Failed Predictions

December 10, 2009

Dear Patil ji,

I agree with you that it is very important to study failed cases.

We can find a lot of failed predictions in the archive of the forum, so there seems no need to ask failed predictions from the members. You can refer some of the recent quizzes where we have couple of failed predictions. If we go through the old messages, we can find many failed predictions.

I do not feel that people do not dare, otherwise they would not have participated in the quizzes at very first place. We have seen good participation and hence questioning courage will not be correct. I feel that astrologers generally are not good in recording failed predictions and that can be a reason for not much response to your email.

To ignite this topic, you can also start with your own failed cases. That may also create interest and hence discussion on this topic.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote:

Dear PunitjiI feel that you will recollect my previous post in which I requested all members of forum as well as readers about wrong predictions, but no one dares to put a single horoscope except TWji who had given clue of an article in which the author discribed 4 cases of failure in prediction s.

What you have said in your post " No wonder, we have seen many failures in predicting marriage time using KP principles in this forum itself. " Often we meet such a cases but we have frightened that if we put it before others we will be blamed that we are against KP. But this is not the case.We are trying to enrich KP irrespective of any malice intention and applying all possible principles given by KP as well as certain hints in scattered material by KSK in 1 to 6 readers though it may be related to vedic astrology generally known as traditional astrology or western astrology.

We have to gather courage to accept the failures and only failures are to be studied for the better accuracy of the system.With regards.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur,MAharashtraCell No. : +91 9673746303 /+91 9422582853

On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:30:27 +0530 wrote >Dear Pavan ji, //are you saying that Guruji doesnt have any match making at his time for him thats why neither supported nor rejected Mars dosha,//You got it right. He didn't had any method for horoscope matching and Mars dosha doesn't fit well in KP. The dilemma is quite clear from the article. I have repeated this understanding of mine many times now. His dilemma is clear and that is the reason he has to append few more paragraphs to the articl, which actually made article more confusing.

//An author like Sri KSK who released an entire book on marriage progeny ( giving highest preference than any set of events ie. money, profession etc..) and rejected all types of " poruthams " can not comment on mars dosha clearly and left it to his students (not mentioning about that) for further research !//

This is a fact. Probably he found marriage most challenging and difficult to interpret and hence had to devote maximum text to it. No wonder, we have seen many failures in predicting marriage time using KP principles in this forum itself.

He also was not able to conclude about predicting height of the partner and he mentioned the same in fourth reader. In third reader he said that the research is going on progression. There are many areas where he was not able to conclude. Astrology is ocean and we can not expect him to give us everything. By including all seemingly contradictory content in the readers, he wanted his followers to be open, accepting, and ready for research. There are reasons why he didn't write to-the-point book like Nakshatra Chintamani but opted altogether different approach in his readers.

//what is your opinion on these questions, Does it mean that KSK didnt know answers for these queries and suggested Mars-dosha for match making.//He tried to answer these questions and some other questions he raised earlier in the form of conclusion. If we read the article we can find that he answered question based on his understanding.

On a side note, if he didn't know the answer, then he didn't know the answer. What is the harm in accepting that? Let us not treat Shri KSK as the end of astrology but a new beginning of astrology. He knew few principles very well and he clearly taught us. Some of the principles where he was also unsure, left for future research. Research will continue and should not end with Shri KSK, and it was his wish.

//Practically in how many divorced charts we find mars dosham ..........let us collect those charts and study and look for ourselves.//I agree that this is the best way to conclude a topic. We are doing it in this forum for a long time and should keep doing. There is no alternate to practical study.

Thanks Regards,Punit PandeyOn Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:39 PM, vgr pavan wrote:Punitji Pranam,

Shri KSK neither rejected nor advocated Mars dosha because he didn't have any alternate for marriage matching at that time. He simply shared his opinion and left it up to future development. Mars dosha is not alone there are many cases that he left untouched for future.

are you saying that Guruji doesnt have any match making at his time for him thats why neither supported nor rejected Mars dosha,An author like Sri KSK who released an entire book on marriage progeny ( giving highest preference than any set of events ie. money, profession etc..) and rejected all types of " poruthams " can not comment on mars dosha clearly and left it to his students (not mentioning about that) for further research !

he clearly stated that one should not unnecessarily worry about kuja dosha what else will be the proof than this,.he clearly and straightly asked the points : 18. If there is no such dosha in both the horoscopes , is a happy and harmonious wedded life guaranteed for a long no.of years ?

19. as the houses 2,7,11 indicate ones marriage as well as the state of married life , if these houses are occupied by benefics and if mars occupies an evil sign , even then will there be any bad effect ?20. If the houses 2,7 and 11 are owned by malefics and occupied by malefics and there is no mars dosha , how can the partners lead a prosperous life ?

what is your opinion on these questions, Does it mean that KSK didnt know answers for these queries and suggested Mars-dosha for match making.KSK never told that compatibility analysis for prosperous married life. he just asked us to see whether the native is blessed with prosperous married life or not, if he has not such luck .......which chart we shall select for him.

