RE: [SUSPECTED SPAM] RE: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

[Guest guest]

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Zoran,

 

It is always nice to get into such discussions. I do remember the old

discussions with Guruji and the old students and I miss them too :-).

Jyotish is such as subject which is never ending. It helps us keep

exploring the unrevealed aspects of our existence and our relation

with the supreme consciousness and hence it is always enjoyable.

 

3rd house does represent movement and hence it is the house of

communication and naturally ruled by Mercury and has Karaka as Mars

and it is the 1st house of the four upachayas representing growth.

Growth can only happen with movement. Something which is stable cannot

grow. So I do agree with what you say.

 

3rd house is also the house where all the desires originate as it is

first house among the houses of the kama trikona and 11th is the house

where all the desires are fulfilled and the objectives are achieved

and that is why the next house of 11th is 12th, the house of

liberation. When all desires are relinquished, then only one can

attain liberation (from what? .. Desires). So more effort for growth

means that the bondage with the material world is getting even

stronger until all the desires are relinquished and we attain moksha

as Gautama Buddha said. Hence the 11th house is also called the house

of Hara. Without Hara (loss of all desires), liberation (12th house)

cannot follow.

 

You mentioned a nice point about the sign in the 3rd house. So a

Piscean native will desire for food and family. Thats quite logical.

This gives an idea of various kinds of desires natives of various

lagna would be having. I am sure it will be considerably modified by

the planets placed there in.

 

As I understand 3rd house is the house of supreme knowledge (7th -

Shiva) from the 9th house and hence has to be the house of

Guru-upadesha. You explanation adds yet another perspective.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans:

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Dear Sarajit,

> Nice to talk to you after a long time. It makes me feel younger (remember

> the days

> Many years back when we used to discuss jyotish daily on the lists with

> Guruji) Any way

> Here are some points.

> The outer manifestation of " bravery: " should be seen then from Arudha Lagna.

> 3rd bhava is movement towards our goal which reflects in the 11th houses of

> hopes and realization.

> This house shows what we have to conquer. For example Meena Lagna has taurus

> in 3rd house, which

> Rules food and family. So once they conquer such desires, they become the

> rishi (Meena is the signs

> Of rishis), So the 3rd house shows the movement, and desires of movement

> (7th from 3rd) leads to

> The 9th house of Guru, that is the other meaning of the word parakrama you

> stated with long " a " That is

> One of the reasons that 3rd house rules guru upadesha. I think you

> understand this concept, otherwise

> I cannot go more right now, since it will take a few pages...

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

>

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.110mb.com

>

> jyotish blog at

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> Sarajit Poddar

> 22. sijeèanj 2008 2:57

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

>

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Zoran,

>

> Thanks for clarifying. I fully agree with your explanation between

> differences between parakrama seen from the Lagna and the Arudha. Do share

> other points too.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

> 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans:

> > Om namah Shivaya,

> > Dear Sarajit,

> > Par+ aakrama can indicate something completelly different,

> > Par+ particularly in

>

> > spiritual sense. To answer quickly, Guruji explanation. In a way you

> > are right, That is why I mentioned movement towards a battle or not.

> > He spoke a lot, so I just gave a few points.

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> >

> >

> > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > www.siva-edu.110mb.com

> >

> > jyotish blog at

> > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> >

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> > Behalf Of

> >

> > Sarajit Poddar

> > 22. sijeèanj 2008 0:55

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> >

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Zoran,

> >

> > I am not sure where you got the sandhi vicched for Parakrama. It can

> > also be Par + aakrama. Par is for others Akrama (the same word is used

> > in Akraman - to attack) is for attack so it can mean attacking others

> > or overpowering over others.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> >

> > 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > Dear Michal,

> > > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward

> > > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is

> > > something else and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word " brave " is

> > > inadequate. It is parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest,

> > > krama-movement), so is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we

> > > will move (krama) towards the battle or not, how we move in society.

> > > 6th house is the place where such movement occurs (4th from 3rd).

> > > Therefore, in a way, you may be right that malefic can cause bad

> > > krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but will it manifest? These

> > > are the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and 6th from Arudha

> > > Lagna, a person is ahimsavadi, etc Hope this helps...

> > > Best wishes

> > > Zoran

> > >

> > > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > www.siva-edu.com

> > > jyotish blog at

> > > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> > > Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski

> > > 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep,

> > >

> > > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL.

> > >

> > > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in

> > > 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people

> > > around the ring didn't have malefics there.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Michal

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent

> > > sohamsa

> > > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM

> > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ramesh,

> > > Exactly! I was wondering the same too!

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com, " Ramesh F. Gangaramani "

> > > <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear John and Sundeep,

> > > >

> > > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in

> > > 3rd and 6th

> > > > from AL!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards

> > > >

> > > > Ramesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com]

> > > > On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > > John

> > > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM

> > > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To All:

> > > >

> > > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up

> > > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava

> > > chart

> > > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house.

> > > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered

> > > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours

> > > and

> > > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous.

> > > >

> > > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house.

> > > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were

> > > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school

> > > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his

> > > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite

> > > of

> > > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess

> > > > Champion in history.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > John R.

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > > .com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote:

> > > > > Dear all,

> > > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby

> > > Fischer,

> > > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived.

> > > He

> > > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set

> > > of

> > > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly

> > > of

> > > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his

> > > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in

> > > > dasa

> > > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars

> > > yogakaraka.

> > > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943,

> > > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52

> > > > >

> > > > > Sundeep

> > > > >

> > > > > Quotes/incidents:

> > > > >

> > > > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived

> > > in

> > > > > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. "

> > > > >

> > > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets

> > > > > " Commie cheats. "

> > > > >

> > > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to

> > > crush

> > > > > the other man's mind.''

> > > > >

> > > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many

> > > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than

> > > settle

> > > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces,

> > > which

> > > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first.

> > > > >

> > > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic,

> > > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than

> > > on

> > > > > intuition

> > > > >

> > > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the

> > > > greatest,

> > > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to

> > > be

> > > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It

> > > is

> > > > > Fischer. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when

> > > opponents

> > > > > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he

> > > once

> > > > > said.

> > > > >

> > > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life -

> > > > > his " running battle with the rest of the human race " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could

> > > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in

> > > the

> > > > > world

> > > > >

> > > > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my

> > > medicine. "

> > > > >

> > > > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > >

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> > > Try it now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Best Wishes

> > Sarajit Poddar

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Zoran,

Thank you for explaining the concept well. Now the question is whether there

is manifestation of aggression in case of sports personalities like Bobby

and Ali? Should they be having malifics in 3/6 from AL? I am not sure if

just the talent (no aggression) is good enough to win in the kind of

competitive environment that we have in sports today.

Best Regards

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

Zr

Monday, January 21, 2008 9:13 PM

sohamsa

[sUSPECTED SPAM] RE: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Sarajit,

Nice to talk to you after a long time. It makes me feel younger (remember

the days

Many years back when we used to discuss jyotish daily on the lists with

Guruji) Any way

Here are some points.

The outer manifestation of " bravery: " should be seen then from Arudha Lagna.

3rd bhava is movement towards our goal which reflects in the 11th houses of

hopes and realization.

This house shows what we have to conquer. For example Meena Lagna has taurus

in 3rd house, which

Rules food and family. So once they conquer such desires, they become the

rishi (Meena is the signs

Of rishis), So the 3rd house shows the movement, and desires of movement

(7th from 3rd) leads to

The 9th house of Guru, that is the other meaning of the word parakrama you

stated with long " a " That is

One of the reasons that 3rd house rules guru upadesha. I think you

understand this concept, otherwise

I cannot go more right now, since it will take a few pages...

Best wishes

Zoran

 

 

Zoran Radosavljevic

www.siva-edu.110mb.com

 

jyotish blog at

www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

Sarajit Poddar

22. sijeèanj 2008 2:57

sohamsa

Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Zoran,

 

Thanks for clarifying. I fully agree with your explanation between

differences between parakrama seen from the Lagna and the Arudha. Do share

other points too.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans:

> Om namah Shivaya,

> Dear Sarajit,

> Par+ aakrama can indicate something completelly different,

> Par+ particularly in

> spiritual sense. To answer quickly, Guruji explanation. In a way you

> are right, That is why I mentioned movement towards a battle or not.

> He spoke a lot, so I just gave a few points.

> Best wishes

> Zoran

>

>

> Zoran Radosavljevic

> www.siva-edu.110mb.com

>

> jyotish blog at

> www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of

>

> Sarajit Poddar

> 22. sijeèanj 2008 0:55

> sohamsa

> Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

>

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Zoran,

>

> I am not sure where you got the sandhi vicched for Parakrama. It can

> also be Par + aakrama. Par is for others Akrama (the same word is used

> in Akraman - to attack) is for attack so it can mean attacking others

> or overpowering over others.

>

> Regards

> Sarajit

>

>

>

> 2008/1/22 Zr <ahimsans:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > Dear Michal,

> > Malefics in 3/6 from Lagna, make one brave within. Outward

> > manifestation of bravery which can be perceived as agression is

> > something else and is not seen from Lagna. Even this word " brave " is

> > inadequate. It is parakrama (roughly translated as para-highest,

> > krama-movement), so is it a bravery? 3rd house decideds whether we

> > will move (krama) towards the battle or not, how we move in society.

> > 6th house is the place where such movement occurs (4th from 3rd).

