Simple question about exactly what Mars symbolizes

January 7, 2008

Dear Gordon, Brilliant explanation Mars when strong in a chart in Yuti with Surya gives a never-say-die attitude.This can lead to extreme fanaticism if unchecked by benificial influences (Hitler's chart is a case in point) However, Mars is one of the most spiritual planets (Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had exalted Mars in his 12th house) Regards, aavesh GWBrennan wrote: Dear Lakshmi, Sundeep, Tijana I think the problem in all this discussion is trying to assign certain areas of the mind or mental activity as belonging to Mars and thus getting into confusion. Quoting a large variety of modern sources which have no understanding of - or reliance on - Jyotish as evidence that Mars is related to one type of action

or another is not going to arrive at the right answer. To ascertain the nature of Mars study all of the classical definitions, example charts, the 108 names, etc., etc. I would also recommend reading Kumarasambhava, The Birth of Mars, which is available in English translation in a number of editions. It is Mercury who does not want to win. Mercury does not naturally defeat an opponent. Thus he is not involved in argument. It is kind of beneath him. Each planet as Tijana said promotes only its desire. Mars is rash because he can act when action may not be needed as well as when it is, but it is from Mars that the science of Nyaya comes. If you argue against Mercury will give way, Mars will not. To define the science of Nyaya you could say it is the ascertainment of a fact, it can even be a truth, by exposing those statements which cloud, contradict

or somehow prevent that fact from being known. Tarka is more specifically confutation or argumentation, trying to destroy the other argument. Nyaya is a more inclusive term and can be expressed as the whole science of logic. In Jyotisha terms it is Mars who fights on behalf of the Sun to defeat those who are hiding the light. Regards Gordon With Best Wishes, aavesh

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January 7, 2008

Dear Lakshmi,

I have no knowledge of the classics, so I cant agree or disagree

with you. I can simply compare what you say with what Gordon and

Tijana have earlier said. Their writeups point away from discovery-

only deductive logic (which I maintain is a huge and in fact primary

part of formal logic, encompassing mathematical logic, boolean

logic, the foundations of computer science as well), and point

toward a specific goal-oriented deductive logic. And, in the latter

part of your reply, even you indirectly support what they say

because you recognize Mars is the police and the army chief. Both

the police and the army chief are specifically assigned the role of

subduing internal and external " troublemakers " . Not just identifying

them (which would be simple " discovery " ), but actually subduing

them. And that is exactly what they have said, that Mars needs to

win, to have something to subdue. Or do you have some other concrete

illustrations in which this culmination (of logic) does not end in

subduing/winning and is still associated with Mars?

Thanks

Sundeep

sohamsa , " b_lakshmi_ramesh "

<b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Sundeep,

>

> If I may share my two cents with you, I think mars is linked

> to " Nyaya " .....as a deductive logic based on " Dharma " prevalent at

a

> particular place and at a particular time.

>

> Mars represents " agni " , the dharma trikona of the natural zodiac.

Sun

> represents Dharma, Jupiter represents judicious interpretaion of

that

> dharma and Mars represents the final conclusion / verdict /

action.

> Mars also indicates the police who deliver the punishment based on

> the verdict.

>

> All three Sun as the King/goverment, Jupiter as the minister and

Mars

> as the army chief are linked to justice. I feel that if all these

> planets are strong and in trines, it would make an extraordinaliry

> just person.

>

> Can the word " tarka " indicate argumentative logic better?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sharat,

> > What I meant is: In Hindi Nyaaya means justice or judging. In

its

> > relation to Mars, my best guess is that it means judging, not

> > justice. Judging is simply the process of reaching a conclusion.

> > Justice is reaching a fair conclusion. I'll share a funny

anecdote

> > with you. My father in law is constantly involved in property

> > struggles in India in which his relatives are forever trying to

> > cheat him of his rightful share of ancestral property. Many of

them

> > are rich and easily bribe the judges and police in India to

judge

> or

> > provide evidence(wrongly) in their favor. After a particularly

bad

> > incident in which the police provided completely false evidence

> > against my father in law, he appealed to the judge to set things

> > straight. The judge said " Here we only provide judgements based

on

> > the evidence presented to us. For justice, that is up to God,

not

> > us " :-)

> >

> > I have Mars strongly influencing my Navamsa ascendant too. I too

> > feel it does not give me a sense of justice (I hope I get that

from

> > Jupiter, but how much I cant say). But it (Mars) definitely

gives

> me

> > the ability to make judgements..

