Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Jay, You should know that you cannot blindly apply the rules out of context. 1. The principle of Nadir you mention is as following. Heaven is seen in 10th house, while nadir is seen in 4th house. Therefore, houses in the 4th from the lord of a house belong to their nadir (fall), while those which are in the 10th from it are the heaven. Check this principle: Count from your Lagna lord 10th house and that is your heaven. You will always wish to support that house. There are many similar principles which underline the classical sutras of the jyotish texts. If you look at the classical texts, most of the texts will state that 2nd lord in 2nd house will damage children or give no children. The principle of nadir is thought of there. However in the cases you states, it comes to own house. There is a subtle difference. In such cases of Simha Lagna, due to lordship of 2nd house in 11th house in own sign, the person will use his intelligence well to earn money, and this is a dhana Yoga. However, due to the nadir principle, a person may not preserve money and will spend it away due to business investments. Even if karaka is placed in own sign in 2nd house, (guru for kumbha or Vrischika Lagna), a person may not have children if 5th house, Guru, Upapada and Saptamsa etc confirm. Hope that this helps. Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of J. Weiss7. sijeèanj 2008 8:26sohamsa Subject: COVA and 2nd house lord Dear Friends,Namaste,After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewedreview.To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do notcorrespond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal'questions as to their actual operation as single statements.A couple of examples:1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and housesplaced in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage','destroy').That will literally "destroy/damage" the 2nd house & planets in it ifthe 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income anddesires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his ownhouse ???What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH2nd and 11th) ?Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ?Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ?2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is veryconducive to wealth and status.I have seen several charts where this is the case and the ownersof those charts can hardly make a living, making the word "Wealth" adesired dream...Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards/Jay WeissP.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "nosingle factor in a chart can stand alone"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Dear Zoran,Thanks for your explanation./JayOn 08/01/2008, Zr <ahimsans wrote: Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Jay, You should know that you cannot blindly apply the rules out of context. 1. The principle of Nadir you mention is as following. Heaven is seen in 10th house, while nadir is seen in 4th house. Therefore, houses in the 4th from the lord of a house belong to their nadir (fall), while those which are in the 10th from it are the heaven. Check this principle: Count from your Lagna lord 10th house and that is your heaven. You will always wish to support that house. There are many similar principles which underline the classical sutras of the jyotish texts. If you look at the classical texts, most of the texts will state that 2nd lord in 2nd house will damage children or give no children. The principle of nadir is thought of there. However in the cases you states, it comes to own house. There is a subtle difference. In such cases of Simha Lagna, due to lordship of 2nd house in 11th house in own sign, the person will use his intelligence well to earn money, and this is a dhana Yoga. However, due to the nadir principle, a person may not preserve money and will spend it away due to business investments. Even if karaka is placed in own sign in 2nd house, (guru for kumbha or Vrischika Lagna), a person may not have children if 5th house, Guru, Upapada and Saptamsa etc confirm. Hope that this helps. Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of J. Weiss7. sijeèanj 2008 8:26sohamsa Subject: COVA and 2nd house lord Dear Friends,Namaste,After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewedreview.To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do notcorrespond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal'questions as to their actual operation as single statements.A couple of examples:1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and housesplaced in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage','destroy').That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it ifthe 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income anddesires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his ownhouse ???What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH2nd and 11th) ?Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ?Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ?2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is veryconducive to wealth and status.I have seen several charts where this is the case and the ownersof those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " adesired dream...Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards/Jay WeissP.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " nosingle factor in a chart can stand alone " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 हरे राम कृष्ण॥ Dear Jay, Namaskar You wrote: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... If you have the answer then why did you ask the question? Let me add to detail the point that Zoran raised: 1. The fourth house is the house of comfort whilst the tenth is the house of work. Therefore any planets/houses in the fourth from any planet/house add to that house/planets comfort... they have to work for the houses/planets in the tenth from them. Therefore the planets/houses in the fourth from the second lord must work for your sustenance. Hence the reason behind this concept. This is why the fourth house is an argala house and leads to your benefit, whilst the tenth house is an obstructive house and forces you to work/perform some labor. With this it must be understood that a planet cannot damage its own house, but the basic work/comfort relationship will remain the same. 2. Varnada lagna in the second house ensures that the losses and expenditure (12th house from lagna) lead to ones sustenance (11th from varnada lagna). How much sustenance this implies is a completely different question, and how about those people whose sustenance-giving planets have been snatched away from them? So the answer is: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... I will add that the only 'single-factors' which can stand alone are those which dominate the rest of the chart such as kala sarpa/amrita yoga, grahamalika yoga, atmakaraka doshas and curses, and even then these factors have slight shades of moderation with relation to the chart in their manifestation. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com J. Weiss wrote: Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally "destroy/damage" the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word "Wealth" a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Dear Visti,No, I had no answers to " Cova, #5.3.2 " as I found it to be confusing earlier and even more now after reading your mail.Kindly read #5.3.2 and you'll find that your answer does not correspond to it's content (in this particular case). I have asked a few people to read #5.3.2 and comment on how they understand it and the confusion in their reply made me send my mail.Please not the negative tendency (hostile, damage, destroy) in the text as well as the last words in #5.3.2 " and so on. " Best regards/Jay WeissOn 08/01/2008, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Jay, Namaskar You wrote: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... If you have the answer then why did you ask the question? Let me add to detail the point that Zoran raised: 1. The fourth house is the house of comfort whilst the tenth is the house of work. Therefore any planets/houses in the fourth from any planet/house add to that house/planets comfort... they have to work for the houses/planets in the tenth from them. Therefore the planets/houses in the fourth from the second lord must work for your sustenance. Hence the reason behind this concept. This is why the fourth house is an argala house and leads to your benefit, whilst the tenth house is an obstructive house and forces you to work/perform some labor. With this it must be understood that a planet cannot damage its own house, but the basic work/comfort relationship will remain the same. 2. Varnada lagna in the second house ensures that the losses and expenditure (12th house from lagna) lead to ones sustenance (11th from varnada lagna). How much sustenance this implies is a completely different question, and how about those people whose sustenance-giving planets have been snatched away from them? So the answer is: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... I will add that the only 'single-factors' which can stand alone are those which dominate the rest of the chart such as kala sarpa/amrita yoga, grahamalika yoga, atmakaraka doshas and curses, and even then these factors have slight shades of moderation with relation to the chart in their manifestation. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com J. Weiss wrote: Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Jay, Namaskar The intensity of the results is because the planet in question is the second lord, without which your life is over as there is no food/prana to eat. So if others are working for your prana, they are essentially working to give you their prana. The same intensity will not be seen when analyzing the fourth house from the tenth lord (Narayana/Vishnu) which shows those who are working to ensure your karmayoga continues, and are therefore ending their own karma through you... i would perceive this as a good thing. I hope this clarifies. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Jay Weiss wrote: Dear Visti, No, I had no answers to "Cova, #5.3.2" as I found it to be confusing earlier and even more now after reading your mail. Kindly read #5.3.2 and you'll find that your answer does not correspond to it's content (in this particular case). I have asked a few people to read #5.3.2 and comment on how they understand it and the confusion in their reply made me send my mail. Please not the negative tendency (hostile, damage, destroy) in the text as well as the last words in #5.3.2 "and so on." Best regards /Jay Weiss On 08/01/2008, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Jay, Namaskar You wrote: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... If you have the answer then why did you ask the question? Let me add to detail the point that Zoran raised: 1. The fourth house is the house of comfort whilst the tenth is the house of work. Therefore any planets/houses in the fourth from any planet/house add to that house/planets comfort... they have to work for the houses/planets in the tenth from them. Therefore the planets/houses in the fourth from the second lord must work for your sustenance. Hence the reason behind this concept. This is why the fourth house is an argala house and leads to your benefit, whilst the tenth house is an obstructive house and forces you to work/perform some labor. With this it must be understood that a planet cannot damage its own house, but the basic work/comfort relationship will remain the same. 2. Varnada lagna in the second house ensures that the losses and expenditure (12th house from lagna) lead to ones sustenance (11th from varnada lagna). How much sustenance this implies is a completely different question, and how about those people whose sustenance-giving planets have been snatched away from them? So the answer is: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... I will add that the only 'single-factors' which can stand alone are those which dominate the rest of the chart such as kala sarpa/amrita yoga, grahamalika yoga, atmakaraka doshas and curses, and even then these factors have slight shades of moderation with relation to the chart in their manifestation. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com J. Weiss wrote: Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally "destroy/damage" the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word "Wealth" a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 hare rama krsna Dear Guruji , Namaskar So can we add that planets in 2,11,4 suffers in relation to lord from which they are placed? Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal SkypeID: jyotraff1 Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com Visti Larsen napisaÅ‚(a): हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Jay, Namaskar The intensity of the results is because the planet in question is the second lord, without which your life is over as there is no food/prana to eat. So if others are working for your prana, they are essentially working to give you their prana. The same intensity will not be seen when analyzing the fourth house from the tenth lord (Narayana/Vishnu) which shows those who are working to ensure your karmayoga continues, and are therefore ending their own karma through you... i would perceive this as a good thing. I hope this clarifies. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Jay Weiss wrote: Dear Visti, No, I had no answers to "Cova, #5.3.2" as I found it to be confusing earlier and even more now after reading your mail. Kindly read #5.3.2 and you'll find that your answer does not correspond to it's content (in this particular case). I have asked a few people to read #5.3.2 and comment on how they understand it and the confusion in their reply made me send my mail. Please not the negative tendency (hostile, damage, destroy) in the text as well as the last words in #5.3.2 "and so on." Best regards /Jay Weiss On 08/01/2008, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Jay, Namaskar You wrote: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... If you have the answer then why did you ask the question? Let me add to detail the point that Zoran raised: 1. The fourth house is the house of comfort whilst the tenth is the house of work. Therefore any planets/houses in the fourth from any planet/house add to that house/planets comfort... they have to work for the houses/planets in the tenth from them. Therefore the planets/houses in the fourth from the second lord must work for your sustenance. Hence the reason behind this concept. This is why the fourth house is an argala house and leads to your benefit, whilst the tenth house is an obstructive house and forces you to work/perform some labor. With this it must be understood that a planet cannot damage its own house, but the basic work/comfort relationship will remain the same. 2. Varnada lagna in the second house ensures that the losses and expenditure (12th house from lagna) lead to ones sustenance (11th from varnada lagna). How much sustenance this implies is a completely different question, and how about those people whose sustenance-giving planets have been snatched away from them? So the answer is: P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... I will add that the only 'single-factors' which can stand alone are those which dominate the rest of the chart such as kala sarpa/amrita yoga, grahamalika yoga, atmakaraka doshas and curses, and even then these factors have slight shades of moderation with relation to the chart in their manifestation. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com J. Weiss wrote: Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally "destroy/damage" the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word "Wealth" a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no single factor in a chart can stand alone"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Jay, Namaste My take and hope to make some headway: 5.3.2 The reasoning is based on the statement: ‘karaka bhava hrsaya*” where the karaka of the 2nd house is Jupiter and that wherever its lord is placed, the significations of that house is destroyed with the proviso that if it is in strength. Later, it is stated that if 2nd is in 8th, a huge dowry or loss through alimony (and palimony )and the nature and strength of the dispositor lends buoyancy. Perhaps too an extended view of the 2nd and 7th house acting as maraka in the process of destruction and later, the concept of vedha is also applied. Think it this way: that the natural 2nd house is owned by Venus and with placement of Jupiter there can cause “mucho dineros”, but with two Gurus there in aspectual strength, can one mere Rahu destroy all the healthy significations that house bears as stated in a later statement but we are not to forget the qualifying statement of the dispositor’s strength which makes the difference. The 2nd is the 6th from the 9th so karmic debt also applies here especially to Jupiter, being the natural lord of the 9th. 5.3.4 The arudhas indicate the sources from where wealth will come from. If not money in the literal sense being one of the significations of the 2nd house, it can be extended to the longevity of one’s own family since this is also the house of marriage (5th from 2nd is the 6th house/upachaya). Not only money can bring happiness as we know ;-)) Again, it would depend on the strength of the dispositor and Venus and Jupiter’s strengths (being karaka for this house). main points are: the 2-11 yoga concept (read up on the chapter describing the 11th) maraka concept 2-7 vedha concept which is elucidated between the two chapters: 2-11 houses and application of planets in kendra and trines to the 2nd lord natural significator being Venus who is the natural lord of the 2nd house concept of the ‘karaka bhava hrsaya”/”Karaka tanu bhava” (statement is also qualified in the Jyotishnava Navanitam): Jupiter as the significator of 2nd house (Jyotisharnava Navanitam states that Jupiter in the 5th can cause grief to one’s progeny; perhaps untimely death etc. But if if Lagna is Aq and 5th is Ge indications are positive and if the 5th is Cp (that is Vi lagna), Ta lagna with Virgo as the 5th with Jupiter in it, progeny is more than likely not to happen). The Tula lagna native will have limited progeny with Jupiter in Pisces, though one with Leo lagna etc). love, Swee J. Weiss wrote: Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... 