Questions on Bandhana Yoga and Curses

June 23, 2008

Dear List members,

I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the planetary patterns

would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about bandhana yoga. The

chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and Rahu in the 11th.

My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga, and the native

should experience some form of bondage or restriction of freedom at

some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily from the ascendant

or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be affected.

With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two. Mercury

conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from Cancer would be

one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct Ketu and

aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn. Here my

question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted functional benefic

(5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx. 4:15 am. at

Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

Raja

June 24, 2008

Hari Om Tat Sat

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Raja,

Namaste

Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only that half

of your question for now.

O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When you are

judging curses first and very important step is a fact that malefic

is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th or 8th bhava,

it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you get really

enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in one's life,

then you take all that shades in consideration. So, roughly

speaking, when you are about to determine " diagnosis " , malefic is

always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take this shortcut:

Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here from " higher to

lower " benefic (sorry for limitation of my English skills right now,

I do hope you understand basic point in phrase " higher to lower " if

there is another more suitable phrase which I can not remember at

this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this list, in this

chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy by all

means).

Hope that this was of some help.

Best regards,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa , " rajaperry " <rajaperry wrote:

>

> Dear List members,

>

> I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the planetary

patterns

> would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about bandhana yoga.

The

> chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and Rahu in the

11th.

> My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga, and the

native

> should experience some form of bondage or restriction of freedom

at

> some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily from the

ascendant

> or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be affected.

>

> With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two. Mercury

> conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from Cancer

would be

> one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct Ketu and

> aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn. Here my

> question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted functional

benefic

> (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

>

> Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx. 4:15 am. at

> Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

>

> Raja

>

June 24, 2008

kleem namah narasimhaaya

Dear Maja, Namaskar

Guru forms the main curse as its Atmakaraka giving problem in maritial

harmony, studies, father and rules in life.

Hopefully its not in sthira rasi in d1 nor d9. 2009 to 2050 is the time

when curse will be seen in life. It will begin when native will take

bad advice or in kumbha dasas will take the revengful mood. Main of

these sa/ra/ke/ma are in 3/6 from AL/7 from AL which shows that the

native WILL START the curse.

As Gu sits in 7 from 11 and Ma sits in 7 from 8 this will generally

gives personal/buisness/people problem in life.

Remedy lies of course in worshiping Omkara Jyotirlinga.

ps. 6L with 8L with exalted Shukra is beatiful raja yoga in 2 from AL

(Kum) aspecting 11 from AL - strong dhanayoga but first native must

give to the world (2 from Su) and the dharma is totally related to

finances (5L from Su in 2H). If Kanya forms Nav Lag then person is

totally focused on career.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC

Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com /

email:

rafal

majastrbacastro pisze:

Hari Om Tat Sat

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Raja,

Namaste

Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only that half

of your question for now.

O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When you are

judging curses first and very important step is a fact that malefic

is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th or 8th bhava,

it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you get really

enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in one's life,

then you take all that shades in consideration. So, roughly

speaking, when you are about to determine "diagnosis", malefic is

always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take this shortcut:

Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here from "higher to

lower" benefic (sorry for limitation of my English skills right now,

I do hope you understand basic point in phrase "higher to lower" if

there is another more suitable phrase which I can not remember at

this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this list, in this

chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy by all

means).

Hope that this was of some help.

Best regards,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa ,

"rajaperry" <rajaperry wrote:

>

> Dear List members,

>

> I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the planetary

patterns

> would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about bandhana yoga.

The

> chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and Rahu in the

11th.

> My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga, and the

native

> should experience some form of bondage or restriction of freedom

at

> some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily from the

ascendant

> or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be affected.

>

> With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two. Mercury

> conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from Cancer

would be

> one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct Ketu and

> aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn. Here my

> question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted functional

benefic

> (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

>

> Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx. 4:15 am. at

> Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

>

> Raja

>

June 24, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rafal Ji,

Namaste

1. If by any chance this person was asking for your advice directly

on a personal reading, would you be completely honest to tell her

that this curse would give its effects from 2009.-2050? (This is

ethical question, of course, I am very curious to read your reply)

2. Why 2009.-2050?

3. When I wrote " Lagnesh and AK, not easy by all means " for a moment

I felt that unpleasant " powerless " feeling I don't like. Partially

because I can not give advice about suitable remedy due to lack of

knowledge, partially because this curse is AK level which means that

Jyotishi is powerless to help here too much. Giving remedy in this

case would only ease the pain a little bit and I think that

unfortunately this is maximum limit of our abilities in such curses.

