Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 HiIn 1996 i was literally mad and one day suddenly my mind inclined to run my luna two wheeler in front of a Jeep, but within fraction of second my mind changed and felt that why i am thinking of death ? what happened to me and like resulted in my life save.Note:My moon is lord of 6th in the 8th cusp along with lagna lord Saturn.Moon and Sun in the 8th cusp resulted in thought of commit suicide, but both Moon and Saturn in Jupiter star lord of 2nd and 11th in the 5th resulted in life save.In my so many thought/think was negative only . later it has turned positive.RegardsSahhasra SaagaraTW <tw853 Sent: Mon, 2 November, 2009 7:43:48 PM Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? Post-mortem alone will correct one. Ignorant people may say, "What is the use of post-mortem? " Such people do not want to keep a record of success and failure in their attempts and try to improve all or learn improved methods.Pen and paper are available ; anything can be written by such people.-KP Reader IV, p 176 last para (any edition) @gro ups.com, santhosh10@. .. wrote:>> Dear yogeshji, you are very senior and experienced and knowledgeable. Hence it will be childish that question your arguement. > Nevertheless allow me to ask you two questions. > The date so arrived by you, will there be only one such combination in the life of a native and isnt it possible that if u do a postmartem you will see that there will be more than one such occassion, using kp itself. > > Secondly, u mentioned about postmartem on past deaths. I agree if u do such a post mortem you will find that all the deaths happened at a time as mentioned in your mail. But what does it prove? It certainly doesnt prove that there were more than one such date of probable death in a persons life. > > A more convincing reaserch would be to check our own past and see if there were such situation and if we find any, ask ourselves, why are we still alive. > Thanks > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@ ... > Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:55:44 > @gro ups.com > Cc: Santhoshsanthosh10@ ... > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > Dear Santhosh, > The exact day,date and time of death...can certainly be predicted by using K.P.,as shown by our late Guruji,the late KSK...he gave an example too in his book... > I had the Good Fortune to study under our Guruji himself,where he had advised us students,not to predict the Day and Time of Death...and as far as is possible avoid answering such questions... > However we did study how to do it... While doing so one correctly identify the Badhaka and Maraka Planets...Then the Birth Chart should be cast strictly as per K.P.,using the New KP Ayanamsa ,and then if the sub-lord of the VIIIth signifies I,VI,VIII & XII Death will surely take place during the periods of the significators of VI,VIII & XII...and on the Day that the s/l of the VIIIth transits the XIIth cusp...and the Dasa-lord's ,Bhukti lord's and Antara lord's Transits also agree... > One needs to practise this by doing Postmotem studies of the deaths of known persons...if Sat or Mars is the significator of VI,VIII or XII, then there will be a lingering death or death due to injury/fall/ accident/ bleeding and so on... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi. > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Santhosh santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > > Santhosh santhosh10@. .. > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > According to my Guru, as per traditional astrology there are 78 astrological moments in a person's life when death can occur. Death can occur at any of those moments. Due to some act of punya you may outlive many of them and get caught in any one of them. Even when you escape, such moments will be 'death like' moments. For example, you might remember instances like, if you had been a moment longer in that spot, that rock would have fallen on your head!!. I mean moments when you just escaped death by a fraction of a second. It can also be moments when you are battling for life in the hospital after, say, an accident and finally as a miracle you escape. All those are one of the moment of your possible death. > > This is exactly why it is said it is not possible to predict death. Now using KP you may arrive at a possible moment. However, it is possible that this is one such accurate moment and still the person may not die. If you analyse using Kp you will realise that after arriving at one such moment of death, you keep looking again forward and you will find another moment with the same signifying planets. How then to pedict which among all those moments will be final moment of death?? In a nutshell it is not possible. > now comes the arguement of how then mihira predicted the death of his kings son correctly and the cause of death as varaha, leading to him being renamed as varamihira. i believe this may not be based on astrology. Such enlightened souls (there were and there are many such people) can forsee death of a person using their forsight, sixth sense, intuition or whatever you may call. they truly see it and hence they can pinpoint the moment. > we can only suggest possible moments and during such moments death may or may not happen. It is one thing as to is it right to predict death. i am not entering that debate. > all I have to say is, if you predict and it comes wrong, dont be disheartened that your prediction came wrong, but be happy that this person is still alive > god bless all > santhosh > > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Mon, 2 November, 2009 3:39:23 