KSK always said that see the " praptham " (possibility) not the " porutham " (compatibilty)which his students like M.C.khare, sivapadam etc mentioned in their articles.........Practically in how many divorced charts we find mars dosham ..........

let us collect those charts and study and look for ourselves.I am not Pointing any one , i want to learn more from this debate.....(frankly speaking your discussion lead to me read this topic again and again, thanks for that )

Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Tue, 8/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 6:42 PM Dear Pavan ji, According to him the Mars dosha, as it is judged traditionally, is not correct. He recommends us to consider those 20 points while judging Mars dosha. This is another differentiator of the article.

He is trying to answer the question which he asked himself. He also says that there are people who unnecessary exaggerate Mars dosha without considering 20 given points. In other words, Mars dosha should be judged keeping those 20 points in mind.

Does it not mean that he is recommending Mars dosha under some of his recommendations that he kept telling in the article? It is not rejection, but a correction to traditional understating IMO.

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM, vgr pavan wrote: punitji pranam,waiting for your reply on point 4 .regards

Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Tue, 8/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... @gro ups.comTuesday, 8 December, 2009, 5:29 PM Dear Pavan ji, // I still didnt understand what is the difference between mars dosha for compatibility and mars causing seperation. //As you know marriage matching is used to decide upon the horoscope of bride or groom. How Mars dosha is used tradionally? Is it used on single horoscope?

Marriage matching is done on two charts. It is not about making some prediction for individual but composite study of impact of two horoscopes on each other. KP doesn't have any method for marriage matching in readers and hence we can see development of KPDP later.

//1.) Our Guruji gave preference to stars but not to the mere placement in a sign ,(like in vedic astrology). Even in star placements he went further and divided into sub divisions. He proved that the minute subdivisions are responsible in drastic changes in the lifes of the people born in the same place or twins.

In this context how it will be logical to belive that KSK suggested us to verify mars dosha (which deals only with placement in a sign). //Shri KSK also talked about mere placement of Saturn can cause Punarphoo (http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo). KP readers are full of such examples.

I agree it doesn't gel well with KP and I have written a seperate email about it. But it was Shri KSK's choice to include this article. Probably he found something important and that is the reason we find it in readers. His choice. Contradictions are nothing new in KP readers.

//3) why guruji suggested us to judge separately about longevity etc... If mars dosha can cause widowhood to either.//You missed the point that the appended paragraphs were not conclusion. Please see my discussion with Tw ji and you will find that the conclusion is the paragraph where Shri KSK sugges weighing Mars Dosha in both the chart.

The appended line, as those apply on individual chart, doesn't say anything about Mars dosha in marriage matching. If you will read tradional astrology books, you will also find application of Mars dosha in individual's horoscope and it is rejected by Shri KSK. The same is also proven by the study.

//then how can we say that ksk advocated Kuja dosha analysis for match making.//Shri KSK neither rejected nor advocated Mars dosha because he didn't have any alternate for marriage matching at that time. He simply shared his opinion and left it up to future development. Mars dosha is not alone there are many cases that he left untouched for future.

Now Mars dosha exists in Astro Secrets (as also shared by Lajmi ji) and KPDP. Again it is individual's choice to accept or reject it. //therefore it is clear that KSK categorise Mars-dosha and stated his opinion only for those astrologers but not to his followers : //

It is your interpretion. He starts with " let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion " and at then end of the article he offers his opinion that " It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match. "

Now if we say that he referred astrologers to some other astrologers and not to his followers will be stretching it too far. He simply didn't have any alternate method of marriage matching and hence he draw that conclusion. Accept it or reject it is our choice, though it is the fact that KP readers do not offer any method for marriage matching. Lajmi ji vociferously advocate KPDP and I guess there are some other methods available as well if we see later KP literature. Need of KPDP tells absense of marriage matching method in KP.

What you are saying doesn't seem correct because of Shri KSK's nature of bluntly rejected the methods that doesn't work. He didn't reject it in the whole article. He is clearly recommending it to astrologers from above conclusion. Now assuming that these are some other astrologers and not KP followers, still he is recommending it to those astrologers and not rejecting it. I do not remember any other place in readers where Shri KSK has recommended some method to some astrologers and not to his followers. After all the readers are written for his followers and not for some other astrologers.

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, vgr pavan wrote: Punitji Pranam,I still didnt understand what is the difference between mars dosha for compatibility and mars causing seperation.1.) Our Guruji gave preference to stars but not to the mere placement in a sign ,(like in vedic astrology). Even in star placements he went further and divided into sub divisions. He proved that the minute subdivisions are responsible in drastic changes in the lifes of the people born in the same place or twins.