Do you think that chanting Ishta Devata mantra would help here (Ak

and Lagnesh cursed)?

Maybe if this girl would be willing to change her life from its very

roots, that could be very helpful. Finding Diksha Guru and diverting

her life from material direction more to spirituality (Guru Curse,

also Bhava karaka for 5th). In any case I would advice her to stay

away from alcohol (Sani involved, this is after all Lagnesh cursed

so alcohol would give extremely bad moves) and to stay away from

narcotics (Rahu).

It would be really nice if she could only accomplish motherhood in

her life. That would also be a good " remedy " .

Respectfully,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja, Namaskar

>

> Guru forms the main curse as its Atmakaraka giving problem in

maritial

> harmony, studies, father and rules in life.

>

> Hopefully its not in sthira rasi in d1 nor d9. 2009 to 2050 is the

time

> when curse will be seen in life. It will begin when native will

take bad

> advice or in kumbha dasas will take the revengful mood. Main of

these

> sa/ra/ke/ma are in 3/6 from AL/7 from AL which shows that the

native

> WILL START the curse.

>

> As Gu sits in 7 from 11 and Ma sits in 7 from 8 this will

generally

> gives personal/buisness/people problem in life.

>

> Remedy lies of course in worshiping Omkara Jyotirlinga.

>

> ps. 6L with 8L with exalted Shukra is beatiful raja yoga in 2 from

AL

> (Kum) aspecting 11 from AL - strong dhanayoga but first native

must give

> to the world (2 from Su) and the dharma is totally related to

finances

> (5L from Su in 2H). If Kanya forms Nav Lag then person is totally

> focused on career.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

>

> majastrbacastro pisze:

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Raja,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only that

half

> > of your question for now.

> >

> > O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When you are

> > judging curses first and very important step is a fact that

malefic

> > is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th or 8th

bhava,

> > it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you get

really

> > enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in one's

life,

> > then you take all that shades in consideration. So, roughly

> > speaking, when you are about to determine " diagnosis " , malefic is

> > always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

> >

> > When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take this

shortcut:

> > Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here from " higher to

> > lower " benefic (sorry for limitation of my English skills right

now,

> > I do hope you understand basic point in phrase " higher to lower "

if

> > there is another more suitable phrase which I can not remember at

> > this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this list, in

this

> > chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy by all

> > means).

> >

> > Hope that this was of some help.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > " rajaperry " <rajaperry@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear List members,

> > >

> > > I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the planetary

> > patterns

> > > would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about bandhana

yoga.

> > The

> > > chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and Rahu in

the

> > 11th.

> > > My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga, and the

> > native

> > > should experience some form of bondage or restriction of

freedom

> > at

> > > some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily from the

> > ascendant

> > > or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be affected.

> > >

> > > With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two.

Mercury

> > > conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from Cancer

> > would be

> > > one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct Ketu

and

> > > aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn. Here my

> > > question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted functional

> > benefic

> > > (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

> > >

> > > Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx. 4:15 am.

at

> > > Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

> > >

> > > Raja

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2008

kleem namah narasimhaaya

Dear Maja , Namaskar

1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy and at the

same time to maintain the positive decorum.

2. Moola dasa

3. Curse of AK is remedied by Jyotirlinga, if its in other sign than

Sthira then its not drdha and Jyotishi can guide the native towards

correction of the curse. If its little bit or a complete remove - that

depends on native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice.

4. Yes, Ishta deva is the remedy for all soul doshas.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC

Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com /

email:

rafal

majastrbacastro pisze:

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rafal Ji,

Namaste

1. If by any chance this person was asking for your advice directly

on a personal reading, would you be completely honest to tell her

that this curse would give its effects from 2009.-2050? (This is

ethical question, of course, I am very curious to read your reply)

2. Why 2009.-2050?

3. When I wrote "Lagnesh and AK, not easy by all means" for a moment

I felt that unpleasant "powerless" feeling I don't like. Partially

because I can not give advice about suitable remedy due to lack of

knowledge, partially because this curse is AK level which means that

Jyotishi is powerless to help here too much. Giving remedy in this

case would only ease the pain a little bit and I think that

unfortunately this is maximum limit of our abilities in such curses.

Do you think that chanting Ishta Devata mantra would help here (Ak

and Lagnesh cursed)?

