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Dear Members,

Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P. research scholars",

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping houses I,II,IV,VII,VIII & XII alone causes Mars Dosha...

I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for "remedies"... !

Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

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Namaste Lajmiji, If Mars is placed In 4th house from Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No So called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had not mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious response.

ThanksYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Cc: Punit Pandey <punitpFri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

Dear Members,

Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P. research scholars",

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII alone causes Mars Dosha...

I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for "remedies".. . !

Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

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Dear Lajmiji,I have Mars and Rahu in 8th house, which would qualify for a severe Kuja dosha. Additionally Mars is in Sun's Nakshatra. But have not felt any marital problems in my 8 years of marriage. (8:15 am, 10 May 71, Srinagar, Kashmir).RegardsSidharth--- On Fri, 4/12/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitpFriday, 4 December, 2009, 14:35

 

 

Dear Members,

Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P. research scholars",

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII alone causes Mars Dosha...

I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for "remedies".. . !

Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

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Dear Shri Bansalj,

 

Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars

in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or Venus gets cancelled when Mars is

aspected by Saturn.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pankaj bansal

04 December 2009 22:50

 

Re: MARS

DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Lajmiji,

 

If Mars is placed In 4th house from Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA

Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No So called Mars dosha and the Native Can

Marriage anybody who had or had not mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly

waiting for your precious response.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi

<yogeshlajmi >

 

Cc: Punit Pandey <punitp >

Fri, 4 December, 2009

8:05:18 PM

MARS

DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

 

Not

withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P. research

scholars " ,

 

 

and whose research has been qestioned already in these

columns by many KP followers,

 

 

and also,my own experience about Mars

Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for

marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation

in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and

occuping houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII alone causes

Mars Dosha...

 

 

I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I

must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly

believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute

almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking

for " remedies " .. . !

 

 

Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience

in the practise of the K.P. System...

 

 

This

is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the

minds of people,at large...

 

 

Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

 

 

With kind regards,

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Friends,

 

Here is what is found in third reader -

 

http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Bansalj,

 

Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pankaj bansal

04 December 2009 22:50 Subject: Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Lajmiji,                                If Mars is placed In 4th house from Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No So called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had not mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious response.

                                                       Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Cc: Punit Pandey <punitp

 

Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

 

                      Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P. research scholars " ,

 

 

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

 

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII alone causes Mars Dosha...

 

 

                      I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for " remedies " .. .  !

 

 

                      Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

 

 

                      This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

 

 

                      Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

 

                      With kind regards,

 

                      Yogesh Lajmi.

 

                     

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sidhrth ji,Mars is not a murder or family breaker by placing so called places. But to decide this you should match yt chart with yr wife's chart.Mars Dosha refers only for a couple, but not for a single.Regards, KalyanSidharth <s_dembi Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 10:53:36

AMRe: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

Dear Lajmiji,I have Mars and Rahu in 8th house, which would qualify for a severe Kuja dosha. Additionally Mars is in Sun's Nakshatra. But have not felt any marital problems in my 8 years of marriage. (8:15 am, 10 May 71, Srinagar, Kashmir).RegardsSidharth--- On Fri, 4/12/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...@gro ups.comCc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Friday, 4 December, 2009, 14:35

 

 

Dear Members,

Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P. research scholars",

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII alone causes Mars Dosha...

I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for "remedies".. . !

Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

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Dear Sidharth,

When did/does Mars Dasa operate ? and particularly,Mars Dasa,Sun Bhukti...?

And,also, has your Birth Chart been correctly cast as per K.P.,Rules, where the Ascendant's sub-lord and sub-sublord appear as the Moon's Star lord and sublord respectively ?

Kindly inform...

Yogesh Lajmi.--- On Sat, 5/12/09, Sidharth <s_dembi wrote:

Sidharth <s_dembiRe: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Received: Saturday, 5 December, 2009, 5:23 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Lajmiji,I have Mars and Rahu in 8th house, which would qualify for a severe Kuja dosha. Additionally Mars is in Sun's Nakshatra. But have not felt any marital problems in my 8 years of marriage. (8:15 am, 10 May 71, Srinagar, Kashmir).RegardsSidharth--- On Fri, 4/12/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...@gro ups.comCc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Friday, 4 December, 2009, 14:35

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P. research scholars",

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII alone causes Mars Dosha...

I invite the opinion of all members...on this very controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for "remedies".. . !

Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

Am looking forward to comments from discerning members...

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

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Dear Mr.Bansal,

Cancellation of Mars Dosha is a different matter altogether,I have only set out the rules for Mars Dosha...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !--- On Fri, 4/12/09, pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19 wrote:

pankaj bansal <pankaj_bansal19Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Received: Friday, 4 December, 2009, 5:19 PM

 

 

Namaste Lajmiji, If Mars is placed In 4th house from Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No So called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had not mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious response. Thanks

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P. research scholars",

and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP followers,

and also,my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in K.P. books that Mars posited

 

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Dear Friends,

What has been found is in the File section under:

MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

Regards,

TW

 

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Here is what is found in third reader -

>

> http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri Bansalj,

> >

> >

> >

> > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.

> >

> >

> >

> > Truly yours,

> >

> >

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > ** *On

> > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal

> > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> >

> > *To:*

> > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste Lajmiji,

> >

> > If Mars is placed In 4th house from

> > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No So

> > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had not

> > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious response.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > ** Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi

> >

> > *To:*

> > *Cc:* Punit Pandey <punitp

> > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

> > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > research scholars " ,

> >

> > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP

> > followers,

> >

> > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

> > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital

> > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in

> > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping

> > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*

> >

> > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very

> > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who

> > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so

> > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence

> > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> >

> > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> >

> > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

> >

> > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > members...

> >

> > With kind regards,

> >

> > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >

> > * *

> >

> >

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Dear Tw ji,

 

I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points and I would like to mention the same -

 

1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the husband and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.

 

2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.

 

Here is the conclusion from your article -

" It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching, separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc. without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K. Hariharan. "

 

Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP. In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is discussed by Shri KSK).

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,What has been found is in the File section under:MARS DOSHA IN KP.docRegards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > Here is what is found in third reader -

> > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

 

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Shri Bansalj,> >> >> >> > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> >> >> >> > Truly yours,> >> >> >> > K.S.V.Ramani> >> >

> > ------------------------------> >> > ** *On

> > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> >> > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> >> >> >> >> >> > Namaste Lajmiji,> >> > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No So

> > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had not> > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious response.> >> > Thanks> >> >

> > ------------------------------> >> > ** Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi> >> > *To:*

> > *Cc:* Punit Pandey <punitp> > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...> >> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > research scholars " ,> >> > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP> > followers,> >> > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

> > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in> > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping

> > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> >> > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients who

> > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so> > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence> > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> >> > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> >> > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> >> > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > members...> >> > With kind regards,> >

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Dear Punit,

K.P. does provide a very comprehensive Horoscope Matching method,canned the Dasavidha Porutham...a very nice SW was prepared by the late Mr. A.R.Raichur,which,fortunately I possess and preserve...however It cannot be e-mailed it has the necessary "locks"...for prevention...The SW was especialy designed as per the requirements of Mr.K.Kuppu Ganapathy a famous K.P. Astrologer from Delhi...