> > Therefore, in a way, you may be right that malefic can cause bad

> > krama, and cause aggressive behaviour, but will it manifest? These

> > are the separte issues. If benefics are in 3rd and 6th from Arudha

> > Lagna, a person is ahimsavadi, etc Hope this helps...

> > Best wishes

> > Zoran

> >

> > Zoran Radosavljevic

> > www.siva-edu.com

> > jyotish blog at

> > www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com

> >

> > ________________________________

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> > Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski

> > 21. sijeèanj 2008 23:01

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Ramesh and Sundeep,

> >

> > Did he ever marry? Exalted Venus is in the 6th from AL.

> >

> > From what I read Fischer wasn't that aggressive, so why malefics in

> > 3rd and 6th? Even Ali who was a professional at belting people

> > around the ring didn't have malefics there.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Michal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent

> > sohamsa

> > Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:17:33 AM

> > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ramesh,

> > Exactly! I was wondering the same too!

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com, " Ramesh F. Gangaramani "

> > <rgangaramani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear John and Sundeep,

> > >

> > > For such an aggressive person I would have expected malefics in

> > 3rd and 6th

> > > from AL!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > >

> > > Ramesh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa@ .com]

> > > On

> > Behalf Of

> > > John

> > > Monday, January 21, 2008 2:28 AM

> > > sohamsa@ .com

> > > Re: Bobby Fischer, Mr. Mars, is dead

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To All:

> > >

> > > I used daylight savings time for Fischer's chart and still came up

> > > with a Cancer lagna. It is interesting to note that the bhava

> > chart

> > > shows Jupiter in the lagna and an exalted Mars in the 7th house.

> > > This configuration shows that Mr. Fischer could be considered

> > > insane. This could explain the reason for his bizarre behaviours

> > and

> > > proclivity towards being a recluse and anonymous.

> > >

> > > Also, note that Mars is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th house.

> > > Thus, the 5th house of education and the 10th house of career were

> > > negatively affected. In actual life, Fischer dropped out of school

> > > while in high school to concentrate his studies in chess. In his

> > > professional life, he did not reap much career stability in spite

> > of

> > > gaining world recognition for being the only American World Chess

> > > Champion in history.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > John R.

> > >

> > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa% 40. com>

> > > .com, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > >

> > > > I think war time is applicable to that time and place.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote:

> > > > Dear all,

> > > > Those of you interested in chess must have heard of Bobby

> > Fischer,

> > > > who many think was the greatest chess player to have ever lived.

> > He

> > > > died a few days ago, so is in the news again. The attached set

> > of

> > > > quotes/incidents (see below) from his life remind me strikingly

> > of

> > > > the discussion just concluded on the nature of Mars. And his

> > > > birthtime really confirms it - Mars exalted/own sign in 6/10 in

> > > dasa

> > > > varga, exalted in 7th in D-1, Cancer ascendant - Mars

> > yogakaraka.

> > > > See for yourself (unless I have the wrong time): March 9, 1943,

> > > > 14:39, GMT-6:00, 87W39, 41N52

> > > >

> > > > Sundeep

> > > >

> > > > Quotes/incidents:

> > > >

> > > > " I don't play the old chess, " he told reporters when he arrived

> > in

> > > > Iceland in 2005. " But obviously if I did, I would be the best. "

> > > >

> > > > He was convinced of his own superiority and called the Soviets

> > > > " Commie cheats. "

> > > >

> > > > ``Chess is war on a board,'' he once said. ``The object is to

> > crush

> > > > the other man's mind.''

> > > >

> > > > Fischer's style of play was often hyper-aggressive. Unlike many

> > > > grandmasters, he always strived to win each game rather than

> > settle

> > > > for a draw - even when he was playing with the black pieces,

> > which

> > > > are at a disadvantage as white moves first.

> > > >

> > > > He acquired a reputation for relying on pure mathematical logic,

> > > > calculating as many positions as humanly possible, rather than

> > on

> > > > intuition

> > > >

> > > > Debate has always raged in chess circles about who was the

> > > greatest,

> > > > but Fischer himself was in no doubt. He once said: " It's nice to

> > be

> > > > modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It

> > is

> > > > Fischer. "

> > > >

> > > > Fischer told interviewers his favourite moment was when

> > opponents

> > > > began to feel they would lose. " I like to see 'em squirm, " he

> > once

> > > > said.

> > > >

> > > > One commentator said there was one constant through his life -

> > > > his " running battle with the rest of the human race " .

> > > >

> > > > Fischer morphed into a prisoner of his 180 IQ, a man who could

> > > > outthink anyone on earth, but could never really get along in

> > the

> > > > world

> > > >

> > > > " I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my

> > medicine. "

> > > >

> > > > " Don't even mention losing to me. I can't stand to think of it. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- Looking for last minute

> > > > shopping deals? Find them fast with

> >

> > > Search.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit Poddar

>

>

>

>