Questions on Bandhana Yoga and Curses (Sundeep and Rafal Ji)

June 24, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

Namaste

First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I get same

dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in mind, but I

first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what you had in

mind with this prediction, because I see no clear connection. There

were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh AD before

2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How did you get

that conclusion?

Respectfully,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

<vedicastrostudent wrote:

>

> Dear Rafalji,

>

> How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola Dasa? I get

> the following Moola dasas:

>

> Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

>

> Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 period be

> the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn is in 8th?

> Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, then it

> should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt involved

in

> the curse.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

>

> sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> wrote:

> >

> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> >

> > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy and

at

> the

> > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> >

> > 2. Moola dasa

> >

>

June 25, 2008

kleem namah narasimhaaya

Dear Maja, Namaskar

Use only Lagna as candidate.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC

Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com /

email:

rafal

majastrbacastro pisze:

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

Namaste

First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I get same

dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in mind, but I

first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what you had in

mind with this prediction, because I see no clear connection. There

were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh AD before

2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How did you get

that conclusion?

Respectfully,

Maja

Hari Om Tat Sat

sohamsa ,

"vedicastrostudent"

<vedicastrostudent wrote:

>

> Dear Rafalji,

>

> How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola Dasa? I get

> the following Moola dasas:

>

> Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

>

> Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 period be

> the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn is in 8th?

> Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, then it

> should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt involved

in

> the curse.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sundeep

>

> sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> wrote:

> >

> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> >

> > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy

and

at

> the

> > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> >

> > 2. Moola dasa

> >

>

June 25, 2008

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rafal Ji,

Namaste

This definitely looks much more clear with this preference. No

mystery anymore. Thank you!

Respectfully,

Maja

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja, Namaskar

>

> Use only Lagna as candidate.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

>

> majastrbacastro pisze:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > Namaste

> >

> > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

> > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I get same

> > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in mind, but

I

> > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> >

> > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what you had

in

> > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear connection.

There

> > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh AD

before

> > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How did you

get

> > that conclusion?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > " vedicastrostudent "

> > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafalji,

> > >

> > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola Dasa? I

get

> > > the following Moola dasas:

> > >

> > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > >

> > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 period

be

> > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn is in

8th?

> > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, then it

> > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

involved

> > in

> > > the curse.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy

and

> > at

> > > the

> > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 25, 2008

Dear Rafalji and Maja,

Pardon my ignorance but:

1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the reasoning as

to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun and

Moon too.

2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me: when

there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their Moola

dasa results exchanged too?

Thank you,

Sundeep

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja, Namaskar

>

> Use only Lagna as candidate.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

>

> majastrbacastro pisze:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > Namaste

> >

> > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

> > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I get same

> > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in mind, but

I

> > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> >

> > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what you had

in

> > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear connection.

There

> > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh AD

before

> > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How did you

get

> > that conclusion?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > " vedicastrostudent "

> > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafalji,

> > >

> > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola Dasa? I

get

> > > the following Moola dasas:

> > >

> > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > >

> > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 period

be

> > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn is in

8th?

> > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, then it

> > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

involved

> > in

> > > the curse.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy

and

> > at

> > > the

> > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 25, 2008

kleem namah narasimhaaya

Dear Sundeep, Namaskar

1. Always only Lagna.

2. No.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC

Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com /

email:

rafal

vedicastrostudent pisze:

Dear Rafalji and Maja,

Pardon my ignorance but:

1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the reasoning as

to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun and

Moon too.

2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me: when

there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their Moola

dasa results exchanged too?

Thank you,

Sundeep

sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Maja, Namaskar

>

> Use only Lagna as candidate.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com

/ email: rafal

>

> majastrbacastro pisze:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > Namaste

> >

> > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

> > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I get

same

> > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in mind,

but

I

> > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> >

> > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what you

had

in

> > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear connection.

There

> > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh AD

before

> > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How did

you

get

> > that conclusion?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Maja

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > "vedicastrostudent"

> > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafalji,

> > >

> > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola

Dasa? I

get

> > > the following Moola dasas:

> > >

> > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > >

> > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056

period

be

> > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn

is in

8th?

> > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers,

then it

> > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

involved

> > in

> > > the curse.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper

remedy

and

> > at

> > > the

> > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 26, 2008

|Om Bhargavaya Namah|

Dear Readers,

Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao. While Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from the Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled out the use of the other two reference points.

PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon. He cited classical references for the same.

I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of a cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point. The discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.

However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken together giving the most consistent results.

Best Wishes,

Anurag Sharma.

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

http://grahas.wordpress.com

sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> Dear Sundeep, Namaskar> > 1. Always only Lagna.> 2. No.> > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > vedicastrostudent pisze:> >> > Dear Rafalji and Maja,> > Pardon my ignorance but:> > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the reasoning as> > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun and> > Moon too.> > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me: when> > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their Moola> > dasa results exchanged too?> >> > Thank you,> >> > Sundeep> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@> > wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > >> > > Use only Lagna as candidate.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > majastrbacastro pisze:> > > >> > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > >> > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that> > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I get same> > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in mind, but> > I> > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.> > > >> > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what you had> > in> > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear connection.> > There> > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in> > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh AD> > before> > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How did you> > get> > > > that conclusion?> > > >> > > > Respectfully,> > > > Maja> > > >> > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > >> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> > > <sohamsa%> > 40>,> > > > "vedicastrostudent"> > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rafalji,> > > > >> > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola Dasa? I> > get> > > > > the following Moola dasas:> > > > >> > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)> > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)> > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)> > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)> > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)> > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)> > > > >> > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 period> > be> > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn is in> > 8th?> > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, then it> > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt> > involved> > > > in> > > > > the curse.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > >> > > > > Sundeep> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%> > 40>,> > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper remedy> > and> > > > at> > > > > the> > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. Moola dasa> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

June 26, 2008

Dear Anurag,

Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about

to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points enabled

by *default*.

The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found

classical references that support his position - he must be quite

sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then

what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing

Narasimhaji's stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more

evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?

Thanks,

Sundeep

sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma "

<anuraagsharma27 wrote:

>

> |Om Bhargavaya Namah|

>

> Dear Readers,

>

> Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of

> discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao.

While

> Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from

the

> Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled

out the

> use of the other two reference points.

>

> PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and

Moon. He

> cited classical references for the same.

>

> I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference

> points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of

a

> cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point.

The

> discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.

>

> However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken

> together giving the most consistent results.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Anurag Sharma.

>

> http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

> <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>

>

> http://grahas.wordpress.com <http://grahas.wordpress.com>

>

> sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar

> >

> > 1. Always only Lagna.

> > 2. No.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@

> >

> > vedicastrostudent pisze:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,

> > > Pardon my ignorance but:

> > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the

reasoning as

> > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun

and

> > > Moon too.

> > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me:

when

> > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their

Moola

> > > dasa results exchanged too?

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>,

> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

> > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I

get

> same

> > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in

mind, but

> > > I

> > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what

you had

> > > in

> > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear

connection.

> > > There

> > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh

AD

> > > before

> > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How

did you

> > > get

> > > > > that conclusion?

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > Maja

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafalji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola

Dasa? I

> > > get

> > > > > > the following Moola dasas:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056

period

> > > be

> > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn

is in

> > > 8th?

> > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers,

then it

> > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

> > > involved

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the curse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa

> > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper

remedy

> > > and

> > > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 26, 2008

|Om Bhargavaya Namah|

Dear Sundeep,

Sanjay Ji's thoughts, and sometimes his thoughts have been provided to Shishya just to test their resolve and understanding, are contained in the discussion material below. I do not know more than the fact that in the research paper I mentioned, written by me for the JD, employed both starting the Dasha from the Lagna and starting the Moola Dasha from all the three reference points. Generally, the Moola Dasha when started from all the three reference points gives excellent results.

In my own case, as the chart carries the Curse of Moon, Visti's advise that Moon may then be included as a reference leads to the same Moola Dasha sequence as when it is computed with the Sun and Lagna. So, one cannot say. But I can tell you this: the Moola Dasha in my horoscope as too with several others that I worked with gives better results when started from all of Lagna, Moon and the Sun. As Narasimha has said, there is a lot more to this, but at the moment this is my view.

The Moola Dasha holds the key to the proper dynamic evaluation of the horoscope so it is of utmost importance to use it and also to apply it to a rectified Shashtyamsha Chakra. Narasimha Rao's excellent lecture recorded as an MP3 file must be used to facilitate one's understanding.

The discussion material(comments, emphasis and underlines mine) is given below my signature.

Best wishes,

Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

http://grahas.wordpress.com

Dear Sanjay,

I used a rider you explicitly taught me when you taught me Moola dasa. In fact, this is explicitly mentioned in an article on Moola dasa on your website also:

http://srath.com/lessons/advanced/muladasa.htm

You wrote there: "In case the number of years to be subtracted and the number of years under the Vimsottari scheme are the same wherein the final figure would be zero, then take the full cycle of years under the Vimsottari dasa as the number of Moola dasa years of the said planet in the first cycle."

When I asked you for the reason, you said that you were not sure and that your guru taught you this way.

In the example chart of Sree Ramachandra used in the article, Moon is in Cancer just like in the chart below! You applied the rider and took Sree Ramachandra's Moola dasa years to be 10 and not 0.

So JHora is simply doing what you taught me, what you taught on your website and also what you were taught by your gurudeva.

Is there a strong reason now for suddenly deviating from what you were taught by your gurudeva???

* * *

In case this sudden change of mind is motivated by this particular example, let me give my 2 cents on this example.

You used to start Moola dasa from the stronger of lagna and Moon. I used to argue that it should be started from the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun, as both Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are extremely clear on the inclusion of Sun as a seed. We debated on the goups.

However, you publicly conceded a couple of years later that you were wrong and that Sun should also be included. I thought the matter stood resolved.

But I infer from the calculation you copied below that you are excluding Sun and taking only lagna and Moon as seeds. Otherwise, your calculations would've been different.

It could be due to an accidental change in the options or because of a change of mind again.

If it is because of a change of mind, please rethink. Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are very clear. Sun should not be ignored as a seed when trying to unearth the links of current life to past life karmas.

If it is an accidental change in the options, please change your Moola dasa options so that Sun is also considered as a seed along with lagna and Moon.

* * *

If you consider lagna, Moon and Sun as the seeds, you will get the following calculations:

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

Maha Dasas:

Rah: 1982-06-23 (21:26:01) - 1991-06-24 (4:47:00) Sun: 1991-06-24 (4:47:00) - 1995-06-24 (5:23:06) Sat: 1995-06-24 (5:23:06) - 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) <<<< Mars: 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) - 2016-06-23 (14:41:47)

Saturn is with Badhak Mars in 9th and he aspects 8th lord Sun and Rahu. His aspect on Rahu, who afflicts Sun, is extremely close. Saturn is the link between the bad combinations in Vi and Ge. So Saturn dasa can certainly give the suffering. Moreover, Saturn is the 8th lord in lagna in D-30 (D-60 like D-30 that shows punishments).

Thus, if you use Sun as a seed, you will be able to see the event clearly without having to change the rider taught by your gurudeva.