Traditional Astrology programmes follow either Ashtavidhas,Eight points of reference for matching,or Nine points for matching purposes...whereas K.P. follows Ten points of reference...

The SW also gives ot's own recommedation...It also considers Mars Dosha..I can send you the one-page Result as Print-out that it gives...a a sample...

As far as your earlier mail commenting on my "thinking that K.P. is the only best ststem of predicting.." etc., I stand by my opinion that so far,in my over 40 years of practising astrology,remember,I began with the Traditional style(B.V.Raman's style),of astrology...but gave up astrology after I got disappointed with Traditional Astrology,tried the Jaimini system,and discarded it...and began dismissing Astrology as a seudo-science...but it was a great stroke of Good Fortune that I met Mr K.S Krishnamurthi at Bhopal(when I was posted there,in 70's,and after attending his 3-day lecture-demonstration...I immediately recognised what I had missed..and I immediately became his disciple...and I remain one even now... !

It is not for nothing that I discard Lal Kitab,I have read Mr.Prabhakar's book(he is a co-author)

and studied Lal Kitab and experimented with it...and have formed my opinion about it...Pl. remember,I do not have to cater to all types of clients,unlike a person who has tri run a site...that is the major difference between us both...

"Feeding crows,or giving sugar to ants and the like are some of the remedies I have (foolishly though) tried...and now I still laugh at my own gulibility...! !

Placebos ALL...! ! !

Pl. feel free to discuss Lal Kitab,Traditonal Astrology or K.P., with me...any time...I shall not disappoint you...please rest assured...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Sun, 6 December, 2009 5:04:52 PMRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points and I would like to mention the same -

 

1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.

 

2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.

 

Here is the conclusion from your article -

"It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching, separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc. without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K. Hariharan."

 

Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP. In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is discussed by Shri KSK).

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Friends,What has been found is in the File section under:MARS DOSHA IN KP.docRegards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > Here is what is found in third reader -> > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ ...> wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Shri Bansalj,> >> >> >> > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or> > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> >> >> >> > Truly yours,> >> >> >> > K.S.V.Ramani> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> >> > ** @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] *On> > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > *Sent:* 04

December 2009 22:50> >> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...> >> >> >> >> >> > Namaste Lajmiji,> >> > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No So> > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had not> > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious response.> >> > Thanks> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> >> > ** Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>> >> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Cc:* Punit Pandey <punitp> > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...> >> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > research scholars",> >> > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many KP> > followers,> >> > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after> > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation in> > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping> > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> >> > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of

my clients who> > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars Dosha...so> > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the existence> > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> >> > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> >> > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> >> > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > members...> >> > With kind regards,> >> > Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > * *> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> >> > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to 7. Enter now<http://us.lrd. / _ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x 2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM 2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1 lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5 rBHRtX2xuawNVMTE wMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQ DWWFob28hBHRtX3B vcwN0YWdsaW5lBHR tX3BwdHkDYXVueg- -/SIG=14600t3ni/ **http%3A/ au.rd.. com/mail/ tagline/sony/ *http%3A/ au.docs.. com/homepageset/ %3Fp1=other% 26p2=au%26p3= mailtagline>> > .> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> >> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_ 1/*http:/ in.. com/>> > .> >> > > >>

 

 

 

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1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion.4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12. 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (> http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -> "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan."> > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > <%40>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > >> > > > ** <%40>[> > <%40>] *On> > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > >> > > > *To:* <%40>> > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > >> > > > *To:* <%40>> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > research scholars",> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after> > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation> > in> > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> > > >> > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients> > who> > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > Dosha...so> > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > existence> > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > >> > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > >> > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > >> > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > > > members...> > > >> > > > With kind regards,> > > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > >> > > > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to 7. Enter now<> > http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A/au.rd./mail/tagline/sony/*http%3A/au.docs./homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline> > >> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./>> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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Dear Tw ji,

 

1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to Mars alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not the reason " alone. "

3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned about it.

4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant while judging Mars dosha.

5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself.

 

My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't exist which is actually not convered in the study.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......

The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion.

4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match.   

5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12. 

7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

Thanks and regards, TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

 

 

> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (

> http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a

> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying

> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars

> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering

> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and

> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan. " > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is

> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > <%40>, Punit > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > >> > > > ** <%40>[

> > <%40>] *On > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > >> > > > *To:* <%40> > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there is No

> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.

> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > >> > > > *To:* <%40>

 

> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.> > > > research scholars " ,

> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

> > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation> > in> > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping

> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> > > >> > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients

> > who> > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > Dosha...so> > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > existence

> > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !> > > >> > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> > > >> > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > >> > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > members...> > > >> > > > With kind regards,> > > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >

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Dear Punit ji,

 

Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for

seeing to be believing.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or

> 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to Mars

> alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only "

> reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is

> the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers

> for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not the

> reason " alone. "

> 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined

> or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on

> indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility

> matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's

> horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned

> about it.

> 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were

> considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that

> Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant

> while judging Mars dosha.

> 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK

> has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself.

>

> My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the

> study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no

> value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in

> marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell

> anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about

> it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and

> groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and

> Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and

> Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an

> incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is

> clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't

> exist which is actually not convered in the study.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life

> > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).

> > 2. Page 52, second and third paras

> > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position of

> > Mars alone? .......

> > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil

> > results of Mars.....

> > 3. Page 55, third para

> > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my

> > opinion.

> > 4. Page 69 fourth para

> > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on

> > the correct match.

> > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the

> > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.

> > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV,

> > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among

> > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such

> > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position,

> > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the

> > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the

> > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

> > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed

> > to be predestined.

> > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a

> > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say

> > experience or opinion.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > TW

> >

> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important

> > points

> > > and I would like to mention the same -

> > >

> > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri

> > KSK (

> > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the

> > husband

> > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a

> > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars

> > dosha

> > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider

> > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying

> > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study

> > needs

> > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person

> > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars

> > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we

> > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.

> > >

> > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be

> > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is

> > considering

> > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the

> > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.

> > >

> > > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,

> > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.

> > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule

> > and

> > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.

> > > Hariharan. "

> > >

> > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide

> > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't

> > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > dependent

> > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in

> > KP.

> > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which

> > is

> > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which

> > is

> > > discussed by Shri KSK).

