Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

November 1, 2009

Dear friends

The same anxiety which Mr. Vishramji is facing will suppos to face by every astrologer who tries to predict this type of queries. Instead of jataka, we ourselves be frightened about our forthcoming prediction will come true or not. If predictions come true then we say that this is the astrology and due to the correctness of my knowledge I predicted the same. But if prediction fails we are not having words to express.

As far as Mr. Vishramji is seeking advice regarding how to predict the death of a jataka. The same has been elaboratedly explained by KSK in 3rd reader as well as so many other books on KP astrology.

REgards

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision,Kolhapur

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:54:39 +0530 wrote

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Dear Friends,No body have any reason to go more so.It is a personal question only.We must thank to Vishram ji for seeking advice on his personal matter.But I guess Vishram ji may have mental depression by taking all these narrations, instead of the JathakaRegardsKalyanVIJAYANAND PATIL To:

: guide_vijayanand; vishram_deshpande: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:05:51 AMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Friends

Whether timing of death is to tell the jataka or not it is the question depends on the situation as Punitji says is correct. But there are sevaral incidences where so many well worsed kp as well as general astrologers tried to find out and predict the timing of death including selves failed and the astrology was blamed. No doubt, there are also incidences where KP astrologers as well as traditional astrolovers who predicted the timing of death comes perfect.

Now the question is this that while predicting this type of things every angle should be taken into consideration because we have come across so many incidences where by applying all the available rules and principles of KP astrology, there was the failure in predictions like cricket matches, share market dumble down, but before that what the anxiety created in the minds of the jataka as well as concerned will compel that astrologer to go even to court of law. Because considering the predictions will come true, what the decisions suposed to be taken by that jataka is in his favour or the concerned and if that prediction fails, that 'ASTROLOGER' will be prosecuted. Here we shold not boast that we predict the death etc. because there are certain elements which is not within the perview of astrology.

Any wise astrologer like some can predict the death of jataka but they must be aware of the consequences of failure in the predictions also. As in recent parliament elections and in assembly elections so many astrologers including KP astrologers had given challenges in open public/media that x party will win and the govt will be formed under the prime ministership of Y that fails.

General public took this aspect as general one. But predicting the death will not be taken as general one. First of all ASTROLOGER is not compelled to predict the death. and even if so, every wise astrologer will have to take very care and caution in predicting the same.

Whether it is moral or immoral is of no value. As KSK says that there are certain branches whether we cannot reach to the correct predictions due to the reasons beyond our control and imagniation. weshould not attach much importance to this issue.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision,

Cell NO. +919422582853/ +91 9673746303

guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:31:13 +0530 wrote

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DearDeshpande ji,

There is no universal right or wrong answer. It always depends upon the situation and the content, which you can better understand than us. If you feel that it can harm the person, you should not tell anything.

Aword of caution here. I know one senior astrologer recently who got psychological and mental problems justbecause he was thought that upcoming dasa may bring death to him. Knowledge of death is very dangerous even for good learned astrologer what to say about normal human being. So, generally if you do not understand the mental state and psychologyof a person very closely, it is better not to tell anything. Otherwise words can work as poison.

Having said that, astrology books are full of principles on longevity calculation. This topic has been given substantial attention in all classics by our sages. The reason it is given because, our sages want astrologer to utilize this knowledge intelligently and try to take any benefit if possible. Varahamihira' s prediction about the death of Vikramaditya' s son (if I remember correctly)is very popular and that is the reason Varahamihira is given title of "Varaha" in his court. In that case Varahamihira' s objective was to save his life by utilizing astrological knowledge of longevity.

So to sum up, it depends.

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:

Dear Friends,

My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart confirm the same tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time come back to India.Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.

I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old.I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult tojust neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Withouthim teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning.Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again again for the same.

Thanks regards.