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

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> om gurave namah> > Dear Narasimha> There is a error in the calculation of Mula dasa in Jagannath Hora. See this> case given by Lakshmi -> =============> Male: paralysis - by wave> Natal Chart> June 23, 1982> Time: 9:26:00 pm> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 77 E 35' 00", 12 N 59' 00"> Bangalore, India> ====================> Event: He was hit by a wave in one of the beaches in Goa, which has left him> paralyzed waist > down. He is totally dependent on his mother for even the basic of> his needs A surgery is slated to be performed in March'06.> ===================> Background: He has done his BE in Industrial Engginering. This unfortunate> incident happened on the 28th of June'2003 at Goa. He took his GRE> test after this accident and scored 2100/2400. He is keeping himself > engaged in trading of stocks and shares.> ===================> Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):> > Maha Dasas:> Jup: 1982-06-23 - 1996-06-23> Moon: 1996-06-23 - 2006-06-24 > Rah: 2006-06-24 - 2015-06-24> > ===========> Notes:> This is wrong as the Moon dasa should be for 0 years in the first cycle as> the Moon is in Cancer. Mula trikona of Moon is Taurus and counting from> Cancer to Taurus we get 11 minus 1 gives us 10 years. So Mula dasa for first> cycle is 10 years (vimsottari) minus Mulatrikona correction of 10 years => Zero (0) years in the first cycle and 10 years in second cycle.> > The JHora software gives the first cycle as 10 years and second cycle as> zero years. Please make the change.> ==============> Reason:> The suffering is indicated by the combnation of Rahu and Saturn afflicting> the Sun in the 6th house (disease & suffering). Saturn is Atmakaraka and Sun> is 8th lord confirming Pitris shapa or the curse of the manes. This is> further confirmed by badhakesa Mars and Saturn conjoining the 9th house> causing grave misfortune and bringing a curse on the 9th house. All factors> confirm.> > The event should have occured in the 3rd part of Rahu Mula dasa from 1996 to> 2005.> =================> Lakshmi Kary - Please note: Remedies advised shold be purely based on the> teachings of Parasara for curse of Pitris as given by the translations in> Vol 2. Kindly advise your student accordingly.> > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath

Jaya JagannathDear Narasimha,The tradition knows that the Sun represents the Atma which does not knowsorrow nor happiness. It merely observes all that is happening to gainknowledge. The Phalita Dasa's are basically the interaction of the body andMana with the environment and hence the Lagna or Moon should be considered.If you read Parasara carefully, then you will always find that the variousdasa's are focused to start from either Lagna or the Moon alone.Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has deviatedin a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given thepractise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this thread.Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to AyurDasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these types ofDasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting from theSun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using thestronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity usingdifferent mathematical models.What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita Dasa?With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath-Narasimha Rao <pvr<vedic astrology >Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:26 PM[vedic astrology] Starting Moola dasa from Sun (Re: Answer to GaryGomes on D-60)> Pranaam Gurudeva,>> > Please let me correct you about the starting of the Dasa.> Kalyan Verma> > said that he found the Satyacharya priciple of starting the Dasa> from the> > Lagna, Sun or Moon to be satisfactory and has also hinted at others> using> > different methods. The other method is to consider Moon and Lagna> alone and> > leave out the Sun. Try all and when in a doubt, prefer the Lagna or> Moon to> > the Sun sign i.e. if either the Sun or Lagna or Sun and Moon are of> equal> > strength, then choose the Lagna/Moon. That is my Upadesa (rather> traditional> > I can say).>> I remember what you said about Sun on telephone when you were in> US. I know that your teaching is to stricyly ignore Sun when> finding the Moola dasa starting point.>> But, in several charts, I could explain the known past much better> with dasas starting from Sun than with lagna/Moon. Of course, it> may be because of my incorrect understanding of the application of> Moola dasa. However, I have the support of Kalyana Verma, son of> Varahamihira, Satyacharya etc. Because of this support, I can> confidently write what I believe in.>> Your sishya,> Narasimha

Pranaam Gurudeva,> Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya hasdeviated> in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has giventhe> practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up thisthread.> Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference toAyur> Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between thesetypes of> Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for startingfrom the> Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about usingthe> stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevityusing> different mathematical models.> What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting PhalitaDasa?I have already given my basis. Apart from Satyacharya (whom youseem to reject saying he deviated in a number of points), thefollowing authors gave the same:(1) Varahamihira in "Brihajjaatakam":"udaya ravi sasaanka praani kendraadi sansthaah".It means "planets in quadrants etc from the livelier (stronger)of lagna, Sun and Moon. The word "ravi" (Sun) is clearly used.(2) Prithu Yasas (son of Varahamihira) in "Hora Sara":"hora dinesa sasinaam prabalo bhavedyas-tatkantakaadishu gataa kathitaa dasesaah"It means "whoever is the strongest of lagna, Sun and Moon, theplanets in quadrants etc from him are said to be dasa lords."The word "dinesa" (lord of the daytime - Sun) is clearly used.(3) Kalyana Verma in "Saravali":"lagnaarka seeta rasmeenaamyo balee tasya chaagratahtatkendraadi sthitaanam cha"Again planets in quadrants etc from the strongest of lagna, Sunand Moon are referred. The word "arka" clearly means Sun.Because 4 classics refer to this, following this view is, Ithink, justified. Moreover, I could explain known past withSun-initiated Moola dasa better than lagna/Moon-initiatedMoola dasa.None of the 4 references above says that this is only for ayurdasas. In fact, Kalyana Verma proceeds to give some resultswhich make one think that he considers it a phalita dasa.While I do know that Sun, Moon and lagna stand for soul, mindand body, I do not find it binding on the definition of dasas.Sun stands for many other things, including the vitality of anativity or achievements. I cannot presume that I understandthe rationale behind the definition of dasas well enough toconclude that a phalita dasa cannot be based on Sun.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

Jaya JagannathDear Narasimha,In my advise, you will notice that I also have not rejected the Sun. Iam only giving it a lower position for Phalita Dasa than the Lagna and Moon.You will appreciate that whereas the three are very important and form thetripod, in this World of Maya, the Atma is just passing through another ofits endless journeys. It is the Moon (Mana) and Lagna (Body) that are UNIQUEfor this particular Journey. The Atma (Sun) is old. The dasa from the Sunwould be more relevant if we are considering the Nisheka chart. I will teachall these things to you some day where you can judiciously pick the rightdasa for a particular chart. After all there are so many Dasa.We have just started the discussion on Dasa's and what I am teachingright now is the Vimsottari Dasa and here too the Lagna or Moon are used.The Sun is specifically left out. The Moola Dasa is a derivative of theVimsottari (in a way) and there too the Sun does not enjoy as muchimportance as the Atma is old.With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath

parasmai çivajyotiñe namaù

Dear Jyotiña,

Thank you one and all, for your heartfelt felicitations on this beginning of a new year in my life. As the Saturn Müla daçä[AS1] ends it brings to an end the eighteen-year[AS2] curse of a great Brahmin[AS3] who we had caused frustration and sorrow. Having crossed that ocean of suffering, anger and frustration,[AS4] today we look back with tender thoughts to a period of great learning and salute the paraà guru symbolized by the Brahmin. Even in the period of suffering, the omnipotent soul did not fail in doing His duty in teaching me. In introspection, we deserved every suffering just as we must have caused (perhaps in another life).

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): Self

Sun: 1963-08-07 (21:15:00) - 1968-08-07 (4:07:01)

Ven: 1968-08-07 (4:07:01) - 1985-08-07 (12:37:37) – Napunsaka curse of spouse

Sat: 1985-08-07 (12:37:37) - 2003-08-08 (3:14:23) – Curse period

Ket: 2003-08-08 (3:14:23) - 2008-08-07 (10:01:52) – Matsya Yoga to function

Rah: 2008-08-07 (10:01:52) - 2017-08-07 (17:25:40) – Dhana yoga to function

Jup: 2017-08-07 (17:25:40) - 2024-08-07 (12:24:32) – Mahapuruña & Kalpadruma yoga

Mars: 2024-08-07 (12:24:32) - 2031-08-08 (7:32:15) – Yogada (+apamåtyu)

Merc: 2031-08-08 (7:32:15) - 2047-08-08 (9:52:16) – Sarada Yoga

Moon: 2047-08-08 (9:52:16) - 2054-08-08 (4:49:00) – The end

As the müla daçä of an exalted Ketu begins we have been filled with thoughts of how best to consolidate the jyotiña knowledge and my learning for the benefit of my students and all of you. Conferences are necessary points of sharing some thoughts and must continue although the response has been far from satisfactory. The economic downturn has been painful for everyone and it is understandable.

The need of the hour is to revive the direct learning in a gurukul. We promise you that this will be started in 2004 inspite of seemingly impossible odds. There is nothing taller than the sky that cannot be reached once the heart is set and the mind focused. With a sincere prayer to the sapta-åsi and Çré Mahamatsya avatar, we begin this journey to the USA. We has asked sarvätma Sürya for a sign and like the pure, enlightening rays of the sun, your wishes poured down on my birthday. Thank you. The rays of the real sun (ätma), which came from your hearts. I asked for a ray and the brilliant sunshine poured down from your hearts. Thank you again. We were going to speak openly on the Atmakaraka and had been worried whether opening up the jyotisa secrets like this was right - you all have answered it. Sarvatma sury a has spoken from your hearts...to this there is no doubt. I salute the divine lord in your heart with all sincerity.

We have taken this promise to compile the best slokas in the form of a voluminous book series called `Brihajjyotiña saëgrahaà' and will complete this work in the next five years from 2003-08. Your good wishes and love is all that we need to continue in this path.

I remain,

At the feet of Çré Jagannätha

Sanjay Rath

Pranaam Sanjay,

Happy birthday a few days in advance! I guess you will be travelling at the time of your birthday and we will not be able to wish you.

I am glad you saw the end of the Moola dasa of Saturn, who is in Bhrashtamsa (fallen) in D-60 and shows multiple curses in rasi chart. Ketu, on the other hand, is well-placed in moolatrikona in D-60 in the 9th house of dharma. The dharma followed in last life (9th in D-60) will come to your rescue in this life and aid in the karma of this life (10th of rasi). All the very best for the Ketu dasa that just started!

BTW, talking about Moola dasa, I see from the calculations below that you are now using Sun along with Moon and lagna for starting the dasa. Sun is stronger than lagna and Moon in your rasi chart and you have rightly started dasas from Sun's quadrants below.

I don't know if you remember, but we had a big argument on the very same issue a couple of years back on the list. I insisted that Sun should be used if he is stronger than lagna and Moon, as Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas all taught the same. You deviated from the teachings of all these scholars and insisted that Sun should not be used as the seed. We argued but could not come to an agreement.

As all the ancient writers who covered Moola dasa taught that the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun should be used as the seed, I never had any doubt. I knew all along that you were wrong. I am glad that you have now chosen to start your Moola dasa from Sun!

Your Tithi Pravesha chart of 2003-04 looks good. But watch out during Mercury dasa. Mercury owns Kali sahamam and 8th house. He is in marana karaka sthana in 7th along with 2nd lord Jupiter. All this is good for astrology (2nd and 8th lords together and aspecting lagna!), but can suggest some physical danger too. Whenever the 8th lord occupies 7th in any TP chart, I saw that his dasa would bring some suffering. Here kali sahamam also goes into 8th. At the time the new year starts (14th Aug 2003, 7:06 pm IST), please try to pray to Lakshmi and Vishnu for relief from this bad placement (not only Mercury, but Venus is also in marana karaka sthana).

Except this, the year is great. There is Chandra-Mangala yoga, Gaja-Kesari yoga and Guru-Mangala yoga on lagna-7th axis and lagna lord is in a trine in the house of an adhimitra. This will be a great year and all the very best!

Your sishya,Narasimha

[AS1]Computed from Lagna, Sun and Moon!

[AS2]Dasha period.

[AS3]Great because the benefic forms Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga in Lagna in Meena Rashi.