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > What has been found is in the File section under:

> > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > > > Regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit

> >

> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -

> > > > >

> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon

> > or

> > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truly yours,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ** <%40

> > >[

> > > > <%40>] *On

> >

> > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal

> > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *To:* <%40>

> >

> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > years...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from

> > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there

> > is No

> > > > So

> > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or

> > had

> > > > not

> > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious

> > > > response.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *To:* <%40>

> >

> > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

> > > >

> > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > years...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > research scholars " ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by

> > many

> > > > KP

> > > > > > followers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and

> > after

> > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital

> > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the

> > observation

> > > > in

> > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and

> > occuping

> > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very

> > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my

> > clients

> > > > who

> > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars

> > > > Dosha...so

> > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the

> > > > existence

> > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > members...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With kind regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * *

> > > > > >

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Punitji pranam,Pardon for interfering ....the qoute in reader 4 is "To cause difference of opinion,

disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left

to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided

they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of

the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is

deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator

of 6 or 10 or 12".Guruji , also stressed that "any planet can cause "such" undesirable effect , So he is telling that we need not give preference to "Mars" alone , any planet can cause such results. Again in the next para" If the sub lord is mars or if it is in the constellation of mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. thus we have to predict." here also he said "separation" will be caused by mars only when he is sublord or sub tenanted star lord and significator for 6,10,12. but not with mere placement of mars in various signs from asc, moon, venus. [in P.no. 194 under the head "Divorce""there is no mars dosha in this chart because it is in a movable sign , it is debilitated ;

conjoined with mercury . Yet look at the fate . thus taking the position of mars and offering predictions which appear more like a curse is not correct . but take the planets situated in the star or sub of mars in 1,2,4,8,12 ,. then , that planet tenanted in such a mars star will offer undesirable and disagreeable results.] point no. 3 "Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching"i think you are pointing the para above the para given by me, it reads as follows: "It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match": in the starting of this explanation on mars dosha P.no.55 KSK

mentioned that :"Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. " So i think that upto the above para (p.no. 69 ) is what Gurujis explanation about various rules and the later paragraphs are his "final" opinion.(which are last paras of the topic) .point no.4 guruji explained what vedic astrological rules for "Mars Dosha " are . but not instructed us to follow the same. These are my opinions .......Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Sun, 6/12/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:Punit Pandey <punitpRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 9:40 PM

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be left to Mars alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the "only" reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the reason "alone."

3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned about it.

4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant while judging Mars dosha.

5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself.

 

My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't exist which is actually not convered in the study.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......

The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion.

4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match.

5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

Thanks and regards, TW@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

 

 

> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (

> http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a

> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying

> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars

> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering

> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and

> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan."> > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is

> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** @gro ups.com <%40. com>[

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>] *On > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40. com> > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No

> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.

> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40. com>

 

> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > research scholars",

> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

> > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation> > in> > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping

> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> > > >> > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients

> > who> > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > Dosha...so> > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > existence

> > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > >> > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> > > >> > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > >> > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > members...> > > >> > > > With kind regards,> > > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >

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Dear Pavan ji,

 

It seem you are also mixing up two things. The Mars dosha section talks about two points -

1. Mars dosha for marriage matching

2. Mars dosha for predicting " difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute "

 

The section that has been appended later on in 1971 edition (starting from - To cause different of opinion ....) is for using Mars dosha for predicting difference of opinion, disagreement, disputes etc. Shri KSK himself clearly mentioned that any planet can do that. The study also proved the same point which Shri KSK has said. If you read my earlier email, I appreciated study for proving this point.

 

Though my point is that study didn't touch Mars dosha in marriage matching. Shri KSK said -

" It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and  consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. "

 

It is clearly Shri KSK's opinion for using Mars dosha in " marriage matching " and not predicting on individual's horoscope. Point 1 (Mars dosha in marriage matching) was suggested by Shri KSK but not touched by study. My reason for writing the email was that people should not confuse that the study rejected both - mars dosha in prediction and mars dosha in marriage matching. The truth is that the study touched only mars dosha in prediction on individual's chart.

 

Generally Shri KSK was very truthful and blunt in calling a spade a spade. If he found that something is not working, he bluntly said that. Though when he says something to " weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha " , we should listen him till the time some study proves otherwise. We will have to wait for a study that checks bride and groom's chart simultaneously and conclude something. I hope now you got my point.

 

I do not have 1966 edition with me. Tw ji said that upto " It is, therefore, ... " is reprint of earlier edition of 1966. Which means " It is, therefore, ... " was the actual conclusion by Shri KSK and I do not think that there should be any doubt on it. He starts with that I'll tell you my opinion and finally he offers this opinion to " weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha " .

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Punitji pranam,Pardon for interfering ....the qoute in reader 4 is

" To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left

to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided

they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord ofthe planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is

deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significatorof 6 or 10 or 12 " .Guruji , also stressed that " any planet can cause " such " undesirable effect , So he is telling

that we need not give preference to " Mars " alone , any planet can cause such results.   Again in the next  para " If the sub lord is mars or if it is in the constellation of mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. thus we have to predict. "

here also he said " separation " will be caused by mars  only when he is sublord or sub tenanted star lord and significator for 6,10,12.  but not with mere placement of mars in various signs from asc, moon, venus.

 [in P.no. 194 under the head " Divorce " " there is no mars dosha in this chart because it is in a movable sign , it is debilitated ; conjoined with mercury . Yet look at the fate . thus taking the position of mars and offering predictions which appear more like a curse is not correct . but take the planets situated in the  star or sub of mars in 1,2,4,8,12 ,. then , that planet tenanted in such a mars star will offer undesirable and disagreeable results.]   

point no. 3    " Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching " i think you are pointing the para above the para given by me, it reads as follows:

" It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match " :

in the starting of this explanation on mars dosha P.no.55  KSK mentioned that  : " Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. "

So i think that upto the above para (p.no. 69 ) is what Gurujis explanation about various rules and the later paragraphs are his " final " opinion.(which are last paras of the topic) .

point no.4 guruji explained what vedic astrological rules for " Mars Dosha " are . but not instructed us to follow the same. These are my opinions .......

Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Date: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 9:40 PM

 

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to Mars alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the reason " alone. "

3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned about it.

4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant while judging Mars dosha.

5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself.

 

My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't exist which is actually not convered in the study.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......

The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion.

4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match.   

5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12. 

 

7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

 

 

 

 

 

> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (

> http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a

> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying

> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars

> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering

> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and

> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan. " > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is

> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit

> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** @gro ups.com <%40. com>[

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>] *On

> > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40. com>

> > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No

> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.

> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com <%40. com>

 

 

 

 

> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.> > > > research scholars " ,

> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

> > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the observation> > in> > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and occuping

> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> > > >> > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my clients

> > who> > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > Dosha...so> > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > existence

> > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !> > > >> > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> > > >> > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > >> > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > members...> > > >> > > > With kind regards,> > > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >

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Dear Tw ji,

 

In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared my understanding with the forum.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for seeing to be believing.

Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,

>

 

 

> 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or> 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.> 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to Mars

> alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is> the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers

> for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not the> reason " alone. " > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined> or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on

> indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility> matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned

> about it.> 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were> considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that> Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant

> while judging Mars dosha.> 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK> has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself.> > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the

> study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no> value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in> marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell

> anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about> it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and> groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and

> Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and> Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an> incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is

> clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't> exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey>

>

 

 

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life

> > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position of> > Mars alone? .......

> > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil> > results of Mars.....> > 3. Page 55, third para> > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my

> > opinion.> > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on

> > the correct match.> > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the> > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV,

> > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:> > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among> > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such

> > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position,> > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the> > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the

> > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed> > to be predestined.> > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a

> > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > experience or opinion.> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > TW> >> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important> > points> > > and I would like to mention the same -

> > >> > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri> > KSK (> > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the

> > husband> > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a> > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars> > dosha> > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider

> > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying> > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study> > needs> > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person

> > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars> > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.

> > >> > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > considering> > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the

> > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > >> > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,

> > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule> > and> > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.

> > > Hariharan. " > > >> > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is> > dependent> > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in> > KP.> > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which> > is> > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which

> > is> > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > Regards,

> > > > TW> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -

> > > > >> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon

> > or> > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Truly yours,

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > >> > > > > > ** <%40

> > >[> > > > <%40>] *On

> >> > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > >> > > > > > *To:* <%40>

> >> > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > years...> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > >> > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then there

> > is No> > > > So> > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or> > had> > > > not> > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious

> > > > response.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > >> > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > >> > > > > > *To:* <%40>

> >> > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > >> > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > years...> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > research scholars " ,> > > > > >> > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by> > many> > > > KP

> > > > > > followers,> > > > > >> > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and> > after> > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital

> > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the> > observation> > > > in> > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and

> > occuping> > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars Dosha**...*> > > > > >> > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very

> > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my> > clients> > > > who> > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars

> > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to the> > > > existence> > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> > > > > >> > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > >> > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > members...> > > > > >> > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >

> > > > > > * *> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > >> > > > > > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to 7. Enter

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Dear Punit ji,

Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the whole

KP literature?

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was

> just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for

> marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was

> to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared

> my understanding with the forum.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for

> > seeing to be believing.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more

> > authentic or

> > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to

> > Mars

> > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only "

> > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that

> > is

> > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in

> > readers

> > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not the

> > > reason " alone. "

> > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is

> > pre-destined

> > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on

> > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility

> > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's

> > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned

> > > about it.

> > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were

> > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember

> > that

> > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with

> > Ascendant

> > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri

> > KSK

> > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said

> > himself.

> > >

> > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the

> > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or

> > no

> > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc.

> > in

> > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell

> > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about

> > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride

> > and

> > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology

> > (and

> > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon

> > and

> > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just

> > an

> > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is

> > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making

> > doesn't

> > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married

> > Life

> > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).

> > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras

> > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position

> > of

> > > > Mars alone? .......

> > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the

> > evil

> > > > results of Mars.....

> > > > 3. Page 55, third para

> > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my

> > > > opinion.

> > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para

> > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and

> > advise on

> > > > the correct match.

> > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the

> > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.

> > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader

> > IV,

> > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc.

> > among

> > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such

> > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a

> > position,

> > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or

> > the

> > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the

> > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

> > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is

> > supposed

> > > > to be predestined.

> > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a

> > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say

> > > > experience or opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important

> > > > points

> > > > > and I would like to mention the same -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by

> > Shri

> > > > KSK (

> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the

> > > > husband

> > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if

> > a

> > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars

> > > > dosha

> > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider

> > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is

> > studying

> > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study

> > > > needs

> > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person

> > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to

> > Mars

> > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come

> > we

> > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should

> > be

> > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is

> > > > considering

> > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow

> > the

> > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called

> > correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,

> > matching,

> > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life

> > etc.

> > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching

> > rule

> > > > and

> > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri

> > K.

> > > > > Hariharan. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT

> > provide

> > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and

> > not

> > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but

> > doesn't

> > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > > > dependent

> > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place

> > in

> > > > KP.

> > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool

> > (which

> > > > is

> > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool

> > (which

> > > > is

> > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:

> > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > Punit

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or

> > Moon

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Truly yours,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > **

<%40><%

> > 40

> > > > >[

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>] *On

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *To:*

<%40><%

> > 40>

> > > >

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > > > years...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from

> > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then

> > there

> > > > is No

> > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had

> > or

> > > > had

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your

> > precious

> > > > > > response.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *To:*

<%40><%

> > 40>

> > > >

> > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > years...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > > > research scholars " ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns

> > by

> > > > many

> > > > > > KP

> > > > > > > > followers,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the

> > years,and

> > > > after

> > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital

> > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the

> > > > observation

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and

> > > > occuping

> > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars

> > Dosha**...*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very

> > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my

> > > > clients

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars

> > > > > > Dosha...so

> > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to

> > the

> > > > > > existence

> > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > > > members...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With kind regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Tw ji,

 

No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for " Horoscope Matching " . KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can not discard that we have not verified yet.

 

By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -

" It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and  consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. "

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the whole KP literature? Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,

>

> In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was> just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for> marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was

> to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared> my understanding with the forum.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for

> > seeing to be believing.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >

 

 

> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > authentic or> > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to> > Mars> > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that

> > is> > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in> > readers> > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not the> > > reason " alone. "

> > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > pre-destined> > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on> > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility

> > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned> > > about it.> > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were

> > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember> > that> > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > Ascendant> > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri> > KSK> > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > himself.> > >

> > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the> > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or> > no> > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc.

> > in> > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell> > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about> > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride

> > and> > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology> > (and> > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon> > and

> > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just> > an> > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is> > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making

> > doesn't> > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >

> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married

> > Life> > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position

> > of> > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the> > evil> > > > results of Mars.....> > > > 3. Page 55, third para

> > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my> > > > opinion.> > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and> > advise on> > > > the correct match.> > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the

> > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader> > IV,> > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc.> > among> > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such> > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a

> > position,> > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or> > the> > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the

> > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is> > supposed> > > > to be predestined.> > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a

> > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > > > experience or opinion.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >

> > > > TW> > > >

 

 

> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important

> > > > points> > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > >> > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > Shri

> > > > KSK (> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the> > > > husband

> > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if> > a> > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars> > > > dosha

> > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > studying> > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study

> > > > needs> > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to

> > Mars> > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come> > we> > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should> > be> > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > > > considering

> > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow> > the> > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > correct.