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Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Dear Swee,Your input has been noted and my thanks to you for taking the time to explain in length.Kindest regards/Jay WeissOn 09/01/2008, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Jay, Namaste My take and hope to make some headway: 5.3.2 The reasoning is based on the statement: 'karaka bhava hrsaya*" where the karaka of the 2nd house is Jupiter and that wherever its lord is placed, the significations of that house is destroyed with the proviso that if it is in strength. Later, it is stated that if 2nd is in 8th, a huge dowry or loss through alimony (and palimony )and the nature and strength of the dispositor lends buoyancy. Perhaps too an extended view of the 2nd and 7th house acting as maraka in the process of destruction and later, the concept of vedha is also applied. Think it this way: that the natural 2nd house is owned by Venus and with placement of Jupiter there can cause "mucho dineros", but with two Gurus there in aspectual strength, can one mere Rahu destroy all the healthy significations that house bears as stated in a later statement but we are not to forget the qualifying statement of the dispositor's strength which makes the difference. The 2nd is the 6th from the 9th so karmic debt also applies here especially to Jupiter, being the natural lord of the 9th. 5.3.4 The arudhas indicate the sources from where wealth will come from. If not money in the literal sense being one of the significations of the 2nd house, it can be extended to the longevity of one's own family since this is also the house of marriage (5th from 2nd is the 6th house/upachaya). Not only money can bring happiness as we know ;-)) Again, it would depend on the strength of the dispositor and Venus and Jupiter's strengths (being karaka for this house). main points are: the 2-11 yoga concept (read up on the chapter describing the 11th) maraka concept 2-7 vedha concept which is elucidated between the two chapters: 2-11 houses and application of planets in kendra and trines to the 2nd lord natural significator being Venus who is the natural lord of the 2nd house concept of the 'karaka bhava hrsaya"/"Karaka tanu bhava" (statement is also qualified in the Jyotishnava Navanitam): Jupiter as the significator of 2nd house (Jyotisharnava Navanitam states that Jupiter in the 5th can cause grief to one's progeny; perhaps untimely death etc. But if if Lagna is Aq and 5th is Ge indications are positive and if the 5th is Cp (that is Vi lagna), Ta lagna with Virgo as the 5th with Jupiter in it, progeny is more than likely not to happen). The Tula lagna native will have limited progeny with Jupiter in Pisces, though one with Leo lagna etc). love, Swee J. Weiss wrote: Dear Friends, Namaste, After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed review. To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' questions as to their actual operation as single statements. A couple of examples: 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', 'destroy'). That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it if the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own house ??? What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH 2nd and 11th) ? Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very conducive to wealth and status. I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " a desired dream... Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this Kind regards /Jay Weiss P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Jai Weiss ji, >no single factor in a chart can stand alone.. Single factors in chart CAN stand alone - because there no cancellation of results in astrology, but only modification; and that itself is the beauty of astrology. If not how can one predict? How can one derive result regarding the whole, when he is failing even to see the fragment? If one cannot arrive at tangible conclusions from fragments, how can you believe that he will come up with results from the whole - when visualizing the whole and considering all the parameters is an impossibility? Hope you see the point. Love and regards, Sreenadh sohamsa , "J. Weiss" <weissjay wrote:>> Dear Friends,> Namaste,> > After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed> review.> > To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not> correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal'> questions as to their actual operation as single statements.> A couple of examples:> > 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses> placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage',> 'destroy').> That will literally "destroy/damage" the 2nd house & planets in it if> the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and> desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own> house ???> What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH> 2nd and 11th) ?> Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the> 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ?> > Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ?> > 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very> conducive to wealth and status.> I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners> of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word "Wealth" a> desired dream...> > Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this > > Kind regards> /Jay Weiss> > P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of "no> single factor in a chart can stand alone"...