[AS4]Saturn (suffering and frustration) and Mars (anger) aspect Guru with Graha Drishti.

sohamsa , "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent wrote:>> Dear Anurag,> Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about > to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points enabled > by *default*. > > The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found > classical references that support his position - he must be quite > sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then > what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing > Narasimhaji's stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more > evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?> > Thanks,> > Sundeep> > > > > sohamsa , "Anurag Sharma" > anuraagsharma27@ wrote:> >> > > > > > |Om Bhargavaya Namah|> > > > Dear Readers,> > > > Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of> > discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao. > While> > Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from > the> > Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled > out the> > use of the other two reference points.> > > > PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and > Moon. He> > cited classical references for the same.> > > > I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference> > points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of > a> > cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point. > The> > discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.> > > > However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken> > together giving the most consistent results.> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Anurag Sharma.> > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>> > > > http://grahas.wordpress.com <http://grahas.wordpress.com>> > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar> > >> > > 1. Always only Lagna.> > > 2. No.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@> > >> > >> > > vedicastrostudent pisze:> > > >> > > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,> > > > Pardon my ignorance but:> > > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the > reasoning as> > > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun > and> > > > Moon too.> > > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me: > when> > > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their > Moola> > > > dasa results exchanged too?> > > >> > > > Thank you,> > > >> > > > Sundeep> > > >> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%> 40>,> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that> > > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I > get> > same> > > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in > mind, but> > > > I> > > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.> > > > > >> > > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what > you had> > > > in> > > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear > connection.> > > > There> > > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in> > > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh > AD> > > > before> > > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How > did you> > > > get> > > > > > that conclusion?> > > > > >> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > Maja> > > > > >> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40>> > > > <sohamsa%> > > > 40>,> > > > > > "vedicastrostudent"> > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Rafalji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola > Dasa? I> > > > get> > > > > > > the following Moola dasas:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)> > > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)> > > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)> > > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)> > > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)> > > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 > period> > > > be> > > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn > is in> > > > 8th?> > > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, > then it> > > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt> > > > involved> > > > > > in> > > > > > > the curse.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sundeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sohamsa > > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%> > > > 40>,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper > remedy> > > > and> > > > > > at> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

June 26, 2008

|Om Bhargavaya Namah|

Dear Sundeep,

Sanjay Ji's thoughts, and sometimes his thoughts have been provided

to Shishya just to test their resolve and understanding, are

contained in the discussion material below. I do not know more than

the fact that in the research paper I mentioned, written by me for

the JD, employed both starting the Dasha from the Lagna and starting

the Moola Dasha from all the three reference points. Generally, the

Moola Dasha when started from all the three reference points gives

excellent results.

In my own case, as the chart carries the Curse of Moon, Visti's

advise that Moon may then be included as a reference leads to the

same Moola Dasha sequence as when it is computed with the Sun and

Lagna. So, one cannot say. But I can tell you this: the Moola Dasha

in my horoscope as too with several others that I worked with gives

better results when started from all of Lagna, Moon and the Sun. As

Narasimha has said, there is a lot more to this, but at the moment

this is my view.

The Moola Dasha holds the key to the proper dynamic evaluation of the

horoscope so it is of utmost importance to use it and also to apply

it to a rectified Shashtyamsha Chakra. Narasimha Rao's excellent

lecture recorded as an MP3 file must be used to facilitate one's

understanding.

The discussion material(comments, emphasis and underlines mine) is

given below my signature.

Best wishes,

Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

http://grahas.wordpress.com

Dear Sanjay,

I used a rider you explicitly taught me when you taught me Moola

dasa. In fact, this is explicitly mentioned in an article on Moola

dasa on your website also:

http://srath.com/lessons/advanced/muladasa.htm

You wrote there: " In case the number of years to be subtracted and

the number of years under the Vimsottari scheme are the same wherein

the final figure would be zero, then take the full cycle of years

under the Vimsottari dasa as the number of Moola dasa years of the

said planet in the first cycle. "

When I asked you for the reason, you said that you were not sure and

that your guru taught you this way.

In the example chart of Sree Ramachandra used in the article, Moon is

in Cancer just like in the chart below! You applied the rider and

took Sree Ramachandra's Moola dasa years to be 10 and not 0.

So JHora is simply doing what you taught me, what you taught on your

website and also what you were taught by your gurudeva.

Is there a strong reason now for suddenly deviating from what you

were taught by your gurudeva???

* * *

In case this sudden change of mind is motivated by this particular

example, let me give my 2 cents on this example.

You used to start Moola dasa from the stronger of lagna and Moon. I

used to argue that it should be started from the stronger of lagna,

Moon and Sun, as both Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are extremely

clear on the inclusion of Sun as a seed. We debated on the goups.

However, you publicly conceded a couple of years later that you were

wrong and that Sun should also be included. I thought the matter

stood resolved.

But I infer from the calculation you copied below that you are

excluding Sun and taking only lagna and Moon as seeds. Otherwise,

your calculations would've been different.

It could be due to an accidental change in the options or because of

a change of mind again.

If it is because of a change of mind, please rethink. Varahamihira

and Kalyana Verma are very clear. Sun should not be ignored as a seed

when trying to unearth the links of current life to past life karmas.

If it is an accidental change in the options, please change your

Moola dasa options so that Sun is also considered as a seed along

with lagna and Moon.

* * *

If you consider lagna, Moon and Sun as the seeds, you will get the

following calculations:

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

Maha Dasas:

Rah: 1982-06-23 (21:26:01) - 1991-06-24 (4:47:00)

Sun: 1991-06-24 (4:47:00) - 1995-06-24 (5:23:06)

Sat: 1995-06-24 (5:23:06) - 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) <<<<

Mars: 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) - 2016-06-23 (14:41:47)

Saturn is with Badhak Mars in 9th and he aspects 8th lord Sun and

Rahu. His aspect on Rahu, who afflicts Sun, is extremely close.

Saturn is the link between the bad combinations in Vi and Ge. So

Saturn dasa can certainly give the suffering. Moreover, Saturn is the

8th lord in lagna in D-30 (D-60 like D-30 that shows punishments).

Thus, if you use Sun as a seed, you will be able to see the event

clearly without having to change the rider taught by your gurudeva.

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

Narasimha

-------------------------------

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-------------------------------

> om gurave namah

>

> Dear Narasimha

> There is a error in the calculation of Mula dasa in Jagannath Hora.

See this

> case given by Lakshmi -

> =============

> Male: paralysis - by wave

> Natal Chart

> June 23, 1982

> Time: 9:26:00 pm

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 77 E 35' 00 " , 12 N 59' 00 "

> Bangalore, India

> ====================

> Event: He was hit by a wave in one of the beaches in Goa, which has

left him

> paralyzed waist

> down. He is totally dependent on his mother for even the basic of

> his needs A surgery is slated to be performed in March'06.

> ===================

> Background: He has done his BE in Industrial Engginering. This

unfortunate

> incident happened on the 28th of June'2003 at Goa. He took his GRE

> test after this accident and scored 2100/2400. He is keeping

himself

> engaged in trading of stocks and shares.

> ===================

> Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

>

> Maha Dasas:

> Jup: 1982-06-23 - 1996-06-23

> Moon: 1996-06-23 - 2006-06-24

> Rah: 2006-06-24 - 2015-06-24

>

> ===========

> Notes:

> This is wrong as the Moon dasa should be for 0 years in the first

cycle as

> the Moon is in Cancer. Mula trikona of Moon is Taurus and counting

from

> Cancer to Taurus we get 11 minus 1 gives us 10 years. So Mula dasa

for first

> cycle is 10 years (vimsottari) minus Mulatrikona correction of 10

years =

> Zero (0) years in the first cycle and 10 years in second cycle.

>

> The JHora software gives the first cycle as 10 years and second

cycle as

> zero years. Please make the change.

> ==============

> Reason:

> The suffering is indicated by the combnation of Rahu and Saturn

afflicting

> the Sun in the 6th house (disease & suffering). Saturn is

Atmakaraka and Sun

> is 8th lord confirming Pitris shapa or the curse of the manes. This

is

> further confirmed by badhakesa Mars and Saturn conjoining the 9th

house

> causing grave misfortune and bringing a curse on the 9th house. All

factors

> confirm.

>

> The event should have occured in the 3rd part of Rahu Mula dasa

from 1996 to

> 2005.

> =================

> Lakshmi Kary - Please note: Remedies advised shold be purely based

on the

> teachings of Parasara for curse of Pitris as given by the

translations in

> Vol 2. Kindly advise your student accordingly.

>

> With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,

> Sanjay Rath

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

The tradition knows that the Sun represents the Atma which does not

know

sorrow nor happiness. It merely observes all that is happening to gain

knowledge. The Phalita Dasa's are basically the interaction of the

body and

Mana with the environment and hence the Lagna or Moon should be

considered.

If you read Parasara carefully, then you will always find that the

various

dasa's are focused to start from either Lagna or the Moon alone.

Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has

deviated

in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given

the

practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this

thread.

Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to Ayur

Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these

types of

Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting from

the

Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using

the

stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity

using

different mathematical models.

What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita Dasa?

With Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

-

Narasimha Rao <pvr

Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:26 PM

[vedic astrology] Starting Moola dasa from Sun (Re: Answer

to Gary

Gomes on D-60)

> Pranaam Gurudeva,

>

> > Please let me correct you about the starting of the Dasa.

> Kalyan Verma

> > said that he found the Satyacharya priciple of starting the Dasa

> from the

> > Lagna, Sun or Moon to be satisfactory and has also hinted at

others

> using

> > different methods. The other method is to consider Moon and Lagna

> alone and

> > leave out the Sun. Try all and when in a doubt, prefer the Lagna

or

> Moon to

> > the Sun sign i.e. if either the Sun or Lagna or Sun and Moon are

of

> equal

> > strength, then choose the Lagna/Moon. That is my Upadesa (rather

> traditional

> > I can say).

>

> I remember what you said about Sun on telephone when you were in

> US. I know that your teaching is to stricyly ignore Sun when

> finding the Moola dasa starting point.

>

> But, in several charts, I could explain the known past much better

> with dasas starting from Sun than with lagna/Moon. Of course, it

> may be because of my incorrect understanding of the application of

> Moola dasa. However, I have the support of Kalyana Verma, son of

> Varahamihira, Satyacharya etc. Because of this support, I can

> confidently write what I believe in.

>

> Your sishya,

> Narasimha

Pranaam Gurudeva,

> Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has

deviated

> in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given

the

> practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this

thread.

> Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to

Ayur

> Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these

types of

> Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting

from the

> Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using

the

> stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity

using

> different mathematical models.

> What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita

Dasa?

I have already given my basis. Apart from Satyacharya (whom you

seem to reject saying he deviated in a number of points), the

following authors gave the same:

(1) Varahamihira in " Brihajjaatakam " :

" udaya ravi sasaanka praani kendraadi sansthaah " .

It means " planets in quadrants etc from the livelier (stronger)

of lagna, Sun and Moon. The word " ravi " (Sun) is clearly used.

(2) Prithu Yasas (son of Varahamihira) in " Hora Sara " :

" hora dinesa sasinaam prabalo bhavedyas-

tatkantakaadishu gataa kathitaa dasesaah "

It means " whoever is the strongest of lagna, Sun and Moon, the

planets in quadrants etc from him are said to be dasa lords. "

The word " dinesa " (lord of the daytime - Sun) is clearly used.

(3) Kalyana Verma in " Saravali " :

" lagnaarka seeta rasmeenaam

yo balee tasya chaagratah

tatkendraadi sthitaanam cha "

Again planets in quadrants etc from the strongest of lagna, Sun

and Moon are referred. The word " arka " clearly means Sun.

