Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear all, Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby Fischer, who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. He died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set of quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly of the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in dasa varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars yogakaraka. See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52 Sundeep Quotes/incidents: " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived in Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. " He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets " Commie cheats. " ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to crush the other man's mind.'' Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than settle for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, which are at a disadvantage as white moves first. He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than on intuition Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the greatest, but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to be modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It is Fischer. " Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when opponents began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he once said. One commentator said there was one constant through his life - his " running battle with the rest of the human race " . Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in the world " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine. " " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear Sundeep, I think war time is applicable to that time and place. Regards, Krishnavedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent wrote: Dear all,Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby Fischer, who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. He died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set of quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly of the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in dasa varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars yogakaraka. See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52SundeepQuotes/incidents:"I don't play the old chess," he told reporters when he arrived in Iceland in 2005. "But obviously if I did, I would be the best."He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets "Commie cheats."``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to crush the other man's mind.''Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than settle for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, which are at a disadvantage as white moves first.He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than on intuitionDebate has always raged in chess circles about who was the greatest, but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: "It's nice to be modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It is Fischer."Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when opponents began to feel they would lose. "I like to see 'em squirm," he once said.One commentator said there was one constant through his life - his "running battle with the rest of the human race".Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in the world"I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine.Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it." Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear John and Sundeep, For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in 3rd and 6th from AL! Best Regards Ramesh sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of John Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM sohamsa Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead To All: I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava chart shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours and proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous. Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house. Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite of gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess Champion in history. Regards, John R. sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Sundeep, > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place. > > Regards, > Krishna > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent wrote: > Dear all, > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby Fischer, > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. He > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set of > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly of > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in dasa > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars yogakaraka. > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52 > > Sundeep > > Quotes/incidents: > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived in > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. " > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the > Soviets " Commie cheats. " > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to crush > the other man's mind.'' > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than settle > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, which > are at a disadvantage as white moves first. > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than on > intuition > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the greatest, > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to be > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It is > Fischer. " > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when opponents > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he once > said. > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life - > his " running battle with the rest of the human race " . > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in the > world > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine. " > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. " > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent wrote: > > Dear John, > > It is interesting to note that the bhava chart > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours > and > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous. > > > > I dont understand Bhava chart, sorry for my ignorance. If it is read > in a similar way to Rasi, then Jupiter in Lagna and Mars in 7th, > while I know it is some sort of a " mati brahmana " yoga, I doubt if > it really implies insanity in the conventional sense of the word. > For e.g., Sri Ram's chart has the same combination, and so does > Sanjay Rathji (although the Mars isnt exalted). > > > Sundeep > The bhava chart is read just like the rashi chart. I am merely showing the yoga described by BV Raman in his book of yogas. There are exceptions to this rule for sure. But the yoga appears to apply to Bobby Fischer, since he was rather eccentric by most cultural standards. But then again, someone has said that there is a thin line between genius and insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Michal, Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is something else and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word" brave" is inadequate. It is parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest, krama-movement), so is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we will move (krama) towards the battle or not, how we move in society. 6th house is the place where such movement occurs (4th from 3rd). Therefore, in a way, you may be right that malefic can cause bad krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but will it manifest? These are the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and 6th from Arudha Lagna, a person is ahimsavadi, etc Hope this helps... Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevicwww.siva-edu.comjyotish blog atwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01sohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Ramesh and Sundeep,Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL.From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people around the ring didn't have malefics there.Regards,Michal vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent >sohamsa Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead Dear Ramesh,Exactly! I was wondering the same too!Sundeepsohamsa@ .com, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani" <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote:>> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > > Dear John and Sundeep,> > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in 3rd and 6th> from AL!> > > > > > Best Regards> > Ramesh> > > > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On Behalf Of> John> Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM> sohamsa@ .com> Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead> > > > To All:> > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava chart > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours and > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous.> > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house. > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite of > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess > Champion in history.> > Regards,> > John R.> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com,> Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sundeep,> > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place.> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote:> > Dear all,> > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby Fischer, > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. He > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set of > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly of > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in > dasa > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars yogakaraka. > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52> > > > Sundeep> > > > Quotes/incidents:> > > > "I don't play the old chess," he told reporters when he arrived in > > Iceland in 2005. "But obviously if I did, I would be the best."> > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the > > Soviets "Commie cheats."> > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to crush > > the other man's mind.''> > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than settle > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, which > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first.> > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than on > > intuition> > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the > greatest, > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: "It's nice to be > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It is > > Fischer."> > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when opponents > > began to feel they would lose. "I like to see 'em squirm," he once > > said.> > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life - > > his "running battle with the rest of the human race".> > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in the > > world> > > > "I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine." > > > > "Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it."> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Zoran, I am not sure where you got the sandhi vicched for Parakrama. It can also be Par + aakrama. Par is for others Akrama (the same word is used in Akraman - to attack) is for attack so it can mean attacking others or overpowering over others. Regards Sarajit 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans: > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Michal, > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is something > else > and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word " brave " is inadequate. It is > parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest, krama-movement), so > is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we will move (krama) towards > the battle or not, how we move in society. 6th house is the place where > such movement occurs (4th from 3rd). Therefore, in a way, you may be right > that malefic can cause bad krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but > will it manifest? These are the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and > 6th from > Arudha Lagna, a person is ahimsavadi, etc > Hope this helps... > Best wishes > Zoran > > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.com > jyotish blog at > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > ________________________________ > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Michal Dziwulski > 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01 > sohamsa > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep, > > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL. > > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in 3rd and > 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people around the ring > didn't have malefics there. > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > sohamsa > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > Dear Ramesh, > Exactly! I was wondering the same too! > > Sundeep > > sohamsa@ .com, " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " > <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > Dear John and Sundeep, > > > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in > 3rd and 6th > > from AL! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On > Behalf Of > > John > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM > > sohamsa@ .com > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > > > > > To All: > > > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava > chart > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours > and > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous. > > > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house. > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite > of > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess > > Champion in history. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> .com, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby > Fischer, > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. > He > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set > of > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly > of > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in > > dasa > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars > yogakaraka. > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52 > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > Quotes/incidents: > > > > > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived > in > > > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. " > > > > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the > > > Soviets " Commie cheats. " > > > > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to > crush > > > the other man's mind.'' > > > > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than > settle > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, > which > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first. > > > > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than > on > > > intuition > > > > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the > > greatest, > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to > be > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It > is > > > Fischer. " > > > > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when > opponents > > > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he > once > > > said. > > > > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life - > > > his " running battle with the rest of the human race " . > > > > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in > the > > > world > > > > > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my > medicine. " > > > > > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it > now. > > > > > > -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Sundeep, Jupiter - Mars conjunction