Why Shri KN Rao's Double Transit doesn't make sense

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Dear MS

Forget everything what we have learnt about placidus system. Please download demo software from www.astro22.com and prepare the horoscope, it will be purely on sayan (western system) It means what you says the length of lagna bhava is 72 and like and the same will be with 7th house. When we get sayan position of cusps as well as planets, then what ayanamshas you feet from all kp astrology sites, deduct that ayanamshas from sayan position and prepare the fully nirayan bhavchalit cusps and then apply all and every rules. Then you will come to know in KP asrology also, everything can be tallied.

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:34:48 +0530 wrote

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Dear mssumich,

 

this is regarding your confusion on the use of placidus house system.

actually it is very simple when you follow a simple rule. "when in rome do as romans do'

kp is a tried and tested system and many get good results from it. to get such results they have been using placidus house system. hence when you check a prediction using kp system then please use this house system and use kp ayanamsha, you will not have any problem.

now you say that you have problem with the traditional method when you use placidus house system. so it is simple, when you have to use the traditional mathod change the house system to your usual system with which you are comfortable.

hence dont take something from here, something from there etc and try to do something etc. follow one system completely and when you change system follow everything pertaining to that system.

santhosh

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mssumich

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>Wed, 4 November, 2009 9:45:51 PM

> Re: Why Shri KN Rao's Double Transit doesn't make sense

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Hi Punit

>Like many of the 100s of tools that Jyotish gives - don't believe in all the techniques that one comes up with. From Paul Manley's website here is what he says

>"What you'll see in the following illustrations is how the sign(s) that gets the double transit will shift, generally from year to year. In fact, there are only two positions of Jupiter and Saturn that will not have the double transit phenomenon – when Jupiter is in the 8th or 12th house from Saturn. This means that 10 out of the 12 possible positions, or more than 80% of the time, there will be the double transit phenomenon happening in at least one sign, possibly two."

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>I have see this double transit work sometimes and sometimes not. Obviuosly we have to pay attention to sookshma transits (or finer transits) and just double transit.

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>I urge some expert to answer my question on the Placidus house system for a chart that I put on the other day. One bhava covers 58

deg of zodiac, there are 3 planets in 8th house; This person is very succesful. I can explain every event using vedic astreology and nakshatra analysis. The moment I put 3 planets in 8th in this chart, I am lost.

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>For latititude that are closer to 66 deg N or S - I believe the Placidus system of houses give wierd house cusps(correct me if I am wrong). This actor was born in Scotland where latitude in 55deg. My question is for people born in such norhtern altitudes -what system works? Is it still Placidus wasy of calculating houses or something else. There should a clear answer from KP experts. I am hoping there is that person in this list.

>thanks

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>@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:

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>> Dear Friends,

>>

>> KP made timing an event much more easier. Though as

a KP astrologer, I

>> always feel that it will be nice to have another complementary method by

>> which we can cross-check and confirm. In search of another such method for

>> timing events, I looked into many methods and Shri KN Rao's double transit

>> is among them.

>>

>> I personally feel that it is merely a tool for post-mortem and not useful

>> for future predictions. Let us take an example of Marriage. Double-transit

>> suggests that transiting Jupiter and Saturn will always be aspecting Natal

>> 7th and 7th lord at the time of marriage.

>>

>> Now Jupiter has three aspects - 5,7, and 9. So including its own position,

>> it will be influencing four houses in any chart. Which means that at any

>> point of time the possibility of aspecting 7th is 33.33% and 7th lord is

>> also 33.33%. If we take Jupiter's influence on either 7th OR 7th lord,

>> possibility will double from

4/12 to 8/12 or 66.66%. So at any time, we have

>> 66.66% possibility of Jupiter aspecting either 7th or 7th lord. In other

>> words, around 66% of time in one's life, we will see that Jupiter is

>> influencing either 7th or 7th. Of course, this calculation doesn't consider

>> some of the possibility e.g. 7th lord is in 7th house itself. Anyways, I

>> have seen Shri KN Rao is also checking Moon for transit other than

>> Ascendant. Which doubles the possibility and if somehow Jupiter is not

>> aspecting 7th and 7th lord counting from Lagna, it will aspect 7th or 7th

>> lord from Moon. So in any point of one's life, if take transit from Moon as

>> well as Ascendant, it is almost certain that Jupiter will influencing either

>> 7th from ascendant, or 7th lord from ascendant, or 7th from Moon, or 7th

>> lord from Moon.