Vishram Deshpande

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Dear Yogesh ji,Thank you for advice. This is what I was expecting in the beginning. Actually my intention to mail the post was not to ask "how to predict death" but it was "is it correct to predict death" Meanwhile I was asked to give details of birth by TWji. He is one of the most respectable members of our forum & if he was asking, there was no point I should refuse to give details.By the way, few years back I had read a book on some astrological theory (PRAVIR PADHATI in Marathi) The author has given some formula based on date of birth (only) & with small calculations one can arrive at date of death. To prove

his formula he has given nearly 100 solved examples of well known people in India or abroad whose date of birth & date of death is also known to all & the dates match with his formula. Though the formula is not so big, the way he has explained is bit complicated & confusing.Thanks & regards.Vishram DeshpandeYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Cc: Vishram Deshpande <deshpandeSun, 1 November, 2009 5:10:21 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram,

I completely agree with you...btw,Guruji KSK had advised his students to avoid venturing to predict death,and infact,to refuse taking up such queries,as far as possible...

With the very best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?@gro ups.comSunday, November 1, 2009, 8:32 AM

Dear Members,I would like to share an incident about death prediction of my mother.My Mother expired on 12th July 09. On one Sunday when I came back to Pune from Mumbai, I saw my mother & looking at her face only I came to know that the sickness was not as usual & I decided to take her to hospital. Before the ambulance comes, I got some tome & I tried to make a horary chart. When I tried, the computer opened only first page & for other details it was showing "Run Time Error". I tried to make it open full for 3-4 times but failed. By the time ambulance arrived & I took her to hospital.When I got some time to think, I realised that computer's "Run Time Error" was nothing but the hint given by the God that my mother was destined to take her last breath in the hospital only. The same thing happened on 12th July 09.Few days after her death I tried to open the same chart (which was showing error) &

it opened without any problem. I checked what were the RPs at the time of erecting the chart & if they had any relation with the time of death. I was very much surprised to see that the RPs were matching 100 % with the day & time up to minutes !Now I think, everything in the world is predestined, including our predictions, their correctness or mistakes, omens etc. I was worried about my mother & the God wanted me to know only that my mother won't come back from the hospital. I was stopped by showing "Run Time Error" which by meaning too could indicate my mother's death.When the God wanted me to see that KP system can give accurate predictions, the chart opened without any problem & the RPs too matched exactly.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande

Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSun, 1 November, 2009 10:31:50 AMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Punit and group members

25 years back my friend Naga Nandini told lord Brahma will not allow u to give accurate predictions as the things to be happened has to be happened.

In the past Two such major events i remeber firstly Varaha mihira predicted date,time and mode of death.

It happened but with very slite hidden points that the Boar is living body or non-living body.

Secondly, Bhrigha maharshi a well known great astrologer who able to foresee everything, but he forgotton that the drama played by Lord Vishnu and lost his third eye as Lord Vishnu plucked Maharshi's eye.As per Bhrigha maharshi chart he has to lost his eyes by the order of God/Government.

If the native is aged and ready to listen such things then we can predict, but till date i dint predict directly to my clients.

But, i had predicted death time to my friend on his father's death.

To some of my clints on their parents death time.

In fact now i am not giving such predictions and predict Kantaka like situation.

Two years back i had predicted date of death of my clints Mother as per his chart , and i said in this way " Transit of Satun over Virgo from 9th September to set/oct 2011 his mother may face major life danger"

on 10th September 2009 his mother expired.

People always come to astrologer to predict only good, hence what Mr.Pandey says is 100% correct.

As per my calculation myself and Mr.Amitabh Bachcan surely face some major health problem around 2010 june/october. More perticularly stomach/abdoman, as Saturn transit over Virgo and in the said period Mars too will transit over Virgo/Saturn.

some gastroentity or epidemic or infection will be the disease i feel.

Though i am not scared of death , but i am truly scared of disease as i suffere ill-health since my childhood.

Astrology though beyond science , we have to use Art in predicting the truth.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 11:29:58 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Deshpande ji,

There is no universal right or wrong answer. It always depends upon the situation and the content, which you can better understand than us. If you feel that it can harm the person, you should not tell anything.

A word of caution here. I know one senior astrologer recently who got psychological and mental problems just because he was thought that upcoming dasa may bring death to him. Knowledge of death is very dangerous even for good learned astrologer what to say about normal human being. So, generally if you do not understand the mental state and psychology of a person very closely, it is better not to tell anything. Otherwise words can work as poison.