or opposition is Guru-mangala yoga, giver of supreme and sharp logic and intelligence. If it happens in the lagna axis or involving the lagna lord, the impact is highest. Best Wishes Sarajit On Jan 22, 2008 3:15 AM, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent wrote: > > > > > Dear John, > > > It is interesting to note that the bhava chart > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours > and > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous. > > > > I dont understand Bhava chart, sorry for my ignorance. If it is read > in a similar way to Rasi, then Jupiter in Lagna and Mars in 7th, > while I know it is some sort of a " mati brahmana " yoga, I doubt if > it really implies insanity in the conventional sense of the word. > For e.g., Sri Ram's chart has the same combination, and so does > Sanjay Rathji (although the Mars isnt exalted). > > Sundeep > > > > -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Om namah Shivaya, Dear Sarajit, Par+ aakrama can indicate something completelly different, particularly in spiritual sense. To answer quickly, Guruji explanation. In a way you are right, That is why I mentioned movement towards a battle or not. He spoke a lot, so I just gave a few points. Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic www.siva-edu.110mb.com jyotish blog at www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sarajit Poddar 22. sijeèanj 2008 0:55 sohamsa Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Zoran, I am not sure where you got the sandhi vicched for Parakrama. It can also be Par + aakrama. Par is for others Akrama (the same word is used in Akraman - to attack) is for attack so it can mean attacking others or overpowering over others. Regards Sarajit 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans: > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Dear Michal, > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is > something else and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word " brave " is > inadequate. It is parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest, > krama-movement), so is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we > will move (krama) towards the battle or not, how we move in society. > 6th house is the place where such movement occurs (4th from 3rd). > Therefore, in a way, you may be right that malefic can cause bad > krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but will it manifest? These are > the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and 6th from Arudha Lagna, > a person is ahimsavadi, etc Hope this helps... > Best wishes > Zoran > > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.com > jyotish blog at > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > ________________________________ > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski > 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01 > sohamsa > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep, > > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL. > > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in > 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people around > the ring didn't have malefics there. > > Regards, > Michal > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > sohamsa > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > Dear Ramesh, > Exactly! I was wondering the same too! > > Sundeep > > sohamsa@ .com, " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " > <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > Dear John and Sundeep, > > > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in > 3rd and 6th > > from AL! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On > Behalf Of > > John > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM > > sohamsa@ .com > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > > > > > To All: > > > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava > chart > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours > and > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous. > > > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house. > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite > of > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess > > Champion in history. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> > > .com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby > Fischer, > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. > He > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set > of > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly > of > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in > > dasa > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars > yogakaraka. > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52 > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > Quotes/incidents: > > > > > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived > in > > > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. " > > > > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets > > > " Commie cheats. " > > > > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to > crush > > > the other man's mind.'' > > > > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than > settle > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, > which > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first. > > > > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than > on > > > intuition > > > > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the > > greatest, > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to > be > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It > is > > > Fischer. " > > > > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when > opponents > > > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he > once > > > said. > > > > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life - his > > > " running battle with the rest of the human race " . > > > > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in > the > > > world > > > > > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my > medicine. " > > > > > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- Looking for last minute > > > shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > it now. > > > > > > -- Best Wishes Sarajit Poddar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Zoran, Thanks for clarifying. I fully agree with your explanation between differences between parakrama seen from the Lagna and the Arudha. Do share other points too. Best Wishes Sarajit 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans: > Om namah Shivaya, > Dear Sarajit, > Par+ aakrama can indicate something completelly different, particularly in > spiritual sense. To answer quickly, Guruji explanation. In a way you are > right, > That is why I mentioned movement towards a battle or not. He spoke a lot, so > I just gave a few points. > Best wishes > Zoran > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > www.siva-edu.110mb.com > > jyotish blog at > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > > Sarajit Poddar > 22. sijeèanj 2008 0:55 > sohamsa > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Zoran, > > I am not sure where you got the sandhi vicched for Parakrama. It can also be > Par + aakrama. Par is for others Akrama (the same word is used in Akraman - > to attack) is for attack so it can mean attacking others or overpowering > over others. > > Regards > Sarajit > > > > 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans: > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Michal, > > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward > > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is > > something else and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word " brave " is > > inadequate. It is parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest, > > krama-movement), so is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we > > will move (krama) towards the battle or not, how we move in society. > > 6th house is the place where such movement occurs (4th from 3rd). > > Therefore, in a way, you may be right