> > > > >> > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > matching,> > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life

> > etc.> > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching> > rule> > > > and> > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri

> > K.> > > > > Hariharan. " > > > > >> > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > provide> > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and

> > not> > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > doesn't> > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > > > dependent> > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place

> > in> > > > KP.> > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool

> > (which> > > > is> > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or

> > Moon> > > > or> > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** <%40><%

> > 40> > > > >[> > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>] *On> > > >> > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* <%40><% > > 40>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then

> > there> > > > is No> > > > > > So> > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had> > or> > > > had

> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > precious> > > > > > response.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* <%40><%

 

> > 40>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > > > research scholars " ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns> > by

> > > > many> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the

> > years,and> > > > after> > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the

> > > > observation> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and> > > > occuping> > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars

> > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my

> > > > clients> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to

> > the> > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > > > members...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

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Dear Friends,

 

One important point I want to make to ensure that the right message is going to the forum. All my emails in this topic were just limited to the study and scope of the study. I DO NOT recommend using Mars dosha for any purpose.

 

Mars dosha, as we know it traditionally, is confusing and unsystematic.  Contrary to KP style, it is very vaguely defined. It doesn't gel well with KP and there is absolutely no reason we should use it in KP.

 

Although I am not aware of any systematic study on KPDP and certain other horoscope matching methods available in KP, I would recommend them because " at least " those go well with KP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for " Horoscope Matching " . KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can not discard that we have not verified yet.

 

By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -

 

" It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and  consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. "

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the whole KP literature? Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

 

> In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was> just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for> marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was

> to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared> my understanding with the forum.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for

> > seeing to be believing.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > <%40>, Punit> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

 

 

> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > authentic or> > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to> > Mars> > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that

> > is> > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in> > readers> > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not the> > > reason " alone. "

> > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > pre-destined> > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on> > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility

> > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned> > > about it.> > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were

> > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember> > that> > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > Ascendant> > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri> > KSK> > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > himself.> > >

> > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the> > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or> > no> > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc.

> > in> > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell> > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about> > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride

> > and> > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology> > (and> > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon> > and

> > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just> > an> > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is> > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making

> > doesn't> > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >

> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married

> > Life> > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position

> > of> > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the> > evil> > > > results of Mars.....> > > > 3. Page 55, third para

> > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my> > > > opinion.> > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and> > advise on> > > > the correct match.> > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the

> > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader> > IV,> > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc.> > among> > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such> > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a

> > position,> > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or> > the> > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the

> > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is> > supposed> > > > to be predestined.> > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a

> > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > > > experience or opinion.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >

> > > > TW> > > >

 

 

> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important

> > > > points> > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > >> > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > Shri

> > > > KSK (> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when the> > > > husband

> > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if> > a> > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars> > > > dosha

> > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > studying> > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study

> > > > needs> > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to

> > Mars> > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come> > we> > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should> > be> > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > > > considering

> > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow> > the> > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > correct.

> > > > >> > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > matching,> > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life

> > etc.> > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching> > rule> > > > and> > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri

> > K.> > > > > Hariharan. " > > > > >> > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > provide> > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and

> > not> > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > doesn't> > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > > > dependent> > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place

> > in> > > > KP.> > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool

> > (which> > > > is> > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or

> > Moon> > > > or> > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** <%40><%

> > 40> > > > >[> > > > > > <%40><% > > 40>] *On> > > >> > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* <%40><% > > 40>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then

> > there> > > > is No> > > > > > So> > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had> > or> > > > had

> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > precious> > > > > > response.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* <%40><%

 

> > 40>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > > > research scholars " ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns> > by

> > > > many> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the

> > years,and> > > > after> > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the

> > > > observation> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and> > > > occuping> > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars

> > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my

> > > > clients> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to

> > the> > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > > > members...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

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Dear Punit,

It is sad to note that without having used the KPDP SW,you are indirectly decrying the KP DP method and Software...I wonder if you have the SW for KPDP at all...if you do not possess it pl. send me a few cases for matching that you have done with your SW,and let us compare the results...

Only if you use the SW,will you be able to understand the depth to which the analysis reaches...

I am taking you on...Punit... KPDP gives far superior results...!

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 12:19:17 PMRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

Dear Friends,

 

One important point I want to make to ensure that the right message is going to the forum. All my emails in this topic were just limited to the study and scope of the study. I DO NOT recommend using Mars dosha for any purpose.

 

Mars dosha, as we know it traditionally, is confusing and unsystematic. Contrary to KP style, it is very vaguely defined. It doesn't gel well with KP and there is absolutely no reason we should use it in KP.

 

Although I am not aware of any systematic study on KPDP and certain other horoscope matching methods available in KP, I would recommend them because "at least" those go well with KP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for "Horoscope Matching". KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can not discard that we have not verified yet.

 

By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -

 

"It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match."

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the whole KP literature? Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

> In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was> just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover "Mars dosha for> marriage matching" - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was> to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared> my understanding with the forum.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for> > seeing to be believing.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >

 

 

> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > authentic or> > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.> > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be left to> > Mars> > > alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the "only"> > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that> > is> > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in> > readers> > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the> > > reason "alone."> > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > pre-destined> > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha

on> > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility> > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned> > > about it.> > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were> > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember> > that> > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > Ascendant> > > while judging Mars dosha.> > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri> > KSK> > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > himself.> > >> > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle

the> > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or> > no> > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc.> > in> > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell> > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about> > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride> > and> > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology> > (and> > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon> > and> > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just> > an> > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is> > > clear, people may confuse

and think that Mars dosha is match making> > doesn't> > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married> > Life> > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > One may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position> > of> > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate

the> > evil> > > > results of Mars.....> > > > 3. Page 55, third para> > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my> > > > opinion.> > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and> > advise on> > > > the correct match.> > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the> > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader> > IV,> > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:> > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t,

dispute, divorce etc.> > among> > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such> > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a> > position,> > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or> > the> > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is> > supposed> > > > to be predestined.> > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a> > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > > > experience or opinion.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > >

>> > > > TW> > > >

 

 

> > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com>,> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important> > > > points> > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > >> > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > Shri> > > > KSK (> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs

only when the> > > > husband> > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if> > a> > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars> > > > dosha> > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > studying> > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study> > > > needs> > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to> > Mars> > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come> > we> > > > >

conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should> > be> > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > > > considering> > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow> > the> > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > correct.> > > > >> > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > matching,> > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life> > etc.> > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching> >

rule> > > > and> > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri> > K.> > > > > Hariharan."> > > > >> > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > provide> > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and> > not> > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > doesn't> > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is> > > > dependent> > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place> > in> > > > KP.> > > > > In my opinion,

the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com><% > > 40. com>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM,

Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or> > Moon> > > > or> > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** @gro ups.com<%40. com><%> > 40. com> > > > >[> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40.

com><% > > 40. com>] *On> > > >> > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com><% > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then> > there> > > > is No> > > > > > So> > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody

who had> > or> > > > had> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > precious> > > > > > response.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40.