Maybe if this girl would be willing to change her life from its very

roots, that could be very helpful. Finding Diksha Guru and diverting

her life from material direction more to spirituality (Guru Curse,

also Bhava karaka for 5th). In any case I would advice her to stay

away from alcohol (Sani involved, this is after all Lagnesh cursed

so alcohol would give extremely bad moves) and to stay away from

narcotics (Rahu).

It would be really nice if she could only accomplish motherhood in

her life. That would also be a good "remedy".

Respectfully,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja, Namaskar

>

> Guru forms the main curse as its Atmakaraka giving problem in

maritial

> harmony, studies, father and rules in life.

>

> Hopefully its not in sthira rasi in d1 nor d9. 2009 to 2050 is the

time

> when curse will be seen in life. It will begin when native will

take bad

> advice or in kumbha dasas will take the revengful mood. Main of

these

> sa/ra/ke/ma are in 3/6 from AL/7 from AL which shows that the

native

> WILL START the curse.

>

> As Gu sits in 7 from 11 and Ma sits in 7 from 8 this will

generally

> gives personal/buisness/people problem in life.

>

> Remedy lies of course in worshiping Omkara Jyotirlinga.

>

> ps. 6L with 8L with exalted Shukra is beatiful raja yoga in 2 from

AL

> (Kum) aspecting 11 from AL - strong dhanayoga but first native

must give

> to the world (2 from Su) and the dharma is totally related to

finances

> (5L from Su in 2H). If Kanya forms Nav Lag then person is totally

> focused on career.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com

/ email: rafal

>

> majastrbacastro pisze:

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Raja,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only that

half

> > of your question for now.

> >

> > O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When you

are

> > judging curses first and very important step is a fact that

malefic

> > is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th or 8th

bhava,

> > it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you get

really

> > enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in one's

life,

> > then you take all that shades in consideration. So, roughly

> > speaking, when you are about to determine "diagnosis",

malefic is

> > always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

> >

> > When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take this

shortcut:

> > Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here from

"higher to

> > lower" benefic (sorry for limitation of my English skills

right

now,

> > I do hope you understand basic point in phrase "higher to

lower"

if

> > there is another more suitable phrase which I can not

remember at

> > this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this list, in

this

> > chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy by all

> > means).

> >

> > Hope that this was of some help.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > "rajaperry" <rajaperry@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear List members,

> > >

> > > I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the

planetary

> > patterns

> > > would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about

bandhana

yoga.

> > The

> > > chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and

Rahu in

the

> > 11th.

> > > My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga,

and the

> > native

> > > should experience some form of bondage or restriction of

freedom

> > at

> > > some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily

from the

> > ascendant

> > > or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be

affected.

> > >

> > > With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two.

Mercury

> > > conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from

Cancer

> > would be

> > > one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct

Ketu

and

> > > aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn.

Here my

> > > question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted

functional

> > benefic

> > > (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

> > >

> > > Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx.

4:15 am.

at

> > > Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

> > >

> > > Raja

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rafal Ji,

Namaste

1. I could not agree more with what you have wrote down there over

this ethical issue. But I am still asking you: would you really add

that inconvenient truth-40 years of curse? The whole number?

2. So I see. You were using rule that Grahas in Yuti give effects of

each other. That is why you skipped Mangal MD here (Yuti Budh in

2nd). For just in case and to be sure that I have set all the

preferences in JH software correctly, please let me know if 2009.

year is followed by Budh MD with Rahu AD starting 20th of November

2008. and Sani PD starting 28th of February 2009. in this case.

3. Just yesterday I was reading one thread on Srijagannath list,

subject is " Sani Mangal Yoga " . One list member gave his birth data

(14th of May 1980. 20:10 PM; Calcutta), you replied to him several

times, so I suppose that you remember this thread and this chart.

There is Guru Curse in Sthira Rasi, though Rahu is AK in this case,

not Guru (yet it can contribute as AK to adridha karma problem). KSY

over 4/10th bhava, Curse in 10th... very inconvenient for job and

all the rest that goes along with this curse. This boy stated that

he had many problems in life untill he diverted his life direction

more towards spirituality (2005. Ra MD/Gu AD). Last newsflash he

gave was that he is working, he is in a very good relationship and

that he is financially independent. He sounds as being pretty much

safe from troubles. Remedies are beauty. His example can prove you

and I being very wrong with our so far learned theories:

Yours: Stihra Rasi Curse/adridha karma (honestly, this is my first

time reading this info from your email)

Mine: AK curse/adridha karma (maybe you could add some of your

personal experience to this and prove me wrong)

Seems to me like what there is left about this " adridha karma " are

your own words: " Jyotishi can guide the native towards correction of

the curse. If its little bit or a complete remove - that depends on

native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice. " I could not agree

more with them than I already am.