Because 4 classics refer to this, following this view is, I

think, justified. Moreover, I could explain known past with

Sun-initiated Moola dasa better than lagna/Moon-initiated

Moola dasa.

None of the 4 references above says that this is only for ayur

dasas. In fact, Kalyana Verma proceeds to give some results

which make one think that he considers it a phalita dasa.

While I do know that Sun, Moon and lagna stand for soul, mind

and body, I do not find it binding on the definition of dasas.

Sun stands for many other things, including the vitality of a

nativity or achievements. I cannot presume that I understand

the rationale behind the definition of dasas well enough to

conclude that a phalita dasa cannot be based on Sun.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Narasimha,

In my advise, you will notice that I also have not rejected the Sun. I

am only giving it a lower position for Phalita Dasa than the Lagna

and Moon.

You will appreciate that whereas the three are very important and

form the

tripod, in this World of Maya, the Atma is just passing through

another of

its endless journeys. It is the Moon (Mana) and Lagna (Body) that are

UNIQUE

for this particular Journey. The Atma (Sun) is old. The dasa from the

Sun

would be more relevant if we are considering the Nisheka chart. I

will teach

all these things to you some day where you can judiciously pick the

right

dasa for a particular chart. After all there are so many Dasa.

We have just started the discussion on Dasa's and what I am teaching

right now is the Vimsottari Dasa and here too the Lagna or Moon are

used.

The Sun is specifically left out. The Moola Dasa is a derivative of

the

Vimsottari (in a way) and there too the Sun does not enjoy as much

importance as the Atma is old.

With Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

parasmai çivajyotiñe namaù

Dear Jyotiña,

Thank you one and all, for your heartfelt felicitations on this

beginning of a new year in my life. As the Saturn Müla daçä[AS1]

ends it brings to an end the eighteen-year[AS2] curse of a great

Brahmin[AS3] who we had caused frustration and sorrow. Having

crossed that ocean of suffering, anger and frustration,[AS4] today

we look back with tender thoughts to a period of great learning and

salute the paraà guru symbolized by the Brahmin. Even in the period

of suffering, the omnipotent soul did not fail in doing His duty in

teaching me. In introspection, we deserved every suffering just as we

must have caused (perhaps in another life).

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): Self

Sun: 1963-08-07 (21:15:00) - 1968-08-07 (4:07:01)

Ven: 1968-08-07 (4:07:01) - 1985-08-07 (12:37:37) – Napunsaka curse

of spouse

Sat: 1985-08-07 (12:37:37) - 2003-08-08 (3:14:23) – Curse period

Ket: 2003-08-08 (3:14:23) - 2008-08-07 (10:01:52) – Matsya Yoga to

function

Rah: 2008-08-07 (10:01:52) - 2017-08-07 (17:25:40) – Dhana yoga to

function

Jup: 2017-08-07 (17:25:40) - 2024-08-07 (12:24:32) – Mahapuruña &

Kalpadruma yoga

Mars: 2024-08-07 (12:24:32) - 2031-08-08 (7:32:15) – Yogada

(+apamåtyu)

Merc: 2031-08-08 (7:32:15) - 2047-08-08 (9:52:16) – Sarada Yoga

Moon: 2047-08-08 (9:52:16) - 2054-08-08 (4:49:00) – The end

As the müla daçä of an exalted Ketu begins we have been filled with

thoughts of how best to consolidate the jyotiña knowledge and my

learning for the benefit of my students and all of you. Conferences

are necessary points of sharing some thoughts and must continue

although the response has been far from satisfactory. The economic

downturn has been painful for everyone and it is understandable.

The need of the hour is to revive the direct learning in a gurukul.

We promise you that this will be started in 2004 inspite of seemingly

impossible odds. There is nothing taller than the sky that cannot be

reached once the heart is set and the mind focused. With a sincere

prayer to the sapta-åsi and Çré Mahamatsya avatar, we begin this

journey to the USA. We has asked sarvätma Sürya for a sign and like

the pure, enlightening rays of the sun, your wishes poured down on my

birthday. Thank you. The rays of the real sun (ätma), which came from

your hearts. I asked for a ray and the brilliant sunshine poured down

from your hearts. Thank you again. We were going to speak openly on

the Atmakaraka and had been worried whether opening up the jyotisa

secrets like this was right - you all have answered it. Sarvatma sury

a has spoken from your hearts...to this there is no doubt. I salute

the divine lord in your heart with all sincerity.

We have taken this promise to compile the best slokas in the form of

a voluminous book series called `Brihajjyotiña saëgrahaà' and will

complete this work in the next five years from 2003-08. Your good

wishes and love is all that we need to continue in this path.

I remain,

At the feet of Çré Jagannätha

Sanjay Rath

Pranaam Sanjay,

Happy birthday a few days in advance! I guess you will be travelling

at the time of your birthday and we will not be able to wish you.

I am glad you saw the end of the Moola dasa of Saturn, who is in

Bhrashtamsa (fallen) in D-60 and shows multiple curses in rasi chart.

Ketu, on the other hand, is well-placed in moolatrikona in D-60 in

the 9th house of dharma. The dharma followed in last life (9th in D-

60) will come to your rescue in this life and aid in the karma of

this life (10th of rasi). All the very best for the Ketu dasa that

just started!

BTW, talking about Moola dasa, I see from the calculations below that

you are now using Sun along with Moon and lagna for starting the

dasa. Sun is stronger than lagna and Moon in your rasi chart and you

have rightly started dasas from Sun's quadrants below.

I don't know if you remember, but we had a big argument on the very

same issue a couple of years back on the list. I insisted that Sun

should be used if he is stronger than lagna and Moon, as

Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas all taught the same. You

deviated from the teachings of all these scholars and insisted that

Sun should not be used as the seed. We argued but could not come to

an agreement.

As all the ancient writers who covered Moola dasa taught that the

stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun should be used as the seed, I never

had any doubt. I knew all along that you were wrong. I am glad that

you have now chosen to start your Moola dasa from Sun!

Your Tithi Pravesha chart of 2003-04 looks good. But watch out during

Mercury dasa. Mercury owns Kali sahamam and 8th house. He is in

marana karaka sthana in 7th along with 2nd lord Jupiter. All this is

good for astrology (2nd and 8th lords together and aspecting lagna!),

but can suggest some physical danger too. Whenever the 8th lord

occupies 7th in any TP chart, I saw that his dasa would bring some

suffering. Here kali sahamam also goes into 8th. At the time the new

year starts (14th Aug 2003, 7:06 pm IST), please try to pray to

Lakshmi and Vishnu for relief from this bad placement (not only

Mercury, but Venus is also in marana karaka sthana).

Except this, the year is great. There is Chandra-Mangala yoga, Gaja-

Kesari yoga and Guru-Mangala yoga on lagna-7th axis and lagna lord is

in a trine in the house of an adhimitra. This will be a great year

and all the very best!

Your sishya,

Narasimha

----

----------

[AS1]Computed from Lagna, Sun and Moon!

[AS2]Dasha period.

[AS3]Great because the benefic forms Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga in Lagna

in Meena Rashi.

[AS4]Saturn (suffering and frustration) and Mars (anger) aspect Guru

with Graha Drishti.

sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

<vedicastrostudent wrote:

>

> Dear Anurag,

> Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about

> to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points

enabled

> by *default*.

>

> The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found

> classical references that support his position - he must be quite

> sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then

> what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing

> Narasimhaji's stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more

> evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sundeep

>

> sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma "

> anuraagsharma27@ wrote:

> >

> > |Om Bhargavaya Namah|

> >

> > Dear Readers,

> >

> > Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of

> > discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao.

> While

> > Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started

from

> the

> > Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled

> out the

> > use of the other two reference points.

> >

> > PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and

> Moon. He

> > cited classical references for the same.

> >

> > I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference

> > points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event

of

> a

> > cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point.

> The

> > discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.

> >

> > However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken

> > together giving the most consistent results.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Anurag Sharma.

> >

> > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

> > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>

> >

> > http://grahas.wordpress.com <http://grahas.wordpress.com>

> >

> > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar

> > >

> > > 1. Always only Lagna.

> > > 2. No.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@

> > >

> > > vedicastrostudent pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,

> > > > Pardon my ignorance but:

> > > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the

> reasoning as

> > > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun

> and

> > > > Moon too.

> > > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me:

> when

> > > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their

> Moola

> > > > dasa results exchanged too?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > > Sundeep

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > > > >

> > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me

that

> > > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I

> get

> > same

> > > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in

> mind, but

> > > > I

> > > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what

> you had

> > > > in

> > > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear

> connection.

> > > > There

> > > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four

Budh

> AD

> > > > before

> > > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How

> did you

> > > > get

> > > > > > that conclusion?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > Maja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafalji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola

> Dasa? I

> > > > get

> > > > > > > the following Moola dasas:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056

> period

> > > > be

> > > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn

> is in

> > > > 8th?

> > > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers,

> then it

> > > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

> > > > involved

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the curse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa

> > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper

> remedy

> > > > and

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

<vedicastrostudent wrote:

>

> Dear Anurag,

> Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about

> to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points

enabled

> by *default*.

>

> The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found

> classical references that support his position - he must be quite

> sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then

> what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing

> Narasimhaji's stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more

> evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Sundeep

>

> sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma "

> <anuraagsharma27@> wrote:

> >

> > |Om Bhargavaya Namah|

> >

> > Dear Readers,

> >

> > Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of

> > discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao.

> While

> > Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started

from

> the

> > Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled

> out the

> > use of the other two reference points.

> >

> > PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and

> Moon. He

> > cited classical references for the same.

> >

> > I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference

> > points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event

of

> a

> > cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point.

> The

> > discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.

> >

> > However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken

> > together giving the most consistent results.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Anurag Sharma.

> >

> > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

> > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>

> >

> > http://grahas.wordpress.com <http://grahas.wordpress.com>

> >

> > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar

> > >

> > > 1. Always only Lagna.

> > > 2. No.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@

> > >

> > > vedicastrostudent pisze:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,

> > > > Pardon my ignorance but:

> > > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the

> reasoning as

> > > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun

> and

> > > > Moon too.

> > > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me:

> when

> > > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their

> Moola

> > > > dasa results exchanged too?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > > Sundeep

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

> 40>,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > > > >

> > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me

that

> > > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I

> get

> > same

> > > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in

> mind, but

> > > > I

> > > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what

> you had

> > > > in

> > > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear

> connection.

> > > > There

> > > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four

Budh

> AD

> > > > before

> > > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How

> did you

> > > > get

> > > > > > that conclusion?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > Maja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafalji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola

> Dasa? I

> > > > get

> > > > > > > the following Moola dasas:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056

> period

> > > > be

> > > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn

> is in

> > > > 8th?

> > > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers,

> then it

> > > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

> > > > involved

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the curse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa

> > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper

> remedy

> > > > and

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 26, 2008

kleem namah narasimhaaya

Dear Sundeep , Namaskar

If Sanjayji would be the author of software then the default would be

Lagna. Still I must change few settings after the default version to

get the calculation which I want them to be.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz / SJC

Teacher

www: http://rohinaa.com /

email:

rafal

vedicastrostudent pisze:

Dear Anurag,

Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about

to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points enabled

by *default*.

The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found

classical references that support his position - he must be quite

sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then

what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing

Narasimhaji's stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until

more

evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?

Thanks,

Sundeep

sohamsa ,

"Anurag Sharma"

<anuraagsharma27 wrote:

>

> |Om Bhargavaya Namah|

>

> Dear Readers,

>

> Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of

> discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao.