In this context how it will be logical to belive that KSK suggested us to verify mars dosha (which deals only with placement in a sign). 2) KSK in many instances told that every one has to face the good or bad events in his life based upon the meritorious deeds done in his previous birth and no chart has influence on others life. then how will be to think that mars placement in wifes chart will cause problems even though husbands chart indicating hormonious wedded life !

3) why guruji suggested us to judge separately about longevity etc... If mars dosha can cause widowhood to either.4) p.no. 52. Guruji stated as follows :One may ask, ' " why should they attach too much importance to the position of mars alone ? we had never heard anybody taking of moon`s dosha or any other planet`s dosha or sun`s dosha or any other planets dosha . then does it mean that mars alone will do so much harm to the couple to the couple which other planets cannot do " ?

the reply is that there are some people who unnecessarily exaggerate the evil results of mars. Most of the following points are not taken into consideration he stated 20 points against kuja dosha:then how can we say that ksk advocated Kuja dosha analysis for match making.the reason for the para by Guruji as shown by you is that (as i feel)in the starting of the concept p.no. 55 :

" when parents attempt to fix the marriage of their sons and the daughters, the so called mars dosha , interpreted by astrologers according to their whims and fancies , confuses them due to varying opinion given by them. "

after few lines : " let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion " :thats why he divided mars-dosha into three groups and said the anology of blood group (because ksk tries to say that we has to match the chart having kuja dosha with a chart having similar dosha but not the other two variants,)

therefore it is clear that KSK categorise Mars-dosha and stated his opinion only for those astrologers but not to his followers : " It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match "

As per the mails of tinwinji i understood that the topic ended here, and later the last few paras were inserted So as to let the readers know how K.P. followers look at these " doshas " by taking only the sub-level significations and not the mere placement of mars in different signs.

hope i am clear.i am not critising any one this iis what i understood about this concept.Guruji bless us all. Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Mon, 7/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... @gro ups.comMonday, 7 December, 2009, 12:50 AM Dear Pavan ji, It seem you are also mixing up two things. The Mars dosha section talks about two points -

1. Mars dosha for marriage matching2. Mars dosha for predicting " difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute " The section that has been appended later on in 1971 edition (starting from - To cause different of opinion ....) is for using Mars dosha for predicting difference of opinion, disagreement, disputes etc. Shri KSK himself clearly mentioned that any planet can do that. The study also proved the same point which Shri KSK has said. If you read my earlier email, I appreciated study for proving this point.

Though my point is that study didn't touch Mars dosha in marriage matching. Shri KSK said - " It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. "

It is clearly Shri KSK's opinion for using Mars dosha in " marriage matching " and not predicting on individual's horoscope. Point 1 (Mars dosha in marriage matching) was suggested by Shri KSK but not touched by study. My reason for writing the email was that people should not confuse that the study rejected both - mars dosha in prediction and mars dosha in marriage matching. The truth is that the study touched only mars dosha in prediction on individual's chart.

Generally Shri KSK was very truthful and blunt in calling a spade a spade. If he found that something is not working, he bluntly said that. Though when he says something to " weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha " , we should listen him till the time some study proves otherwise. We will have to wait for a study that checks bride and groom's chart simultaneously and conclude something. I hope now you got my point.

I do not have 1966 edition with me. Tw ji said that upto " It is, therefore, ... " is reprint of earlier edition of 1966. Which means " It is, therefore, ... " was the actual conclusion by Shri KSK and I do not think that there should be any doubt on it. He starts with that I'll tell you my opinion and finally he offers this opinion to " weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha " .

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM, vgr pavan wrote: Punitji pranam,Pardon for interfering ....the qoute in reader 4 is " To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left

to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect providedthey happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord ofthe planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord isdeposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significatorof 6 or 10 or 12 " .Guruji , also stressed that " any planet can cause " such " undesirable effect , So he is telling

that we need not give preference to " Mars " alone , any planet can cause such results. Again in the next para " If the sub lord is mars or if it is in the constellation of mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. thus we have to predict. "

here also he said " separation " will be caused by mars only when he is sublord or sub tenanted star lord and significator for 6,10,12. but not with mere placement of mars in various signs from asc, moon, venus.

[in P.no. 194 under the head " Divorce " " there is no mars dosha in this chart because it is in a movable sign , it is debilitated ; conjoined with mercury . Yet look at the fate . thus taking the position of mars and offering predictions which appear more like a curse is not correct . but take the planets situated in the star or sub of mars in 1,2,4,8,12 ,. then , that planet tenanted in such a mars star will offer undesirable and disagreeable results.]

point no. 3 " Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching " i think you are pointing the para above the para given by me, it reads as follows: " It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match " :

in the starting of this explanation on mars dosha P.no.55 KSK mentioned that : " Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. " So i think that upto the above para (p.no. 69 ) is what Gurujis explanation about various rules and the later paragraphs are his " final " opinion.(which are last paras of the topic) .

point no.4 guruji explained what vedic astrological rules for " Mars Dosha " are . but not instructed us to follow the same. These are my opinions .......Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:

Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

@gro ups.comSunday, 6 December, 2009, 9:40 PM Dear Tw ji, 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points.