4. Yes, it is easy for me to remember when there is same dosa in my

chart (well, some practical use of that

Oh, I have just remembered that it would be so nice for this girl to

wear a Yellow Sapphire on 4th finger of her right hand.

Respectfully,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja , Namaskar

>

> 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy and at

the

> same time to maintain the positive decorum.

>

> 2. Moola dasa

>

> 3. Curse of AK is remedied by Jyotirlinga, if its in other sign

than

> Sthira then its not drdha and Jyotishi can guide the native

towards

> correction of the curse. If its little bit or a complete remove -

that

> depends on native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice.

>

> 4. Yes, Ishta deva is the remedy for all soul doshas.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

>

> majastrbacastro pisze:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Rafal Ji,

> > Namaste

> >

> > 1. If by any chance this person was asking for your advice

directly

> > on a personal reading, would you be completely honest to tell her

> > that this curse would give its effects from 2009.-2050? (This is

> > ethical question, of course, I am very curious to read your

reply)

> >

> > 2. Why 2009.-2050?

> >

> > 3. When I wrote " Lagnesh and AK, not easy by all means " for a

moment

> > I felt that unpleasant " powerless " feeling I don't like.

Partially

> > because I can not give advice about suitable remedy due to lack

of

> > knowledge, partially because this curse is AK level which means

that

> > Jyotishi is powerless to help here too much. Giving remedy in

this

> > case would only ease the pain a little bit and I think that

> > unfortunately this is maximum limit of our abilities in such

curses.

> >

> > Do you think that chanting Ishta Devata mantra would help here

(Ak

> > and Lagnesh cursed)?

> >

> > Maybe if this girl would be willing to change her life from its

very

> > roots, that could be very helpful. Finding Diksha Guru and

diverting

> > her life from material direction more to spirituality (Guru

Curse,

> > also Bhava karaka for 5th). In any case I would advice her to

stay

> > away from alcohol (Sani involved, this is after all Lagnesh

cursed

> > so alcohol would give extremely bad moves) and to stay away from

> > narcotics (Rahu).

> >

> > It would be really nice if she could only accomplish motherhood

in

> > her life. That would also be a good " remedy " .

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Guru forms the main curse as its Atmakaraka giving problem in

> > maritial

> > > harmony, studies, father and rules in life.

> > >

> > > Hopefully its not in sthira rasi in d1 nor d9. 2009 to 2050 is

the

> > time

> > > when curse will be seen in life. It will begin when native will

> > take bad

> > > advice or in kumbha dasas will take the revengful mood. Main of

> > these

> > > sa/ra/ke/ma are in 3/6 from AL/7 from AL which shows that the

> > native

> > > WILL START the curse.

> > >

> > > As Gu sits in 7 from 11 and Ma sits in 7 from 8 this will

> > generally

> > > gives personal/buisness/people problem in life.

> > >

> > > Remedy lies of course in worshiping Omkara Jyotirlinga.

> > >

> > > ps. 6L with 8L with exalted Shukra is beatiful raja yoga in 2

from

> > AL

> > > (Kum) aspecting 11 from AL - strong dhanayoga but first native

> > must give

> > > to the world (2 from Su) and the dharma is totally related to

> > finances

> > > (5L from Su in 2H). If Kanya forms Nav Lag then person is

totally

> > > focused on career.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > >

> > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only that

> > half

> > > > of your question for now.

> > > >

> > > > O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When you

are

> > > > judging curses first and very important step is a fact that

> > malefic

> > > > is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th or 8th

> > bhava,

> > > > it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you get

> > really

> > > > enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in one's

> > life,

> > > > then you take all that shades in consideration. So, roughly

> > > > speaking, when you are about to determine " diagnosis " ,

malefic is

> > > > always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

> > > >

> > > > When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take this

> > shortcut:

> > > > Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here

from " higher to

> > > > lower " benefic (sorry for limitation of my English skills

right

> > now,

> > > > I do hope you understand basic point in phrase " higher to

lower "

> > if

> > > > there is another more suitable phrase which I can not

remember at

> > > > this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this list, in

> > this

> > > > chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy by

all

> > > > means).

> > > >

> > > > Hope that this was of some help.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Maja

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>

> > <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > " rajaperry " <rajaperry@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the

planetary

> > > > patterns

> > > > > would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about

bandhana

> > yoga.

> > > > The

> > > > > chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and Rahu

in

> > the

> > > > 11th.