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > As mentioned earlier, the rule is not very big, but the way the author has explained is bit complicated. The book is in Marathi. Most probably not available in book stores. I had to find address of the author, get his permission to meet him at his residence & buy it from him only. I tried to learn from basics from him & he tried, but I was unable to grasp fully, & that is why I wont be able to translate it for you. Its good if u can understand Marathi. > > He showed me a list of reputed astrologers who had come to him to learn. > > If you want details of the book you will have to wait till this Sunday. Now I am in Mumbai & the book is at my home (Pune) > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > Vijay Nellore nellorev > > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 8:39:00 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji: > Let us not blame astrology for"wrong predictions" . Let us-astrologer- take the blame. I have a question for Vishramji: Could you please give me the details of the calculations to arrive at date of death from the date of birth. I am very much interested inthat for the sake of knowledge,thanks and regards, > Vijay > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:31 PM > > > > > > > Dear Sujata ji, > > I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly. > > As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ? > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Buddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss. > In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately. > Regrds > Sujata > > > > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined. > > What is my longivity? > Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised. > Regards > Sahhasra Saagara > Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK. > > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > > @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram ji, > > If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha. > Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans. > First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death. > KP Rule for Sanyasi- > > If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008) > > This is my personal opinion. > > Regards > > Kalyan > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > KP System Forum @gro ups.com> > Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM > Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly. > > I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same. > > Thanks & regards. > > Vishram Deshpande > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear sir, Can you co-relate the incidence that happened in 1996 with the ruling planets and of course with Moon, Sun and Saturn, Please? Dr. Rath Sagar S <ssagar86 Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:11:24 AMRe: Re: Fraction of a second HiIn 1996 i was literally mad and one day suddenly my mind inclined to run my luna two wheeler in front of a Jeep, but within fraction of second my mind changed and felt that why i am thinking of death ? what happened to me and like resulted in my life save.Note:My moon is lord of 6th in the 8th cusp along with lagna lord Saturn.Moon and Sun in the 8th cusp resulted in thought of commit suicide, but both Moon and Saturn in Jupiter star lord of 2nd and 11th in the 5th resulted in life save.In my so many thought/think was negative only . later it has turned positive.RegardsSahhasra Saagara TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comMon, 2 November, 2009 7:43:48 PM Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? Post-mortem alone will correct one. Ignorant people may say, "What is the use of post-mortem? " Such people do not want to keep a record of success and failure in their attempts and try to improve all or learn improved methods.Pen and paper are available ; anything can be written by such people.-KP Reader IV, p 176 last para (any edition) @gro ups.com, santhosh10@. .. wrote:>> Dear yogeshji, you are very senior and experienced and knowledgeable. Hence it will be childish that question your arguement. > Nevertheless allow me to ask you two questions. > The date so arrived by you, will there be only one such combination in the life of a native and isnt it possible that if u do a postmartem you will see that there will be more than one such occassion, using kp itself. > > Secondly, u mentioned about postmartem on past deaths. I agree if u do such a post mortem you will find that all the deaths happened at a time as mentioned in your mail. But what does it prove? It certainly doesnt prove that there were more than one such date of probable death in a persons life. > > A more convincing reaserch would be to check our own past and see if there were such situation and if we find any, ask ourselves, why are we still alive. > Thanks > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@ ... > Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:55:44 > @gro ups.com > Cc: Santhoshsanthosh10@ ... > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > Dear Santhosh, > The exact day,date and time of death...can certainly be predicted by using K.P.,as shown by our late Guruji,the late KSK...he gave an example too in his book... > I had the Good Fortune to study under our Guruji himself,where he had advised us students,not to predict the Day and Time of Death...and as far as is possible avoid answering such questions... > However we did study how to do it... While doing so one correctly identify the Badhaka and Maraka Planets...Then the Birth Chart should be cast strictly as per K.P.,using the New KP Ayanamsa ,and then if the sub-lord of the VIIIth signifies I,VI,VIII & XII Death will surely take place during the periods of the significators of VI,VIII & XII...and on the Day that the s/l of the VIIIth transits the XIIth cusp...and the Dasa-lord's ,Bhukti lord's and Antara lord's Transits also agree... > One needs to practise this by doing Postmotem studies of the deaths of known persons...if Sat or Mars is the significator of VI,VIII or XII, then there will be a lingering death or death due to injury/fall/ accident/ bleeding and so on... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi. > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Santhosh santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > > Santhosh santhosh10@. .. > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > According to my Guru, as per traditional astrology there are 78 astrological moments in a person's life when death can occur. Death can occur at any of those moments. Due to some act of punya you may outlive many of them and get caught in any one of them. Even when you escape, such moments will be 'death like' moments. For example, you might remember instances like, if you had been a moment longer in that spot, that rock would have fallen on your head!!. I mean moments when you just escaped death by a fraction of a second. It can also be moments when you are battling for life in the hospital after, say, an accident and finally as a miracle you escape. All those are one of the moment of your possible death. > > This is exactly why it is said it is not possible to predict death. Now using KP you may arrive at a possible moment. However, it is possible that this is one such accurate moment and still the person may not die. If you analyse using Kp you will realise that after arriving at one such moment of death, you keep looking again forward and you will find another moment with the same signifying planets. How then to pedict which among all those moments will be final moment of death?? In a nutshell it is not possible. > now comes the arguement of how then mihira predicted the death of his kings son correctly and the cause of death as varaha, leading to him being renamed as varamihira. i believe this may not be based on astrology. Such enlightened souls (there were and there are many such people) can forsee death of a person using their forsight, sixth sense, intuition or whatever you may call. they truly see it and hence they can pinpoint the moment. > we can only suggest possible moments and during such moments death may or may not happen. It is one thing as to is it right to predict death. i am not entering that debate. > all I have to say is, if you predict and it comes wrong, dont be disheartened that your prediction came wrong, but be happy that this person is still alive > god bless all > santhosh > > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Mon, 2 November, 2009 3:39:23 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > As mentioned earlier, the rule is not very big, but the way the author has explained is bit complicated. The book is in Marathi. Most probably not available in book stores. I had to find address of the author, get his permission to meet him at his residence & buy it from him only. I tried to learn from basics from him & he tried, but I was unable to grasp fully, & that is why I wont be able to translate it for you. Its good if u can understand Marathi. > > He showed me a list of reputed astrologers who had come to him to learn. > > If you want details of the book you will have to wait till this Sunday. Now I am in Mumbai & the book is at my home (Pune) > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > Vijay Nellore nellorev > > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 8:39:00 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji: > Let us not blame astrology for"wrong predictions" . Let us-astrologer- take the blame. I have a question for Vishramji: Could you please give me the details of the calculations to arrive at date of death from the date of birth. I am very much interested inthat for the sake of knowledge,thanks and regards, > Vijay > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:31 PM > > > > > > > Dear Sujata ji, > > I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly. > > As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ? > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Buddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss. > In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately. > Regrds > Sujata > > > > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined. > > What is my longivity? > Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised. > Regards > Sahhasra Saagara > Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK. > > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > > To: @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram ji, > > If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha. > Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans. > First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death. > KP Rule for Sanyasi- > > If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008) > > This is my personal opinion. > > Regards > > Kalyan > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > KP System Forum @gro ups.com> > Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM > Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly. > > I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same. > > Thanks & regards. > > Vishram Deshpande > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > > > > Try the new India Homepage. > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. > > > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek.> Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Dr.Rath I was literally mad in that period. At that time 1996 i was running with Mer/Moo dasha bhukti period and Satrun transit over my natal venus. In 1996 two/three time my mind was inclined towards suicide or death. But in all times suddenly i have changed my mind say in fraction of second. In general transit of Saturn over bhadhaka lord or aspect the bhadhka lord by Saturn in transit will cause financial loss/health problem/even up to death stage. in 1996 i have faced mentally literally mad, i lost interest in astrological predictions and send back my clients/faced financial crisis. at the same Mr.Bachchan too faced financial loss. My and Mr.Bachchan;s lagna is Kumbha and Moon sign is Libra.His birth star is Swati and mine is Vishaka. Most probabaly Mer/Moo/Sat or Mer i feel. Thanks for the interest shown on my chart. Thanks & Regards SAhhasra Saagara Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Thu, 5 November, 2009 9:08:29 AMRe: Re: Fraction of a second Dear sir, Can you co-relate the incidence that happened in 1996 with the ruling planets and of course with Moon, Sun and Saturn, Please? Dr. Rath Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWed, November 4, 2009 12:11:24 AMRe: Re: Fraction of a second HiIn 1996 i was literally mad and one day suddenly my mind inclined to run my luna two wheeler in front of a Jeep, but within fraction of second my mind changed and felt that why i am thinking of death ? what happened to me and like resulted in my life save.Note:My moon is lord of 6th in the 8th cusp along with lagna lord Saturn.Moon and Sun in the 8th cusp resulted in thought of commit suicide, but both Moon and Saturn in Jupiter star lord of 2nd and 11th in the 5th resulted in life save.In my so many thought/think was negative only . later it has turned positive.RegardsSahhasra Saagara TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comMon, 2 November, 2009 7:43:48 PM Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? Post-mortem alone will correct one. Ignorant people may say, "What is the use of post-mortem? " Such people do not want to keep a record of success and failure in their attempts and try to improve all or learn improved methods.Pen and paper are available ; anything can be written by such people.-KP Reader IV, p 176 last para (any edition) @gro ups.com, santhosh10@. .. wrote:>> Dear yogeshji, you are very senior and experienced and knowledgeable. Hence it will be childish that question your arguement. > Nevertheless allow me to ask you two questions. > The date so arrived by you, will there be only one such combination in the life of a native and isnt it possible that if u do a postmartem you will see that there will be more than one such occassion, using kp itself. > > Secondly, u mentioned about postmartem on past deaths. I agree if u do such a post mortem you will find that all the deaths happened at a time as mentioned in your mail. But what does it prove? It certainly doesnt prove that there were more than one such date of probable death in a persons life. > > A more convincing reaserch would be to check our own past and see if there were such situation and if we find any, ask ourselves, why are we still alive. > Thanks > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@ ... > Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:55:44 > @gro ups.com > Cc: Santhoshsanthosh10@ ... > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > Dear Santhosh, > The exact day,date and time of death...can certainly be predicted by using K.P.,as shown by our late Guruji,the late KSK...he gave an example too in his book... > I had the Good Fortune to study under our Guruji himself,where he had advised us students,not to predict the Day and Time of Death...and as far as is possible avoid answering such questions... > However we did study how to do it... While doing so one correctly identify the Badhaka and Maraka Planets...Then the Birth Chart should be cast strictly as per K.P.,using the New KP Ayanamsa ,and then if the sub-lord of the VIIIth signifies I,VI,VIII & XII Death will surely take place during the periods of the significators of VI,VIII & XII...and on the Day that the s/l of the VIIIth transits the XIIth cusp...and the Dasa-lord's ,Bhukti lord's and Antara lord's Transits also agree... > One needs to practise this by doing Postmotem studies of the deaths of known persons...if Sat or Mars is the significator of VI,VIII or XII, then there will be a lingering death or death due to injury/fall/ accident/ bleeding and so on... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi. > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Santhosh santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > > Santhosh santhosh10@. .. > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > According to my Guru, as per traditional astrology there are 78 astrological moments in a person's life when death can occur. Death can occur at any of those moments. Due to some act of punya you may outlive many of them and get caught in any one of them. Even when you escape, such moments will be 'death like' moments. For example, you might remember instances like, if you had been a moment longer in that spot, that rock would have fallen on your head!!. I mean moments when you just escaped death by a fraction of a second. It can also be moments when you are battling for life in the hospital after, say, an accident and finally as a miracle you escape. All those are one of the moment of your possible death. > > This is exactly why it is said it is not possible to predict