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> > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some "K.P.> > > > > > > > research scholars",> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned

already in these columns> > by> > > > many> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the> > years,and> > > > after> > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the> > > > observation> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and> > > > occuping> > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars> > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my> > > > clients> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to> > the> > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > > > > > > > members...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to 7.> >

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> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd. / tagline_yyi_ 1/*http:/ in.. com/>> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >

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Dear Lajmi ji,

 

What you are saying that " KPDP gives far superior results " is your opinion and you are free to form your opinion.

 

I personally do NOT have any opinion either in favor or against of KPDP. I simply do not have any opinion on KPDP. I wonder what made you think that I am " indirectly decrying KPDP " ?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

                It is sad to note that without having used the KPDP  SW,you are indirectly decrying the KP DP method and Software...I wonder if you have the SW for KPDP at all...if you do not possess it pl. send me a few cases for matching that you have done with your SW,and let us compare the results...

                Only if you use the SW,will you be able to understand the depth to which the analysis reaches...

                I am taking you on...Punit... KPDP gives far superior results...!

 

                With kind regards,

                Yogesh Lajmi.

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

              

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 12:19:17 PM

Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

One important point I want to make to ensure that the right message is going to the forum. All my emails in this topic were just limited to the study and scope of the study. I DO NOT recommend using Mars dosha for any purpose.

 

Mars dosha, as we know it traditionally, is confusing and unsystematic.  Contrary to KP style, it is very vaguely defined. It doesn't gel well with KP and there is absolutely no reason we should use it in KP.

 

Although I am not aware of any systematic study on KPDP and certain other horoscope matching methods available in KP, I would recommend them because " at least " those go well with KP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for " Horoscope Matching " . KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can not discard that we have not verified yet.

 

By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -

 

" It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and  consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. "

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the whole KP literature?

Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

 

 

> In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was> just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for> marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was

> to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared> my understanding with the forum.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for

> > seeing to be believing.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >

 

 

 

 

 

> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > authentic or> > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to> > Mars> > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that

> > is> > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in> > readers> > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the> > > reason " alone. "

> > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > pre-destined> > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on> > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility

> > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned> > > about it.> > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were

> > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember> > that> > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > Ascendant> > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri> > KSK> > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > himself.> > >

> > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the> > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or> > no> > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc.

> > in> > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell> > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about> > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride

> > and> > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology> > (and> > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon> > and

> > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just> > an> > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is> > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making

> > doesn't> > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >

> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married

> > Life> > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position

> > of> > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the> > evil> > > > results of Mars.....> > > > 3. Page 55, third para

> > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my> > > > opinion.> > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and> > advise on> > > > the correct match.> > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the

> > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader> > IV,> > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. > > among> > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such> > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a> > position,

> > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or> > the> > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

> > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is> > supposed> > > > to be predestined.> > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a

> > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > > > experience or opinion.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >

> > > > TW> > > >

 

 

> > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com>,

 

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important

> > > > points> > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > >> > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > Shri

> > > > KSK (> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the> > > > husband

> > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if> > a> > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars> > > > dosha

> > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > studying> > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study

> > > > needs> > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to

> > Mars> > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come> > we> > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should> > be> > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > > > considering

> > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow> > the> > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > correct.

> > > > >> > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > matching,> > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life

> > etc.> > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching> > rule> > > > and> > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri

> > K.> > > > > Hariharan. " > > > > >> > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > provide> > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and

> > not> > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > doesn't> > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > > > dependent> > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place

> > in> > > > KP.> > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool

> > (which> > > > is> > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com><%

> > 40. com>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or> > Moon> > > > or

> > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** @gro ups.com<%40. com><%

> > 40. com> > > > >[> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com><%

> > 40. com>] *On> > > >> > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com><%

> > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then

> > there> > > > is No> > > > > > So> > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had> > or> > > > had

> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > precious> > > > > > response.> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com><%

 

 

 

 

> > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > years...

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.> > > > > > > > research scholars " ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns

> > by> > > > many> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the

> > years,and> > > > after> > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the

> > > > observation> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and> > > > occuping> > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars

> > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my

> > > > clients> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to

> > the> > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > > > members...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

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Dear Punit,

You have,I'm afraid missed the point,entirely...

I have sent you a sample 1-page printout of the resut with KPDP horoscope matching SW,

which very clearly analyses whether Mars Dosha exists fie either or both, the boy and the girl...

What I wanted to illustrate is that the KPDP horoscope matching SW, includes ALL facets of astrology for matching horoscopes...

I suggest you use it and then form an opinion...then,surely,you will discard all other Matching SWs, for matching purposes...

Now don't say only K.P.,appeals to me... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 1:32:45 PMRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

Dear Lajmi ji,

 

What you are saying that "KPDP gives far superior results" is your opinion and you are free to form your opinion.

 

I personally do NOT have any opinion either in favor or against of KPDP. I simply do not have any opinion on KPDP. I wonder what made you think that I am "indirectly decrying KPDP" ?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

It is sad to note that without having used the KPDP SW,you are indirectly decrying the KP DP method and Software...I wonder if you have the SW for KPDP at all...if you do not possess it pl. send me a few cases for matching that you have done with your SW,and let us compare the results...

Only if you use the SW,will you be able to understand the depth to which the analysis reaches...

I am taking you on...Punit.. . KPDP gives far superior results...!

 

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comMon, 7 December, 2009 12:19:17 PMRe: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

One important point I want to make to ensure that the right message is going to the forum. All my emails in this topic were just limited to the study and scope of the study. I DO NOT recommend using Mars dosha for any purpose.

 

Mars dosha, as we know it traditionally, is confusing and unsystematic. Contrary to KP style, it is very vaguely defined. It doesn't gel well with KP and there is absolutely no reason we should use it in KP.

 

Although I am not aware of any systematic study on KPDP and certain other horoscope matching methods available in KP, I would recommend them because "at least" those go well with KP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for "Horoscope Matching". KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can not discard that we have not verified yet.

 

By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -

 

"It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match."

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the whole KP literature?

Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

 

> In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I was> just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover "Mars dosha for> marriage matching" - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective was> to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have shared> my understanding with the forum.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> >> > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum for> > seeing to be believing.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > @gro ups.com <%40. com>, Punit> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >

 

 

 

 

 

> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > authentic or> > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.> > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be left to> > Mars> > > alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the "only"> > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that> > is> > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in> > readers> > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the> > > reason "alone."> > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is> > pre-destined> > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars

dosha on> > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility> > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned> > > about it.> > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were> > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember> > that> > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > Ascendant> > > while judging Mars dosha.> > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri> > KSK> > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said> > himself.> > >> > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle

the> > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or> > no> > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc.> > in> > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell> > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about> > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride> > and> > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology> > (and> > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon> > and> > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just> > an> > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is> > > clear, people may confuse

and think that Mars dosha is match making> > doesn't> > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married> > Life> > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > One may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position> > of> > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate

the> > evil> > > > results of Mars.....> > > > 3. Page 55, third para> > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my> > > > opinion.> > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and> > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and> > advise on> > > > the correct match.> > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the> > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.> > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader> > IV,> > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:> > > > To cause difference of

opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. > > among> > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such> > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a> > position,> > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or> > the> > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is> > supposed> > > > to be predestined.> > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a> > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say> > > > experience or opinion.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > >

>> > > > TW> > > >

 

 

> > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com>,

 

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important> > > > points> > > > > and I would like to mention the same -> > > > >> > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > Shri> > > > KSK (> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the> > > > husband> > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if> > a> > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars> > > >

dosha> > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is> > studying> > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study> > > > needs> > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to> > Mars> > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come> > we> > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should> > be> > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study

is> > > > considering> > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow> > the> > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > correct.> > > > >> > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -> > > > > "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > matching,> > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life> > etc.> > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching> > rule> > > > and> > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri> > K.> > > > > Hariharan."> > > > >> > > > > Here again it seems that we

are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > provide> > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and> > not> > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > doesn't> > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is> > > > dependent> > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place> > in> > > > KP.> > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool> > (which> > > > is> > > > >

discussed by Shri KSK).> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40. com><%

> > 40. com>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM,

Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or> > Moon> > > > or> > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** @gro ups.com<%40. com><%> > 40. com> > > > >[> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40.

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> > 40. com>] *On> > > >> > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com><%

> > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then> > there> > > > is No> > > > > > So> > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody

who had> > or> > > > had> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your> > precious> > > > > > response.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com<%40. com><%

 

 

 

 

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qestioned already in these columns> > by> > > > many> > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the> > years,and> > > > after> > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital> > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the> > > > observation> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and> > > > occuping> > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars> > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of my> > > > clients> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of Mars> > > > > > Dosha...so> > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem to> > the> > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for *"remedies".. .* !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P. System...> > > > > > > >> > > > >

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Dear Punit ji,

 

Is there any astrologer publishing an article with example charts on working of

Mars dosha in the KP literature like A & A, K.P. & Astrology?

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for

> " Horoscope Matching " . KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it

> doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can

> not discard that we have not verified yet.

>

> By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK

> on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -

> " It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on

> the correct match. "

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> > Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the

> > whole KP literature?

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I

> > was

> > > just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for

> > > marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective

> > was

> > > to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have

> > shared

> > > my understanding with the forum.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > >

> > > > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum

> > for

> > > > seeing to be believing.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>, Punit

> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more

> > > > authentic or

> > > > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> > > > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to

> > > > Mars

> > > > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the

> > " only "

> > > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in

> > > > readers

> > > > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not

> > the

> > > > > reason " alone. "

> > > > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is

> > > > pre-destined

> > > > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on

> > > > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for

> > compatibility

> > > > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's

> > > > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has

> > mentioned

> > > > > about it.

> > > > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were

> > > > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must

> > remember

> > > > that

> > > > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with

> > > > Ascendant

> > > > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what

> > Shri

> > > > KSK

> > > > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said

> > > > himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle

> > the

> > > > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited

> > or

> > > > no

> > > > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce

> > etc.

> > > > in

> > > > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't

> > tell

> > > > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear

> > about

> > > > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in

> > bride

> > > > and

> > > > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu

> > astrology

> > > > (and

> > > > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include

> > Moon

> > > > and

> > > > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not

> > just

> > > > an

> > > > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study

> > is

> > > > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage,

> > Married

> > > > Life

> > > > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).

> > > > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras

> > > > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the

> > position

> > > > of

> > > > > > Mars alone? .......

> > > > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate

> > the

> > > > evil

> > > > > > results of Mars.....

> > > > > > 3. Page 55, third para

> > > > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer

> > my

> > > > > > opinion.

> > > > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para

> > > > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh

> > and

> > > > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and

> > > > advise on

> > > > > > the correct match.

> > > > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in

> > the

> > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.

> > > > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP

> > Reader

> > > > IV,

> > > > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc.

> > > > among

> > > > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such

> > > > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a

> > > > position,

> > > > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12

> > or

> > > > the

> > > > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the

> > > > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

> > > > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is

> > > > supposed

> > > > > > to be predestined.

> > > > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported

> > by a

> > > > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say

> > > > > > experience or opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but

> > important

> > > > > > points

> > > > > > > and I would like to mention the same -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by

> > > > Shri

> > > > > > KSK (

> > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when

> > the

> > > > > > husband

> > > > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only

> > if

> > > > a

> > > > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have

> > Mars

> > > > > > dosha

> > > > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider

> > > > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is

> > > > studying

> > > > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A

> > study

> > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha

> > person

> > > > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring

> > to

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how

> > come

> > > > we

> > > > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is

> > > > > > considering

> > > > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not

> > follow

> > > > the

> > > > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called

> > > > correct.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> > > > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,

> > > > matching,

> > > > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married

> > life

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik

> > matching

> > > > rule

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by

> > Shri

> > > > K.

> > > > > > > Hariharan. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT

> > > > provide

> > > > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching

> > and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > > > > > dependent

> > > > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers

> > are

> > > > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found

> > place

> > > > in

> > > > > > KP.

> > > > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool

> > > > (which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool

> > > > (which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:

> > > > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > TW

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> >

> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Punit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna

> > or

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Truly yours,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > **

<%40>

> > <%40><%

> > > > 40

> > > > > > >[

> > > > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40><%

> >

> > > > 40>] *On

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal

> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *To:*

<%40>

> > <%40><%

> >

> > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over

> > the

> > > > > > > > years...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then

> > > > there

> > > > > > is No

> > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who

> > had

> > > > or

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your

> > > > precious

> > > > > > > > response.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *To:*

<%40>

> > <%40><%

> >

> > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the

> > > > > > years...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > > > > > research scholars " ,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these

> > columns

> > > > by

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > KP

> > > > > > > > > > followers,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the

> > > > years,and

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital

> > > > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the

> > > > > > observation

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and

> > > > > > occuping

> > > > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars

> > > > Dosha**...*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very

> > > > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of

> > my

> > > > > > clients

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of

> > Mars

> > > > > > > > Dosha...so

> > > > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > existence

> > > > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based

> > > > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P.

