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Dear Senthil and Others

Thank you for your viewpoint. I request others KP astrologers, who might have

seen charts for people born in Northern latitudes (Scotland, Canada,

Scandinavian countries) - where the 2 houses can be in the same sign and/or the

degree distance between two houses cusps can be as high as 58 deg (The example I

gave is for Sean Connery -James Bond). Kindly note -the data is AA rated from

Astrodatabank. Thanks

MS

 

, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

>

> Dear mssumich,

>  

> The placidus system is valid for the latitude up to 66d30m only. As you have

mentioned that the birth place of the person is 55Deg north, the diurnal circle

will show more day time than night and vice versa depending upon the sun

declination. However for this sort of latitude the distance (difference in

degree) between the two consecutive cusps may go high as mentioned by you. I

have not cast any charts for such high latitude may be our members who have

experienced with such latitude may answer for your query.

>  

> Is there any astrology is followed in Scotland. If so what is the house

division followed may be checked for you to proceed further.

>  

> You may need to test few more case to conclude that the use of placidus house

for higher latitude in KP system.

>  

> I am unable provide more details and it needs some study.

>

>  

> GOOD LUCK!

>  

> D.Senthil

>

> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, mssumich <mssumich wrote:

>

>

> mssumich <mssumich

> Re: Why Shri KN Rao's Double Transit doesn't make sense

>

> Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 8:15 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi Punit

> Like many of the 100s of tools that Jyotish gives - don't believe in all the

techniques that one comes up with. From Paul Manley's website here is what he

says

> " What you'll see in the following illustrations is how the sign(s) that gets

the double transit will shift, generally from year to year. In fact, there are

only two positions of Jupiter and Saturn that will not have the double transit

phenomenon †" when Jupiter is in the 8th or 12th house from Saturn. This means

that 10 out of the 12 possible positions, or more than 80% of the time, there

will be the double transit phenomenon happening in at least one sign, possibly

two. "

>

> I have see this double transit work sometimes and sometimes not. Obviuosly we

have to pay attention to sookshma transits (or finer transits) and just double

transit.

>

> I urge some expert to answer my question on the Placidus house system for a

chart that I put on the other day. One bhava covers 58 deg of zodiac, there are

3 planets in 8th house; This person is very succesful. I can explain every event

using vedic astreology and nakshatra analysis. The moment I put 3 planets in 8th

in this chart, I am lost.

>

> For latititude that are closer to 66 deg N or S - I believe the Placidus

system of houses give wierd house cusps(correct me if I am wrong). This actor

was born in Scotland where latitude in 55deg. My question is for people born in

such norhtern altitudes -what system works? Is it still Placidus wasy of

calculating houses or something else. There should a clear answer from KP

experts. I am hoping there is that person in this list.

> thanks

>

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > KP made timing an event much more easier. Though as a KP astrologer, I

> > always feel that it will be nice to have another complementary method by

> > which we can cross-check and confirm. In search of another such method for

> > timing events, I looked into many methods and Shri KN Rao's double transit

> > is among them.

> >

> > I personally feel that it is merely a tool for post-mortem and not useful

> > for future predictions. Let us take an example of Marriage. Double-transit

> > suggests that transiting Jupiter and Saturn will always be aspecting Natal

> > 7th and 7th lord at the time of marriage.

> >

> > Now Jupiter has three aspects - 5,7, and 9. So including its own position,

> > it will be influencing four houses in any chart. Which means that at any

> > point of time the possibility of aspecting 7th is 33.33% and 7th lord is

> > also 33.33%. If we take Jupiter's influence on either 7th OR 7th lord,

> > possibility will double from 4/12 to 8/12 or 66.66%. So at any time, we have

> > 66.66% possibility of Jupiter aspecting either 7th or 7th lord. In other

> > words, around 66% of time in one's life, we will see that Jupiter is

> > influencing either 7th or 7th. Of course, this calculation doesn't consider

> > some of the possibility e.g. 7th lord is in 7th house itself. Anyways, I

> > have seen Shri KN Rao is also checking Moon for transit other than

> > Ascendant. Which doubles the possibility and if somehow Jupiter is not

> > aspecting 7th and 7th lord counting from Lagna, it will aspect 7th or 7th

> > lord from Moon. So in any point of one's life, if take transit from Moon as

> > well as Ascendant, it is almost certain that Jupiter will influencing either

> > 7th from ascendant, or 7th lord from ascendant, or 7th from Moon, or 7th

> > lord from Moon.