death. Now using KP you may arrive at a possible moment. However, it is possible that this is one such accurate moment and still the person may not die. If you analyse using Kp you will realise that after arriving at one such moment of death, you keep looking again forward and you will find another moment with the same signifying planets. How then to pedict which among all those moments will be final moment of death?? In a nutshell it is not possible. > now comes the arguement of how then mihira predicted the death of his kings son correctly and the cause of death as varaha, leading to him being renamed as varamihira. i believe this may not be based on astrology. Such enlightened souls (there were and there are many such people) can forsee death of a person using their forsight, sixth sense, intuition or whatever you may call. they truly see it and hence they can pinpoint the moment. > we can only suggest possible moments and during such moments death may or may not happen. It is one thing as to is it right to predict death. i am not entering that debate. > all I have to say is, if you predict and it comes wrong, dont be disheartened that your prediction came wrong, but be happy that this person is still alive > god bless all > santhosh > > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Mon, 2 November, 2009 3:39:23 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > As mentioned earlier, the rule is not very big, but the way the author has explained is bit complicated. The book is in Marathi. Most probably not available in book stores. I had to find address of the author, get his permission to meet him at his residence & buy it from him only. I tried to learn from basics from him & he tried, but I was unable to grasp fully, & that is why I wont be able to translate it for you. Its good if u can understand Marathi. > > He showed me a list of reputed astrologers who had come to him to learn. > > If you want details of the book you will have to wait till this Sunday. Now I am in Mumbai & the book is at my home (Pune) > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > Vijay Nellore nellorev > > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 8:39:00 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji: > Let us not blame astrology for"wrong predictions" . Let us-astrologer- take the blame. I have a question for Vishramji: Could you please give me the details of the calculations to arrive at date of death from the date of birth. I am very much interested inthat for the sake of knowledge,thanks and regards, > Vijay > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:31 PM > > > > > > > Dear Sujata ji, > > I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly. > > As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ? > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Buddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss. > In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately. > Regrds > Sujata > > > > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined. > > What is my longivity? > Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised. > Regards > Sahhasra Saagara > Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK. > > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > > To: @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram ji, > > If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha. > Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans. > First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death. > KP Rule for Sanyasi- > > If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008) > > This is my personal opinion. > > Regards > > Kalyan > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > KP System Forum @gro ups.com> > Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM > Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly. > > I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same. > > Thanks & regards. > > Vishram Deshpande > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Thank you Saagarji for replying. Dr. Rath Sagar S <ssagar86 Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 10:55:06 PMRe: Re: Fraction of a second Dear Dr.Rath I was literally mad in that period. At that time 1996 i was running with Mer/Moo dasha bhukti period and Satrun transit over my natal venus. In 1996 two/three time my mind was inclined towards suicide or death. But in all times suddenly i have changed my mind say in fraction of second. In general transit of Saturn over bhadhaka lord or aspect the bhadhka lord by Saturn in transit will cause financial loss/health problem/even up to death stage. in 1996 i have faced mentally literally mad, i lost interest in astrological predictions and send back my clients/faced financial crisis. at the same Mr.Bachchan too faced financial loss. My and Mr.Bachchan; s lagna is Kumbha and Moon sign is Libra.His birth star is Swati and mine is Vishaka. Most probabaly Mer/Moo/Sat or Mer i feel. Thanks for the interest shown on my chart. Thanks & Regards SAhhasra Saagara Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comThu, 5 November, 2009 9:08:29 AMRe: Re: Fraction of a second Dear sir, Can you co-relate the incidence that happened in 1996 with the ruling planets and of course with Moon, Sun and Saturn, Please? Dr. Rath Sagar S <ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWed, November 4, 2009 12:11:24 AMRe: Re: Fraction of a second HiIn 1996 i was literally mad and one day suddenly my mind inclined to run my luna two wheeler in front of a Jeep, but within fraction of second my mind changed and felt that why i am thinking of death ? what happened to me and like resulted in my life save.Note:My moon is lord of 6th in the 8th cusp along with lagna lord Saturn.Moon and Sun in the 8th cusp resulted in thought of commit suicide, but both Moon and Saturn in Jupiter star lord of 2nd and 11th in the 5th resulted in life save.In my so many thought/think was negative only . later it has turned positive.RegardsSahhasra Saagara TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comMon, 2 November, 2009 7:43:48 PM Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? Post-mortem alone will correct one. Ignorant people may say, "What is the use of post-mortem? " Such people do not want to keep a record of success and failure in their attempts and try to improve all or learn improved methods.Pen and paper are available ; anything can be written by such people.