> > > > > My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga,

and the

> > > > native

> > > > > should experience some form of bondage or restriction of

> > freedom

> > > > at

> > > > > some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily from

the

> > > > ascendant

> > > > > or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be

affected.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two.

> > Mercury

> > > > > conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from

Cancer

> > > > would be

> > > > > one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct

Ketu

> > and

> > > > > aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn.

Here my

> > > > > question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted

functional

> > > > benefic

> > > > > (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx. 4:15

am.

> > at

> > > > > Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rafal Ji,

Namaste

correction: not Yellow Sapphire... AK (oops!)

Respectfully,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa , " majastrbacastro "

<majastrbacastro wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Rafal Ji,

> Namaste

>

> 1. I could not agree more with what you have wrote down there over

> this ethical issue. But I am still asking you: would you really

add

> that inconvenient truth-40 years of curse? The whole number?

>

> 2. So I see. You were using rule that Grahas in Yuti give effects

of

> each other. That is why you skipped Mangal MD here (Yuti Budh in

> 2nd). For just in case and to be sure that I have set all the

> preferences in JH software correctly, please let me know if 2009.

> year is followed by Budh MD with Rahu AD starting 20th of November

> 2008. and Sani PD starting 28th of February 2009. in this case.

>

> 3. Just yesterday I was reading one thread on Srijagannath list,

> subject is " Sani Mangal Yoga " . One list member gave his birth data

> (14th of May 1980. 20:10 PM; Calcutta), you replied to him several

> times, so I suppose that you remember this thread and this chart.

> There is Guru Curse in Sthira Rasi, though Rahu is AK in this

case,

> not Guru (yet it can contribute as AK to adridha karma problem).

KSY

> over 4/10th bhava, Curse in 10th... very inconvenient for job and

> all the rest that goes along with this curse. This boy stated that

> he had many problems in life untill he diverted his life direction

> more towards spirituality (2005. Ra MD/Gu AD). Last newsflash he

> gave was that he is working, he is in a very good relationship and

> that he is financially independent. He sounds as being pretty much

> safe from troubles. Remedies are beauty. His example can prove you

> and I being very wrong with our so far learned theories:

>

> Yours: Stihra Rasi Curse/adridha karma (honestly, this is my first

> time reading this info from your email)

>

> Mine: AK curse/adridha karma (maybe you could add some of your

> personal experience to this and prove me wrong)

>

> Seems to me like what there is left about this " adridha karma " are

> your own words: " Jyotishi can guide the native towards correction

of

> the curse. If its little bit or a complete remove - that depends

on

> native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice. " I could not

agree

> more with them than I already am.

>

> 4. Yes, it is easy for me to remember when there is same dosa in

my

> chart (well, some practical use of that

>

> Oh, I have just remembered that it would be so nice for this girl

to

> wear a Yellow Sapphire on 4th finger of her right hand.

>

> Respectfully,

> Maja

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> wrote:

> >

> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> >

> > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy and

at

> the

> > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> >

> > 2. Moola dasa

> >

> > 3. Curse of AK is remedied by Jyotirlinga, if its in other sign

> than

> > Sthira then its not drdha and Jyotishi can guide the native

> towards

> > correction of the curse. If its little bit or a complete remove -

> that

> > depends on native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice.

> >

> > 4. Yes, Ishta deva is the remedy for all soul doshas.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@

> >

> > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Rafal Ji,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > 1. If by any chance this person was asking for your advice

> directly

> > > on a personal reading, would you be completely honest to tell

her

> > > that this curse would give its effects from 2009.-2050? (This

is

> > > ethical question, of course, I am very curious to read your

> reply)

> > >

> > > 2. Why 2009.-2050?

> > >

> > > 3. When I wrote " Lagnesh and AK, not easy by all means " for a

> moment

> > > I felt that unpleasant " powerless " feeling I don't like.

> Partially

> > > because I can not give advice about suitable remedy due to

lack

> of

> > > knowledge, partially because this curse is AK level which

means

> that

> > > Jyotishi is powerless to help here too much. Giving remedy in

> this

> > > case would only ease the pain a little bit and I think that

> > > unfortunately this is maximum limit of our abilities in such

> curses.

> > >

> > > Do you think that chanting Ishta Devata mantra would help here

> (Ak

> > > and Lagnesh cursed)?