> >

> > Similarly, Saturn also has 3 aspects and the above write-up is true for

> > Saturn as well. In other words, seeing the above possibility, I feel that

> > Double-Transit doesn't make sense at all.

> >

> > To sound this method sensible and experimental purpose, I checked reducing

> > the possibility by checking transit only from Ascendant. If I do that way, I

> > have many cases where it fails.

> >

> > In other words, I do not find Double-transit theory useful at all.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, aashish rai <raiaashish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sundar,

> > >

> > > In classical astrology there are so many dashas, if vimshottari was only

> > > required than why did Parashara muni talked about so many dashas. Other

> > > dashas like Yogini are showing it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let's forget about DBAs for time being as per double transit theory of

Shri

> > > Kn rao marriage chances are high when transit Saturn and Jupiter aspect

> > > natal 1/7 axis or their natal lords. In rare cases 9th lord will be

> > > involved.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Natal chart,

> > >

> > > Jupier is aspecting natal 7th lord, lagna lord and Lagna

> > >

> > > Saturn is sitting in Lagna itself, aspecting 7th house

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Won't be surprised if there is a child birth/pregency before end august

> > > 2010 !!!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Aashish

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > ** Sundar <sundar190561@ ...>

> > >

> > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > *Sent:* Wed, 4 November, 2009 10:31:33 AM

> > > *Subject:* Re: Post mortem analysis of marriage

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Aashish

> > >

> > > I know you would say, venus is the UL lord, hence the marriage in venus

> > > PAD. But did you see venus was debilitated on the day of marriage?

> > >

> > > Thanks...... ....Sundar

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

aashish

> > > rai <raiaashish@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sundarji,

> > > > I have just started learning KP and yet to pick up the basics. but if

you

> > > use traditional astrology it's very clear. As this forum is for KP only I

am

> > > not elaborating.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Aashish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Sundar <sundar190561@ ...>

> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>

> > >

> > > > Sun, 1 November, 2009 10:59:22 PM

> > > > Post mortem analysis of marriage

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Learned members

> > > >

> > > > My neighbour go married on 21st Oct, 2009 between 9 to 10am. The transit

> > > of DBAS does not fully signify the event fully.

> > > >

> > > > dob: 25th Aug, 1979

> > > > tob: 9.37 (rectified)

> > > > pob: Mumbai

> > > >

> > > > Time of birth reported is 9.22am

> > > > Ayanamsha : 23.28.58

> > > >

> > > > dasha/bukti/ antra

> > > >

> > > > planet sgl stl sl

> > > > (MD)rahu(11) sun(11,12) venus(11,2-9) venus(11,2-9)

> > > > (AD)ketu(5) sat(12,5-6) rahu(11) venus(11,2-9)

> > > > (PAD)venus(11, 2-9) sun(11,12) ketu(5) jupiter(11,4- 7)

> > > >

> > > > rahu=sun(11, 12)

> > > > ketu=saturn( 12,5-6)

> > > >

> > > > Marriage on 21st October 2009 between 9 am to 10 am

> > > >

> > > > planet sgl stl sl

> > > > (MD)rahu(4) sat(12,5-6) sun(1,12) jupiter(5,4- 7)

> > > > (AD)ketu(10) moon(2,11) jupiter(5,4- 7) rahu-MD(4)

> > > > (PAD)venus(12, 2-9) mer(1,1-10) moon(2,11) rahu-MD(4)

> > > >

> > > > sun venus(12,2-9) mars(10,3-8) venus(12,2-9)

> > > > moon mars(10,3-8) sat(12,5-6) venus(12,2-9)

> > > >

> > > > Baed on the above it is seen that MD/AD/PAD does not fully signify DBAS

> > > (except for ketu, which is rahu's sub.

> > > >

> > > > In the light of the above how do we reconcile the timing of marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks...... ...Sundar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how.

http://in.overview.

> > > mail.. com/connectmore<http://in.overview. mail..

com/connectmore>

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn

more<http://in.rd. / tagline_galaxy_ 3/*http:/ /in.overview.

mail.. com/>

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Tony Blair, born in Scotland, 12th cusp with around 49 deg wide, no strong view

of doubt about the Placidus house system is found

 

Canadian born, 11th cusp extends only around 38 deg.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Mulroney%2C_Brian

 

Joanne Wickenburg said in her book " Your Hidden Powers: Intercepted Signs and

Retrograde Planets " page 11 that the Placidus house system is the most widely

accepted and in her own experience, she has found that the Placidus house system

serves her well.