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > I agree entirely and that surely Nyaya is also Justice and

that

> > must also be reflected by Mars.

> > > I have Mercury and Venus in 5H (Aries) navamsa which also has

> > laabh argala from Mars. It does make me rational and logistic

> but '

> > sense of justice' does not predominate.

> > > Best

> > > Sharat

> > >

> > > -

> > > vedicastrostudent

> > > sohamsa

> > > Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:34 AM

> > > Re: Simple question about exactly what

Mars

> > symbolizes

> > >

> > > Dear Sharat,

> > > I'm using the word " precise " too much these days, perhaps my

> > > Mercury is acting up :-) But to be a little more precise, I

> > doubt if

> > > all of logic is " a part of " Nyaya sutras (if your reference

is

> > to

> > > them). Logic is a vast field, investigated heavily in the

19th

> > > century I believe. There was Bertrand Russell's Principia

> > > Mathematica and then in the 20th century there was Kurt

Godel's

> > very

> > > famous incompleteness theorem, which effectively put an end

to

> > the

> > > search for a perfect logical system. (Boolean) logic is the

> > > foundation of computer science too, and we all know the

reach

> of

> > > computers these days. Just from Gordon's and Tijana's hints,

I

> > > believe Nyaya sutras probably describe that part of logic

that

> > is

> > > used in argumentation theory. And the Nyaya sutras probably

> have

> > a

> > > lot more too, as you say, so Nyaya sutras and the vast field

of

> > > logic probably intersect, but neither is a superset of the

> other

> > is

> > > what I believe (but havent yet verified) is true. Also, from

my

> > day

> > > to day Hindi Nyaya means justice or judging, not logic.

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > ||Namah Shivaya||

> > > > Dear Tijana, Sundeep

> > > >

> > > > Nyaya in Sanskrit conveys a whole philosophy on which much

> has

> > > been written, logic is only a small part of it.

> > > >

> > > > Best

> > > > Sharat

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > tijanadamjanovic

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:55 PM

> > > > Re: Simple question about exactly what

> Mars

> > > symbolizes

> > > >

> > > > om gurave namah

> > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > >

> > > > Logic is the right word only because there isn`t any other

to

> > > describe

> > > > what nyaya is. That`s why I was pointing to nyaya-after

> > > understanding

> > > > what it is you can decide on various definitions on logic,

in

> > the

> > > > first place-is it an instrument or the objective.

> > > >

> > > > From the stand point of logic there isn`t anything like

> > deceitful

> > > > thinking, but only correct or incorrect. Mars here is not

more

> > > > self-serving than any other planet as every planet has a

> > desire

> > > which

> > > > it tries to fulfill. Does that particular desire for

winning

> > > prove to

> > > > be good, bad, moral, immoral and similar you have see from

> the

> > > big

> > > > picture of horoscope.

> > > > Yoga you`ve mentioned with Jupiter will for example make

that

> > > desire

> > > > good, as if you have found correct system of thinking and

if

> > the

> > > > motive of Jupiter-knowledge, desire for the truth etc. is

> > added

> > > to it,

> > > > you are getting almost unfailing combination of mental

> ability

> > to

> > > > point out or to prove the truth, or in other words-to win

> over

> > > the

> > > > untruth.

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > Tijana

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tijana,

> > > > > Thank you for your reply. Precisely my point - " the

> > definition

> > > of

> > > > > the word " logic " will not give me an answer " . So what

> should

> > > we do?

> > > > > Force the English word " logic " to mean what " Kujain

> > > Naiyaayika "

> > > > > meant? Or accept that " logic " is not the right word to

> > > describe the

> > > > > idea hinted at in the shloka?