-KP Reader IV, p 176 last para (any edition) @gro ups.com, santhosh10@. .. wrote:>> Dear yogeshji, you are very senior and experienced and knowledgeable. Hence it will be childish that question your arguement. > Nevertheless allow me to ask you two questions. > The date so arrived by you, will there be only one such combination in the life of a native and isnt it possible that if u do a postmartem you will see that there will be more than one such occassion, using kp itself. > > Secondly, u mentioned about postmartem on past deaths. I agree if u do such a post mortem you will find that all the deaths happened at a time as mentioned in your mail. But what does it prove? It certainly doesnt prove that there were more than one such date of probable death in a persons life. > > A more convincing reaserch would be to check our own past and see if there were such situation and if we find any, ask ourselves, why are we still alive. > Thanks > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@ ... > Mon, 2 Nov 2009 03:55:44 > @gro ups.com > Cc: Santhoshsanthosh10@ ... > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > Dear Santhosh, > The exact day,date and time of death...can certainly be predicted by using K.P.,as shown by our late Guruji,the late KSK...he gave an example too in his book... > I had the Good Fortune to study under our Guruji himself,where he had advised us students,not to predict the Day and Time of Death...and as far as is possible avoid answering such questions... > However we did study how to do it... While doing so one correctly identify the Badhaka and Maraka Planets...Then the Birth Chart should be cast strictly as per K.P.,using the New KP Ayanamsa ,and then if the sub-lord of the VIIIth signifies I,VI,VIII & XII Death will surely take place during the periods of the significators of VI,VIII & XII...and on the Day that the s/l of the VIIIth transits the XIIth cusp...and the Dasa-lord's ,Bhukti lord's and Antara lord's Transits also agree... > One needs to practise this by doing Postmotem studies of the deaths of known persons...if Sat or Mars is the significator of VI,VIII or XII, then there will be a lingering death or death due to injury/fall/ accident/ bleeding and so on... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi. > > > --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Santhosh santhosh10@. .. wrote: > > > Santhosh santhosh10@. .. > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Monday, November 2, 2009, 10:58 AM > > > > > > > > > According to my Guru, as per traditional astrology there are 78 astrological moments in a person's life when death can occur. Death can occur at any of those moments. Due to some act of punya you may outlive many of them and get caught in any one of them. Even when you escape, such moments will be 'death like' moments. For example, you might remember instances like, if you had been a moment longer in that spot, that rock would have fallen on your head!!. I mean moments when you just escaped death by a fraction of a second. It can also be moments when you are battling for life in the hospital after, say, an accident and finally as a miracle you escape. All those are one of the moment of your possible death. > > This is exactly why it is said it is not possible to predict death. Now using KP you may arrive at a possible moment. However, it is possible that this is one such accurate moment and still the person may not die. If you analyse using Kp you will realise that after arriving at one such moment of death, you keep looking again forward and you will find another moment with the same signifying planets. How then to pedict which among all those moments will be final moment of death?? In a nutshell it is not possible. > now comes the arguement of how then mihira predicted the death of his kings son correctly and the cause of death as varaha, leading to him being renamed as varamihira. i believe this may not be based on astrology. Such enlightened souls (there were and there are many such people) can forsee death of a person using their forsight, sixth sense, intuition or whatever you may call. they truly see it and hence they can pinpoint the moment. > we can only suggest possible moments and during such moments death may or may not happen. It is one thing as to is it right to predict death. i am not entering that debate. > all I have to say is, if you predict and it comes wrong, dont be disheartened that your prediction came wrong, but be happy that this person is still alive > god bless all > santhosh > > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Mon, 2 November, 2009 3:39:23 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > As mentioned earlier, the rule is not very big, but the way the author has explained is bit complicated. The book is in Marathi. Most probably not available in book stores. I had to find address of the author, get his permission