2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that " .... it can not be left to Mars alone " , it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the " only " reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the reason " alone. "

3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned about it.

4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant while judging Mars dosha.

5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself. My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear about it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't exist which is actually not convered in the study.

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW wrote: Dear Friends,1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, " Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......

The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. 4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:

To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12.

7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.

Thanks and regards, TW

@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (

> http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying

> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare - a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars

> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering

> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -> " It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and

> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan. " > > Here again it seems that we are mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not

> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are

> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is

> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc

> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > @gro ups.com , Punit

> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha

> > >> > > Thanks Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or

> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** @gro ups.com [

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> > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No

> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@

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> > > > *Cc:* Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > *Sent:* Fri, 4 December, 2009 8:05:18 PM> >> > > > *Subject:* MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Not withstanding what has been averred by some " K.P.> > > > research scholars " ,

> > > >> > > > and whose research has been qestioned already in these columns by many> > KP> > > > followers,> > > >> > > > *and also,*my own experience about Mars Dosha,over the years,and after

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December 10, 2009

Dear Punit,

I have failed several times,but almost every time,my failure was due to mistakes in timing of the event...After a lot of effort I had traced the errors to the simple fact that I had in every case of failure ignored the fundamental rule of timing of events...( I am refering to only horary cases now..),that if the XIth cusp falls in moveable,fixed or common sign,the sensitive point is to taken in the VIIth,IXth and the XIth house respectively... !

I felt so silly afterwards that I cannot put my feelings in words,because I had,with so many years of experience,begun to ignore such a very Fundmental Rule in K.P. !

And frankly, I couldn't muster enough courage to write to you about it...! !

I shall write about my mistakes in Natal Astrology...now...which were also timing,and in applying K.P. Rules... corectly...mostly wishful thinking used to contribute largely to these errors. And avoiding "wishfull thinkig" especially when you are analysing your relatives',

friends' or own chart...this "wishful thinking often clouds one's judgement...at least,I have been a victim,several times...

With the very best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

With best wishes

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Thu, 10 December, 2009 3:31:19 PM Failed Predictions

Dear Patil ji,

I agree with you that it is very important to study failed cases.

We can find a lot of failed predictions in the archive of the forum, so there seems no need to ask failed predictions from the members. You can refer some of the recent quizzes where we have couple of failed predictions. If we go through the old messages, we can find many failed predictions.

I do not feel that people do not dare, otherwise they would not have participated in the quizzes at very first place. We have seen good participation and hence questioning courage will not be correct. I feel that astrologers generally are not good in recording failed predictions and that can be a reason for not much response to your email.

To ignite this topic, you can also start with your own failed cases. That may also create interest and hence discussion on this topic.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

Dear PunitjiI feel that you will recollect my previous post in which I requested all members of forum as well as readers about wrong predictions, but no one dares to put a single horoscope except TWji who had given clue of an article in which the author discribed 4 cases of failure in prediction s.What you have said in your post " No wonder, we have seen many failures in predicting marriage time using KP principles in this forum itself. "Often we meet such a cases but we have frightened that if we put it before others we will be blamed that we are against KP. But this is not the case.We are trying to enrich KP irrespective of any malice intention and applying all possible principles given by KP as well as certain hints in scattered material by KSK in 1 to 6 readers though it may be related to vedic astrology generally known as traditional astrology or western astrology.We have to gather courage to accept the failures and only

failures are to be studied for the better accuracy of the system.With regards.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur,MAharashtr aCell No. : +91 9673746303 /+91 9422582853On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:30:27 +0530 wrote >Dear Pavan ji, //are you saying that Guruji doesnt have any match making at his time for him thats why neither supported nor rejected Mars dosha,//You got it right. He didn't had any method for horoscope matching and Mars dosha doesn't fit well in KP. The dilemma is quite clear from the article. I have repeated this understanding of mine many times now. His dilemma is clear and that is the reason he has to append few more paragraphs to the articl, which actually made article more confusing.