> > > > >

> > > > > That is one of my points. When Sanjayji translated that

> > shloka

> > > > > to " Mars in 1/5 gives a logician " , then it is an

incomplete

> > > > > translation at best (no offence meant to Sanjayji),

> > especially

> > > for

> > > > > those who dont know the Sanskrit context (like me). From

> > what

> > > you

> > > > > and Gordon are insisting a more accurate statement would

> > > be " Mars in

> > > > > 1/5 gives a self-serving and rash logician " . Self

serving

> > > because

> > > > > his goal is to win (as both Gordon and you say). Rash

> > because

> > > he may

> > > > > draw conclusions too early (as your example shows). And

> what

> > > would

> > > > > he do if logic didnt go in his favor? Would he become

> > > deceitful too,

> > > > > not revealing the part of logic that didnt go in his

favor

> > > because

> > > > > winning is prime for him? This is not really a logician

at

> > all

> > > (!),

> > > > > rather an insult to them, because simply by putting all

> this

> > > > > together, the most accurate definition seems to be " Mars

in

> > > 1/5

> > > > > gives a self-serving, rash and potentially deceitful

> > > logician " :-)

> > > > > Am I on the right track here, please?

> > > > >

> > > > > So, is Mars all bad? I frequently see reference to

Jupiter-

> > > Mars

> > > > > yogas producing some very great scholars.. There must be

> > some

> > > good

> > > > > side to it as well? What is that, if at all? I tried to

> view

> > > it (the

> > > > > good side) as decisiveness and judgment making

capability

> > but

> > > Gordon

> > > > > didnt seem to agree, I didnt quite understand why.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sundeep

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa , " tijanadamjanovic "

> > > > > <tijanadamjanovic@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > om gurave namah

> > > > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Definition of logic in Western philosophy will not

give

> > you

> > > an

> > > > > answer.

> > > > > > There isn`t anything similar to general opinion in

> Western

> > > > > philosophy

> > > > > > on weather is logic an instrument of thinking or the

aim

> > of

> > > > > thinking

> > > > > > by itself, that is, a separate branch of innumerable

> > > branches of

> > > > > > philosophy. There is a kind of irony consisted in the

> word

> > > > > philosophy

> > > > > > that pictures its state in West. As philosophy it

> > indicates

> > > > > passionate

> > > > > > love for the truth, but as philozophy, as prounounced

in

> > > English,

> > > > > it

> > > > > > denotes desire for darkness (as word zofos in old

Greek

> > means

> > > > > > darkness). That`s why I think you should stick to

> sanskrit

> > > and to

> > > > > what

> > > > > > nyaya is.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gordon had a point when he said that Mars is all about

> > > winning.

> > > > > Every

> > > > > > graha is motivated by a certain desire. Mars has

desire

> to

> > > win.

> > > > > When

> > > > > > applied to thinking, Mars represents tactic or

strategy

> of

> > > thinking

> > > > > > with the aim of making own point the only valid one.

But

> > > that

> > > > > doesn`t

> > > > > > mean the truth (for that he needs Jupiter). To prove

this

> > > you can

> > > > > take

> > > > > > any simple syllogism which form the basis of logic,

the

> > most

> > > simple

> > > > > > and common one will be enough to illustrate this: Dog

has

> > > four

> > > > > legs,

> > > > > > cat has four legs=dog is cat. Mars will not be

concerned

> > > about the

> > > > > > truthfulness of the statement if it will serve the

cause.

> > > When

> > > > > making

> > > > > > someone naiyaayika, Mars employs person`s intelligence

in

> > > > > > argumentations and directs it with his desire to win.

> > > > > > I hope this helps.

> > > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > > Tijana

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Nirvanika,

> > > > > > > Thank you for your very interesting reply. I

definitely

> > > get the

> > > > > > > feel of what you are trying to say, but I am looking

> for

> > a

> > > > > precise

> > > > > > > wording. Otherwise, it is easy to make mistakes. For

> > > example,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > say " mars attributes to logic/intuition " . While

logic

> is

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > that people will agree to, but intuition? Intuition

is

> > all

> > > about

> > > > > > > insight, a sudden flash of deep awareness. The deep

> > > awareness

> > > > > itself

> > > > > > > has to be Jupiter, not Mars. Your other comments

about

> > > Mercury

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > smooth and always open is something that has been

> echoed

> > > many

> > > > > times

> > > > > > > in old posts, and I am comfortable with that.