While

> Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from

the

> Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled

out the

> use of the other two reference points.

>

> PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and

Moon. He

> cited classical references for the same.

>

> I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference

> points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of

a

> cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point.

The

> discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.

>

> However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken

> together giving the most consistent results.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Anurag Sharma.

>

> http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

> <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>

>

> http://grahas.wordpress.com

<http://grahas.wordpress.com>

>

> sohamsa ,

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> >

> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar

> >

> > 1. Always only Lagna.

> > 2. No.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > www: http://rohinaa.com

/ email: rafal@

> >

> > vedicastrostudent pisze:

> > >

> > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,

> > > Pardon my ignorance but:

> > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the

reasoning as

> > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to

use Sun

and

> > > Moon too.

> > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers

me:

when

> > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are

their

Moola

> > > dasa results exchanged too?

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > sohamsa

<sohamsa%

40>,

> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>

/ email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > > > > Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly

confirming me that

> > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my

computer. I

get

> same

> > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question

I had in

mind, but

> > > I

> > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really

clear what

you had

> > > in

> > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no

clear

connection.

> > > There

> > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to

take Budh in

> > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was

also four Budh

AD

> > > before

> > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and

Sy MD. How

did you

> > > get

> > > > > that conclusion?

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > Maja

> > > > >

> > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa

> <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > "vedicastrostudent"

> > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafalji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050

through Moola

Dasa? I

> > > get

> > > > > > the following Moola dasas:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22

(14:45:50)

> > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22

(22:09:34)

> > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22

(23:27:32)

> > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22

(18:27:46)

> > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23

(8:34:18)

> > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23

(10:19:47)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt

the 2044-2056

period

> > > be

> > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse,

since Saturn

is in

> > > 8th?

> > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and

their cursers,

then it

> > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period,

since it isnt

> > > involved

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the curse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sohamsa

> > > <sohamsa%40>

<sohamsa%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native

and advice proper

remedy

> > > and

> > > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive

decorum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 26, 2008

Namaste friends,

Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma taught that the stronger of lagna, Moon

and Sun should be used in Moola dasa.

Based on the classical guidance as well as my experimentation, I am

convinced that the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun should be taken in

Moola dasa.

Defaults in JHora are based on my views. However, those holding a

different view can still change the settings and get what they want.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

>

> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> Dear Sundeep , Namaskar

>

> If Sanjayji would be the author of software then the default would be

> Lagna. Still I must change few settings after the default version to

get

> the calculation which I want them to be.

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal

>

> vedicastrostudent pisze:

> >

> > Dear Anurag,

> > Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about

> > to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points enabled

> > by *default*.

> >

> > The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found

> > classical references that support his position - he must be quite

> > sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then

> > what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing

> > Narasimhaji's stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more

> > evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>,

> > " Anurag Sharma "

> > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote:

> > >

> > > |Om Bhargavaya Namah|

> > >

> > > Dear Readers,

> > >

> > > Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of

> > > discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao.

> > While

> > > Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from

> > the

> > > Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled

> > out the

> > > use of the other two reference points.

> > >

> > > PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and

> > Moon. He

> > > cited classical references for the same.

> > >

> > > I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference

> > > points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of

> > a

> > > cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point.

> > The

> > > discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.

> > >

> > > However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken

> > > together giving the most consistent results.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Anurag Sharma.

> > >

> > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

> > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>

> > > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

> > <http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com>>

> > >

> > > http://grahas.wordpress.com <http://grahas.wordpress.com>

> > <http://grahas.wordpress.com <http://grahas.wordpress.com>>

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>,

> > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > 1. Always only Lagna.

> > > > 2. No.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@

> > > >

> > > > vedicastrostudent pisze:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,

> > > > > Pardon my ignorance but:

> > > > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the

> > reasoning as

> > > > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun

> > and

> > > > > Moon too.

> > > > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me:

> > when

> > > > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their

> > Moola

> > > > > dasa results exchanged too?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sundeep

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> > 40>,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher

> > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>

> > <http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,

> > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that

> > > > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I

> > get

> > > same

> > > > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in

> > mind, but

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what

> > you had

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear

> > connection.

> > > > > There

> > > > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in

> > > > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh

> > AD

> > > > > before

> > > > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How

> > did you

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > that conclusion?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > Maja

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > <sohamsa%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rafalji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola

> > Dasa? I

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > the following Moola dasas:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)

> > > > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)

> > > > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)

> > > > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)

> > > > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)

> > > > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056

> > period

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn

> > is in

> > > > > 8th?

> > > > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers,

> > then it

> > > > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt

> > > > > involved

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the curse.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sundeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sohamsa

> > <sohamsa%40>

> > > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*

> > > > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper

> > remedy

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 29, 2008

Dear Anurag,

just to clarify,

when you say "Moola Dasha when started from all the three reference points gives excellent results"

then you argue in favour of the strongest/r.p/ ONE- which is Narasimha's standpoint. Right?Regards,

Anna--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 wrote:

Anurag Sharma <anuraagsharma27 Re: Questions on Bandhana Yoga and Curses (Sundeep and Rafal Ji)sohamsa Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:14 PM

|Om Bhargavaya Namah|

Dear Sundeep,

Sanjay Ji's thoughts, and sometimes his thoughts have been provided to Shishya just to test their resolve and understanding, are contained in the discussion material below. I do not know more than the fact that in the research paper I mentioned, written by me for the JD, employed both starting the Dasha from the Lagna and starting the Moola Dasha from all the three reference points. Generally, the Moola Dasha when started from all the three reference points gives excellent results.

In my own case, as the chart carries the Curse of Moon, Visti's advise that Moon may then be included as a reference leads to the same Moola Dasha sequence as when it is computed with the Sun and Lagna. So, one cannot say. But I can tell you this: the Moola Dasha in my horoscope as too with several others that I worked with gives better results when started from all of Lagna, Moon and the Sun. As Narasimha has said, there is a lot more to this, but at the moment this is my view.

The Moola Dasha holds the key to the proper dynamic evaluation of the horoscope so it is of utmost importance to use it and also to apply it to a rectified Shashtyamsha Chakra. Narasimha Rao's excellent lecture recorded as an MP3 file must be used to facilitate one's understanding.

The discussion material(comments, emphasis and underlines mine) is given below my signature.

Best wishes,

Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com

http://grahas. wordpress. com

Dear Sanjay,

I used a rider you explicitly taught me when you taught me Moola dasa. In fact, this is explicitly mentioned in an article on Moola dasa on your website also:

http://srath. com/lessons/ advanced/ muladasa. htm

You wrote there: "In case the number of years to be subtracted and the number of years under the Vimsottari scheme are the same wherein the final figure would be zero, then take the full cycle of years under the Vimsottari dasa as the number of Moola dasa years of the said planet in the first cycle."

When I asked you for the reason, you said that you were not sure and that your guru taught you this way.

In the example chart of Sree Ramachandra used in the article, Moon is in Cancer just like in the chart below! You applied the rider and took Sree Ramachandra' s Moola dasa years to be 10 and not 0.

So JHora is simply doing what you taught me, what you taught on your website and also what you were taught by your gurudeva.

Is there a strong reason now for suddenly deviating from what you were taught by your gurudeva???

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In case this sudden change of mind is motivated by this particular example, let me give my 2 cents on this example.

You used to start Moola dasa from the stronger of lagna and Moon. I used to argue that it should be started from the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun, as both Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are extremely clear on the inclusion of Sun as a seed. We debated on the goups.

However, you publicly conceded a couple of years later that you were wrong and that Sun should also be included. I thought the matter stood resolved.

But I infer from the calculation you copied below that you are excluding Sun and taking only lagna and Moon as seeds. Otherwise, your calculations would've been different.

It could be due to an accidental change in the options or because of a change of mind again.

If it is because of a change of mind, please rethink. Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are very clear. Sun should not be ignored as a seed when trying to unearth the links of current life to past life karmas.

If it is an accidental change in the options, please change your Moola dasa options so that Sun is also considered as a seed along with lagna and Moon.

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If you consider lagna, Moon and Sun as the seeds, you will get the following calculations:

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

Maha Dasas:

Rah: 1982-06-23 (21:26:01) - 1991-06-24 (4:47:00) Sun: 1991-06-24 (4:47:00) - 1995-06-24 (5:23:06) Sat: 1995-06-24 (5:23:06) - 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) <<<< Mars: 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) - 2016-06-23 (14:41:47)

Saturn is with Badhak Mars in 9th and he aspects 8th lord Sun and Rahu. His aspect on Rahu, who afflicts Sun, is extremely close. Saturn is the link between the bad combinations in Vi and Ge. So Saturn dasa can certainly give the suffering. Moreover, Saturn is the 8th lord in lagna in D-30 (D-60 like D-30 that shows punishments) .

Thus, if you use Sun as a seed, you will be able to see the event clearly without having to change the rider taught by your gurudeva.

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanama stu,

Narasimha

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> om gurave namah> > Dear Narasimha> There is a error in the calculation of Mula dasa in Jagannath Hora. See this> case given by Lakshmi -> ============ => Male: paralysis - by wave> Natal Chart> June 23, 1982> Time: 9:26:00 pm> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 77 E 35' 00", 12 N 59' 00"> Bangalore, India> ============ ========> Event: He was hit by a wave in one of the beaches in Goa, which has left him> paralyzed waist > down. He is

totally dependent on his mother for even the basic of> his needs A surgery is slated to be performed in March'06.> ============ =======> Background: He has done his BE in Industrial Engginering. This unfortunate> incident happened on the 28th of June'2003 at Goa . He took his GRE> test after this accident and scored 2100/2400. He is keeping himself > engaged in trading of stocks and shares.> ============ =======> Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):> > Maha Dasas:> Jup: 1982-06-23 - 1996-06-23> Moon: 1996-06-23 - 2006-06-24 > Rah: 2006-06-24 - 2015-06-24> > ===========> Notes:> This is wrong as the Moon dasa should be for 0 years in the first cycle as> the Moon is in Cancer. Mula trikona of Moon is Taurus and counting

from> Cancer to Taurus we get 11 minus 1 gives us 10 years. So Mula dasa for first> cycle is 10 years (vimsottari) minus Mulatrikona correction of 10 years => Zero (0) years in the first cycle and 10 years in second cycle.> > The JHora software gives the first cycle as 10 years and second cycle as> zero years. Please make the change.> ============ ==> Reason:> The suffering is indicated by the combnation of Rahu and Saturn afflicting> the Sun in the 6th house (disease & suffering). Saturn is Atmakaraka and Sun> is 8th lord confirming Pitris shapa or the curse of the manes. This is> further confirmed by badhakesa Mars and Saturn conjoining the 9th house> causing grave misfortune and bringing a curse on the 9th house. All factors> confirm.> > The event should have occured in the 3rd part of Rahu Mula dasa from 1996 to>

2005.> ============ =====> Lakshmi Kary - Please note: Remedies advised shold be purely based on the> teachings of Parasara for curse of Pitris as given by the translations in> Vol 2. Kindly advise your student accordingly.> > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> Sanjay Rath

Jaya JagannathDear Narasimha,The tradition knows that the Sun represents the Atma which does not knowsorrow nor happiness. It merely observes all that is happening to gainknowledge. The Phalita Dasa's are basically the interaction of the body andMana with the environment and hence the Lagna or Moon should be considered.If you read Parasara carefully, then you will always find that the variousdasa's are focused to start from either Lagna or the Moon alone.Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has deviatedin a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given thepractise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this thread.Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to AyurDasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these types ofDasa's. Thus we really cannot say

that he advocated for starting from theSun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using thestronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity usingdifferent mathematical models.What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita Dasa?With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath-Narasimha Rao <pvr<vedic astrology@ >Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:26 PM[vedic astrology] Starting Moola dasa from Sun