> > >

> > > Maybe if this girl would be willing to change her life from

its

> very

> > > roots, that could be very helpful. Finding Diksha Guru and

> diverting

> > > her life from material direction more to spirituality (Guru

> Curse,

> > > also Bhava karaka for 5th). In any case I would advice her to

> stay

> > > away from alcohol (Sani involved, this is after all Lagnesh

> cursed

> > > so alcohol would give extremely bad moves) and to stay away

from

> > > narcotics (Rahu).

> > >

> > > It would be really nice if she could only accomplish

motherhood

> in

> > > her life. That would also be a good " remedy " .

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > > Maja

> > >

> > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>,

> > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Guru forms the main curse as its Atmakaraka giving problem in

> > > maritial

> > > > harmony, studies, father and rules in life.

> > > >

> > > > Hopefully its not in sthira rasi in d1 nor d9. 2009 to 2050

is

> the

> > > time

> > > > when curse will be seen in life. It will begin when native

will

> > > take bad

> > > > advice or in kumbha dasas will take the revengful mood. Main

of

> > > these

> > > > sa/ra/ke/ma are in 3/6 from AL/7 from AL which shows that the

> > > native

> > > > WILL START the curse.

> > > >

> > > > As Gu sits in 7 from 11 and Ma sits in 7 from 8 this will

> > > generally

> > > > gives personal/buisness/people problem in life.

> > > >

> > > > Remedy lies of course in worshiping Omkara Jyotirlinga.

> > > >

> > > > ps. 6L with 8L with exalted Shukra is beatiful raja yoga in

2

> from

> > > AL

> > > > (Kum) aspecting 11 from AL - strong dhanayoga but first

native

> > > must give

> > > > to the world (2 from Su) and the dharma is totally related to

> > > finances

> > > > (5L from Su in 2H). If Kanya forms Nav Lag then person is

> totally

> > > > focused on career.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only

that

> > > half

> > > > > of your question for now.

> > > > >

> > > > > O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When

you

> are

> > > > > judging curses first and very important step is a fact that

> > > malefic

> > > > > is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th or

8th

> > > bhava,

> > > > > it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you get

> > > really

> > > > > enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in

one's

> > > life,

> > > > > then you take all that shades in consideration. So, roughly

> > > > > speaking, when you are about to determine " diagnosis " ,

> malefic is

> > > > > always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

> > > > >

> > > > > When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take this

> > > shortcut:

> > > > > Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here

> from " higher to

> > > > > lower " benefic (sorry for limitation of my English skills

> right

> > > now,

> > > > > I do hope you understand basic point in phrase " higher to

> lower "

> > > if

> > > > > there is another more suitable phrase which I can not

> remember at

> > > > > this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this list,

in

> > > this

> > > > > chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy by

> all

> > > > > means).

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope that this was of some help.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Maja

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>

> > > <sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " rajaperry " <rajaperry@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the

> planetary

> > > > > patterns

> > > > > > would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about

> bandhana

> > > yoga.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and

Rahu

> in

> > > the

> > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > My understanding is that this constitues bandhana yoga,

> and the

> > > > > native

> > > > > > should experience some form of bondage or restriction of

> > > freedom

> > > > > at

> > > > > > some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily

from

> the

> > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be

> affected.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards to curses, the same chart has at least two.

> > > Mercury

> > > > > > conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from

> Cancer

> > > > > would be

> > > > > > one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries conjunct

> Ketu

> > > and

> > > > > > aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from Capricorn.

> Here my

> > > > > > question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted

> functional

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx.

4:15

> am.

> > > at

> > > > > > Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rafal Ji,

Namaste

Another correction: wherever you find word " adridha " in my email,

just, please, read it as " dridha " .

Respectfully,

Maja

sohamsa , " majastrbacastro "

<majastrbacastro wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Rafal Ji,

> Namaste

>

> correction: not Yellow Sapphire... AK (oops!)

>

> Respectfully,

> Maja

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

> sohamsa , " majastrbacastro "

> <majastrbacastro@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Rafal Ji,

> > Namaste

> >

> > 1. I could not agree more with what you have wrote down there

over

> > this ethical issue. But I am still asking you: would you really

> add

> > that inconvenient truth-40 years of curse? The whole number?

> >

> > 2. So I see. You were using rule that Grahas in Yuti give

effects

> of

> > each other. That is why you skipped Mangal MD here (Yuti Budh in

> > 2nd). For just in case and to be sure that I have set all the

> > preferences in JH software correctly, please let me know if

2009.

> > year is followed by Budh MD with Rahu AD starting 20th of

November

> > 2008. and Sani PD starting 28th of February 2009. in this case.