//An author like Sri KSK who released an entire book on marriage progeny ( giving highest preference than any set of events ie. money, profession etc..) and rejected all types of "poruthams" can not comment on mars dosha clearly and left it to his students (not mentioning about that) for further research !//This is a fact. Probably he found marriage most challenging and difficult to interpret and hence had to devote maximum text to it. No wonder, we have seen many failures in predicting marriage time using KP principles in this forum itself. He also was not able to conclude about predicting height of the partner and he mentioned the same in fourth reader. In third reader he said that the research is going on progression. There are many areas where he was not able to conclude. Astrology is ocean and we can not expect him to give us everything. By including all seemingly contradictory content in the readers,

he wanted his followers to be open, accepting, and ready for research. There are reasons why he didn't write to-the-point book like Nakshatra Chintamani but opted altogether different approach in his readers. //what is your opinion on these questions, Does it mean that KSK didnt know answers for these queries and suggested Mars-dosha for match making.//He tried to answer these questions and some other questions he raised earlier in the form of conclusion. If we read the article we can find that he answered question based on his understanding. On a side note, if he didn't know the answer, then he didn't know the answer. What is the harm in accepting that? Let us not treat Shri KSK as the end of astrology but a new beginning of astrology. He knew few principles very well and he clearly taught us. Some of the principles where he was also unsure, left for future research. Research will continue and should not end with Shri

KSK, and it was his wish. //Practically in how many divorced charts we find mars dosham ..........let us collect those charts and study and look for ourselves.//I agree that this is the best way to conclude a topic. We are doing it in this forum for a long time and should keep doing. There is no alternate to practical study. Thanks Regards,Punit PandeyOn Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:39 PM, vgr pavan wrote:Punitji Pranam,

Shri KSK neither rejected nor advocated Mars dosha because he didn't have any alternate for marriage matching at that time. He simply shared his opinion and left it up to future development. Mars dosha is not alone there are many cases that he left untouched for future.

are you saying that Guruji doesnt have any match making at his time for him thats why neither supported nor rejected Mars dosha,An author like Sri KSK who released an entire book on marriage progeny ( giving highest preference than any set of events ie. money, profession etc..) and rejected all types of "poruthams" can not comment on mars dosha clearly and left it to his students (not mentioning about that) for further research !he clearly stated that one should not unnecessarily worry about kuja dosha what else will be the proof than this,.he clearly and straightly asked the points : 18. If there is no such dosha in both the horoscopes , is a happy and harmonious wedded life guaranteed for a long no.of years ?19. as the houses 2,7,11 indicate ones marriage as well as the state of married life , if these houses are occupied by benefics and if mars occupies an evil sign , even then will there

be any bad effect ?20. If the houses 2,7 and 11 are owned by malefics and occupied by malefics and there is no mars dosha , how can the partners lead a prosperous life ?

what is your opinion on these questions, Does it mean that KSK didnt know answers for these queries and suggested Mars-dosha for match making.KSK never told that compatibility analysis for prosperous married life. he just asked us to see whether the native is blessed with prosperous married life or not, if he has not such luck .......which chart we shall select for him. KSK always said that see the "praptham"(possibility) not the "porutham"(compatibilty) which his students like M.C.khare, sivapadam etc mentioned in their articles.... .....Practically in how many divorced charts we find mars dosham ..........let us collect those charts and study and look for ourselves.I am not Pointing any one , i want to learn more from this debate.....( frankly speaking your discussion lead to me read this topic again and again, thanks for that ) Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Tue, 8/12/09, Punit Pandey

wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...@gro ups.com Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 6:42 PM Dear Pavan ji, According to him the Mars dosha, as it is judged traditionally, is not correct. He recommends us to consider those 20 points while judging Mars dosha. This is another differentiator of the article. He is trying to answer the question which he asked himself. He also says that there are people who unnecessary exaggerate Mars dosha without considering 20 given points. In other words, Mars dosha should be judged keeping those 20 points in mind. Does it not mean that he is recommending Mars dosha under some of his recommendations that he kept telling in the article? It is not rejection, but a correction to traditional understating IMO. Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM, vgr pavan wrote: punitji pranam,waiting for your reply on point 4 .regards

Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Tue, 8/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... @gro ups.comTuesday, 8 December, 2009, 5:29 PM Dear Pavan ji, // I still didnt understand what is the difference between mars dosha for compatibility and mars causing seperation. //As you know marriage matching is used to decide upon the horoscope of bride or groom. How Mars dosha is used tradionally? Is it used on single horoscope? Marriage matching is done on two charts. It is not about making some prediction for individual but composite study of impact of two horoscopes on each other. KP doesn't have any method for marriage matching in readers and hence we can see development of KPDP later. //1.) Our Guruji gave preference to stars but not to the mere placement in a sign ,(like in vedic astrology). Even in star placements he went further and divided into sub divisions. He proved that the minute subdivisions are responsible in drastic changes in the lifes of the people born in the

same place or twins.In this context how it will be logical to belive that KSK suggested us to verify mars dosha (which deals only with placement in a sign). //Shri KSK also talked about mere placement of Saturn can cause Punarphoo (http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) . KP readers are full of such examples. I agree it doesn't gel well with KP and I have written a seperate email about it. But it was Shri KSK's choice to include this article. Probably he found something important and that is the reason we find it in readers. His choice. Contradictions are nothing new in KP readers. //3) why guruji suggested us to judge separately about longevity etc... If mars dosha can cause widowhood to either.//You missed the point that the appended paragraphs were not conclusion. Please see my discussion with Tw ji and you will find that the