 

Intercepted signs can be found also in Indian charts, for examples in KP Reader

IV (any edition), charts in pp 99,105, 123, 207, 225, 231, 241.

 

A comparison study of Sean Connery with 3 planets in 8th and Amitabh Bachchan

with 3 planets in the star of planet in 8th may be interesting.

 

, " mssumich " <mssumich wrote:

>

> Dear Senthil and Others

> Thank you for your viewpoint. I request others KP astrologers, who might have

seen charts for people born in Northern latitudes (Scotland, Canada,

Scandinavian countries) - where the 2 houses can be in the same sign and/or the

degree distance between two houses cusps can be as high as 58 deg (The example I

gave is for Sean Connery -James Bond). Kindly note -the data is AA rated from

Astrodatabank. Thanks

> MS

>

> , Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear mssumich,

> >  

> > The placidus system is valid for the latitude up to 66d30m only. As you have

mentioned that the birth place of the person is 55Deg north, the diurnal circle

will show more day time than night and vice versa depending upon the sun

declination. However for this sort of latitude the distance (difference in

degree) between the two consecutive cusps may go high as mentioned by you. I

have not cast any charts for such high latitude may be our members who have

experienced with such latitude may answer for your query.

> >  

> > Is there any astrology is followed in Scotland. If so what is the house

division followed may be checked for you to proceed further.

> >  

> > You may need to test few more case to conclude that the use of placidus

house for higher latitude in KP system.

> >  

> > I am unable provide more details and it needs some study.

> >

> >  

> > GOOD LUCK!

> >  

> > D.Senthil

> >

> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, mssumich <mssumich@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > mssumich <mssumich@>

> > Re: Why Shri KN Rao's Double Transit doesn't make

sense

> >

> > Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 8:15 AM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Punit

> > Like many of the 100s of tools that Jyotish gives - don't believe in all the

techniques that one comes up with. From Paul Manley's website here is what he

says

> > " What you'll see in the following illustrations is how the sign(s) that gets

the double transit will shift, generally from year to year. In fact, there are

only two positions of Jupiter and Saturn that will not have the double transit

phenomenon †" when Jupiter is in the 8th or 12th house from Saturn. This means

that 10 out of the 12 possible positions, or more than 80% of the time, there

will be the double transit phenomenon happening in at least one sign, possibly

two. "

> >

> > I have see this double transit work sometimes and sometimes not. Obviuosly

we have to pay attention to sookshma transits (or finer transits) and just

double transit.

> >

> > I urge some expert to answer my question on the Placidus house system for a

chart that I put on the other day. One bhava covers 58 deg of zodiac, there are

3 planets in 8th house; This person is very succesful. I can explain every event

using vedic astreology and nakshatra analysis. The moment I put 3 planets in 8th

in this chart, I am lost.

> >

> > For latititude that are closer to 66 deg N or S - I believe the Placidus

system of houses give wierd house cusps(correct me if I am wrong). This actor

was born in Scotland where latitude in 55deg. My question is for people born in

such norhtern altitudes -what system works? Is it still Placidus wasy of

calculating houses or something else. There should a clear answer from KP

experts. I am hoping there is that person in this list.

> > thanks

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > KP made timing an event much more easier. Though as a KP astrologer, I

> > > always feel that it will be nice to have another complementary method by

> > > which we can cross-check and confirm. In search of another such method for

> > > timing events, I looked into many methods and Shri KN Rao's double transit

> > > is among them.

> > >

> > > I personally feel that it is merely a tool for post-mortem and not useful

> > > for future predictions. Let us take an example of Marriage. Double-transit

> > > suggests that transiting Jupiter and Saturn will always be aspecting Natal

> > > 7th and 7th lord at the time of marriage.

> > >

> > > Now Jupiter has three aspects - 5,7, and 9. So including its own position,

> > > it will be influencing four houses in any chart. Which means that at any

> > > point of time the possibility of aspecting 7th is 33.33% and 7th lord is

> > > also 33.33%. If we take Jupiter's influence on either 7th OR 7th lord,

> > > possibility will double from 4/12 to 8/12 or 66.66%. So at any time, we

have

> > > 66.66% possibility of Jupiter aspecting either 7th or 7th lord. In other

> > > words, around 66% of time in one's life, we will see that Jupiter is

> > > influencing either 7th or 7th. Of course, this calculation doesn't

consider

> > > some of the possibility e.g. 7th lord is in 7th house itself. Anyways, I

> > > have seen Shri KN Rao is also checking Moon for transit other than

> > > Ascendant. Which doubles the possibility and if somehow Jupiter is not

> > > aspecting 7th and 7th lord counting from Lagna, it will aspect 7th or 7th

> > > lord from Moon. So in any point of one's life, if take transit from Moon

as

> > > well as Ascendant, it is almost certain that Jupiter will influencing

either

> > > 7th from ascendant, or 7th lord from ascendant, or 7th from Moon, or 7th

> > > lord from Moon.