that malefic can cause bad > > krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but will it manifest? These are > > the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and 6th from Arudha Lagna, > > a person is ahimsavadi, etc Hope this helps... > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > www.siva-edu.com > > jyotish blog at > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > > > > ________________________________ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On > > Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski > > 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01 > > sohamsa > > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep, > > > > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL. > > > > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in > > 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people around > > the ring didn't have malefics there. > > > > Regards, > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > > sohamsa > > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > Exactly! I was wondering the same too! > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa@ .com, " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " > > <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear John and Sundeep, > > > > > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in > > 3rd and 6th > > > from AL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com] On > > Behalf Of > > > John > > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > > > > > > > > > > > To All: > > > > > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up > > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava > > chart > > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house. > > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours > > and > > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous. > > > > > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house. > > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were > > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school > > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his > > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite > > of > > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess > > > Champion in history. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com> > > > .com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > > > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby > > Fischer, > > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived. > > He > > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set > > of > > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly > > of > > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his > > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in > > > dasa > > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars > > yogakaraka. > > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943, > > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52 > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > Quotes/incidents: > > > > > > > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived > > in > > > > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. " > > > > > > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets > > > > " Commie cheats. " > > > > > > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to > > crush > > > > the other man's mind.'' > > > > > > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many > > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than > > settle > > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces, > > which > > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first. > > > > > > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic, > > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than > > on > > > > intuition > > > > > > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the > > > greatest, > > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to > > be > > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It > > is > > > > Fischer. " > > > > > > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when > > opponents > > > > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he > > once > > > > said. > > > > > > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life - his > > > > " running battle with the rest of the human race " . > > > > > > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could > > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in > > the > > > > world > > > > > > > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my > > medicine. " > > > > > > > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- Looking for last minute > > > > shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > > it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best Wishes > Sarajit Poddar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sarajit, and Zoran, CAn you please elaborate more on this for our info. Also can you use some examples from your charts,etc "As I understand 3rd house is the house of supreme knowledge (7th -Shiva) from the 9th house and hence has to be the house ofGuru-upadesha. You explanation adds yet another perspective." With regards LakshmiSarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar wrote: || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Zoran,It is always nice to get into such discussions. I do remember the olddiscussions with Guruji and the old students and I miss them too :-).Jyotish is such as subject which is never ending. It helps us keepexploring the unrevealed aspects of our existence and our relationwith the supreme consciousness and hence it is always enjoyable.3rd house does represent movement and hence it is the house ofcommunication and naturally ruled by Mercury and has Karaka as Marsand it is the 1st house of the four upachayas representing growth.Growth can only happen with movement. Something which is stable cannotgrow. So I do agree with what you say.3rd house is also the house where all the desires originate as it isfirst house among the houses of the kama trikona and 11th is the housewhere all the desires are fulfilled and the objectives are achievedand that is why the next house of 11th is 12th, the house ofliberation. When all desires are relinquished, then only one canattain liberation (from what? .. Desires). So more effort for growthmeans that the bondage with the material world is getting evenstronger until all the desires are relinquished and we attain mokshaas Gautama Buddha said. Hence the 11th house is also called the houseof Hara. Without Hara (loss of all desires), liberation (12th house)cannot follow.You mentioned a nice point about the sign in the 3rd house. So aPiscean native will desire for food and family. Thats quite logical.This gives an idea of various kinds of desires natives of variouslagna would be having. I am sure it will be considerably modified bythe planets placed there in.As I understand 3rd house is the house of supreme knowledge (7th -Shiva) from the 9th house and hence has to be the house ofGuru-upadesha. You explanation adds yet another perspective.Best WishesSarajit2008/1/22 Zr :> Om Namah Shivaya,> Dear Sarajit,> Nice to talk to you after a long time. It makes me feel younger (remember> the days> Many years back when we used to discuss jyotish daily on the lists with> Guruji) Any way> Here are some points.> The outer manifestation of "bravery:" should be seen then from Arudha Lagna.> 3rd bhava is movement towards our goal which reflects in the 11th houses of> hopes and realization.> This house shows what we have to conquer. For example Meena Lagna has taurus> in 3rd house, which> Rules food and family. So once they conquer such desires, they become the> rishi (Meena is the signs> Of rishis), So the 3rd house shows the movement, and desires of movement> (7th from 3rd) leads to> The 9th house of Guru, that is the other meaning of the word parakrama you> stated with long "a" That is> One of the reasons that 3rd house rules guru upadesha. I think you> understand this concept, otherwise> I cannot go more right now, since it will take a few pages...