conclusion is the paragraph where Shri KSK sugges weighing Mars Dosha in both the chart. The appended line, as those apply on individual chart, doesn't say anything about Mars dosha in marriage matching. If you will read tradional astrology books, you will also find application of Mars dosha in individual's horoscope and it is rejected by Shri KSK. The same is also proven by the study. //then how can we say that ksk advocated Kuja dosha analysis for match making.//Shri KSK neither rejected nor advocated Mars dosha because he didn't have any alternate for marriage matching at that time. He simply shared his opinion and left it up to future development. Mars dosha is not alone there are many cases that he left untouched for future. Now Mars dosha exists in Astro Secrets (as also shared by Lajmi ji) and KPDP. Again it is individual's choice to accept or reject it.

//therefore it is clear that KSK categorise Mars-dosha and stated his opinion only for those astrologers but not to his followers : //It is your interpretion. He starts with "let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion" and at then end of the article he offers his opinion that "It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match." Now if we say that he referred astrologers to some other astrologers and not to his followers will be stretching it too far. He simply didn't have any alternate method of marriage matching and hence he draw that conclusion. Accept it or reject it is our choice, though it is the fact that KP readers do not offer any method for marriage matching. Lajmi ji vociferously advocate KPDP and I guess there are some other methods

available as well if we see later KP literature. Need of KPDP tells absense of marriage matching method in KP. What you are saying doesn't seem correct because of Shri KSK's nature of bluntly rejected the methods that doesn't work. He didn't reject it in the whole article. He is clearly recommending it to astrologers from above conclusion. Now assuming that these are some other astrologers and not KP followers, still he is recommending it to those astrologers and not rejecting it. I do not remember any other place in readers where Shri KSK has recommended some method to some astrologers and not to his followers. After all the readers are written for his followers and not for some other astrologers. Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM, vgr pavan wrote: Punitji Pranam,I still didnt understand what is the difference between mars dosha for compatibility and mars causing seperation.1. ) Our Guruji gave preference to stars but not to the mere placement in a sign ,(like in vedic astrology). Even in star placements he went further and divided into sub divisions. He proved that the minute subdivisions are responsible in drastic changes in the lifes of the people born in the same place or twins.In this context how it will be logical to belive that KSK suggested us to verify mars dosha (which deals only with placement in a sign). 2) KSK in many instances told that every one has to face the good or bad events in his life based upon the meritorious deeds done in his previous birth and no chart has influence on others life. then how will be to think that mars placement

in wifes chart will cause problems even though husbands chart indicating hormonious wedded life !3) why guruji suggested us to judge separately about longevity etc... If mars dosha can cause widowhood to either.4) p.no. 52. Guruji stated as follows :One may ask, '"why should they attach too much importance to the position of mars alone ? we had never heard anybody taking of moon`s dosha or any other planet`s dosha or sun`s dosha or any other planets dosha . then does it mean that mars alone will do so much harm to the couple to the couple which other planets cannot do"?the reply is that there are some people who unnecessarily exaggerate the evil results of mars. Most of the following points are not taken into consideration he stated 20 points against kuja dosha:then how can we say that ksk advocated Kuja dosha analysis for match making.the reason for the para by

Guruji as shown by you is that (as i feel)in the starting of the concept p.no. 55 :"when parents attempt to fix the marriage of their sons and the daughters, the so called mars dosha , interpreted by astrologers according to their whims and fancies , confuses them due to varying opinion given by them." after few lines :"let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion ":thats why he divided mars-dosha into three groups and said the anology of blood group (because ksk tries to say that we has to match the chart having kuja dosha with a chart having similar dosha but not the other two variants,) therefore it is clear that KSK categorise Mars-dosha and stated his opinion only for those astrologers but not to his followers : "It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various

points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match"As per the mails of tinwinji i understood that the topic ended here, and later the last few paras were inserted So as to let the readers know how K.P. followers look at these "doshas" by taking only the sub-level significations and not the mere placement of mars in different signs.hope i am clear.i am not critising any one this iis what i understood about this concept.Guruji bless us all. Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Mon, 7/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years... @gro ups.comMonday, 7 December, 2009, 12:50 AM Dear Pavan ji, It seem you are also mixing up two things. The Mars dosha section talks about two points -1. Mars dosha for marriage matching2. Mars dosha for predicting "difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute" The section that has been appended later on in 1971 edition (starting from - To cause different of opinion ....) is for using Mars dosha for predicting difference of opinion, disagreement, disputes etc. Shri KSK himself clearly mentioned that any planet can do that. The study also proved the same point which Shri KSK has said. If you read my earlier email, I appreciated study for proving this point. Though my point is that study didn't touch Mars dosha in marriage matching. Shri KSK said -"It is,

therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match." It is clearly Shri KSK's opinion for using Mars dosha in "marriage matching" and not predicting on individual's horoscope. Point 1 (Mars dosha in marriage matching) was suggested by Shri KSK but not touched by study. My reason for writing the email was that people should not confuse that the study rejected both - mars dosha in prediction and mars dosha in marriage matching. The truth is that the study touched only mars dosha in prediction on individual's chart. Generally Shri KSK was very truthful and blunt in calling a spade a spade. If he found that something is not working, he bluntly said that. Though when he says something to "weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha", we should listen him till the time some study proves otherwise.