> >

> > 3. Just yesterday I was reading one thread on Srijagannath list,

> > subject is " Sani Mangal Yoga " . One list member gave his birth

data

> > (14th of May 1980. 20:10 PM; Calcutta), you replied to him

several

> > times, so I suppose that you remember this thread and this

chart.

> > There is Guru Curse in Sthira Rasi, though Rahu is AK in this

> case,

> > not Guru (yet it can contribute as AK to adridha karma problem).

> KSY

> > over 4/10th bhava, Curse in 10th... very inconvenient for job

and

> > all the rest that goes along with this curse. This boy stated

that

> > he had many problems in life untill he diverted his life

direction

> > more towards spirituality (2005. Ra MD/Gu AD). Last newsflash he

> > gave was that he is working, he is in a very good relationship

and

> > that he is financially independent. He sounds as being pretty

much

> > safe from troubles. Remedies are beauty. His example can prove

you

> > and I being very wrong with our so far learned theories:

> >

> > Yours: Stihra Rasi Curse/adridha karma (honestly, this is my

first

> > time reading this info from your email)

> >

> > Mine: AK curse/adridha karma (maybe you could add some of your

> > personal experience to this and prove me wrong)

> >

> > Seems to me like what there is left about this " adridha karma "

are

> > your own words: " Jyotishi can guide the native towards

correction

> of

> > the curse. If its little bit or a complete remove - that depends

> on

> > native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice. " I could not

> agree

> > more with them than I already am.

> >

> > 4. Yes, it is easy for me to remember when there is same dosa in

> my

> > chart (well, some practical use of that

> >

> > Oh, I have just remembered that it would be so nice for this

girl

> to

> > wear a Yellow Sapphire on 4th finger of her right hand.

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > >

> > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy and

> at

> > the

> > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > >

> > > 2. Moola dasa

> > >

> > > 3. Curse of AK is remedied by Jyotirlinga, if its in other

sign

> > than

> > > Sthira then its not drdha and Jyotishi can guide the native

> > towards

> > > correction of the curse. If its little bit or a complete

remove -

>

> > that

> > > depends on native faith, blessings, sincerity and practice.

> > >

> > > 4. Yes, Ishta deva is the remedy for all soul doshas.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@

> > >

> > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal Ji,

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > > 1. If by any chance this person was asking for your advice

> > directly

> > > > on a personal reading, would you be completely honest to

tell

> her

> > > > that this curse would give its effects from 2009.-2050?

(This

> is

> > > > ethical question, of course, I am very curious to read your

> > reply)

> > > >

> > > > 2. Why 2009.-2050?

> > > >

> > > > 3. When I wrote " Lagnesh and AK, not easy by all means " for

a

> > moment

> > > > I felt that unpleasant " powerless " feeling I don't like.

> > Partially

> > > > because I can not give advice about suitable remedy due to

> lack

> > of

> > > > knowledge, partially because this curse is AK level which

> means

> > that

> > > > Jyotishi is powerless to help here too much. Giving remedy

in

> > this

> > > > case would only ease the pain a little bit and I think that

> > > > unfortunately this is maximum limit of our abilities in such

> > curses.

> > > >

> > > > Do you think that chanting Ishta Devata mantra would help

here

> > (Ak

> > > > and Lagnesh cursed)?

> > > >

> > > > Maybe if this girl would be willing to change her life from

> its

> > very

> > > > roots, that could be very helpful. Finding Diksha Guru and

> > diverting

> > > > her life from material direction more to spirituality (Guru

> > Curse,

> > > > also Bhava karaka for 5th). In any case I would advice her

to

> > stay

> > > > away from alcohol (Sani involved, this is after all Lagnesh

> > cursed

> > > > so alcohol would give extremely bad moves) and to stay away

> from

> > > > narcotics (Rahu).

> > > >

> > > > It would be really nice if she could only accomplish

> motherhood

> > in

> > > > her life. That would also be a good " remedy " .

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > > Maja

> > > >

> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Guru forms the main curse as its Atmakaraka giving problem

in

> > > > maritial

> > > > > harmony, studies, father and rules in life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hopefully its not in sthira rasi in d1 nor d9. 2009 to

2050

> is

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > when curse will be seen in life. It will begin when native

> will

> > > > take bad

> > > > > advice or in kumbha dasas will take the revengful mood.

Main

> of

> > > > these

> > > > > sa/ra/ke/ma are in 3/6 from AL/7 from AL which shows that

the

> > > > native

> > > > > WILL START the curse.