>>

>> Similarly, Saturn also has 3 aspects and the above write-up is true

for

>> Saturn as well. In other words, seeing the above possibility, I feel that

>> Double-Transit doesn't make sense at all.

>>

>> To sound this method sensible and experimental purpose, I checked reducing

>> the possibility by checking transit only from Ascendant. If I do that way, I

>> have many cases where it fails.

>>

>> In other words, I do not find Double-transit theory useful at all.

>>

>> Thanks Regards,

>>

>> Punit Pandey

>>

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>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, aashish rai wrote:

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>> > Dear Sundar,

>> >

>> > In classical astrology there are so many dashas, if vimshottari was only

>> > required than why did Parashara muni talked about so many dashas. Other

>> > dashas like Yogini are showing it.

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>> >

>> >

>> > Let's forget

about DBAs for time being as per double transit theory of Shri

>> > Kn rao marriage chances are high when transit Saturn and Jupiter aspect

>> > natal 1/7 axis or their natal lords. In rare cases 9th lord will be

>> > involved.

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>> >

>> > Natal chart,

>> >

>> > Jupier is aspecting natal 7th lord, lagna lord and Lagna

>> >

>> > Saturn is sitting in Lagna itself, aspecting 7th house

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>> > Won't be surprised if there is a child birth/pregency before end august

>> > 2010 !!!

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> > Aashish

>> >

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>> > ** Sundar

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>> > *To:* @gro ups.com

>> > *Sent:* Wed, 4 November, 2009 10:31:33 AM

>> > *Subject:* Re: Post mortem analysis of marriage

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>> > Dear Aashish

>> >

>> > I know you would say, venus is the UL lord, hence the marriage in venus

>> > PAD. But did you see venus was debilitated on the day of marriage?

>> >

>> > Thanks...... ....Sundar

>> >

>> > @gro ups.com , aashish

>> > rai wrote:

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>> > > Dear Sundarji,

>> > > I have just started learning KP and yet to pick up the basics. but if you

>> > use traditional astrology it's very clear. As this forum is for KP only I am

>> > not elaborating.

>> > >

>> > >

Regards,

>> > > Aashish

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>> > >

>> > >

>> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>> > > Sundar

>> > > @gro ups.com

>> >

>> > > Sun, 1 November, 2009 10:59:22 PM

>> > > Post mortem analysis of marriage

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Dear Learned members

>> > >

>> > > My neighbour go married on 21st Oct, 2009 between 9 to 10am. The transit

>> > of DBAS does not fully signify the event fully.

>> > >

>> > > dob: 25th Aug, 1979

>> > > tob: 9.37 (rectified)

>> > > pob: Mumbai

>> > >

>> > > Time of birth reported is 9.22am

>> > > Ayanamsha :

23.28.58

>> > >

>> > > dasha/bukti/ antra

>> > >

>> > > planet sgl stl sl

>> > > (MD)rahu(11) sun(11,12) venus(11,2-9) venus(11,2-9)

>> > > (AD)ketu(5) sat(12,5-6) rahu(11) venus(11,2-9)

>> > > (PAD)venus(11, 2-9) sun(11,12) ketu(5) jupiter(11,4- 7)

>> > >

>> > > rahu=sun(11, 12)

>> > > ketu=saturn( 12,5-6)

>> > >

>> > > Marriage on 21st October 2009 between 9 am to 10 am

>> > >

>> > > planet sgl stl sl

>> > > (MD)rahu(4) sat(12,5-6) sun(1,12) jupiter(5,4- 7)

>> > > (AD)ketu(10) moon(2,11) jupiter(5,4- 7) rahu-MD(4)

>> > > (PAD)venus(12, 2-9) mer(1,1-10) moon(2,11) rahu-MD(4)

>> > >

>> > > sun venus(12,2-9) mars(10,3-8) venus(12,2-9)

>> > > moon mars(10,3-8) sat(12,5-6) venus(12,2-9)

>> > >

>> > > Baed on the above

it is seen that MD/AD/PAD does not fully signify DBAS

>> > (except for ketu, which is rahu's sub.

>> > >

>> > > In the light of the above how do we reconcile the timing of marriage.

>> > >

>> > > Thanks...... ...Sundar

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