Mercury

> > very

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > does not force decisions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In general though I dont feel that yours is a chart

in

> > > which we

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > really draw many conclusions about the nature of

> > Mercury.

> > > It is

> > > > > > > debilitated and in marana and probably incompletely

> > > > > > > expressed/shortened in its manifestation as a mental

> > > process.

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > is probably a lot stronger there (although in

marana),

> > and

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > why you make decisions that surprise yourself. You

cut

> > > short

> > > > > (Mars)

> > > > > > > the reasoning (Mercury) that is unable to get a

secure

> > > foothold

> > > > > (in

> > > > > > > Pisces) by making decisions at short notice. And

Pisces

> > is

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > also why you related Mars to intuition because in

your

> > > case they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > linked - Pisces is ruled by Jupiter. But I am

guessing

> > > that your

> > > > > > > Jupiter is well placed/strong?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa , " healing spaces "

> > > > > <healingspaces@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Rama krsna : : Namo Narayana

> > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep ,

> > > > > > > > If i had to put it crudely about mars and

mercury , i

> > > would

> > > > > > > simply define

> > > > > > > > mars attributes to logic/intution ( empirical,

> > rational

> > > or

> > > > > > > irrational) , it

> > > > > > > > tends to make a opinion and drives one to a

> conclusive

> > > answer.

> > > > > > > This in some

> > > > > > > > ways is called tree thinking model or the striated

> > model

> > > of

> > > > > > > thinking, where

> > > > > > > > one tries to find definite origins and ends. it

tries

> > to

> > > join

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > points.

> > > > > > > > Mercury by nature is smooth and rhizomatic in its

> > > thinking

> > > > > > > pattern, and

> > > > > > > > would always seek to find more connections , more

> > latent

> > > > > patterns,

> > > > > > > that may

> > > > > > > > not reach any conclusions. it is always in

> > the 'middle'

> > > > > believing

> > > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > 'AND' what more like a student who is always

> > questioning

> > > and

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > satiated.

> > > > > > > > It may also attribute to self-organizing and

> > elasticity

> > > in its

> > > > > > > positioning.

> > > > > > > > it tries to pass through a point. Like todays

> > networked

> > > age.

> > > > > > > > The conjunction of two mars and mercury ,

definitely

> > > puts one

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > an entangle

> > > > > > > > like a Mobius strip.

> > > > > > > > i have LL mercury and mars in 7th house in pisces,

> and

> > i

> > > do

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > entangled

> > > > > > > > quite often. But the upside is i always am open to

> > > things and

> > > > > > > always open to

> > > > > > > > take decisions. but decisions come in short notice

to

> > > not only

> > > > > > > others but to

> > > > > > > > myself as well ! To be honest i am always shocked

by

> > my

> > > own

> > > > > > > decisions!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nirvanika

> > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 7:02 AM, vedicastrostudent

> > > <vedicastrostudent@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gordon,

> > > > > > > > > I am puzzled as to exactly why you think I have

> > > > > misunderstood.

> > > > > > > When

> > > > > > > > > you say " It is not really the point here that

were

> > are

> > > not

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > trying to defeat an opponent " , what I really

mean

> is

> > > that I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > lifting the level of abstraction from 2 people

> > having

> > > a

> > > > > physical

> > > > > > > > > fight, to two contradictory issues/positions

> > fighting

> > > for

> > > > > > > dominance

> > > > > > > > > in one's mind. I am not disagreeing to the

> > opposition

> > > part

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > what seems to be your key contribution, simply

> > > generalizing

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > domain in which it happens. In the first case

Mars

> > > makes one

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > fighters win. In the second case Mars makes one

> make

> > a

> > > > > judgment

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > to which position to adopt. When you have to

make a

> > > decision

> > > > > or a

> > > > > > > > > judgment, it is implicit that there is at least

> > another

> > > > > > > > > contradictory position, otherwise where is the

> > > > > decision/judgment?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to what is the " process of logic " , I'm afraid

> > here

> > > we

> > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > disagree. Logic is not really about finding

winning

> > > > > positions -

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is about discovery through consistently applying

> > > principles,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > this is not my personal opinion at all rather

the

> > > common

> > > > > > > > > understanding. When you say to someone " Be

logical "

> > it

> > > means

> > > > > use

> > > > > > > > > the principles consistently, not find the

winning

> > > position.

