it would explain her birth in a very accomplished family. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com sohamsa , viola jozef <vjozef wrote:>> OM NAMAH SHIVAJA > > DEAR FRIENDS ,> IT LOCKS THAT TIME OF BIRTH ARE CORRECT> (UNFORTUNATELY),> AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF PLACE OF DEATH ARE ALSO VISIBLE> FROM HER CHART , THERE IS KETU WITH BUDH ,KETU ARE> TERRORIST,> ALSO GURU IN 5 HOUSE INDICATE THITHI PANCSAMI FOR THE> DAY OF DEATH ,SEEM THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME OF> BIRTH WHAT WAS GIVEN > > JOZSEF VIOLA > > > --- "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" rgangaramani wrote:> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > > > > > Dear Jay,> > > > Thank you for sharing the data. Does the chart show> > her being assassinated?> > > > Best Regards> > > > Ramesh> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > Jay Weiss> > Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:34 AM> > sohamsa > > Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in> > attack> > > > > > > > Benazir Bhutto> > 21-June-1953> > 20:15> > Karachi, Pakistan> > > > Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani> > > > Best regards> > /Jay Weiss> > > > > > > > > > > > On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar@> > <sarajit.poddar gmail.com> wrote:> > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is> > killed today (27th> > December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at> > Rawalpindi. You can read> > the news at http://news.> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm.>> > bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm.> > > > Anyone has her birth details?> > > > -- > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit Poddar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Om Namah Shivaja , dear Anurag , I have one question for you , your argument are good , but only one thing I cant to understand , according to Sanjay Jee lecture from Belgrade , HE was explain that in the moment of death titi must be connected with the lord of fifth house and also if planets are in the fifth than tithi of that planets must be there , I think She was Makar rashi , and time should be rectified ,also 3 house from arudha lagna if kark rashi is counted like 3 from AL , THERE IS KETU AND BUDH wich shows terrorists attack , all the best Jozsef Viola --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Shreenivasaya Namah| > > Dear Members, > > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. > The Lord Guru is > placed in the 6th House showing violence. It is > aspected by Rahu, > showing political intrigue. Rahu aspects from the > malefic Makar Rashi > showing 'power' as the motive as Makar is the 10th > Bhava for the > Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also aspect Guru. Ketu > shows that the act was > carried out by the foot soldier and there was a > suicide bomber as well. > The telling thing is that the Shoola Dasha of Dhanu > Rashi is running at > the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from the AL and > likely to cause > death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The Dasha > Rashi is aspected by > the Rudra Graha. > > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be > rectified for other > purposes as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna > which would give > diffidence in large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and > Ketu in Navamsha > Lagna could be a possibility. > > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give > her a sudden fall > in the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th > House, she was queenly > in her life. > > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha > though it would explain > her birth in a very accomplished family. > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > sohamsa , viola jozef > <vjozef wrote: > > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAJA > > > > DEAR FRIENDS , > > IT LOCKS THAT TIME OF BIRTH ARE CORRECT > > (UNFORTUNATELY), > > AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF PLACE OF DEATH ARE ALSO > VISIBLE > > FROM HER CHART , THERE IS KETU WITH BUDH ,KETU ARE > > TERRORIST, > > ALSO GURU IN 5 HOUSE INDICATE THITHI PANCSAMI FOR > THE > > DAY OF DEATH ,SEEM THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME > OF > > BIRTH WHAT WAS GIVEN > > > > JOZSEF VIOLA > > > > > > --- " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " rgangaramani > > wrote: > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the data. Does the chart > show > > > her being assassinated? > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Jay Weiss > > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:34 AM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in > > > attack > > > > > > > > > > > > Benazir Bhutto > > > 21-June-1953 > > > 20:15 > > > Karachi, Pakistan > > > > > > Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani > > > > > > Best regards > > > /Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar@ > > > <sarajit.poddar gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > > Dear Jyotishas, > > > > > > Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto > is > > > killed today (27th > > > December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at > > > Rawalpindi. You can read > > > the news at http://news. > > > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm.> > > > bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. > > > > > > Anyone has her birth details? > > > > > > -- > > > Best Wishes > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________\ > ____________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Anurag, Good analysis. I have few comments howevever on the analysis, which are as follows: > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. The Lord Guru is placed > in the 6th House showing violence. It is aspected by Rahu, showing political > intrigue. Rahu aspects from the malefic Makar Rashi showing 'power' as the > motive as Makar is the 10th Bhava for the Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also > aspect Guru. Ketu shows that the act was carried out by the foot soldier and > there was a suicide bomber as well. [sP] Even if 3rd from AL is blank it is aspected by Mars and Sun from The telling thing is that the Shoola > Dasha of Dhanu Rashi is running at the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from > the AL and likely to cause death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The > Dasha Rashi is aspected by the Rudra Graha. > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be rectified for other purposes > as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna which would give diffidence in > large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and Ketu in Navamsha Lagna could be a > possibility. > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give her a sudden fall in > the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th House, she was queenly in her > life. > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha though it would explain her > birth in a very accomplished family. Regard On Dec 28, 2007 2:17 AM, Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Shreenivasaya Namah| > > Dear Members, > > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. The Lord Guru is placed > in the 6th House showing violence. It is aspected by Rahu, showing political > intrigue. Rahu aspects from the malefic Makar Rashi showing 'power' as the > motive as Makar is the 10th Bhava for the Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also > aspect Guru. Ketu shows that the act was carried out by the foot soldier and > there was a suicide bomber as well. The telling thing is that the Shoola > Dasha of Dhanu Rashi is running at the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from > the AL and likely to cause death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The > Dasha Rashi is aspected by the Rudra Graha. > > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be rectified for other purposes > as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna which would give diffidence in > large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and Ketu in Navamsha Lagna could be a > possibility. > > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give her a sudden fall in > the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th House, she was queenly in her > life. > > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha though it would explain her > birth in a very accomplished family. > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > sohamsa , viola jozef <vjozef wrote: > > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAJA > > > > DEAR FRIENDS , > > IT LOCKS THAT TIME OF BIRTH ARE CORRECT > > (UNFORTUNATELY), > > AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF PLACE OF DEATH ARE ALSO VISIBLE > > FROM HER CHART , THERE IS KETU WITH BUDH ,KETU ARE > > TERRORIST, > > ALSO GURU IN 5 HOUSE INDICATE THITHI PANCSAMI FOR THE > > DAY OF DEATH ,SEEM THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME OF > > BIRTH WHAT WAS GIVEN > > > > JOZSEF VIOLA > > > > > > --- " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " rgangaramani > > > wrote: > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the data. Does the chart show > > > her being assassinated? > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > Jay Weiss > > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:34 AM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in > > > attack > > > > > > > > > > > > Benazir Bhutto > > > 21-June-1953 > > > 20:15 > > > Karachi, Pakistan > > > > > > Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani > > > > > > Best regards > > > /Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar@ > > > <sarajit.poddar gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > > Dear Jyotishas, > > > > > > Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto is > > > killed today (27th > > > December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at > > > Rawalpindi. You can read > > > the news at http://news. > > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm.> > > > bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. > > > > > > Anyone has her birth details? > > > > > > -- > > > Best Wishes > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Anurag, Ignore my previous mail, it was sent by mistake. > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. The Lord Guru is placed > in the 6th House showing violence. It is aspected by Rahu, showing political > intrigue. Rahu aspects from the malefic Makar Rashi showing 'power' as the > motive as Makar is the 10th Bhava for the Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also > aspect Guru. Ketu shows that the act was carried out by the foot soldier and > there was a suicide bomber as well. [sP] Even if 3rd from AL is blank it is aspected by Mars and Sun from Gemini and 3rd sign from AL happens to be Sagittarius. Sun shows Gun and Mars shows bomb. She was killed by a suicide bomber who first attacked her with a Gun and then blasted himself. Saturn is also aspecting the 3rd from AL from the 10th house. Saturn indicate public and shows that the gathering around her for the rally. Mars and Sun conjoin Ghatika Lagna in Gemini which shows that the death is also linked to sharing of Power. They are aspecting the 3rd from the 7th house, showing that the opposition (in politics) could be involved. Saturn is the lord of 2nd and 3rd and is retrograde in the 10th house. What