(Re: Answer to GaryGomes on D-60)> Pranaam Gurudeva,>> > Please let me correct you about the starting of the Dasa.> Kalyan Verma> > said that he found the Satyacharya priciple of starting the Dasa> from the> > Lagna, Sun or Moon to be satisfactory and has also hinted at others> using> > different methods. The other method is to consider Moon and Lagna> alone and> > leave out the Sun. Try all and when in a doubt, prefer the Lagna or> Moon to> > the Sun sign i.e. if either the Sun or Lagna or Sun and Moon are of> equal> > strength, then choose the Lagna/Moon. That is my Upadesa (rather> traditional> > I can say).>> I remember what you said about Sun on telephone when you were in> US. I know that your teaching is to stricyly ignore Sun when> finding the Moola dasa starting

point.>> But, in several charts, I could explain the known past much better> with dasas starting from Sun than with lagna/Moon. Of course, it> may be because of my incorrect understanding of the application of> Moola dasa. However, I have the support of Kalyana Verma, son of> Varahamihira, Satyacharya etc. Because of this support, I can> confidently write what I believe in.>> Your sishya,> Narasimha

Pranaam Gurudeva,> Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya hasdeviated> in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has giventhe> practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up thisthread.> Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference toAyur> Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between thesetypes of> Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for startingfrom the> Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about usingthe> stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevityusing> different mathematical models.> What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting PhalitaDasa?I have already given my basis. Apart from Satyacharya (whom youseem to

reject saying he deviated in a number of points), thefollowing authors gave the same:(1) Varahamihira in "Brihajjaatakam" :"udaya ravi sasaanka praani kendraadi sansthaah".It means "planets in quadrants etc from the livelier (stronger)of lagna, Sun and Moon. The word "ravi" (Sun) is clearly used.(2) Prithu Yasas (son of Varahamihira) in "Hora Sara":"hora dinesa sasinaam prabalo bhavedyas-tatkantakaadishu gataa kathitaa dasesaah"It means "whoever is the strongest of lagna, Sun and Moon, theplanets in quadrants etc from him are said to be dasa lords."The word "dinesa" (lord of the daytime - Sun) is clearly used.(3) Kalyana Verma in "Saravali":"lagnaarka seeta rasmeenaamyo balee tasya chaagratahtatkendraadi sthitaanam cha"Again planets in quadrants etc from the strongest of lagna, Sunand Moon are referred. The word "arka" clearly means

Sun.Because 4 classics refer to this, following this view is, Ithink, justified. Moreover, I could explain known past withSun-initiated Moola dasa better than lagna/Moon-initiate dMoola dasa.None of the 4 references above says that this is only for ayurdasas. In fact, Kalyana Verma proceeds to give some resultswhich make one think that he considers it a phalita dasa.While I do know that Sun, Moon and lagna stand for soul, mindand body, I do not find it binding on the definition of dasas.Sun stands for many other things, including the vitality of anativity or achievements. I cannot presume that I understandthe rationale behind the definition of dasas well enough toconclude that a phalita dasa cannot be based on Sun.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

Jaya JagannathDear Narasimha,In my advise, you will notice that I also have not rejected the Sun. Iam only giving it a lower position for Phalita Dasa than the Lagna and Moon.You will appreciate that whereas the three are very important and form thetripod, in this World of Maya, the Atma is just passing through another ofits endless journeys. It is the Moon (Mana) and Lagna (Body) that are UNIQUEfor this particular Journey. The Atma (Sun) is old. The dasa from the Sunwould be more relevant if we are considering the Nisheka chart. I will teachall these things to you some day where you can judiciously pick the rightdasa for a particular chart. After all there are so many Dasa.We have just started the discussion on Dasa's and what I am teachingright now is the Vimsottari Dasa and here too the Lagna or Moon are used.The Sun is specifically left

out. The Moola Dasa is a derivative of theVimsottari (in a way) and there too the Sun does not enjoy as muchimportance as the Atma is old.With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath

parasmai çivajyotiñe namaù

Dear Jyotiña,

Thank you one and all, for your heartfelt felicitations on this beginning of a new year in my life. As the Saturn Müla daçä[AS1] ends it brings to an end the eighteen-year[AS2] curse of a great Brahmin[AS3] who we had caused frustration and sorrow. Having crossed that ocean of suffering, anger and frustration,[AS4] today we look back with tender thoughts to a period of great learning and salute the paraà guru symbolized by the Brahmin. Even in the period of suffering, the omnipotent soul did not fail in doing His duty in teaching me. In introspection, we deserved every suffering just as we must have caused (perhaps in another

life).

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): Self

Sun: 1963-08-07 ( 21:15:00 ) - 1968-08-07 ( 4:07:01 )

Ven: 1968-08-07 ( 4:07:01 ) - 1985-08-07 ( 12:37:37 ) – Napunsaka curse of spouse

Sat: 1985-08-07 ( 12:37:37 ) - 2003-08-08 ( 3:14:23 ) – Curse period

Ket: 2003-08-08 ( 3:14:23 ) - 2008-08-07 ( 10:01:52 ) – Matsya Yoga to function

Rah: 2008-08-07 ( 10:01:52 ) - 2017-08-07 ( 17:25:40 ) – Dhana yoga to function

Jup: 2017-08-07 ( 17:25:40 ) - 2024-08-07 ( 12:24:32 ) – Mahapuruña & Kalpadruma yoga

Mars: 2024-08-07 ( 12:24:32 ) - 2031-08-08 ( 7:32:15 ) – Yogada (+apamåtyu)

Merc: 2031-08-08 ( 7:32:15 ) - 2047-08-08 ( 9:52:16 ) – Sarada Yoga

Moon: 2047-08-08 ( 9:52:16 ) - 2054-08-08 ( 4:49:00 ) – The end

As the müla daçä of an exalted Ketu begins we have been filled with thoughts of how best to consolidate the jyotiña knowledge and my learning for the benefit of my students and all of you. Conferences are necessary points of sharing some thoughts and must continue although the response has been far from satisfactory. The economic downturn has been painful for everyone and it is understandable.

The need of the hour is to revive the direct learning in a gurukul. We promise you that this will be started in 2004 inspite of seemingly impossible odds. There is nothing taller than the sky that cannot be reached once the heart is set and the mind focused. With a sincere prayer to the sapta-åsi and Çré Mahamatsya avatar, we begin this journey to the USA . We has asked sarvätma Sürya for a sign and like the pure, enlightening rays of the sun, your wishes poured down on my birthday. Thank you. The rays of the real sun (ätma), which came from your hearts. I asked for a ray and the brilliant sunshine poured down from your hearts. Thank you again. We were going to speak openly on the

Atmakaraka and had been worried whether opening up the jyotisa secrets like this was right - you all have answered it. Sarvatma sury a has spoken from your hearts...to this there is no doubt. I salute the divine lord in your heart with all sincerity.

We have taken this promise to compile the best slokas in the form of a voluminous book series called `Brihajjyotiñ a saëgrahaà' and will complete this work in the next five years from 2003-08. Your good wishes and love is all that we need to continue in this path.

I remain,

At the feet of Çré Jagannätha

Sanjay Rath

Pranaam Sanjay,

Happy birthday a few days in advance! I guess you will be travelling at the time of your birthday and we will not be able to wish you.

I am glad you saw the end of the Moola dasa of Saturn, who is in Bhrashtamsa (fallen) in D-60 and shows multiple curses in rasi chart. Ketu, on the other hand, is well-placed in moolatrikona in D-60 in the 9th house of dharma. The dharma followed in last life (9th in D-60) will come to your rescue in this life and aid in the karma of this life (10th of rasi). All the very best for the Ketu dasa that just started!

BTW, talking about Moola dasa, I see from the calculations below that you are now using Sun along with Moon and lagna for starting the dasa. Sun is stronger than lagna and Moon in your rasi chart and you have rightly started dasas from Sun's quadrants below.

I don't know if you remember, but we had a big argument on the very same issue a couple of years back on the list. I insisted that Sun should be used if he is stronger than lagna and Moon, as Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas all taught the same. You deviated from the teachings of all these scholars and insisted that Sun should not be used as the seed. We argued but could not come to an agreement.

As all the ancient writers who covered Moola dasa taught that the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun should be used as the seed, I never had any doubt. I knew all along that you were wrong. I am glad that you have now chosen to start your Moola dasa from Sun!

Your Tithi Pravesha chart of 2003-04 looks good. But watch out during Mercury dasa. Mercury owns Kali sahamam and 8th house. He is in marana karaka sthana in 7th along with 2nd lord Jupiter. All this is good for astrology (2nd and 8th lords together and aspecting lagna!), but can suggest some physical danger too. Whenever the 8th lord occupies 7th in any TP chart, I saw that his dasa would bring some suffering. Here kali sahamam also goes into 8th. At the time the new year starts ( 14th Aug 2003 , 7:06 pm IST), please try to pray to Lakshmi and Vishnu for relief from this bad placement (not only Mercury, but Venus is also in marana karaka sthana).

Except this, the year is great. There is Chandra-Mangala yoga, Gaja-Kesari yoga and Guru-Mangala yoga on lagna-7th axis and lagna lord is in a trine in the house of an adhimitra. This will be a great year and all the very best!

Your sishya,Narasimha

[AS1]Computed from Lagna, Sun and Moon!

[AS2]Dasha period.

[AS3]Great because the benefic forms Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga in Lagna in Meena Rashi.

[AS4]Saturn (suffering and frustration) and Mars (anger) aspect Guru with Graha Drishti.

sohamsa@ .com, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Anurag,> Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about > to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points enabled > by *default*. > > The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found > classical references that support his position - he must be quite > sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then > what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing > Narasimhaji' s stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more > evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?> > Thanks,> > Sundeep> > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "Anurag Sharma" > anuraagsharma27@ wrote:> >> > > > >

> |Om Bhargavaya Namah|> > > > Dear Readers,> > > > Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of> > discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao. > While> > Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from > the> > Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled > out the> > use of the other two reference points.> > > > PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and > Moon. He> > cited classical references for the same.> > > > I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference> > points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of > a> > cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point. > The> > discussion is far from

over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.> > > > However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken> > together giving the most consistent results.> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Anurag Sharma.> > > > http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com> > <http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com>> > > > http://grahas. wordpress. com <http://grahas. wordpress. com>> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar> > >> > > 1. Always only Lagna.> > > 2. No.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa.

com / email: rafal@> > >> > >> > > vedicastrostudent pisze:> > > >> > > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,> > > > Pardon my ignorance but:> > > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the > reasoning as> > > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun > and> > > > Moon too.> > > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me: > when> > > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their > Moola> > > > dasa results exchanged too?> > > >> > > > Thank you,> > > >> > > > Sundeep> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> 40. com>,> > > > Rafal

Gendarz starsuponme@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > First for

Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that> > > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I > get> > same> > > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in > mind, but> > > > I> > > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.> > > > > >> > > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what > you had> > > > in> > > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear > connection.> > > > There> > > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in> > > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh > AD> > > > before> > > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in

Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How > did you> > > > get> > > > > > that conclusion?> > > > > >> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > Maja> > > > > >> > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com> > <sohamsa% 40. com>> > > > <sohamsa%> > > > 40. com>,> > > > > > "vedicastrostudent"> > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Rafalji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola > Dasa? I> > > > get> > >

> > > > the following Moola dasas:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)> > > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)> > > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)> > > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)> > > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)> > > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 > period> > > > be> > > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn > is in> > > > 8th?> > > > > > >

Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, > then it> > > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt> > > > involved> > > > > > in> > > > > > > the curse.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sundeep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com> > > > <sohamsa% 40. com> <sohamsa%> > > > 40. com>,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > > >

Dear Maja , Namaskar> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper > remedy> > > > and> > > > > > at> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

July 3, 2008

sohamsa , 108ar <bona_mente wrote:>|Om Bhargavaya Namah|

Hello Anna,

Yes. That would be correct.