Having said that, astrology books are full of principles on longevity calculation. This topic has been given substantial attention in all classics by our sages. The reason it is given because, our sages want astrologer to utilize this knowledge intelligently and try to take any benefit if possible. Varahamihira' s prediction about the death of Vikramaditya' s son (if I remember correctly) is very popular and that is the reason Varahamihira is given title of "Varaha" in his court. In that case Varahamihira' s objective was to save his life by utilizing astrological knowledge of longevity.

So to sum up, it depends.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Friends,

My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.

I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

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Dear Sujata ji,I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly.

As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ?Vishram Deshpandesujata das <sujatadash1 Sent: Sun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear VishramBuddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss.In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately.RegrdsSujataSagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram

Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined.

What is my longivity?

Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK.

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram ji,If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha.Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans.First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death.KP Rule for Sanyasi-

If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008)This is my personal opinion.RegardsKalyan

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Friends,

My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.

I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

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Dear Vishram Deshpande Ji,There is no problem to predict the date of death and it is also correct to confirm date of death.But who will confirm date of death.What is the name of competent astrologer whose predictions has become true with regard to death in the past.First of all confirm where he may die and it is very easy as Guruji has written on page no16 of Reader III rd and there after confirm the mode(page No.15) and date of death.It is not very easy task.Actually he wants to know the date of his death by this method if any one has been so competent in this field.

Dhirendra Nath Misra

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 6:37:11 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Yogesh ji,Thank you for advice. This is what I was expecting in the beginning. Actually my intention to mail the post was not to ask "how to predict death" but it was "is it correct to predict death" Meanwhile I was asked to give details of birth by TWji. He is one of the most respectable members of our forum & if he was asking, there was no point I should refuse to give details.By the way, few years back I had read a book on some astrological theory (PRAVIR PADHATI in Marathi) The author has given some formula based on date of birth (only) & with small calculations one can arrive at date of death. To prove his formula he has given nearly 100 solved examples of well known people in India or abroad whose date of birth & date of death is also known to

all & the dates match with his formula. Though the formula is not so big, the way he has explained is bit complicated & confusing.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Vishram Deshpande <deshpande (AT) (DOT) co.in>Sun, 1 November, 2009 5:10:21 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram,

I completely agree with you...btw,Guruji KSK had advised his students to avoid venturing to predict death,and infact,to refuse taking up such queries,as far as possible...

With the very best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?@gro ups.comSunday, November 1, 2009, 8:32 AM

Dear Members,I would like to share an incident about death prediction of my mother.My Mother expired on 12th July 09. On one Sunday when I came back to Pune from Mumbai, I saw my mother & looking at her face only I came to know that the sickness was not as usual & I decided to take her to hospital. Before the ambulance comes, I got some tome & I tried to make a horary chart. When I tried, the computer opened only first page & for other details it was showing "Run Time Error". I tried to make it open full for 3-4 times but failed. By the time ambulance arrived & I took her to hospital.When I got some time to think, I realised that computer's "Run Time Error" was nothing but the hint given by the God that my mother was destined to take her last breath in the hospital only. The same thing happened on 12th July 09.Few days after her death I tried to open the same chart (which was showing error) &

it opened without any problem. I checked what were the RPs at the time of erecting the chart & if they had any relation with the time of death. I was very much surprised to see that the RPs were matching 100 % with the day & time up to minutes !Now I think, everything in the world is predestined, including our predictions, their correctness or mistakes, omens etc. I was worried about my mother & the God wanted me to know only that my mother won't come back from the hospital. I was stopped by showing "Run Time Error" which by meaning too could indicate my mother's death.When the God wanted me to see that KP system can give accurate predictions, the chart opened without any problem & the RPs too matched exactly.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande

Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSun, 1 November, 2009 10:31:50 AMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Punit and group members

25 years back my friend Naga Nandini told lord Brahma will not allow u to give accurate predictions as the things to be happened has to be happened.