We will have to wait for a study that checks bride and groom's chart simultaneously and conclude something. I hope now you got my point. I do not have 1966 edition with me. Tw ji said that upto "It is, therefore, ..." is reprint of earlier edition of 1966. Which means "It is, therefore, ..." was the actual conclusion by Shri KSK and I do not think that there should be any doubt on it. He starts with that I'll tell you my opinion and finally he offers this opinion to "weigh and consider various points of Mars Dosha".Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:27 PM, vgr pavan wrote: Punitji pranam,Pardon for interfering ....the qoute in reader 4 is "To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not leftto Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect providedthey happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord ofthe planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord isdeposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significatorof 6 or 10 or 12".Guruji , also stressed that "any planet can cause "such" undesirable effect , So he is telling

that we need not give preference to "Mars" alone , any planet can cause such results. Again in the next para" If the sub lord is mars or if it is in the constellation of mars , and if is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be separation. If it is saturn , silence and remain dumb-stick and strike. thus we have to predict." here also he said "separation" will be caused by mars only when he is sublord or sub tenanted star lord and significator for 6,10,12. but not with mere placement of mars in various signs from asc, moon, venus. [in P.no. 194 under the head "Divorce""there is no mars dosha in this chart because it is in a movable sign , it is debilitated ; conjoined with mercury . Yet look at the fate . thus taking the position of mars and offering predictions which appear more like a curse is not correct . but take the planets situated in the star or sub of mars in 1,2,4,8,12 ,.

then , that planet tenanted in such a mars star will offer undesirable and disagreeable results.] point no. 3 "Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for compatibility matching"i think you are pointing the para above the para given by me, it reads as follows: "It is therefore , necessary that astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of mars dosha in the given charts and advice on the correct match": in the starting of this explanation on mars dosha P.no.55 KSK mentioned that : "Let me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. " So i think that upto the above para (p.no. 69 ) is what Gurujis explanation about various rules and the later paragraphs are his "final" opinion.(which are last paras of the topic) .point no.4 guruji explained what vedic astrological rules for "Mars Dosha " are .

but not instructed us to follow the same. These are my opinions .......Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Punit Pandey wrote:Punit Pandey Re: FW: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the years...

@gro ups.comSunday, 6 December, 2009, 9:40 PM Dear Tw ji, 1. Please tell clearly whether you are saying that 1966 is more authentic or 1971. I do not understand the reason for initial 6 points. 2. Even in 1971 edition, when we say that ".... it can not be left to Mars alone", it clearly means that Mars has impact, but it is not the "only" reason. Shri KSK were very clear about the impact of Mars dosha and that is the rason instead of rejecting it (which he has done quite often in readers for some other theories like Ashtakvarga) , he said that this is not the reason "alone."3. Regarding point 7, the question is not whether everything is pre-destined or not. The question is whether it is correct to check Mars dosha on indiviaul's chart where Shri KSK clearly mentioned it for

compatibility matching. Any conclusion drawn without considered both the partner's horoscope seems incomplete to me and against what Shri KSK has mentioned about it. 4. You also didn't answer my question, whether Moon and Venus were considered or not, apart from Ascendant, in the study? We must remember that Shri KSK clearly mentioned about inclusion of Moon and Venus with Ascendant while judging Mars dosha. 5. What ideas you are finding speculative? I am just quoting what Shri KSK has said and what proof you need more than what Shri KSK has said himself. My objections and questions doesn't mean that I am try to belittle the study. The study is useful and establish that Mars dosha has limited or no value when it comes to predicting disagreement, dispute, and divorce etc. in marriage. It is a good and useful finding. Though the study doesn't tell anything about Mars dosha compatibility and we should be very clear

about it. Most of the problems are said when Mars dosha doesn't match in bride and groom's chart and this is the utility of this theory in Hindu astrology (and Indian families). Also, in future study must be extended to include Moon and Venus, so that it can test the real definition of Mars dosha and not just an incomplete definition of Mars dosha. Till the time the scope of study is clear, people may confuse and think that Mars dosha is match making doesn't exist which is actually not convered in the study. Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM, TW wrote: Dear Friends,1. Mars dosha has been written in the KP Reader IV (Marriage, Married Life Children) pages 51-69 (any Edition of reprinting). 2. Page 52, second and third parasOne may ask, "Why should they attach so much importance to the position of Mars alone? .......The reply is that there are some people who unnessarily exaggerate the evil results of Mars.....3. Page 55, third paraLet me first of all reproduce the various rules and finally offer my opinion. 4. Page 69 fourth para It is, therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match. 5. Up to the above para is reprinted from the early writtings in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol II, Sagar publications, 1966.6. Page 69 fourth to sixth paras are added in the mentioned KP Reader IV, first published in May 1971; fourth para is as given under:To cause difference of opinion,disagreemen t, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12. 7. In KP, marriage matching, like education, occupation,death, is

supposed to be predestined. 8. The speculative ideas would be sound, if and only if supported by a research study of sufficient numbers of charts other than here say experience or opinion.Thanks and regards, TW