Regards,

Anurag Sharma

http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com

http://grahas.wordpress.com

> > Dear Anurag,> just to clarify,> when you say "Moola Dasha when started from all the three reference points gives excellent results" > then you argue in favour of the strongest/r.p/ ONE- which is Narasimha's standpoint. Right?> Regards,> Anna> > --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Anurag Sharma anuraagsharma27 wrote:> > Anurag Sharma anuraagsharma27 Re: Questions on Bandhana Yoga and Curses (Sundeep and Rafal Ji)> sohamsa > Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:14 PM> > > > > > > > |Om Bhargavaya Namah|> Dear Sundeep,> Sanjay Ji's thoughts, and sometimes his thoughts have been provided to Shishya just to test their resolve and understanding, are contained in the discussion material below. I do not know more than the fact that in the research paper I mentioned, written by me for the JD, employed both starting the Dasha from the Lagna and starting the Moola Dasha from all the three reference points. Generally, the Moola Dasha when started from all the three reference points gives excellent results.> In my own case, as the chart carries the Curse of Moon, Visti's advise that Moon may then be included as a reference leads to the same Moola Dasha sequence as when it is computed with the Sun and Lagna. So, one cannot say. But I can tell you this: the Moola Dasha in my horoscope as too with several others that I worked with gives better results when started from all of Lagna, Moon and the Sun. As Narasimha has said, there is a lot more to this, but at the moment this is my view.> The Moola Dasha holds the key to the proper dynamic evaluation of the horoscope so it is of utmost importance to use it and also to apply it to a rectified Shashtyamsha Chakra. Narasimha Rao's excellent lecture recorded as an MP3 file must be used to facilitate one's understanding.> The discussion material(comments, emphasis and underlines mine) is given below my signature.> Best wishes,> Anurag Sharma> http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com> http://grahas. wordpress. com> Dear Sanjay,> > I used a rider you explicitly taught me when you taught me Moola dasa. In fact, this is explicitly mentioned in an article on Moola dasa on your website also:> > http://srath. com/lessons/ advanced/ muladasa. htm> > You wrote there: "In case the number of years to be subtracted and the number of years under the Vimsottari scheme are the same wherein the final figure would be zero, then take the full cycle of years under the Vimsottari dasa as the number of Moola dasa years of the said planet in the first cycle."> > When I asked you for the reason, you said that you were not sure and that your guru taught you this way.> > In the example chart of Sree Ramachandra used in the article, Moon is in Cancer just like in the chart below! You applied the rider and took Sree Ramachandra' s Moola dasa years to be 10 and not 0.> > So JHora is simply doing what you taught me, what you taught on your website and also what you were taught by your gurudeva.> > Is there a strong reason now for suddenly deviating from what you were taught by your gurudeva???> > * * *> > In case this sudden change of mind is motivated by this particular example, let me give my 2 cents on this example.> > You used to start Moola dasa from the stronger of lagna and Moon. I used to argue that it should be started from the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun, as both Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are extremely clear on the inclusion of Sun as a seed. We debated on the goups.> > However, you publicly conceded a couple of years later that you were wrong and that Sun should also be included. I thought the matter stood resolved.> > But I infer from the calculation you copied below that you are excluding Sun and taking only lagna and Moon as seeds. Otherwise, your calculations would've been different.> > It could be due to an accidental change in the options or because of a change of mind again.> > If it is because of a change of mind, please rethink. Varahamihira and Kalyana Verma are very clear. Sun should not be ignored as a seed when trying to unearth the links of current life to past life karmas.> > If it is an accidental change in the options, please change your Moola dasa options so that Sun is also considered as a seed along with lagna and Moon.> > * * *> > If you consider lagna, Moon and Sun as the seeds, you will get the following calculations:> > Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):> > Maha Dasas:> > Rah: 1982-06-23 (21:26:01) - 1991-06-24 (4:47:00)> Sun: 1991-06-24 (4:47:00) - 1995-06-24 (5:23:06)> Sat: 1995-06-24 (5:23:06) - 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) <<<<> Mars: 2009-06-23 (19:30:23) - 2016-06-23 (14:41:47)> > Saturn is with Badhak Mars in 9th and he aspects 8th lord Sun and Rahu. His aspect on Rahu, who afflicts Sun, is extremely close. Saturn is the link between the bad combinations in Vi and Ge. So Saturn dasa can certainly give the suffering. Moreover, Saturn is the 8th lord in lagna in D-30 (D-60 like D-30 that shows punishments) .> > Thus, if you use Sun as a seed, you will be able to see the event clearly without having to change the rider taught by your gurudeva.> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanama stu, > Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------> > > om gurave namah> > > > Dear Narasimha> > There is a error in the calculation of Mula dasa in Jagannath Hora. See this> > case given by Lakshmi -> > ============ => > Male: paralysis - by wave> > Natal Chart> > June 23, 1982> > Time: 9:26:00 pm> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 77 E 35' 00", 12 N 59' 00"> > Bangalore, India> > ============ ========> > Event: He was hit by a wave in one of the beaches in Goa, which has left him> > paralyzed waist > > down. He is totally dependent on his mother for even the basic of> > his needs A surgery is slated to be performed in March'06.> > ============ =======> > Background: He has done his BE in Industrial Engginering. This unfortunate> > incident happened on the 28th of June'2003 at Goa . He took his GRE> > test after this accident and scored 2100/2400. He is keeping himself > > engaged in trading of stocks and shares.> > ============ =======> > Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):> > > > Maha Dasas:> > Jup: 1982-06-23 - 1996-06-23> > Moon: 1996-06-23 - 2006-06-24 > > Rah: 2006-06-24 - 2015-06-24> > > > ===========> > Notes:> > This is wrong as the Moon dasa should be for 0 years in the first cycle as> > the Moon is in Cancer. Mula trikona of Moon is Taurus and counting from> > Cancer to Taurus we get 11 minus 1 gives us 10 years. So Mula dasa for first> > cycle is 10 years (vimsottari) minus Mulatrikona correction of 10 years => > Zero (0) years in the first cycle and 10 years in second cycle.> > > > The JHora software gives the first cycle as 10 years and second cycle as> > zero years. Please make the change.> > ============ ==> > Reason:> > The suffering is indicated by the combnation of Rahu and Saturn afflicting> > the Sun in the 6th house (disease & suffering). Saturn is Atmakaraka and Sun> > is 8th lord confirming Pitris shapa or the curse of the manes. This is> > further confirmed by badhakesa Mars and Saturn conjoining the 9th house> > causing grave misfortune and bringing a curse on the 9th house. All factors> > confirm.> > > > The event should have occured in the 3rd part of Rahu Mula dasa from 1996 to> > 2005.> > ============ =====> > Lakshmi Kary - Please note: Remedies advised shold be purely based on the> > teachings of Parasara for curse of Pitris as given by the translations in> > Vol 2. Kindly advise your student accordingly.> > > > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> > Sanjay Rath> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Narasimha,> The tradition knows that the Sun represents the Atma which does not know> sorrow nor happiness. It merely observes all that is happening to gain> knowledge. The Phalita Dasa's are basically the interaction of the body and> Mana with the environment and hence the Lagna or Moon should be considered.> If you read Parasara carefully, then you will always find that the various> dasa's are focused to start from either Lagna or the Moon alone.> Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has deviated> in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given the> practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this thread.> Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to Ayur> Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these types of> Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting from the> Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using the> stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity using> different mathematical models.> What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita Dasa?> With Best Wishes,> Sanjay Rath> -> Narasimha Rao pvr@> <vedic astrology@ >> Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:26 PM> [vedic astrology] Starting Moola dasa from Sun (Re: Answer to Gary> Gomes on D-60)> > > > Pranaam Gurudeva,> >> > > Please let me correct you about the starting of the Dasa.> > Kalyan Verma> > > said that he found the Satyacharya priciple of starting the Dasa> > from the> > > Lagna, Sun or Moon to be satisfactory and has also hinted at others> > using> > > different methods. The other method is to consider Moon and Lagna> > alone and> > > leave out the Sun. Try all and when in a doubt, prefer the Lagna or> > Moon to> > > the Sun sign i.e. if either the Sun or Lagna or Sun and Moon are of> > equal> > > strength, then choose the Lagna/Moon. That is my Upadesa (rather> > traditional> > > I can say).> >> > I remember what you said about Sun on telephone when you were in> > US. I know that your teaching is to stricyly ignore Sun when> > finding the Moola dasa starting point.> >> > But, in several charts, I could explain the known past much better> > with dasas starting from Sun than with lagna/Moon. Of course, it> > may be because of my incorrect understanding of the application of> > Moola dasa. However, I have the support of Kalyana Verma, son of> > Varahamihira, Satyacharya etc. Because of this support, I can> > confidently write what I believe in.> >> > Your sishya,> > Narasimha> > Pranaam Gurudeva,> > > Varahamihira also held a similar traditional view. Satyacharya has> deviated> > in a number of points. Some of these are very useful as he has given> the> > practise among astrologers of his days. Kalyan Verma picks up this> thread.> > Actually the stanza quoted by kalyan Verma was with reference to> Ayur> > Dasa and not to Phalita Dasa. there is a clear line between these> types of> > Dasa's. Thus we really cannot say that he advocated for starting> from the> > Sun in Phalita Dasa like the Moola Dasa. He was talking about using> the> > stronger between the Sun, Moon and Lagna to calculate the longevity> using> > different mathematical models.> > What is the basis for your advocacy of Sun for starting Phalita> Dasa?> > > I have already given my basis. Apart from Satyacharya (whom you> seem to reject saying he deviated in a number of points), the> following authors gave the same:> > (1) Varahamihira in "Brihajjaatakam" :> > "udaya ravi sasaanka praani kendraadi sansthaah".> > It means "planets in quadrants etc from the livelier (stronger)> of lagna, Sun and Moon. The word "ravi" (Sun) is clearly used.> > (2) Prithu Yasas (son of Varahamihira) in "Hora Sara":> > "hora dinesa sasinaam prabalo bhavedyas-> tatkantakaadishu gataa kathitaa dasesaah"> > It means "whoever is the strongest of lagna, Sun and Moon, the> planets in quadrants etc from him are said to be dasa lords."> > The word "dinesa" (lord of the daytime - Sun) is clearly used.> > (3) Kalyana Verma in "Saravali":> > "lagnaarka seeta rasmeenaam> yo balee tasya chaagratah> tatkendraadi sthitaanam cha"> > Again planets in quadrants etc from the strongest of lagna, Sun> and Moon are referred. The word "arka" clearly means Sun.> > Because 4 classics refer to this, following this view is, I> think, justified. Moreover, I could explain known past with> Sun-initiated Moola dasa better than lagna/Moon-initiate d> Moola dasa.> > None of the 4 references above says that this is only for ayur> dasas. In fact, Kalyana Verma proceeds to give some results> which make one think that he considers it a phalita dasa.> > While I do know that Sun, Moon and lagna stand for soul, mind> and body, I do not find it binding on the definition of dasas.> Sun stands for many other things, including the vitality of a> nativity or achievements. I cannot presume that I understand> the rationale behind the definition of dasas well enough to> conclude that a phalita dasa cannot be based on Sun.