In the past Two such major events i remeber firstly Varaha mihira predicted date,time and mode of death.

It happened but with very slite hidden points that the Boar is living body or non-living body.

Secondly, Bhrigha maharshi a well known great astrologer who able to foresee everything, but he forgotton that the drama played by Lord Vishnu and lost his third eye as Lord Vishnu plucked Maharshi's eye.As per Bhrigha maharshi chart he has to lost his eyes by the order of God/Government.

If the native is aged and ready to listen such things then we can predict, but till date i dint predict directly to my clients.

But, i had predicted death time to my friend on his father's death.

To some of my clints on their parents death time.

In fact now i am not giving such predictions and predict Kantaka like situation.

Two years back i had predicted date of death of my clints Mother as per his chart , and i said in this way " Transit of Satun over Virgo from 9th September to set/oct 2011 his mother may face major life danger"

on 10th September 2009 his mother expired.

People always come to astrologer to predict only good, hence what Mr.Pandey says is 100% correct.

As per my calculation myself and Mr.Amitabh Bachcan surely face some major health problem around 2010 june/october. More perticularly stomach/abdoman, as Saturn transit over Virgo and in the said period Mars too will transit over Virgo/Saturn.

some gastroentity or epidemic or infection will be the disease i feel.

Though i am not scared of death , but i am truly scared of disease as i suffere ill-health since my childhood.

Astrology though beyond science , we have to use Art in predicting the truth.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 11:29:58 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Deshpande ji,

There is no universal right or wrong answer. It always depends upon the situation and the content, which you can better understand than us. If you feel that it can harm the person, you should not tell anything.

A word of caution here. I know one senior astrologer recently who got psychological and mental problems just because he was thought that upcoming dasa may bring death to him. Knowledge of death is very dangerous even for good learned astrologer what to say about normal human being. So, generally if you do not understand the mental state and psychology of a person very closely, it is better not to tell anything. Otherwise words can work as poison.

Having said that, astrology books are full of principles on longevity calculation. This topic has been given substantial attention in all classics by our sages. The reason it is given because, our sages want astrologer to utilize this knowledge intelligently and try to take any benefit if possible. Varahamihira' s prediction about the death of Vikramaditya' s son (if I remember correctly) is very popular and that is the reason Varahamihira is given title of "Varaha" in his court. In that case Varahamihira' s objective was to save his life by utilizing astrological knowledge of longevity.

So to sum up, it depends.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Friends,

My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.

I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

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Dear Sujataji:Let us not blame astrology for"wrong predictions". Let us-astrologer-take the blame. I have a question for Vishramji: Could you please give me the details of the calculations to arrive at date of death from the date of birth. I am very much interested inthat for the sake of knowledge,thanks and regards,Vijay--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote:Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpandeRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:31 PM

Dear Sujata ji,I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly.

As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ?Vishram Deshpandesujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear VishramBuddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss.In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately.RegrdsSujataSagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram

Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined.

What is my longivity?

Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK.

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram ji,If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha.Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans.First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death.KP Rule for Sanyasi-

If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008)This is my personal opinion.RegardsKalyan

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Friends,

My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.

I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

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Dear TWjiMy father had died on 20-7-94. around 12-18pm. Su was transitting in mo sa sa, and mo in me mo ma. I had thought that dasa shud b sa ju mo instead of me me, and I tried to rectify my TOB to 9-17 pm to make the dasa period to be sa ju ra mo.But when I looked at the rising asc., it was virgo with moon sign also the same. So it had to be mer dasa. Su is supposed to indicte the dasa but its not true at all times.I had my divrce in ju ve ma dasa, and the su was in sa ju ke. My husband died in Sa SA Sa, and the sun was in su ke veRegardsSujata TW <tw853 Sent: Sun, 1 November, 2009 5:14:31 PM Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Friend,

1. It is to welcome your contribution for discussion to learn something of KP other than asking qestions and critisizing others all the time.