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Sreenadhji, Really? I think what Jay has said is actually quite accurate and am still not convinced by your rebuttal. For example, isnt there a statement that says " pisces karakamsa gives final emancipation " . Either (a) the translation is wrong (this is from a Jaimini sutra, I think) (b) A whole lot of people are on their way to getting moksa © the result is delivered only when a host of other conditions are also satisfied. If they arent, the result is, in effect, cancelled, no? Or are there several grades of modified moksa? It is like the statement " Water cuts steel " . There are industrial machines that compress and accelerate a jet of water to a speed at which it can and does cut steel amazingly well. So the statement is " Water cuts steel " is true. Doesnt mean your kitchen faucet is going to blow a hole through your steel sink when you turn it on, does it, or even that there are lots of mini holes in your kitchen sink? Of course the result is heavily modified and even cancelled by other conditions. Or am I missing your point completely? Sundeep sohamsa , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Jai Weiss ji, > >no single factor in a chart can stand alone.. > Single factors in chart CAN stand alone - because there no > cancellation of results in astrology, but only modification; and that > itself is the beauty of astrology. If not how can one predict? How can > one derive result regarding the whole, when he is failing even to see > the fragment? If one cannot arrive at tangible conclusions from > fragments, how can you believe that he will come up with results from > the whole - when visualizing the whole and considering all the > parameters is an impossibility? Hope you see the point. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > sohamsa , " J. Weiss " <weissjay@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > Namaste, > > > > After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed > > review. > > > > To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not > > correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal' > > questions as to their actual operation as single statements. > > A couple of examples: > > > > 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses > > placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage', > > 'destroy'). > > That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it if > > the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and > > desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own > > house ??? > > What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH > > 2nd and 11th) ? > > Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the > > 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ? > > > > Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ? > > > > 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very > > conducive to wealth and status. > > I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners > > of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " a > > desired dream... > > > > Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this > > > > Kind regards > > /Jay Weiss > > > > P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no > > single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Sreenadh,With all due respect, please study the/my statement more carefully and you'll understand it better.The statement itself in it's basic English language can be applied generally to various areas where more than a single factor may constitute a probable result. From an astrological perspective, and Jyotish in particular this statement is more applicable than any other due to the fact that EACH single factor may or may not be influenced by <many> others factors in a chart. It's not enough to say (example) " the Moon is in Gemini and therefore ... " . The factors surrounding Moon (exp.) in any chart are many and if you think of the number of possible options in a chart taking in consideration aspects, argalas, divisional charts, various lagnas, states etc., you'll come up with at long list of factor to consider. Some of them may alter any other " single fact " as far as giving the opposite results. I hope that now you can appreciate this statement as 'cemented' and rooted in every attempt to interpret charts...Failing to do so will certainly result in wrong interpretation followed by wrong predictions. Best regard/Jay WeissOn 18/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Jai Weiss ji, >no single factor in a chart can stand alone.. Single factors in chart CAN stand alone - because there no cancellation of results in astrology, but only modification; and that itself is the beauty of astrology. If not how can one predict? How can one derive result regarding the whole, when he is failing even to see the fragment? If one cannot arrive at tangible conclusions from fragments, how can you believe that he will come up with results from the whole - when visualizing the whole and considering all the parameters is an impossibility? Hope you see the point. Love and regards, Sreenadh sohamsa , " J. Weiss " <weissjay wrote:>> Dear Friends, > Namaste,> > After spending some time on the shelf I pulled out Cova for a renewed> review.> > To my 'surprise' I am 'discovering' various issues which either do not > correspond with reality (i.e. practical charts) or raise 'internal'> questions as to their actual operation as single statements.> A couple of examples:> > 1. On page 81 of Cova, #5.3.2 we find that the planets and houses > placed in the 4th from the 2nd lord are weakened ('hostile', 'damage',> 'destroy').> That will literally " destroy/damage " the 2nd house & planets in it if> the 2nd lord is placed in the 11th house (the house of income and > desires among others), actually making the 2nd lord destroying his own> house ???> What if it is a Leo lagna with Mercury placed in the 11th (owns BOTH> 2nd and 11th) ?> Furthermore, what if the karaka for wealth Jupiter is the lord of the > 2nd placed in the 11th, or if Jupiter is placed in the 2nd ?> > Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this ?> > 2. #5.3.4. on Page 82: Varnada lagna placement in the 2nd is very > conducive to wealth and status.> I have seen several charts where this is the case and the owners> of those charts can hardly make a living, making the word " Wealth " a> desired dream... > > Can anyone provide a PRACTICAL explanation to this > > Kind regards> /Jay Weiss> > P.S: The above are only two examples which strengthen the point of " no> single factor in a chart can stand alone " ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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