> > > > > Of

> > > > > > > > > course, you may find the winning position by

> > applying

> > > the

> > > > > > > principles

> > > > > > > > > consistently, but then again you may reach an

> > impasse.

> > > > > Witness

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Merriam Webster definition:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Main Entry: log·ic

> > > > > > > > > Pronunciation: \ & #712;lä-jik\

> > > > > > > > > Function: noun

> > > > > > > > > Etymology: Middle English logik, from Anglo-

French,

> > > from

> > > > > Latin

> > > > > > > > > logica, from Greek logikç, from feminine of

logikos

> > of

> > > > > reason,

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > logos reason - more at legend

> > > > > > > > > 12th century

> > > > > > > > > 1 a (1): a science that deals with the

principles

> > and

> > > > > criteria of

> > > > > > > > > validity of inference and demonstration : the

> > science

> > > of the

> > > > > > > formal

> > > > > > > > > principles of reasoning (2): a branch or variety

of

> > > logic

> > > > > <modal

> > > > > > > > > logic> <Boolean logic> (3): a branch of

semiotic;

> > > > > especially :

> > > > > > > > > syntactics (4): the formal principles of a

branch

> of

> > > > > knowledge b

> > > > > > > > > (1): a particular mode of reasoning viewed as

valid

> > or

> > > > > faulty

> > > > > > > (2):

> > > > > > > > > relevance propriety c: interrelation or sequence

of

> > > facts or

> > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > when seen as inevitable or predictable d: the

> > > arrangement of

> > > > > > > circuit

> > > > > > > > > elements (as in a computer) needed for

computation;

> > > also :

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > circuits themselves

> > > > > > > > > 2: something that forces a decision apart from

or

> in

> > > > > opposition

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > reason <the logic of war>

> > > > > > > > > - lo·gi·cian \lô- & #712;ji-sh & #601;n\ noun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regarding the Jaimini sutra, I'll get back to

you

> on

> > > that..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > > > GWBrennan@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think you may have misunderstood the nature

of

> > > Mars. He

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > wins. He

> > > > > > > > > > is always wishing to defeat an opponent and

that

> > is

> > > the

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > logical

> > > > > > > > > > analysis. It requires a counter proposition to

> > > negate in

> > > > > order

> > > > > > > > > to arrive at its

> > > > > > > > > > proof. Mars needs to find the enemy's weakness

> and

> > > defeat

> > > > > him.

> > > > > > > > > That is the

> > > > > > > > > > process of logic. It is not really the point

here

> > > that we

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > not always

> > > > > > > > > > trying to defeat an opponenet, Mars can not do

> > > otherwise.

> > > > > > > > > Reasoning as a

> > > > > > > > > > concept does not equate to any single planet.

You

> > > have to

> > > > > study

> > > > > > > > > the planets to

> > > > > > > > > > learn what they indicate, not try to fit them

> into

> > > your own

> > > > > > > > > framework of

> > > > > > > > > > reference.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit will help to understand the matters

you

> > are

> > > > > writing

> > > > > > > > > about. But

> > > > > > > > > > Nyaya is a catch-all type of word. It comes

> > > from 'ni'

> > > > > meaning

> > > > > > > > > down or into and

> > > > > > > > > > 'aya' from the verb 'i' to go. So the precise

> > > > > understanding of

> > > > > > > > > the word has

> > > > > > > > > > to come more from the tradition. You could

read

> > the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > > > > Nyaya Sutras.

> > > > > > > > > > English words like justice and judgment do not

> > > always

> > > > > easily

> > > > > > > > > translate into

> > > > > > > > > > the actions of planets. I think it is a better

> way

> > > to

> > > > > proceed

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you try to

> > > > > > > > > > understand the classical statements in

Jyotish.