> > > > >

> > > > > As Gu sits in 7 from 11 and Ma sits in 7 from 8 this will

> > > > generally

> > > > > gives personal/buisness/people problem in life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Remedy lies of course in worshiping Omkara Jyotirlinga.

> > > > >

> > > > > ps. 6L with 8L with exalted Shukra is beatiful raja yoga

in

> 2

> > from

> > > > AL

> > > > > (Kum) aspecting 11 from AL - strong dhanayoga but first

> native

> > > > must give

> > > > > to the world (2 from Su) and the dharma is totally related

to

> > > > finances

> > > > > (5L from Su in 2H). If Kanya forms Nav Lag then person is

> > totally

> > > > > focused on career.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email:

rafal@

> > > > >

> > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raja,

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me solve your dilemma over curses. I can handle only

> that

> > > > half

> > > > > > of your question for now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > O.K. Guru is under curse in this chart. So is Budh. When

> you

> > are

> > > > > > judging curses first and very important step is a fact

that

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > is always a malefic (exalted, debilitated, lording 5th

or

> 8th

> > > > bhava,

> > > > > > it doesn't matter for the fact of curse). But, once you

get

> > > > really

> > > > > > enthusiastic to decode a curse and how it manifests in

> one's

> > > > life,

> > > > > > then you take all that shades in consideration. So,

roughly

> > > > > > speaking, when you are about to determine " diagnosis " ,

> > malefic is

> > > > > > always a malefic. Just have this in mind.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When you are about to judge main curse in chart, take

this

> > > > shortcut:

> > > > > > Guru, Sukra, Chandra, Budh. Grahas are lined here

> > from " higher to

> > > > > > lower " benefic (sorry for limitation of my English

skills

> > right

> > > > now,

> > > > > > I do hope you understand basic point in phrase " higher

to

> > lower "

> > > > if

> > > > > > there is another more suitable phrase which I can not

> > remember at

> > > > > > this very moment). So, as Guru is on the top of this

list,

> in

> > > > this

> > > > > > chart Guru is a main curse (lagna lord and AK, not easy

by

> > all

> > > > > > means).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope that this was of some help.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Maja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> > 40>

> > > > <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " rajaperry " <rajaperry@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear List members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was looking at a chart today and wondering how the

> > planetary

> > > > > > patterns

> > > > > > > would manifest. Specifically, I was wondering about

> > bandhana

> > > > yoga.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > chart has Sagittarius rising with Sun in the 3rd and

> Rahu

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > > My understanding is that this constitues bandhana

yoga,

> > and the

> > > > > > native

> > > > > > > should experience some form of bondage or restriction

of

> > > > freedom

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > some stage. But is this bandhana yoga seen primarily

> from

> > the

> > > > > > ascendant

> > > > > > > or the 7th house? Both self and spouse appear to be

> > affected.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With regards to curses, the same chart has at least

two.

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > conjunct Mars in Capricorn and aspected by Saturn from

> > Cancer

> > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > one. Then there is Jupiter (asc. lord) in Aries

conjunct

> > Ketu

> > > > and

> > > > > > > aspected by Saturn from Cancer and Mars from

Capricorn.

> > Here my

> > > > > > > question is, does the fact that Mars is an exalted

> > functional

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > (5th lord) alter the effect of these two curses?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Birth details: female born 22 February 1977, approx.

> 4:15

> > am.

> > > > at

> > > > > > > Xinyang, China (107E29, 22N10) zone 8 east.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 24, 2008

Dear Rafalji,

How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola Dasa? I get

the following Moola dasas:

Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 period be

the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn is in 8th?

Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, then it

should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt involved in

the curse.

Thank you,

Sundeep

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja , Namaskar

>

> 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy and at

the

> same time to maintain the positive decorum.

>

> 2. Moola dasa

>

June 24, 2008

kleem namah narasimhaaya

Dear Maja, Namaskar

1. That depends on the native and situation. Through prasna, omens and

2/12 from Lagnesh you can judge what to say or what to omit in the

reading session. Generally I dont use the word 'curse' for delicate

clients. There must be balance between Surya and Moon and this comes

from Guru - this is from Sanjayji introduction to Jyotisha - this was

available on Sri Freedom Site.

2. 2009-2050 is Guru, Ketu, Rahu, Shani - all engaged in Saapa [moola

dasa].

3. If person has a curse we cant ignore the other yogas. Guru is in

dvisvabhava rasi in d9! Ista deva graha is in dual sign with ketu in

meena in d30-d60! There are simply other points to check.