> Best wishes> Zoran>>> Zoran Radosavljevic> www.siva-edu.110mb.com>> jyotish blog at> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com>> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Sarajit Poddar> 22. sijeèanj 2008 2:57> sohamsa > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead>> || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear Zoran,>> Thanks for clarifying. I fully agree with your explanation between> differences between parakrama seen from the Lagna and the Arudha. Do share> other points too.>> Best Wishes> Sarajit>> 2008/1/22 Zr :> > Om namah Shivaya,> > Dear Sarajit,> > Par+ aakrama can indicate something completelly different,> > Par+ particularly in>> > spiritual sense. To answer quickly, Guruji explanation. In a way you> > are right, That is why I mentioned movement towards a battle or not.> > He spoke a lot, so I just gave a few points.> > Best wishes> > Zoran> >> >> > Zoran Radosavljevic> > www.siva-edu.110mb.com> >> > jyotish blog at> > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> >> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> > Behalf Of> >> > Sarajit Poddar> > 22. sijeèanj 2008 0:55> > sohamsa > > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead> >> > || Jaya Jagannath ||> > Dear Zoran,> >> > I am not sure where you got the sandhi vicched for Parakrama. It can> > also be Par + aakrama. Par is for others Akrama (the same word is used> > in Akraman - to attack) is for attack so it can mean attacking others> > or overpowering over others.> >> > Regards> > Sarajit> >> >> >> > 2008/1/22 Zr :> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > Dear Michal,> > > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward> > > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is> > > something else and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word" brave" is> > > inadequate. It is parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest,> > > krama-movement), so is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we> > > will move (krama) towards the battle or not, how we move in society.> > > 6th house is the place where such movement occurs (4th from 3rd).> > > Therefore, in a way, you may be right that malefic can cause bad> > > krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but will it manifest? These> > > are the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and 6th from Arudha> > > Lagna, a person is ahimsavadi, etc Hope this helps...> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran> > >> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > www.siva-edu.com> > > jyotish blog at> > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > >> > > ________________________________> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> > > Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski> > > 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01> > > sohamsa > > > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > >> > > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep,> > >> > > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL.> > >> > > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in> > > 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people> > > around the ring didn't have malefics there.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Michal> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > vedicastrostudent > > > sohamsa > > > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM> > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Ramesh,> > > Exactly! I was wondering the same too!> > >> > > Sundeep> > >> > > sohamsa@ .com, "Ramesh F. Gangaramani"> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear John and Sundeep,> > > >> > > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in> > > 3rd and 6th> > > > from AL!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Best Regards> > > >> > > > Ramesh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _____> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com]> > > > On> > > Behalf Of> > > > John> > > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM> > > > sohamsa@ .com> > > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > To All:> > > >> > > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up> > > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava> > > chart> > > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house.> > > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered> > > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours> > > and> > > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous.> > > >> > > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house.> > > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were> > > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school> > > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his> > > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite> > > of> > > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess> > > > Champion in history.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > John R.> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ > > > > .com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sundeep,> > > > >> > > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > > vedicastrostudent wrote:> > > > > Dear all,> > > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby> > > Fischer,> > > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived.> > > He> > > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set> > > of> > > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly> > > of> > > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his> > > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in> > > > dasa> > > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars> > > yogakaraka.> > > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943,> > > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52> > > > >> > > > > Sundeep> > > > >> > > > > Quotes/incidents:> > > > >> > > > > "I don't play the old chess," he told reporters when he arrived> > > in> > > > > Iceland in 2005. "But obviously if I did, I would be the best."> > > > >> > > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets> > > > > "Commie cheats."> > > > >> > > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to> > > crush> > > > > the other man's mind.''> > > > >> > > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many> > > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than> > > settle> > > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces,> > > which> > > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first.> > > > >> > > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic,> > > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than> > > on> > > > > intuition> > > > >> > > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the> > > > greatest,> > > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: "It's nice to> > > be> > > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It> > > is> > > > > Fischer."> > > > >> > > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when> > > opponents> > > > > began to feel they would lose. "I like to see 'em squirm," he> > > once> > > > > said.> > > > >> > > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life -> > > > > his "running battle with the rest of the human race".> > > > >> > > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could> > > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in> > > the> > > > > world> > > > >> > > > > "I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my> > > medicine."> > > > >> > > > > "Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it."> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- Looking for last minute> > > > > shopping deals? Find them fast with> > > > > > > Search.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > > Try it now.