Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Mike, Namaste My birth data (and they are not secret at all): DOB: 05th of December 1982. TOB: 01:15 AM (it is correct) POB: Mostar, Bosnia and Herzegovina, 17 E 48; 43 N 20 Time zone: 01 hour East of GMT Lagna should be 10 deg. 16' of Kanya. :) Yeah... I do write a lot and when you open my chart you will find nothing surprising to your conclusion. Whenever you meet someone fresh in Jyotish you can just plant him/her my chart as a book example of someone writing a lot (You'll understand this joke after you enter birth data). I perfectly understand Vedic curiosity, so relax. No need to justify yourself and to offer your birth data in return. I always give my birth data when I am asked for (but if there is any other reason, you can send them of course. I can take a look). Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat sohamsa , " mikefranc01 " <michael.travass wrote: > > Dear Maja, > Sorry to interrupt. You write a lot. Where is Mercury placed in your > chart. Will appreciate if you can send in you birth details. This is > just a vedic astrology curiosity. > I can send mine if you wish. > Thanks and regards, > Mike > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " <majastrbacastro@> > wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sundeep, > > Namaste > > > > I share your " dizziness " I am glad that you find this moment > > convenient to skip from theory to practice. (That stuff about 10- > > 20 charts was a friendly suggestion. I am sure it helps a lot in > > learning.) I also think that when you read everything again and > > check those charts, your reply to my email doesn't have to be > longer > > that just a few sentences. > > > > Your question initiated one very informative thread (personally, > > your question made me think a lot. You're very good too). > > > > Regrads, > > Maja > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > I'll take a while to respond to this.. Cant seem to get all my > > > thoughts together right now! > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " <majastrbacastro@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > I did some copy/paste; I hope that it is not too messy so you > > can > > > > follow: > > > > > > > > " If I take AK as Atma level desire for self and PK as Atma > level > > > > desire for children, then AK-PK in 2/12 means there is a > > > > relationship of " giving up " somewhere (i.e. somewhere AK and PK > > > > desires are not in harmony as they would be in a 4/10 > > > relationship, > > > > for example). This I get simply by the meaning of 2/12, nothing > > > > else, right? " > > > > > > > > Yes, there is " giving up " somewhere (just with huge quotation > > > marks, > > > > not abounding), there are differences between native and child > > > > simply by meaning 2/12 and it seems to me that no other > > conclusion > > > > can be derived from this position now when I read complete > > thread. > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > " I don't have any prejudgments that are etched in stone at all - > > > > I'm > > > > willing to evaluate any possibility, and discard wrong ideas > > > > provided a better explanation is given. " > > > > > > > > That is the spirit. Where were you and why aren't you here more > > > > often? > > > > > > > > > > > > " Don't predict me that I shall be a bad mother because I have > > > AK/PK > > > > in 2/12 relation I'm not predicting anything. " > > > > > > > > For God's sake, this was a joke, look, there is smiley at the > > end > > > > (have I mentioned what is my AK > > > > > > > > I'm simply trying to fill in the blanks by building an > > > understanding > > > > from the ground up. " > > > > > > > > I should look up on you a little. > > > > > > > > " I'm simply trying to understand how the " situation that brings > > > > suffering on soul level " comes about. " > > > > > > > > For this answer I would stick to observing a whole chart. That > > is > > > > the only way to get it. This is already concerning specifically > > > what > > > > kind of events, situations. It truly depends on complete chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > " If the AK and mind were always together and not in conflict, > > then > > > > AKs would always be in kona to the moon and/or lagna, no? " I > > > AGREE > > > > 100%. Yes, but if you agree, then there is a contradiction, > > right " > > > > > > > > What contradiction? (Okay, I am reading following) > > > > > > > > " Since AK and moon/lagna are quite clearly NOT always in kona, > > > then > > > > for example when AK is in 6/8 to moon/lagna, it means the > desire > > > > that the AK represents is NOT deliciously palatable to the > > > > mind/lagna, no? So, how does AK desire present itself in the > > mind - > > > > > > > since AK and mind are in 6/8, either that desire is NOT known > > (8) > > > to > > > > the mind, or it is actually an enemy (6) or in other words > > > something > > > > the mind dislikes? In such cases, how exactly does the AK's > > desire > > > > get it's way, please tell me. If the king(AK) doesnt get his > > way, > > > > who does? " > > > > > > > > I believe that AK always gets its way. Mind can simply like it > > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > I think we have a small problem here with categories. I'll need > > > your > > > > help because it seems to me that you might have better idea > what > > > the > > > > following is. (This was translated on English from Sanskrit, > > then > > > I > > > > found it translated on Serbian and now i am " converting " it > > again > > > on > > > > English, so this can be a... Showtime. Fabulous for > > > > misunderstandings. Hold your breath.) > > > > > > > > Five levels of consciousness: > > > > > > > > Physical consciousness > > > > Mental consciousness > > > > > > > > Sub consciousness (it is pretty clear what part of mind this is) > > > > Super consciousness (part of mind that refers to connection > with > > > our > > > > antecessors) > > > > Supra consciousness (joining of Manas and Atma... whatever) > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not Jung (or he accepted this?) or psychology. You have > > > more > > > > chances to be familiar with these categories then me I think. > > > First > > > > two are conscious level (I have no other word for this, sorry, > I > > > > hope that you will be able to understand why I am forced to > > repeat > > > > it) and last three are unconscious level. Are you familiar with > > > this? > > > > > > > > As I know so far Chandra is both Mind and Mentality. So I > > believe > > > > that when you are using Atma/Mind relation 6/8, you are trying > > to > > > > point that desires of Atma can be recognized as inimical to > > > > Mentality or..? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " > <majastrbacastro@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > You just reminded me of my best friend so much. In her case > > Sani > > > > is > > > > > lagna lord in 9th and AK. A little more influence than in > your > > > > case. > > > > > At one point you sounded just like her :) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > You're pretty good. Although my AK is not Sani (natal AK > is > > > > > > actually Venus, but I have 2 CK replacements at the AK > > level, > > > I > > > > > > think it is Mercury at this point in my life), Sani is my > > > Lagna > > > > > Lord > > > > > > (Aq Lagna) and Sani is also conjunct my Moon, so Sani > > > influence > > > > is > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " > > > <majastrbacastro@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me tell you one thing, your questions are excellent! > > > Don't > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > hesitate to ask whatever there is on your mind! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: Read Rafal's email from this morning. I > > > simply > > > > > > have > > > > > > > nothing else to add. I just don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't separate mind/AK so much. I was just defending > > opinion > > > > > (with > > > > > > > what I had available at the moment) that AK/PK relation > > > 2/12, > > > > > > apart > > > > > > > from rest of the chart, doesn't mean " circumstances that > > > lead > > > > to > > > > > > > unavoidable physical separation of native and child " by > > > > default > > > > > (I > > > > > > > understood you this way). It was intuitive opinion. As I > > > > checked > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Rafal's email I was not far from truth. Though I am not > > able > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > you such detailed arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, my instinctive reaction on everything learned, > even > > > if > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > just one sentence, is to check it out in 10-20 charts of > > > > people > > > > > I > > > > > > > know well. I like to confirm it. I simply work that way. > I > > > > like > > > > > to > > > > > > > combine theory and practical. As I understand your last > > > > > paragraph > > > > > > > that doesn't make me empiricist or practical > theoretician. > > > (I > > > > > got > > > > > > > more than enough plain, simple theory throughout my > > > education. > > > > > Now > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am in decontamination phase with Jyotish) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jung, psychology... I don't go farther then basics. I got > > > > > > overdosed > > > > > > > with psychology while I was learning Western astrology, > > > where > > > > > > > everything you can not confirm with astrology, oh, well, > > you > > > > can > > > > > > > always use psychology as excuse. (I have a kind of > similar > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > about Psychology, Modernism and Western Astrology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we learned that AK is not just unconscious level, > we > > > can > > > > > > skip > > > > > > > that part. Let's continue tomorrow (I got your email when > > I > > > > was > > > > > > > about to go out). Whatever I have left out I'll check it > > > later > > > > > or > > > > > > > tomorrow. (I like this conversation very much, and we > > could > > > > both > > > > > > use > > > > > > > some time to additionally " decode " Rafal's email) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be brave now to ask you one question: Is your AK > > maybe > > > > Sani? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > Some more questions inlined: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " > > > > > <majastrbacastro@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually trying to say that AK/PK 2/12 relation > > > will > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > necessarily bring giving up on children at all (apart > > > from > > > > > > rest > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the chart). I don't think that AK drags one anywhere > > > > > > physically > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > that. Giving up on children is more case of AL/A5 > > > relation > > > > I > > > > > > > > think. > > > > > > > > > Or even relation between paka lagna and A5. I don't > > > know, > > > > my > > > > > > PiK > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > MK are in 2/12 relation, but my parents are still > very > > > > much > > > > > > > > > together. Don't predict me that I shall be a bad > > mother > > > > > > because > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have AK/PK in 2/12 relation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not predicting anything. I'm simply trying to fill > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > blanks > > > > > > > > by building an understanding from the ground up. If I > > take > > > > AK > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Atma level desire for self and PK as Atma level desire > > for > > > > > > > children, > > > > > > > > then AK-PK in 2/12 means there is a relationship > > > of " giving > > > > > up " > > > > > > > > somewhere (i.e. somewhere AK and PK desires are not in > > > > harmony > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > they would be in a 4/10 relationship, for example). > This > > I > > > > get > > > > > > > > simply by the meaning of 2/12, nothing else, right? So > > how > > > > > does > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > manifest in outward life, please tell me. I dont have > > any > > > > > > > > prejudgements that are etched in stone at all - I'm > > > willing > > > > to > > > > > > > > evaluate any possibility, and discard wrong ideas > > provided > > > a > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > explanation is given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If the mind does not listen to the AK, then AK will > > > force > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > situation in which the unwilling mind has no > > option. " > > > > Yes. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > understand this as force in situation in surrounding, > > > not > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > physically dragging far away. Situation that > > > bring " suffer > > > > > on > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > level " … > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand " physically dragging far away " . I > > didnt > > > > mean > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > at all. I'm simply trying to understand how > > the " situation > > > > > that > > > > > > > > brings suffering on soul level " comes about. I was > using > > a > > > > bit > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Jungian psychology there - your unconscious has a way > > > > > > (projection) > > > > > > > > of forcing you into situations that your conscious mind > > > > > > > > despises/rejects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If the AK and > > > > > > > > > > mind were always together and not in conflict, then > > > AKs > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > be in kona to the moon and/or lagna, no? " I AGREE > > > 100%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but if you agree, then there is a contradiction, > > > right? > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > follow my reasoning here and point out the discrepancy: > > > > Since > > > > > AK > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > moon/lagna are quite clearly NOT always in kona, then > > for > > > > > > example > > > > > > > > when AK is in 6/8 to moon/lagna, it means the desire > > that > > > > the > > > > > > AK > > > > > > > > represents is NOT deliciously palatable to the > > mind/lagna, > > > > no? > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > how does AK desire present itself in the mind - since > AK > > > and > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > are in 6/8, either that desire is NOT known (8) to the > > > mind, > > > > > or > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is actually an enemy (6) or in other words something > the > > > > mind > > > > > > > > dislikes? In such cases, how exactly does the AK's > > desire > > > > get > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > way, please tell me. If the king(AK) doesnt get his > way, > > > who > > > > > > does? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behavior & character = (I believe is) conscious + > > > > > unconscious > > > > > > > > (there > > > > > > > > > are directions in psychology which mention > interaction > > > > with > > > > > > > > > environment as factor, there are those who leave this > > > out > > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > on, > > > > > > > > > and so on… let's leave it to them), that is why I > > > > said " lack > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > understanding " . Checked 20 charts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No I didnt check 20 charts and here is the reason. I > > dont > > > > > > > > dispute/have-a-preference for any result at all, I > > simply > > > > want > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > consistent reasoning that leads to it. I am not an > > > > empiricist > > > > > by > > > > > > > > nature i.e. one who likes the results more than the > > theory > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > KN > > > > > > > > Rao's astrology), I am more of a practical theoretician > > > (one > > > > > who > > > > > > > > likes to develop the theory first and then corroborate > > > > against > > > > > > > > data/real life experience). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your detailed replies, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > I fully believe and agree with the existence of the > > > > > > > unconscious. > > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > do you agree that the unconscious attitudes play > out > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > *environment* i.e. the person is unconsciously > drawn > > > > into > > > > > > > > > situations > > > > > > > > > > which play out the unconscious desires/attitudes? > In > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > way, I feel AK/PK 2/12 does not really mean that > the > > > > > person > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > *consciously* giving up children, but is forced > into > > > > > > > situations > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > which the children need to be given up. The mind > may > > > be > > > > > > > > unwilling, > > > > > > > > > > but situations may force the outcome. I mean AK is > > the > > > > > king, > > > > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > If the mind does not listen to the AK, then AK will > > > > force > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > situation in which the unwilling mind has no > option. > > > If > > > > > the > > > > > > AK > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mind were always together and not in conflict, then > > > AKs > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > be in kona to the moon and/or lagna, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " > > > > > > > <majastrbacastro@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " AK and PK in 2/12 will > > > > > > > > > > > > always manifest as lack of understanding > between > > > > > native > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > children " Kind of, I think. At least