> If

> > > you

> > > > > tell me

> > > > > > > > > what Jaimini

> > > > > > > > > > Sutra you are referring to I might be able to

> help

> > > with

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gordon

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 7, 2008

Dear Aavesh,

You say " Mars is one of the most spiritual planets " . I'm simply

trying to reconcile this statement with Gordon and Tijana's earlier

writeup. Would you say then that it leads to spirituality because it

is successful in subduing desire(?) I have also read somewhere that

Mars is celibate.. But I dont remember where now, and am wondering

if all of this is related..

Thanks

Sundeep

sohamsa , aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Dear Gordon,

>

> Brilliant explanation

>

> Mars when strong in a chart in Yuti with Surya gives a never-

say-die attitude.This can lead to extreme fanaticism if unchecked by

benificial influences (Hitler's chart is a case in point)

>

> However, Mars is one of the most spiritual planets (Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa had exalted Mars in his 12th house)

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

> GWBrennan wrote:

> Dear Lakshmi, Sundeep, Tijana

>

> I think the problem in all this discussion is trying to assign

certain areas of the mind or mental activity as belonging to Mars

and thus getting into confusion. Quoting a large variety of modern

sources which have no understanding of - or reliance on - Jyotish

as evidence that Mars is related to one type of action or another is

not going to arrive at the right answer. To ascertain the nature of

Mars study all of the classical definitions, example charts, the 108

names, etc., etc. I would also recommend reading Kumarasambhava, The

Birth of Mars, which is available in English translation in a number

of editions.

>

> It is Mercury who does not want to win. Mercury does not

naturally defeat an opponent. Thus he is not involved in argument.

It is kind of beneath him. Each planet as Tijana said promotes only

its desire. Mars is rash because he can act when action may not be

needed as well as when it is, but it is from Mars that the science

of Nyaya comes. If you argue against Mercury will give way, Mars

will not.

>

> To define the science of Nyaya you could say it is the

ascertainment of a fact, it can even be a truth, by exposing those

statements which cloud, contradict or somehow prevent that fact from

being known. Tarka is more specifically confutation or

argumentation, trying to destroy the other argument. Nyaya is a

more inclusive term and can be expressed as the whole science of

logic. In Jyotisha terms it is Mars who fights on behalf of the Sun

to defeat those who are hiding the light.

>

> Regards

>

> Gordon

>

With Best Wishes,

>

> aavesh

>

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January 7, 2008

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Sundeep,

Namaste

For a bit of fun )

The Martian Pioneer, the Brigadier General or the Celibate

The English language is a notoriously tricky one. What with all its rules and exceptions…Someone should have told the newly-appointed quasi priest that the “g” in manger is pronounced softly – more like a “j”: as in ranger rather than as in hangar but all refrain for fear of embarrassing him...

Nyaya as deductive logic based on " Dharma " prevalent at a particular place and at a particular time and later, judges Mars to be the “Brigadier General@war zone” comes the echo from Lakshmi, but none yet so far provides the deduction of dispositorship?? (The sanskritists have yet to offer what Nyaya really means, so I guess you, like am back to square one, but I sincerely hope not).

My spiritual beliefs tend towards the pantheistic. Feelings of awe and reverence are inspired by nature – trees mostly (mani), gemstones sometimes but more often than not, prayers to soothe many life time; and on rare days – by indomitable human spirit in Hanuman as the celibate when Mars exalts in the sign Capricorn.

“Pure logic” as in pure math do not come in numbers, but letters – how much more abstract can science get? Mars is the lord of the first sign, and that automatically qualifies him to be the pioneer who forges ahead like in the Brigadier General after much deliberation on strategy.

So is logic a natural deduction of strategy? Naturally! Mars simply does not have the room to put emotions into gear (debilitated in Cancer). To To be borne in mind 5th from swamsa or from AK lend Mars the empathy with Sun who exalts in its sign and viz. a viz. the natural placement of Mars in the 5th sign Leo.

Love,

Swee

vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent

Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:46:58 +0000

Re: Simple question about exactly what Mars symbolizes