@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > I personally feel that the study missed few very basic but important points> and I would like to mention the same -> > 1. Problems due to Mars Dosha, tradionally as well as narrated by Shri KSK (> http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha), occurs only when the husband> and wife do not have same level of dosha. The problem exists only if a> person having Mars dosha marries to the person who doesn't have Mars dosha> (even if we ignore level of dosha). The study seems to consider> only individual's chart and not two charts together. If it is studying> only individual's chart, the study doesn't have much meaning. A study needs> to see Mars dosha in two situation and compare

- a) mars dosha person> marriying to mars dosha person, b) mars dosha person not marring to Mars> dosha person. Till the time we compare this two situation, how come we> conclude whether Mars Dosha works or not.> > 2. Traditonally as well as according to Shri KSK, Mars dosha should be> checked from Ascendant, Moon and Venus. It seems that study is considering> only Ascedant and ignoring Moon and Venus. Again, if we do not follow the> definition properly, the conclusion reached can not be called correct.> > Here is the conclusion from your article -> "It is to follow the KP rules only in considering longevity, matching,> separation, divorce, multi-marriage, happy or unhappy married life etc.> without mixing up with the traditional Manglik-to- Manglik matching rule and> explain the public not to worry about Mars Dosha as suggested by Shri K.> Hariharan."> > Here again it seems that we are

mixing up two things. KP does NOT provide> any tool for chart matching and Mars dosha is a tool for matching and not> for prediction. KP clearly gives the rule for longevity etc., but doesn't> tell much about matching two charts. There is no doubt that KP is dependent> on traditional methods of horoscope matching as far as KP readers are> concerned. This is the reason Koota as well as Mars dosha found place in KP.> In my opinion, the study is about Mars dosha as a predictive tool (which is> not discussed by Shri KSK) and NOT Mars dosha as a matching tool (which is> discussed by Shri KSK).> > Thanks Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:51 PM, TW tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Friends,> > What has been found is in the File section under:> > MARS DOSHA IN KP.doc> > Regards,> > TW> >> >> > --- In

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> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > Here is what is found in third reader -> > >> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/mars- dosha> > >> > > Thanks Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Ramani kadavasalramani@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Shri Bansalj,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Any kind of Mars Dosha including the Mars in 4th fron Lagna or Moon or> > > > Venus gets cancelled when Mars is aspected by Saturn.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Truly yours,> > > >> > > >> > > >>

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> > > > *Subject:* Re: MARS DOSHA...my experience over the> > years...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Namaste Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > If Mars is placed In 4th house from> > > > Lagna & Venus and Placed in POORVASHADA Nakshatra(Venus) .Then there is No> > So> > > > called Mars dosha and the Native Can Marriage anybody who had or had> > not> > > > mars dosha in this Birth Chart?Eagerly waiting for your precious> > response.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > ** Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi@> > > >> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

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Dear Lajmiji

Could you please elaborate this statement.

if the XIth cusp falls in moveable,fixed or common sign,the sensitive point is to taken in the VIIth,IXth and the XIth house respectively. .. !

Normally we see the favourable(or unfavourable) dba.

Regards

A.K.Sehgal--- On Thu, 10/12/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: Failed Predictions Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitpThursday, 10 December, 2009, 4:03 PM

Dear Punit,

I have failed several times,but almost every time,my failure was due to mistakes in timing of the event...After a lot of effort I had traced the errors to the simple fact that I had in every case of failure ignored the fundamental rule of timing of events...( I am refering to only horary cases now..),that if the XIth cusp falls in moveable,fixed or common sign,the sensitive point is to taken in the VIIth,IXth and the XIth house respectively. .. !

I felt so silly afterwards that I cannot put my feelings in words,because I had,with so many years of experience,begun to ignore such a very Fundmental Rule in K.P. !

And frankly, I couldn't muster enough courage to write to you about it...! !

I shall write about my mistakes in Natal Astrology... now...which were also timing,and in applying K.P. Rules... corectly...mostly wishful thinking used to contribute largely to these errors. And avoiding "wishfull thinkig" especially when you are analysing your relatives',

friends' or own chart...this "wishful thinking often clouds one's judgement... at least,I have been a victim,several times...

With the very best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

With best wishes

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comThu, 10 December, 2009 3:31:19 PM Failed Predictions