2. On 1 Apr 2012, the native will be running Sa-Ra-Sa-Sa DBAS, andtransit at 12 noon IST,

Sa in Li 03:20 in Ve sign, Ma star, Ve subRa in Sc 14:12 in Ma sign, Sa star, Ra subSu in Pi 18:00 in Ju sign, Me star, Me subMo in Cn 04:56 in Mo sign, Sa star, Sa sub

as per KPAstro 3.5.

3. Dasa-Anthra- Sookshma lord Sa transit does not agree with the DBAS at all.Only Bhukti lord Rah transit agrees with DBAS.Su transit does not agree with DBAS at all.Mo transit agrees with DBAS especially with Sookshma for timing of event.So thet transit is not found to be so deadly. In KP dasa is main and trasit is for timing of event. If dasa lords don't allow, the trasit can't do anything. Bhukti lord Minister can't carry out the matter which is not allowed by the Dasa lord PM.

4. The bottom line is that:

If the longivity is promised, he will get over this (life threatening accident), and the condition of the patient would be threatening. Some may be unconscious; some may be given blood transfusion and oxygen. Therefore we have to judge both the longevity and also the duration of the disease.-KP Reader VI p 159, 2nd para (any edition)

Regards,TW

@gro ups.com, "Sundar" <sundar190561@ ...> wrote:>> Dear TW> > I am very much junior as compared to you all. However, I would like to submit certain pointers based on transit in April, 2012.> > During April 1st, 2012 the transit positions of sat/rahu/jupiter will be as follows> > planet sign lord star lord sub lord> sat 2,5-6 venus 8,2-9 mars 12,3-8 venus 8,2-9> rahu 3 mars 12,3-8 sat 2,5-6 rahu 3 > jup 8,4-7 mars 12,3-8 venus 8,2-9 rahu 3> > sun's sgl/stl/sbl will be in jup(8,4-7)/mer( 6,1-10)/mer( 6,1-10)> > Based on the above, don't you think the period will be not all that positive?> > > Thanks...... ...sundar > > > > @gro ups.com, "TW" tw853@ wrote:> >> > Dear Vishram ji,> > > > 1. Your Boss, 22 Jun

1951, 12:48 PM, Mumbai, 18N58, 72E49, Asc Vi 08:47:40, KPNA 23:05:22, Moon Dasa balance 5y:3m:9d> > > > 3. Current running dasa Saturn up to 01 Oct 2016> > Bhukti Moon till 05 Apr 2010> > Bhukti Mars till 14 May 2011> > Bhukti Rahu till 21 Mar 2014> > Bhukti Jup till 01 Oct 2016> > > > 4. Oct 2009 plus 2y:6m= Apr 2012 (Sat Dasa-Rahu Bhukti)> > > > 5. It's understandable why your boss is worried for Sa-Ra DB.> > Sa+(12,5-6); in star Su(9,12); in sub Ju(7,4-7 Badhaka)> > No planet is in star Sa, which is the SCL of 12th. > > Ra(6),Sgl Sa(12,5-6);in star Ju(7,4-7 Bdk);in sub Ju(7,4-7 Bdk) > > > > 6. However, 1st (longevity) & 7th (Bdk) CSL is Ve.> > Ve(11,2-9); in star Me(9,1-10); in sub Mo(5,11)> > Hence long life is found and Bdk cannot be so harmful.> > > > 7. In

short as per KP rules, your boss is expected to survive the critical Ra & Ju Bhuktis.> > > > 8. Let me tell you a true story regarding spending some time as a sanyasi. A famous Vedic astrologer and palmist back home had a chance to have a real Nadi reading in a temple in Madaras at earlier time. According to his narration, up to one's age of reading, the reading was free, and the different amount of fee was charged depending on the status of the querist, if one wanted to hear further reading for future. For a poor person it was free. In that reading a part was written in one's native language pronunciation. He didn't say exactly what was predicted for his longevity. But as he said, at the age of 60, he entered into monkhood to spend the rest of his life in the monastery, and lived up to around 70. In the case of astrologer Richard Houck, he was cheated by the fake Nadi reading.> > > > Good luck for your