does it indicate? The telling thing is that the Shoola > Dasha of Dhanu Rashi is running at the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from > the AL and likely to cause death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The > Dasha Rashi is aspected by the Rudra Graha. [sP] Dhanu is aspected by 3 malefics, indicating towards death. However it is noteworthy that Saturn, the AK is also aspecting the sign and normally should have protected her. Why it did not protect? Is it because Saturn is one of the Rudras? Moon also becomes the rudra and is stronger than Saturn. Death can happen during the periods of the sign aspected by or in trine to the Rudra Grahas. In this case, the antar sign Gemini shows the cause of death due to placement of Sun and Mars and is in Trine to Moon and aspected by Saturn. > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be rectified for other purposes > as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna which would give diffidence in > large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and Ketu in Navamsha Lagna could be a > possibility. [sP] It is not 15 minutes past 8, but 6pm. The Punya Lagna has Mars retrograde showing some violent event and aspected by Mercury, Sun and Jupiter. > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give her a sudden fall in > the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th House, she was queenly in her > life. [sP] Why should Saturn give the fall as he is well placed in the 10th house. Instead Mercury is the 10th lord in the 8th house with Ketu, showing sudden fall. We can decide it further based on the dasa. May be we can take this up in subsequent mails. > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha though it would explain her > birth in a very accomplished family. [sP] Yes, since Shani is the Atmakaraka. Regards Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jozsef, It is not advisable to rectify the time based on only one aspect. Lets accept that Makar is the lagna then 5th house has Jupiter and hence the tithi should have been Panchami. Instead it is Chaturthi lorded by Mercury. However if you stick to Sagittarius lagna, then the 5th house has Venus and the 5th lord is in a Mercurial sign aspecting the 3rd from AL, determining the cause of death. No doubt the aspect of Mars and Sun on the 3rd from AL is a very crucial factor and Mercury being the dispositor can show the tithi of death. For Markar Lagna, however Sun is transiting trine to the A8; however for Sagittarius it is transiting 3rd (which is Trine to 7th from A8 and also the lord of A8). The lagna at death should ideally be transiting over the AL or trine to it. For Sagittarius Lagna, the AL is in Libra and the punya lagna in Gemini is in Trine; which is not true for Makara Lagna. Regards Sarajit On Dec 28, 2007 2:51 AM, viola jozef <vjozef wrote: Om Namah Shivaja , > dear Anurag , > I have one question for you , > your argument are good , but only one thing I cant to > understand , according to Sanjay Jee lecture from > Belgrade , HE was explain that in the moment of death > titi must be connected with the lord of fifth house > and also if planets are in the fifth than tithi of > that planets must be there , I think She was Makar > rashi , and time should be rectified ,also 3 house > from arudha lagna if kark rashi is counted like 3 from > AL , THERE IS KETU AND BUDH wich shows terrorists > attack , > all the best > Jozsef Viola > > > > --- Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > > > > |Om Shreenivasaya Namah| > > > > Dear Members, > > > > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. > > The Lord Guru is > > placed in the 6th House showing violence. It is > > aspected by Rahu, > > showing political intrigue. Rahu aspects from the > > malefic Makar Rashi > > showing 'power' as the motive as Makar is the 10th > > Bhava for the > > Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also aspect Guru. Ketu > > shows that the act was > > carried out by the foot soldier and there was a > > suicide bomber as well. > > The telling thing is that the Shoola Dasha of Dhanu > > Rashi is running at > > the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from the AL and > > likely to cause > > death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The Dasha > > Rashi is aspected by > > the Rudra Graha. > > > > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be > > rectified for other > > purposes as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna > > which would give > > diffidence in large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and > > Ketu in Navamsha > > Lagna could be a possibility. > > > > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give > > her a sudden fall > > in the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th > > House, she was queenly > > in her life. > > > > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha > > though it would explain > > her birth in a very accomplished family. > > > > Regards, > > > > Anurag Sharma > > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > sohamsa , viola jozef > > <vjozef wrote: > > > > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAJA > > > > > > DEAR FRIENDS , > > > IT LOCKS THAT TIME OF BIRTH ARE CORRECT > > > (UNFORTUNATELY), > > > AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF PLACE OF DEATH ARE ALSO > > VISIBLE > > > FROM HER CHART , THERE IS KETU WITH BUDH ,KETU ARE > > > TERRORIST, > > > ALSO GURU IN 5 HOUSE INDICATE THITHI PANCSAMI FOR > > THE > > > DAY OF DEATH ,SEEM THAT THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME > > OF > > > BIRTH WHAT WAS GIVEN > > > > > > JOZSEF VIOLA > > > > > > > > > --- " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " rgangaramani > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jay, > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the data. Does the chart > > show > > > > her being assassinated? > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > > > Jay Weiss > > > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:34 AM > > > > sohamsa > > > > Re: Benazir Bhutto killed in > > > > attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benazir Bhutto > > > > 21-June-1953 > > > > 20:15 > > > > Karachi, Pakistan > > > > > > > > Source: a mail from Ashwin Hirani > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > /Jay Weiss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 27/12/2007, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar@ > > > > <sarajit.poddar gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > > > Dear Jyotishas, > > > > > > > > Former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto > > is > > > > killed today (27th > > > > December 2007) in an gun and bomb attack at > > > > Rawalpindi. You can read > > > > the news at http://news. > > > > > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm.> > > > > bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7161590.stm. > > > > > > > > Anyone has her birth details? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________\ > > ____________ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Search. > > > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 |Om Shreenivasaya Namah| Dear Sarajit, sohamsa , "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit.poddar wrote:>> || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear Anurag,> > Ignore my previous mail, it was sent by mistake.> > > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. The Lord Guru is placed> > in the 6th House showing violence. It is aspected by Rahu, showing political> > intrigue. Rahu aspects from the malefic Makar Rashi showing 'power' as the> > motive as Makar is the 10th Bhava for the Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also> > aspect Guru. Ketu shows that the act was carried out by the foot soldier and> > there was a suicide bomber as well.> > [sP] Even if 3rd from AL is blank it is aspected by Mars and Sun from> Gemini and 3rd sign from AL happens to be Sagittarius. Sun shows Gun> and Mars shows bomb. She was killed by a suicide bomber who first> attacked her with a Gun and then blasted himself. Saturn is also> aspecting the 3rd from AL from the 10th house. Saturn indicate public> and shows that the gathering around her for the rally.> [A/S] That is quite true. > Mars and Sun conjoin Ghatika Lagna in Gemini which shows that the> death is also linked to sharing of Power. They are aspecting the 3rd> from the 7th house, showing that the opposition (in politics) could be> involved. Saturn is the lord of 2nd and 3rd and is retrograde in the> 10th house. What does it indicate?> [A/S] I think Vakra Shani indicates much the same thing that the Dhankaraka Guru as the lord of the 3rd Bhava from the AL indicates: some financial issues. Retrogression of Shani can indicate resilience and great energy to bounce back when the Dasham Shani causes the fall. Retrogression of a favourable planet, quite apart from the issue being discussed here, usualy shows that the Graha wants to involve the Jatak in its activities so strongly that three times the intensity in terms of effort and time go into it. If on evaluation one feels that the Graha is malefic for the Rashi Chakra, then it can indicate serious problems. Whether benefic or malefic, retrogression makes for delay. In benefic instances, it could be because the planet wants to polish the native to a shine; in malefic instances it is just a case of delay and difficulty and the Graha insisting that it will not budge.> > The telling thing is that the Shoola> > Dasha of Dhanu Rashi is running at the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from> > the AL and likely to cause death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The> > Dasha Rashi is aspected by the Rudra Graha.> > [sP] Dhanu is aspected by 3 malefics, indicating towards death.> However it is noteworthy that Saturn, the AK is also aspecting the> sign and normally should have protected her. Why it did not protect?> Is it because Saturn is one of the Rudras? Moon also becomes the rudra> and is stronger than Saturn. Death can happen during the periods of> the sign aspected by or in trine to the Rudra Grahas. In this case,> the antar sign Gemini shows the cause of death due to placement of Sun> and Mars and is in Trine to Moon and aspected by Saturn.> > > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be rectified for other purposes> > as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna which would give diffidence in> > large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and Ketu in Navamsha Lagna could be a> > possibility.> > [sP] It is not 15 minutes past 8, but 6pm. The Punya Lagna has Mars> retrograde showing some violent event and aspected by Mercury, Sun and> Jupiter.> [A/S] I was talking about the natal horoscope and not the Punya.> > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give her a sudden fall in> > the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th House, she was queenly in her> > life.> > [sP] Why should Saturn give the fall as he is well placed in the 10th> house. Instead Mercury is the 10th lord in the 8th house with Ketu,> showing sudden fall. We can decide it further based on the dasa. May> be we can take this up in subsequent mails.> [A/S] To the best of my understanding Shani no matter how well placed in the 10th, can give the danger of a sudden fall. This might apply to Shani in Lagna as well. I think Visti's article in the latest JD makes the same point. If I remember correctly, this is taken to extend to the Simhasana Yoga formed by Shani in Meena and Karka Rashis tenanting the Lagna and the 10th Bhava.> > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha though it would explain her> > birth in a very accomplished family.> > [sP] Yes, since Shani is the Atmakaraka.> > Regards> Sarajit>[A/S] Thank you for your learned views in illuminating this incident. Regards, Anurag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Anurag,Regarding Saturn's 10th house placement, I do not think that it will give malefic results per se. Saturn in the 10th from AL is troublesome but from Lagna it is not that bad. Actually all planets in the 10th house give benefic results in the matters of karma as that planet takes the form of Vishnu. Due to the retrogression, there will be delays though! The malefic results of Saturn is on the 4th house due to its 7th aspect. She was exiled! Aspect of Saturn on the 12th house troubled her with imprisonment (and exile too) and on the 7th (being the 3rd lord) it showed corruption charges to the spouse. RegardsSarajitOn Dec 28, 2007 2:42 PM, Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote: |Om Shreenivasaya Namah| Dear Sarajit, sohamsa , " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit.poddar wrote:>> || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Anurag,> > Ignore my previous mail, it was sent by mistake.> > > The 3rd from AL is in Dhanu Rashi which is vacant. The Lord Guru is placed> > in the 6th House showing violence. It is aspected by Rahu, showing political > > intrigue. Rahu aspects from the malefic Makar Rashi showing 'power' as the> > motive as Makar is the 10th Bhava for the Kalpurusha. Budh and Ketu also> > aspect Guru. Ketu shows that the act was carried out by the foot soldier and > > there was a suicide bomber as well.> > [sP] Even if 3rd from AL is blank it is aspected by Mars and Sun from> Gemini and 3rd sign from AL happens to be Sagittarius. Sun shows Gun> and Mars shows bomb. She was killed by a suicide bomber who first > attacked her with a Gun and then blasted himself. Saturn is also> aspecting the 3rd from AL from the 10th house. Saturn indicate public> and shows that the gathering around her for the rally. > [A/S] That is quite true. > Mars and Sun conjoin Ghatika Lagna in Gemini which shows that the> death is also linked to sharing of Power. They are aspecting the 3rd > from the 7th house, showing that the opposition (in politics) could be> involved. Saturn is the lord of 2nd and 3rd and is retrograde in the> 10th house. What does it indicate?> [A/S] I think Vakra Shani indicates much the same thing that the Dhankaraka Guru as the lord of the 3rd Bhava from the AL indicates: some financial issues. Retrogression of Shani can indicate resilience and great energy to bounce back when the Dasham Shani causes the fall. Retrogression of a favourable planet, quite apart from the issue being discussed here, usualy shows that the Graha wants to involve the Jatak in its activities so strongly that three times the intensity in terms of effort and time go into it. If on evaluation one feels that the Graha is malefic for the Rashi Chakra, then it can indicate serious problems. Whether benefic or malefic, retrogression makes for delay. In benefic instances, it could be because the planet wants to polish the native to a shine; in malefic instances it is just a case of delay and difficulty and the Graha insisting that it will not budge. > > The telling thing is that the Shoola> > Dasha of Dhanu Rashi is running at the moment which is in the 3rd Bhava from> > the AL and likely to cause death. The Antardasha is that of Gemini. The > > Dasha Rashi is aspected by the Rudra Graha.> > [sP] Dhanu is aspected by 3 malefics, indicating towards death.> However it is noteworthy that Saturn, the AK is also aspecting the> sign and normally should have protected her. Why it did not protect? > Is it because Saturn is one of the Rudras? Moon also becomes the rudra> and is stronger than Saturn. Death can happen during the periods of> the sign aspected by or in trine to the Rudra Grahas. In this case, > the antar sign Gemini shows the cause of death due to placement of Sun> and Mars and is in Trine to Moon and aspected by Saturn.> > > 15 minutes past 8 in the evening may have to be rectified for other purposes > > as this gives Shani in the Namasha Lagna which would give diffidence in> > large gatherings. Shukra, Chandra and Ketu in Navamsha Lagna could be a> > possibility.> > [sP] It is not 15 minutes past 8, but 6pm. The Punya Lagna has Mars > retrograde showing some violent event and aspected by Mercury, Sun and> Jupiter.> [A/S] I was talking about the natal horoscope and not the Punya. > > Shani in the 10th Bhava in the Rashi Chakra did give her a sudden fall in> > the career and as the Atmakaraka in the 10th House, she was queenly in her> > life.> > [sP] Why should Saturn give the fall as he is well placed in the 10th > house. Instead Mercury is the 10th lord in the 8th house with Ketu,> showing sudden fall. We can decide it further based on the dasa. May> be we can take this up in subsequent mails.> [A/S] To the best of my understanding Shani no matter how well placed in the 10th, can give the danger of a sudden fall. This might apply to Shani in Lagna as well. I think Visti's article in the latest JD makes the same point. If I remember correctly, this is taken to extend to the Simhasana Yoga formed by Shani in Meena and Karka Rashis tenanting the Lagna and the 10th Bhava. > > If Shani is taken to be in Lagna in the Navamsha though it would explain her> > birth in a very accomplished family.> > [sP] Yes, since Shani is the Atmakaraka. > > Regards> Sarajit>[A/S] Thank you for your learned views in illuminating this incident. Regards, Anurag. -- Best WishesSarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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