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Narasimha,> In my advise, you will notice that I also have not rejected the Sun. I> am only giving it a lower position for Phalita Dasa than the Lagna and Moon.> You will appreciate that whereas the three are very important and form the> tripod, in this World of Maya, the Atma is just passing through another of> its endless journeys. It is the Moon (Mana) and Lagna (Body) that are UNIQUE> for this particular Journey. The Atma (Sun) is old. The dasa from the Sun> would be more relevant if we are considering the Nisheka chart. I will teach> all these things to you some day where you can judiciously pick the right> dasa for a particular chart. After all there are so many Dasa.> We have just started the discussion on Dasa's and what I am teaching> right now is the Vimsottari Dasa and here too the Lagna or Moon are used.> The Sun is specifically left out. The Moola Dasa is a derivative of the> Vimsottari (in a way) and there too the Sun does not enjoy as much> importance as the Atma is old.> With Best Wishes,> Sanjay Rath> > parasmai çivajyotiñe namaù> Dear Jyotiña,> > Thank you one and all, for your heartfelt felicitations on this beginning of a new year in my life. As the Saturn Müla daçä[AS1] ends it brings to an end the eighteen-year[AS2] curse of a great Brahmin[AS3] who we had caused frustration and sorrow. Having crossed that ocean of suffering, anger and frustration,[AS4] today we look back with tender thoughts to a period of great learning and salute the paraà guru symbolized by the Brahmin. Even in the period of suffering, the omnipotent soul did not fail in doing His duty in teaching me. In introspection, we deserved every suffering just as we must have caused (perhaps in another life). > > Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma): Self> > Sun: 1963-08-07 ( 21:15:00 ) - 1968-08-07 ( 4:07:01 )> Ven: 1968-08-07 ( 4:07:01 ) - 1985-08-07 ( 12:37:37 ) – Napunsaka curse of spouse> Sat: 1985-08-07 ( 12:37:37 ) - 2003-08-08 ( 3:14:23 ) – Curse period> Ket: 2003-08-08 ( 3:14:23 ) - 2008-08-07 ( 10:01:52 ) – Matsya Yoga to function> Rah: 2008-08-07 ( 10:01:52 ) - 2017-08-07 ( 17:25:40 ) – Dhana yoga to function> Jup: 2017-08-07 ( 17:25:40 ) - 2024-08-07 ( 12:24:32 ) – Mahapuruña & Kalpadruma yoga > Mars: 2024-08-07 ( 12:24:32 ) - 2031-08-08 ( 7:32:15 ) – Yogada (+apamåtyu)> Merc: 2031-08-08 ( 7:32:15 ) - 2047-08-08 ( 9:52:16 ) – Sarada Yoga> Moon: 2047-08-08 ( 9:52:16 ) - 2054-08-08 ( 4:49:00 ) – The end> > As the müla daçä of an exalted Ketu begins we have been filled with thoughts of how best to consolidate the jyotiña knowledge and my learning for the benefit of my students and all of you. Conferences are necessary points of sharing some thoughts and must continue although the response has been far from satisfactory. The economic downturn has been painful for everyone and it is understandable. > > The need of the hour is to revive the direct learning in a gurukul. We promise you that this will be started in 2004 inspite of seemingly impossible odds. There is nothing taller than the sky that cannot be reached once the heart is set and the mind focused. With a sincere prayer to the sapta-åsi and Çré Mahamatsya avatar, we begin this journey to the USA . We has asked sarvätma Sürya for a sign and like the pure, enlightening rays of the sun, your wishes poured down on my birthday. Thank you. The rays of the real sun (ätma), which came from your hearts. I asked for a ray and the brilliant sunshine poured down from your hearts. Thank you again. We were going to speak openly on the Atmakaraka and had been worried whether opening up the jyotisa secrets like this was right - you all have answered it. Sarvatma sury a has spoken from your hearts...to this there is no doubt. I salute the divine lord in your heart with all sincerity.> > We have taken this promise to compile the best slokas in the form of a voluminous book series called `Brihajjyotiñ a saëgrahaà' and will complete this work in the next five years from 2003-08. Your good wishes and love is all that we need to continue in this path. > > I remain,> At the feet of Çré Jagannätha> Sanjay Rath> > Pranaam Sanjay,> > Happy birthday a few days in advance! I guess you will be travelling at the time of your birthday and we will not be able to wish you.> > I am glad you saw the end of the Moola dasa of Saturn, who is in Bhrashtamsa (fallen) in D-60 and shows multiple curses in rasi chart. Ketu, on the other hand, is well-placed in moolatrikona in D-60 in the 9th house of dharma. The dharma followed in last life (9th in D-60) will come to your rescue in this life and aid in the karma of this life (10th of rasi). All the very best for the Ketu dasa that just started!> > BTW, talking about Moola dasa, I see from the calculations below that you are now using Sun along with Moon and lagna for starting the dasa. Sun is stronger than lagna and Moon in your rasi chart and you have rightly started dasas from Sun's quadrants below.> > I don't know if you remember, but we had a big argument on the very same issue a couple of years back on the list. I insisted that Sun should be used if he is stronger than lagna and Moon, as Varahamihira, Kalyana Verma and Prithu Yasas all taught the same. You deviated from the teachings of all these scholars and insisted that Sun should not be used as the seed. We argued but could not come to an agreement.> > As all the ancient writers who covered Moola dasa taught that the stronger of lagna, Moon and Sun should be used as the seed, I never had any doubt. I knew all along that you were wrong. I am glad that you have now chosen to start your Moola dasa from Sun!> > Your Tithi Pravesha chart of 2003-04 looks good. But watch out during Mercury dasa. Mercury owns Kali sahamam and 8th house. He is in marana karaka sthana in 7th along with 2nd lord Jupiter. All this is good for astrology (2nd and 8th lords together and aspecting lagna!), but can suggest some physical danger too. Whenever the 8th lord occupies 7th in any TP chart, I saw that his dasa would bring some suffering. Here kali sahamam also goes into 8th. At the time the new year starts ( 14th Aug 2003 , 7:06 pm IST), please try to pray to Lakshmi and Vishnu for relief from this bad placement (not only Mercury, but Venus is also in marana karaka sthana).> > Except this, the year is great. There is Chandra-Mangala yoga, Gaja-Kesari yoga and Guru-Mangala yoga on lagna-7th axis and lagna lord is in a trine in the house of an adhimitra. This will be a great year and all the very best!> > Your sishya,> Narasimha> > > > > > > [AS1]Computed from Lagna, Sun and Moon!> > > [AS2]Dasha period.> > > [AS3]Great because the benefic forms Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga in Lagna in Meena Rashi. > > > [AS4]Saturn (suffering and frustration) and Mars (anger) aspect Guru with Graha Drishti. > > sohamsa@ .com, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Anurag,> > Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I was just about > > to ask Rafalji why Jhora then had all three reference points enabled > > by *default*. > > > > The only question that remains is: If Narasimhaji has found > > classical references that support his position - he must be quite > > sure of them to have included them as *defaults* in JHora - then > > what is it that stops Vistiji and Sanjayji from endorsing > > Narasimhaji' s stance? Is this simply a matter of waiting until more > > evidence is gathered or is there some strong counterpoint?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Sundeep> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, "Anurag Sharma" > > anuraagsharma27@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > |Om Bhargavaya Namah|> > > > > > Dear Readers,> > > > > > Regarding computation of the Moola Dasha, there has been a lot of> > > discussion, primarily between Sanjay Ji and PVR Narasimha Rao. > > While> > > Sanjay Ji has stated that the Moola Dasha ought to be started from > > the> > > Lagna, he has clarified in the same email that he has not ruled > > out the> > > use of the other two reference points.> > > > > > PVR Narasimha Rao has always used all three of Lagna, Sun and > > Moon. He> > > cited classical references for the same.> > > > > > I attempted a paper on the subject and tried the various reference> > > points. There was a thought from Visti Larsen that in the event of > > a> > > cursed Chandra, the Moon could also be used as a reference point. > > The> > > discussion is far from over and Narasimha Rao has said as much.> > > > > > However, I have found all three of Lagna, Sun and Moon when taken> > > together giving the most consistent results.> > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > Anurag Sharma.> > > > > > http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com> > > <http://www.planetar ytransformation. blogspot. com>> > > > > > http://grahas. wordpress. com <http://grahas. wordpress. com>> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar> > > >> > > > 1. Always only Lagna.> > > > 2. No.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > >> > > >> > > > vedicastrostudent pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Rafalji and Maja,> > > > > Pardon my ignorance but:> > > > > 1) Could you refer me to the place where I can find the > > reasoning as> > > > > to when to use only Lagna as candidate and/or when to use Sun > > and> > > > > Moon too.> > > > > 2) Separately, another Moola dasa question which bothers me: > > when> > > > > there is Parivartana between grahas is Rasi chart, are their > > Moola> > > > > dasa results exchanged too?> > > > >> > > > > Thank you,> > > > >> > > > > Sundeep> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40. com>,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar> > > > > >> > > > > > Use only Lagna as candidate.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > majastrbacastro pisze:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sundeep and Rafal Ji,> > > > > > > Namaste> > > > > > >> > > > > > > First for Sundeep: thanks for indirectly confirming me that> > > > > > > everything is o.k. with JH preferences on my computer. I > > get> > > same> > > > > > > dasas. You asked precicesly the same question I had in > > mind, but> > > > > I> > > > > > > first wanted to be sure if dasas were same.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So, Rafal Ji: same question. I am not really clear what > > you had> > > > > in> > > > > > > mind with this prediction, because I see no clear > > connection.> > > > > There> > > > > > > were AD for Sa, Ma (if you rather prefer to take Budh in> > > > > > > consideration instead, then fine, there was also four Budh > > AD> > > > > before> > > > > > > 2009.), Gu and so on, even in Sk, Ch, Ma and Sy MD. How > > did you> > > > > get> > > > > > > that conclusion?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > > Maja> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com> > > <sohamsa% 40. com>> > > > > <sohamsa%> > > > > 40. com>,> > > > > > > "vedicastrostudent"> > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Rafalji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > How do you get the timing from 2009-2050 through Moola > > Dasa? I> > > > > get> > > > > > > > the following Moola dasas:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mars: 2003-02-22 (20:16:13) - 2006-02-22 (14:45:50)> > > > > > > > Merc: 2006-02-22 (14:45:50) - 2015-02-22 (22:09:34)> > > > > > > > Jup: 2015-02-22 (22:09:34) - 2023-02-22 (23:27:32)> > > > > > > > Ket: 2023-02-22 (23:27:32) - 2030-02-22 (18:27:46)> > > > > > > > Rah: 2030-02-22 (18:27:46) - 2044-02-23 (8:34:18)> > > > > > > > Sat: 2044-02-23 (8:34:18) - 2056-02-23 (10:19:47)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Per the simple Moola dasa rules, shouldnt the 2044-2056 > > period> > > > > be> > > > > > > > the period that brings the primary curse, since Saturn > > is in> > > > > 8th?> > > > > > > > Even if you take all cursed planets and their cursers, > > then it> > > > > > > > should be 2003-2056, minus Rahu's period, since it isnt> > > > > involved> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > the curse.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sundeep> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com> > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com> <sohamsa%> > > > > 40. com>,> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > > > > Dear Maja , Namaskar> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. The idea is to warn the native and advice proper > > remedy> > > > > and> > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same time to maintain the positive decorum.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Moola dasa> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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