> > >

> > > Similarly, Saturn also has 3 aspects and the above write-up is true for

> > > Saturn as well. In other words, seeing the above possibility, I feel that

> > > Double-Transit doesn't make sense at all.

> > >

> > > To sound this method sensible and experimental purpose, I checked reducing

> > > the possibility by checking transit only from Ascendant. If I do that way,

I

> > > have many cases where it fails.

> > >

> > > In other words, I do not find Double-transit theory useful at all.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:06 PM, aashish rai <raiaashish@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sundar,

> > > >

> > > > In classical astrology there are so many dashas, if vimshottari was only

> > > > required than why did Parashara muni talked about so many dashas. Other

> > > > dashas like Yogini are showing it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Let's forget about DBAs for time being as per double transit theory of

Shri

> > > > Kn rao marriage chances are high when transit Saturn and Jupiter aspect

> > > > natal 1/7 axis or their natal lords. In rare cases 9th lord will be

> > > > involved.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Natal chart,

> > > >

> > > > Jupier is aspecting natal 7th lord, lagna lord and Lagna

> > > >

> > > > Saturn is sitting in Lagna itself, aspecting 7th house

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Won't be surprised if there is a child birth/pregency before end august

> > > > 2010 !!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Aashish

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > ** Sundar <sundar190561@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > > *Sent:* Wed, 4 November, 2009 10:31:33 AM

> > > > *Subject:* Re: Post mortem analysis of marriage

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Aashish

> > > >

> > > > I know you would say, venus is the UL lord, hence the marriage in venus

> > > > PAD. But did you see venus was debilitated on the day of marriage?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks...... ....Sundar

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

aashish

> > > > rai <raiaashish@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sundarji,

> > > > > I have just started learning KP and yet to pick up the basics. but if

you

> > > > use traditional astrology it's very clear. As this forum is for KP only

I am

> > > > not elaborating.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Aashish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Sundar <sundar190561@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>

> > > >

> > > > > Sun, 1 November, 2009 10:59:22 PM

> > > > > Post mortem analysis of marriage

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned members

> > > > >

> > > > > My neighbour go married on 21st Oct, 2009 between 9 to 10am. The

transit

> > > > of DBAS does not fully signify the event fully.

> > > > >

> > > > > dob: 25th Aug, 1979

> > > > > tob: 9.37 (rectified)

> > > > > pob: Mumbai

> > > > >

> > > > > Time of birth reported is 9.22am

> > > > > Ayanamsha : 23.28.58

> > > > >

> > > > > dasha/bukti/ antra

> > > > >

> > > > > planet sgl stl sl

> > > > > (MD)rahu(11) sun(11,12) venus(11,2-9) venus(11,2-9)

> > > > > (AD)ketu(5) sat(12,5-6) rahu(11) venus(11,2-9)

> > > > > (PAD)venus(11, 2-9) sun(11,12) ketu(5) jupiter(11,4- 7)

> > > > >

> > > > > rahu=sun(11, 12)

> > > > > ketu=saturn( 12,5-6)

> > > > >

> > > > > Marriage on 21st October 2009 between 9 am to 10 am

> > > > >

> > > > > planet sgl stl sl

> > > > > (MD)rahu(4) sat(12,5-6) sun(1,12) jupiter(5,4- 7)

> > > > > (AD)ketu(10) moon(2,11) jupiter(5,4- 7) rahu-MD(4)

> > > > > (PAD)venus(12, 2-9) mer(1,1-10) moon(2,11) rahu-MD(4)

> > > > >

> > > > > sun venus(12,2-9) mars(10,3-8) venus(12,2-9)

> > > > > moon mars(10,3-8) sat(12,5-6) venus(12,2-9)

> > > > >

> > > > > Baed on the above it is seen that MD/AD/PAD does not fully signify

DBAS

> > > > (except for ketu, which is rahu's sub.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the light of the above how do we reconcile the timing of marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks...... ...Sundar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how.

http://in.overview.

> > > > mail.. com/connectmore<http://in.overview. mail..

com/connectmore>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn

more<http://in.rd. / tagline_galaxy_ 3/*http:/ /in.overview.

mail.. com/>

> > > > .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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