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > --> > Best Wishes> > Sarajit Poddar> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Dear All, Thank you for a very interesting discussion. I would like to ask a very basic question. What made Fisher a genius? The chart overall is very strong and a great success can be predicted. I see a lot of factors pointing to mental problems: both Mercury and Moon are tightly afflicted by malefics; 5th house is affected as well. But what gave him IQ of 180? Thank you, Leonid On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 4:49 PM, supriti108 <supriti108 wrote: |OM GURAVE NAMAH|Dear Soul Sadhak and Rafal,From personal experience, benefics in 3rd and 6th from AL do showcourage. It shows a non-aggressive way of standing by the truth. Ittakes more courage to fight for the truth and face the consequences than to aggressively take what you can.Malefics in 3rd and 6th from AL make people outwardly bold. Forexample, I have seen this combination in colleagues who argue for araise and promotion openly. While, they may be right in their stand, they normally do not mind pushing down the competition to get ahead.Two cents from someone who has Ju and Ve in 6th from AL.RegardsSupriti sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote:>> Interesting is to see 3rd and 6th from AL for Mahatma Gandhi who led > the Satyagraha movement, propounding Ahimsa (non-violence) and > courageously stood for his country until death.> > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > >> > *hare rama krsna*> > > > Dear Members , Namaskar> > > > There are also other points like:> > 3 from Karakamsa shows if person will fight for truth. > > > > Also its very interesting that classics sometimes indicate that > benefics > > shows courage. Any ideas?> > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@> > SkypeID: jyotraff1> > Consultations & Articles: http://rohinaa.com> > > > Zr napisa³(a):> > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya,> > > Dear Michal,> > > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward> > > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is > > > something else> > > and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word " brave " is inadequate. > It is> > > parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest, krama-movement), so > > > is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we will move (krama) > towards> > > the battle or not, how we move in society. 6th house is the place > where> > > such movement occurs (4th from 3rd). Therefore, in a way, you may > be right> > > that malefic can cause bad krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, > but> > > will it manifest? These are the separte issues. If benefics are > in 3rd > > > and 6th from > > > Arudha Lagna, a person is ahimsavadi, etc> > > Hope this helps...> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran> > >> > > Zoran Radosavljevic> > > www.siva-edu.com > > > jyotish blog at> > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> > >> > > > > >> > > ------------------------- > ------> > > ** sohamsa [sohamsa ] > *On > > > Behalf Of *Michal Dziwulski> > > *Sent:* 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01> > > *To:* sohamsa > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > >> > > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep,> > >> > > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL.> > > > > > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics > in > > > 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people > around > > > the ring didn't have malefics there. > > >> > > Regards,> > > Michal> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@> > > > sohamsa > > > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM> > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead > > >> > > Dear Ramesh,> > > Exactly! I was wondering the same too!> > >> > > Sundeep> > >> > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > 40>, > > > " Ramesh F. Gangaramani " > > > <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear John and Sundeep,> > > >> > > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in > > > 3rd and 6th> > > > from AL!> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Best Regards> > > > > > > > Ramesh> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _____> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> 40> > > > [sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > 40>] On> > > Behalf Of> > > > John> > > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40> > > > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > To All:> > > >> > > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came > up> > > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava> > > chart> > > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house.> > > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered > > > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours> > > and> > > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous.> > > >> > > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th > house.> > > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career > were> > > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of > school> > > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his > > > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in > spite> > > of> > > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World > Chess> > > > Champion in history. > > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > John R.> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. > com> .com,> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sundeep,> > > > > > > > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby> > > Fischer,> > > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever > lived.> > > He> > > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set> > > of> > > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me > strikingly> > > of> > > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his> > > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 > in > > > > dasa> > > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars> > > yogakaraka.> > > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, > 1943,> > > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52> > > > >> > > > > Sundeep> > > > >> > > > > Quotes/incidents:> > > > > > > > > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he > arrived> > > in> > > > > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the > best. " > > > > >> > > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the> > > > > Soviets " Commie cheats. " > > > > > > > > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to> > > crush> > > > > the other man's mind.''> > > > >> > > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike > many> > > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than> > > settle> > > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces,> > > which > > > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first.> > > > >> > > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical > logic,> > > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than > > > on> > > > > intuition> > > > >> > > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the> > > > greatest,> > > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice > to> > > be> > > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It> > > is> > > > > Fischer. " > > > > >> > > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when > > > opponents> > > > > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he> > > once> > > > > said.> > > > >> > > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life - > > > > > his " running battle with the rest of the human race " .> > > > >> > > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could> > > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in > > > the> > > > > world> > > > >> > > > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my> > > medicine. " > > > > > > > > > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of > it. " > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with> > > > > > > Search.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -------------------------> ------ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. 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