Boss!> > > > Regards,> > TW > > > > @gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kalyanji,> > > > > > Thank you so much for your guidance. My ex boss is well prepared to know the date of his death & has asked me to tell as much as clear possible.> > > > > > As asked by TWji I am giving hereunder the details of his birth.> > > > > > DOB - 22/6/1951,> > > TOB - 12:48 pm,> > > Place - Mumbai. Maharashtra> > > > > > Note - He said that the TOB is rectified once ( & had a difference of 2-3 minutes from what was recorded) > > > > > > Thanks & regards.> > > > > > Vishram Deshpande> > > > > > > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> > > SunaparanthaKalyan <sunaparantha@>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PM> > > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?> > > > > > > > > Dear Vishram ji,> > > > > > If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha.> > > Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans.> > > First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death.> > > KP Rule for Sanyasi-> > > > > > If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9)

and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008)> > > > > > This is my personal opinion.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kalyan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>> > > KP System Forum @gro ups.com>> > > Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM> > > Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his

date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.> > > > > > I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is

asking again & again for the same.> > > > > > Thanks & regards.> > > > > > Vishram Deshpande> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview. mail.. com/photos> > >> >>

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Hi

Astrologers predictions may fail but not astrology .

Please do not ask me to prove through any future prediction, but i have experienced 1000's of accurate predcitions including date/time wise.

Astrologers predictions fails due to small negligency.

Q.No.16 is one of the best example that how astrology/astrologer will arrive to one perticular predictions.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande Sent: Sun, 1 November, 2009 7:01:53 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Sujata ji,I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly. As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts

?Vishram Deshpande

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear VishramBuddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss.In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately.RegrdsSujata

Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram

Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined.

What is my longivity?

Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK.

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >@gro ups.comSat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PMRe: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Vishram ji,If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha.Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans.First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death.KP Rule for Sanyasi-

If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008)This is my personal opinion.RegardsKalyan

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?

Dear Friends,

My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.

I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

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It is a fact that 100% correct prediction cannot be given

with the literature available and with the knowledge that we may gain by

studying them alone.

-KP Reader II p 46 para 3

Karma operated through a series of births till moksha was

attained.There were three categories of Karma- sanchita the accumulative,

parabdha the operative portion being our destiny in this life and agamithe

prospective – and the horoscope indicated the prarabdha. Therefore the

astrological predictions were tendencies on their way to fulfillment….

-B.V. Raman (Hindu Astrology and the West)

, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji,> > I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly. > > As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ?> > Vishram Deshpande> > > > > ________________________________> sujata das sujatadash1 > Sun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PM> Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?> > > Dear Vishram> Buddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss.> In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07.Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately.> Regrds> Sujata> > > > > > ________________________________> Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> @gro ups.com> Sat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PM> Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?> > > Dear Vishram> Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined.> > What is my longivity?> Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised.> Regards> Sahhasra Saagara> Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK.> > > > > ________________________________> Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> @gro ups.com> Sat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PM> Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?> > > Dear Vishram ji,> > If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha.> Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans.> First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death.> KP Rule for Sanyasi-> > If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008)> > This is my personal opinion.> > Regards> > Kalyan> > > > > ________________________________> Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>> KP System Forum @gro ups.com>> Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM> Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ?> > > Dear Friends,> > My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly.> > I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same.> > Thanks & regards.> > Vishram Deshpande> ________________________________> Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > > ________________________________> Try the new India Homepage. > ________________________________> Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! > > > > Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail./connectmore>

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Dear Sujata ji,

As mentioned before, a common pattern of transit has not yet been found.

Regards,

TW

, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

>

> Dear TWji

> My father had died on 20-7-94. around 12-18pm. Su was transitting in mo sa sa,

and mo in me mo ma. I had thought that dasa shud b sa ju mo instead of me me,

and I tried to rectify my TOB to 9-17 pm to make the dasa period to be sa ju ra

mo.

> But when I looked at the rising asc., it was virgo with moon sign also the

same. So it had to be mer dasa. Su is supposed to indicte the dasa but its not

true at all times.I had my divrce in ju ve ma dasa, and the su was in sa ju ke.

My husband died in Sa SA Sa, and the sun was in su ke ve

> Regards

> Sujata

>