Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste This is from your email: " So we should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) " Can you please add which arudha (A5/A9) in Rasi chart should be observed for children in following cases? Odd lagna/Female native Even lagna/Female native Odd lagna/Male native Even lagna/Male native This question is for just in case if gender of native has any significance in choice. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes more > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), AL > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So we > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from AK > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows how/if you > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what does > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - 4,2,11 etc). > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one treats > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to Maja - > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants to > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, even > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is in > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that during my > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously didnt > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to change my > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently > > plant " the right desires " and remove the " wrong desires " (in my > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is why I > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, and > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the mind > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha are > > most > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha which > > is > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > rajasambandha > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are > > fully > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of > > course > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but > > there are > > > more points to check. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% > > attitude > > > > issue of " giving up " . What AK represents for native, same is PK > > for > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different > > between > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) which can > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe huge > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in that > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and A5. > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not listen > > to > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > " vedicastrostudent " > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I > > just > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so please > > > > excuse > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > relationship > > > > of > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you see the > > > > real > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. I am > > > > > confused as to what this " real attitude " means. For example, > > if a > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th > > from > > > > AK, > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude > > toward > > > > > her children is of " giving up " ? Because that doesnt seem to be > > the > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and > > since > > > > the > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead create > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given up? So > > my > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > experience, do > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each other? If > > AK > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? To > > make > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for > > example, > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar Odd Lagna Male, Even Lagna Female - a5 Odd Lagna Female, Even Lagna Male - a9. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Maja Strbac pisze: Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, Namaste This is from your email: "So we should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna)" Can you please add which arudha (A5/A9) in Rasi chart should be observed for children in following cases? Odd lagna/Female native Even lagna/Female native Odd lagna/Male native Even lagna/Male native This question is for just in case if gender of native has any significance in choice. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes more > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), AL > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So we > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from AK > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows how/if you > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what does > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - 4,2,11 etc). > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one treats > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to Maja - > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants to > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, even > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is in > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that during my > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously didnt > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to change my > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently > > plant "the right desires" and remove the "wrong desires" (in my > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is why I > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, and > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the mind > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha are > > most > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha which > > is > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > rajasambandha > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are > > fully > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of > > course > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but > > there are > > > more points to check. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% > > attitude > > > > issue of "giving up". What AK represents for native, same is PK > > for > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different > > between > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) which can > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe huge > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in that > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and A5. > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not listen > > to > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > "vedicastrostudent" > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I > > just > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so please > > > > excuse > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > relationship > > > > of > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you see the > > > > real > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. I am > > > > > confused as to what this "real attitude" means. For example, > > if a > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th > > from > > > > AK, > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude > > toward > > > > > her children is of "giving up"? Because that doesnt seem to be > > the > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and > > since > > > > the > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead create > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given up? So > > my > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > experience, do > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each other? If > > AK > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? To > > make > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for > > example, > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal Ji, Thank you! (So, same criteria like for D7) Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Odd Lagna Male, Even Lagna Female - a5 > > Odd Lagna Female, Even Lagna Male - a9. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > This is from your email: > > > > " So we should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) " > > > > Can you please add which arudha (A5/A9) in Rasi chart should be > > observed for children in following cases? > > > > Odd lagna/Female native > > Even lagna/Female native > > > > Odd lagna/Male native > > Even lagna/Male native > > > > This question is for just in case if gender of native has any > > significance in choice. > > > > Regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes > > more > > > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), > > AL > > > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So > > we > > > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is > > > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from > > AK > > > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > > > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows > > how/if you > > > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what > > does > > > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - > > 4,2,11 etc). > > > > > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one > > treats > > > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a > > > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to > > Maja - > > > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is > > > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) > > > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the > > > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants > > to > > > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, > > even > > > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is > > in > > > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that > > during my > > > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously > > didnt > > > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to > > change my > > > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently > > > > plant " the right desires " and remove the " wrong desires " (in my > > > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is > > why I > > > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more > > > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The > > > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, > > and > > > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the > > mind > > > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha > > are > > > > most > > > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha > > which > > > > is > > > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > > > rajasambandha > > > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are > > > > fully > > > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of > > > > course > > > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but > > > > there are > > > > > more points to check. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% > > > > attitude > > > > > > issue of " giving up " . What AK represents for native, same is > > PK > > > > for > > > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different > > > > between > > > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) > > which can > > > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe > > huge > > > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in > > that > > > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and > > A5. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not > > listen > > > > to > > > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa% > > 40> > > > > <sohamsa% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I > > > > just > > > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so > > please > > > > > > excuse > > > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > > > relationship > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you > > see the > > > > > > real > > > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. > > I am > > > > > > > confused as to what this " real attitude " means. For > > example, > > > > if a > > > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th > > > > from > > > > > > AK, > > > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude > > > > toward > > > > > > > her children is of " giving up " ? Because that doesnt seem > > to be > > > > the > > > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and > > > > since > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead > > create > > > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given > > up? So > > > > my > > > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > > > experience, do > > > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each > > other? If > > > > AK > > > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? > > To > > > > make > > > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for > > > > example, > > > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Maja, Namaskar Not exactly Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal Maja Strbac pisze: Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal Ji, Thank you! (So, same criteria like for D7) Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Odd Lagna Male, Even Lagna Female - a5 > > Odd Lagna Female, Even Lagna Male - a9. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaste > > > > This is from your email: > > > > "So we should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna)" > > > > Can you please add which arudha (A5/A9) in Rasi chart should be > > observed for children in following cases? > > > > Odd lagna/Female native > > Even lagna/Female native > > > > Odd lagna/Male native > > Even lagna/Male native > > > > This question is for just in case if gender of native has any > > significance in choice. > > > > Regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It becomes > > more > > > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L (take), > > AL > > > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. So > > we > > > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord is > > > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju from > > AK > > > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > > > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows > > how/if you > > > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what > > does > > > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - > > 4,2,11 etc). > > > > > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one > > treats > > > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it takes a > > > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to > > Maja - > > > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? AK is > > > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind (manas) > > > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take the > > > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna wants > > to > > > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to listen, > > even > > > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK is > > in > > > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that > > during my > > > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I consciously > > didnt > > > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to > > change my > > > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and gently > > > > plant "the right desires" and remove the "wrong desires" (in my > > > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This is > > why I > > > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less enlightened/more > > > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the mind. The > > > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the king, > > and > > > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the > > mind > > > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi sambandha > > are > > > > most > > > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha > > which > > > > is > > > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > > > rajasambandha > > > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which are > > > > fully > > > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka replacement). Of > > > > course > > > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children but > > > > there are > > > > > more points to check. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really 100% > > > > attitude > > > > > > issue of "giving up". What AK represents for native, same is > > PK > > > > for > > > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important experiences > > > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very different > > > > between > > > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) > > which can > > > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also describe > > huge > > > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, so in > > that > > > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL and > > A5. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not > > listen > > > > to > > > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa% > > 40> > > > > <sohamsa% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > "vedicastrostudent" > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to one of > > > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly wrong, I > > > > just > > > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so > > please > > > > > > excuse > > > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > > > relationship > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you > > see the > > > > > > real > > > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the charakaraka. > > I am > > > > > > > confused as to what this "real attitude" means. For > > example, > > > > if a > > > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in 12th > > > > from > > > > > > AK, > > > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious attitude > > > > toward > > > > > > > her children is of "giving up"? Because that doesnt seem > > to be > > > > the > > > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude and > > > > since > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might instead > > create > > > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given > > up? So > > > > my > > > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > > > experience, do > > > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each > > other? If > > > > AK > > > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create Rajayoga? > > To > > > > make > > > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, for > > > > example, > > > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal Ji, Namaste Now what? If it is more than criteria Sani/Guru on lagna in D7... Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > Not exactly > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > Thank you! > > > > (So, same criteria like for D7) > > > > Regards, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Maja, Namaskar > > > > > > Odd Lagna Male, Even Lagna Female - a5 > > > > > > Odd Lagna Female, Even Lagna Male - a9. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > This is from your email: > > > > > > > > " So we should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) " > > > > > > > > Can you please add which arudha (A5/A9) in Rasi chart should be > > > > observed for children in following cases? > > > > > > > > Odd lagna/Female native > > > > Even lagna/Female native > > > > > > > > Odd lagna/Male native > > > > Even lagna/Male native > > > > > > > > This question is for just in case if gender of native has any > > > > significance in choice. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> > > <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > CK's are more to desire, Arudhas more to circumstance. It > > becomes > > > > more > > > > > clear when you will learn about yogas having argala on L > > (take), > > > > AL > > > > > (form), AK (desire). It relates also to three types of shakti. > > So > > > > we > > > > > should see where the A5/A9 (depending on oddity of Lagna) lord > > is > > > > > placed from Atmakaraka. We should also see 5L/9L, PK and Ju > > from > > > > AK > > > > > (focusing on mks/pachakadi) and then AK,LL from PK (also same 2 > > > > > sambandhas). Lagna yogas shows circumstance/action, AL shows > > > > how/if you > > > > > will benefit from this, AK shows how you deal with that or what > > > > does > > > > > this make to you (make you bounded - 12, or make you want it - > > > > 4,2,11 etc). > > > > > > > > > > AK desires are known to mind, therefore when AK is in tenth one > > > > treats > > > > > training/skills/work very seriously, almost like religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> <http://rohinaa.com > > <http://rohinaa.com>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedicastrostudent pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafalji, > > > > > > Your replies are always pithy (full of information), it > > takes a > > > > > > while for me to fully absorb them! But please see my post to > > > > Maja - > > > > > > I mean AK and conscious mind arent the same thing are they? > > AK is > > > > > > the deeper spark of the soul that in most cases the mind > > (manas) > > > > > > isnt even aware of. And the AK might actually want to take > > the > > > > > > person in a different direction than where the mind/lagna > > wants > > > > to > > > > > > take them, no? But how will it do that - it can only do so by > > > > > > creating a circumstance in which the mind is forced to > > listen, > > > > even > > > > > > if it doesnt want to. I feel this strongly because my own AK > > is > > > > in > > > > > > the 6th (before CK replacements), and I strongly felt that > > > > during my > > > > > > (ongoing) AK dasa, lots of events happened which I > > consciously > > > > didnt > > > > > > like or ask for, but they happened anyway and forced me to > > > > change my > > > > > > outlook, harshly and repeatedly. The AK didnt sweetly and > > gently > > > > > > plant " the right desires " and remove the " wrong desires " (in > > my > > > > > > mind) so that life was continuously (mentally) smooth. This > > is > > > > why I > > > > > > suspect that AK is deeper and in case of less > > enlightened/more > > > > > > rajasik-tamasik souls, almost totally separate from the > > mind. The > > > > > > mind is not even aware of AK's desires. But AK remains the > > king, > > > > and > > > > > > it expresses it's strength by forcing situations in which the > > > > mind > > > > > > helplessly has to listen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand correctly? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa% > > 40> > > > > <sohamsa% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Ck level 1) maranakarakasthana and 2) pachakadi > > sambandha > > > > are > > > > > > most > > > > > > > important. It refers to motivation and soul level sambandha > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > connected to our inspirations, desires. AK with AmK is > > > > > > rajasambandha > > > > > > > yoga per Parasara Maharishi - this gives karma yogis which > > are > > > > > > fully > > > > > > > dedicated to mission (similar with charakaraka > > replacement). Of > > > > > > course > > > > > > > AK/PK in 2/12 doesnt bode well for relation with children > > but > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > more points to check. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> > > <http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > <http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > <http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com>>> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja Strbac pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is not really > > 100% > > > > > > attitude > > > > > > > > issue of " giving up " . What AK represents for native, > > same is > > > > PK > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > native's children. So, soul level and important > > experiences > > > > > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are very > > different > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all children) > > > > which can > > > > > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK can also > > describe > > > > huge > > > > > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of arudhas, > > so in > > > > that > > > > > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation between AL > > and > > > > A5. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong too. I did not > > > > listen > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40> > > > > <sohamsa%40> <sohamsa% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <sohamsa% > > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > > " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After listening to > > one of > > > > > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression (possibly > > wrong, I > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I want to, so > > > > please > > > > > > > > excuse > > > > > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by seeing the > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the Rasi chart, you > > > > see the > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by the > > charakaraka. > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > confused as to what this " real attitude " means. For > > > > example, > > > > > > if a > > > > > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship e.g. PK in > > 12th > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > AK, > > > > > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's conscious > > attitude > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > > > her children is of " giving up " ? Because that doesnt > > seem > > > > to be > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the Atma's attitude > > and > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it might > > instead > > > > create > > > > > > > > > situations in which the children are forced to be given > > > > up? So > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what level of > > > > > > experience, do > > > > > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position relative to each > > > > other? If > > > > > > AK > > > > > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it create > > Rajayoga? > > > > To > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you contrast it with, > > for > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L with the Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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