to meet him at his residence & buy it from him only. I tried to learn from basics from him & he tried, but I was unable to grasp fully, & that is why I wont be able to translate it for you. Its good if u can understand Marathi. > > He showed me a list of reputed astrologers who had come to him to learn. > > If you want details of the book you will have to wait till this Sunday. Now I am in Mumbai & the book is at my home (Pune) > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > Vijay Nellore nellorev > > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 8:39:00 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji: > Let us not blame astrology for"wrong predictions" . Let us-astrologer- take the blame. I have a question for Vishramji: Could you please give me the details of the calculations to arrive at date of death from the date of birth. I am very much interested inthat for the sake of knowledge,thanks and regards, > Vijay > > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > @gro ups.com > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 1:31 PM > > > > > > > Dear Sujata ji, > > I am very much surprised to see your statement "Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately." What our Guruji KSK has said is totally different. "Whether one blesses or not, prays or not, puts a gem or not, the things will & must happen according to one's fate. We put on gem, we pray God, we receive blessings, all these only when the time is ripe. So it is the destiny which is master of everything." (Ref KP Reader 4/Apr 06/ p 119) What is KP system ? It is a science by which one can predict some one's destiny. We fail only because we don't use the theory correctly. If the theory is used correctly there is no chance that one can predict wrongly. > > As you say, if astrology is really not giving correct predictions accurately, what are we doing here & spending some time in writing posts ? > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Sun, 1 November, 2009 3:17:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Buddha had emphasise rigt 'Right thoght, action and speech'. I never understood the significance of right thought till I learnt Theta Healing. Its said that u create your life with ur thoughts. Negative thoughts had landed Mr sagar with disease and weight loss. > In the year 2000, Dr Kar had predicted death of my father for 26-6-2001. His second option was for Nov 2003, based on my horary no. My father actually died on 20-7 07. Astrology doesn't give correct predictions accurately. > Regrds > Sujata > > > > > > > Sagar S ssagar86 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 10:23:34 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram > Date of Death confirmation is not so joke, if we found such events we can predict with confirm as death is pre destined. > > What is my longivity? > Was analysed in 1993 and out come prediction was 16th February 2005 is not good for my longivity , yes, on 16th February 2005 i had faced ulcer/thyrosis and 10 kg weight loss, hospitalised. > Regards > Sahhasra Saagara > Article appeared in 2009 KP & Astrology Editor;Mr.K. Subramaniam s/o late KSK. > > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > > To: @gro ups.com > Sat, 31 October, 2009 7:43:55 PM > Re: Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Vishram ji, > > If your Boss is having a mind to be a Sanyasi, surely he has taken it from his previous birth. Further he is willing to give up all the bag baggage of this Aathma and directing towards Moksha. > Hence he may not have any fear of death, as for most of other humans. > First check his chart and confirm the entwine of Sanyasi. If it is OK don't hesitate to tell him the date of his death. > KP Rule for Sanyasi- > > If 1st cuspal sub lord (CSL) signifies houses 3,10,12, (9) and connected with Sa in any way, one can become sannyasi, during DBAS jointly signifying 3,10,12, and preferably connected with Sa in any way. (KP House Grouping- 5, in KPE-zine January 2008) > > This is my personal opinion. > > Regards > > Kalyan > > > > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > KP System Forum @gro ups.com> > Sat, October 31, 2009 11:51:04 AM > Is it correct to confirm someone's date of death ? > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > My ex boss in Botswana, who is my Guru in KP learning, has worked out himself his date of death (not told to me, but is within 2 yrs 6 months from now). He has told me to work out from his rectified birth chart & confirm the same & tell it to him. He wants to confirm this because he wants to wind up the things well in time & come back to India. Secondly, he wants to spend some time as a sanyasi before he dies & for that he will have to resign from the work accordingly. > > I want to know from senior members, is it correct to find out some one's date of death if he has neither met an accident nor having any physical problems ? He is 57 years old. I remember to have read in some books that unless we have some special reasons, we must not work out date of death. On the other side, its dificult to just neglect because he is the one who gave me basic lessons of KP astrology. Without him teaching me, I couldn't have come to KP learning. Please let me know what seniors think. My ex boss is asking again & again for the same. > > Thanks & regards. > > Vishram Deshpande > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > > > > Try the new India Homepage. > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. > > > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek.> Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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