in the > area > > > of > > > > > what > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > soul deeply strives for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me try to put it this way: pick 20 charts of > > > > people > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > well. Check their AK and compare their general > > > > behavior > > > > > to > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > should be some strong resemblance. (Just for the > > > > record, > > > > > > my > > > > > > > AK > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Budh... somehow I can recognize in Budh karakatva) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I have heard that Atma is not really > surface, > > > but > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > something like " unconscious " part of us. But > don't > > > you > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > human behavior should be result of conscious as > > well > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > unconscious? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maja, > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont understand.. So you agree that > AK > > > and > > > > > PK > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 2/12 > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > always manifest as lack of understanding > between > > > > > native > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > children? Then what is the difference between > AK > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > mind, > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > every " problem " of the AK is clearly visible in > > > > > > > > a " conscious " > > > > > > > > > > > mental > > > > > > > > > > > > view/attitude? Hope you see my problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " > > > > > > > > > <majastrbacastro@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste dear Sundeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > > (And hello again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that in case when AK and PK 2/12 is > > not > > > > > really > > > > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > > > > > > attitude > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of " giving up " . What AK represents for > > > > native, > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > PK > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > native's children. So, soul level and > > important > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding purification and spirituality are > > very > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > > native and children (I think it refers to all > > > > > > children) > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > bring lack of understanding. Of course, AK > can > > > > also > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > huge > > > > > > > > > > > > > portion of someone's character. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attitude and life direction is more matter of > > > > > arudhas, > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > case it seems that we should observe relation > > > > > between > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > A5. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just thoughts. (I could be wrong > > too. > > > I > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > listen > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > that lecture) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members and Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a probably simple question. After > > > > listening > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vistiji's lectures, I got the impression > > > > (possibly > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cant spend as much time on astrology as I > > want > > > > to, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > excuse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me if I wrongly absorb something) that by > > > seeing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the AK to the other charakarakas in the > Rasi > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attitude towards whatever is signified by > > the > > > > > > > > charakaraka. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confused as to what this " real attitude " > > > means. > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother's AK and PK are in 2-12 relationship > > > e.g. > > > > > PK > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > AK, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surely it doesnt mean that the mother's > > > > conscious > > > > > > > > attitude > > > > > > > > > > > > toward > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her children is of " giving up " ? Because > that > > > > > doesnt > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case. Or does it mean that that is the > > Atma's > > > > > > attitude > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atma is deeper than the conscious mind, it > > > might > > > > > > > instead > > > > > > > > > > > create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > situations in which the children are forced > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > up? > > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > real question is - how exactly, or at what > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > experience, > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you interpret charakarakas position > relative > > > to > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > other? > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and AmK are together, how exactly does it > > > create > > > > > > > > Rajayoga? > > > > > > > > > > To > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the CK principle clearer, could you > contrast > > > it > > > > > > with, > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > example, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10L in the 1st house, and also with 10L > with > > > the > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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