> > System...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects

> > > > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning

> > > > > > > > > > members...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With kind regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Tw ji,

 

The discussion is not fair from your side. You asked a question and I responded by saying 'No'. I also asked quite a few questions and I didn't get response and what I get is another question in reply. I am reproducing one such question my my last email -

 

> By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK> on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> " It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on> the correct match. "

 

You should answer first and then only ask further question.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,Is there any astrologer publishing an article with example charts on working of Mars dosha in the KP literature like A & A, K.P. & Astrology? Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,

>

> No, as I mentioned earlier, KP readers have only traditional methods for> " Horoscope Matching " . KP might not have used Mars dosha, but saying that it> doesn't work require further study. And this is simply the point that we can

> not discard that we have not verified yet.> > By the way, will you agree, though, that this is the conclusion by Shri KSK> on the Mars dosha article (in 1966 edition)? -> " It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and

> consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on> the correct match. " > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:50 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji,> > Have you come across any practical article on working of Mars dosha in the

> > whole KP literature?> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > In my earlier emails, I was neither claiming nor promising any study. I> > was> > > just communicating that the exiting study doesn't cover " Mars dosha for

> > > marriage matching " - the primary application of Mard dosha. My objective> > was> > > to clarify the scope of the existing study and I am happy that I have> > shared

> > > my understanding with the forum.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > >> > > > Any practical study on your understanding would be helpful to the forum> > for

> > > > seeing to be believing.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > > <%40><%

 

> > 40>, Punit> > > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >> > > > > 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more> > > > authentic or> > > > > 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

> > > > > 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to> > > > Mars> > > > > alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the

> > " only " > > > > > reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and> > that> > > > is> > > > > the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in

> > > > readers> > > > > for some other theories like Ashtakvarga), he said that this is not> > the> > > > > reason " alone. " > > > > > 3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is

> > > > pre-destined> > > > > or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on> > > > > indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for

> > compatibility> > > > > matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's> > > > > horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has> > mentioned

> > > > > about it.> > > > > 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were> > > > > considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must

> > remember> > > > that> > > > > Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with> > > > Ascendant> > > > > while judging Mars dosha.

> > > > > 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what> > Shri> > > > KSK> > > > > has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said

> > > > himself.> > > > >> > > > > My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle> > the> > > > > study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited

> > or> > > > no> > > > > value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce> > etc.> > > > in> > > > > marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't

> > tell> > > > > anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear> > about> > > > > it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in

> > bride> > > > and> > > > > groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu> > astrology> > > > (and> > > > > Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include

> > Moon> > > > and> > > > > Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not> > just> > > > an> > > > > incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study

> > is> > > > > clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making> > > > doesn't> > > > > exist which is actually not convered in the study.

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage,

> > Married> > > > Life> > > > > > & Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting).> > > > > > 2. Page 52, second and third paras> > > > > > One may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the

> > position> > > > of> > > > > > Mars alone? .......> > > > > > The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate> > the> > > > evil

> > > > > > results of Mars.....> > > > > > 3. Page 55, third para> > > > > > Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer> > my

> > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > 4. Page 69 fourth para> > > > > > It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh> > and> > > > > > consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and

> > > > advise on> > > > > > the correct match.> > > > > > 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in> > the> > > > > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.

> > > > > > 6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP> > Reader> > > > IV,> > > > > > first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

> > > > > > To cause difference of opinion,disagreement, dispute, divorce etc.> > > > among> > > > > > the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such

> > > > > > undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a> > > > position,> > > > > > that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12

> > or> > > > the> > > > > > sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > > > > significator of 6 or 10 or 12.> > > > > > 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is

> > > > supposed> > > > > > to be predestined.> > > > > > 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported> > by a> > > > > > research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say

> > > > > > experience or opinion.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40><%

 

> > 40>,> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but> > important> > > > > > points> > > > > > > and I would like to mention the same -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by> > > > Shri> > > > > > KSK (> > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha), occurs only when

> > the> > > > > > husband> > > > > > > and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only> > if> > > > a> > > > > > > person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have

> > Mars> > > > > > dosha> > > > > > > (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> > > > > > > only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is

> > > > studying> > > > > > > only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A> > study> > > > > > needs> > > > > > > to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha

> > person> > > > > > > marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring> > to> > > > Mars> > > > > > > dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how

> > come> > > > we> > > > > > > conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha

> > should> > > > be> > > > > > > checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is> > > > > > considering> > > > > > > only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not

> > follow> > > > the> > > > > > > definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called> > > > correct.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here is the conclusion from your article -

> > > > > > > " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity,> > > > matching,> > > > > > > separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married

> > life> > > > etc.> > > > > > > without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik> > matching> > > > rule> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by> > Shri> > > > K.> > > > > > > Hariharan. " > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT> > > > provide> > > > > > > any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching

> > and> > > > not> > > > > > > for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but> > > > doesn't> > > > > > > tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is

> > > > > > dependent> > > > > > > on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers> > are> > > > > > > concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found

> > place> > > > in> > > > > > KP.> > > > > > > In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool> > > > (which> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool> > > > (which> > > > > > is> > > > > > > discussed by Shri KSK).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > What has been found is in the File section under:> > > > > > > > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > TW> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > <%40><%

> > 40><%> >> > > > 40>,

> > > > > > Punit> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/mars-dosha

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@wrote:> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna> > or

> > > > Moon> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Truly yours,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ** <%40>

> > <%40><%> > > > 40> > > > > > >[

> > > > > > > > <%40><%

> > 40><%> >> > > > 40>] *On

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of *pankaj bansal> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* 04 December 2009 22:50> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *To:* <%40>

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> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over> > the> > > > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > > > > > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus).Then

> > > > there> > > > > > is No> > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who

> > had> > > > or> > > > > > had> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your

> > > > precious> > > > > > > > response.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *To:* <%40>

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> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > > > > > years...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.

> > > > > > > > > > research scholars " ,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these

> > columns> > > > by> > > > > > many> > > > > > > > KP> > > > > > > > > > followers,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the> > > > years,and> > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > analysing the charts of many a married couples,for marital

> > > > > > > > > > problems,especially ,after marriage,I agree 100% with the> > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > K.P. books that *Mars posited in Sun's star,or own star,and

> > > > > > occuping> > > > > > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII** **alone causes Mars> > > > Dosha**...*> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I invite the opinion of all members...on this very> > > > > > > > > > controversial matter,and I must add here that almost ALL of> > my

> > > > > > clients> > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > come to consult me,strongly believe about the existence of> > Mars> > > > > > > > Dosha...so

> > > > > > > > > > much so that they attribute almost every domestic problem> > to> > > > the> > > > > > > > existence> > > > > > > > > > of Mars Dosha,and keep asking for * " remedies " .. .* !

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Which I patiently have to explain in detail...based> > > > > > > > > > on their own experience in the practise of the K.P.

> > System...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is just to illustrate how deeply the ill-effects> > > > > > > > > > of Mars are embedded in the minds of people,at large...

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Am looking forward to comments from discerning> > > > > > > > > > members...> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With kind regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

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