Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum ( ) and copy to kpsystemrbtAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Hussainji Pranam,thanks for your participation,Keep participating in future also...regards Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 second attempt on BTR Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbtThursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Pawan, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that : As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ? Kindly clarify please..also,I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! All this takes some time...doesn't it ? Looking forward to your reply... Yogesh Lajmi GOOD LUCK ! vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 Cc: ahahosienSent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AMRe: second attempt on BTR Hussainji Pranam,thanks for your participation,Keep participating in future also...regards Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> second attempt on BTR@gro ups.comCc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Yogeshji, Your observation about the process of cesarean births is true. One of my relatives is Dr. and she has informed this to me. Regards, Aashish , Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: > > Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that : >                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. >                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ? >                    Kindly clarify please..also,I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! >                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ? >                    Looking forward to your reply... >                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                         \         GOOD LUCK ! >               >                  > > > > > ________________________________ > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 > > Cc: ahahosien > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM > Re: second attempt on BTR > >  > Hussainji Pranam, > > thanks for your participation, > > Keep participating in future also... > > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > VGR > > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > second attempt on BTR > >@gro ups.com > >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > >Pranam All, > > > >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR. > > > >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . > > > >DOB : 25-09-2009 > >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17) > > > >Birth particulars of parents : > > > >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > > > >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > > > >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com > > > >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > > > >Guruji Bless us all > > > >Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > >VGR > > > > ________________________________ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ______________________________\ __ > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies./session-times/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Yogesh ji, There is clearly difference of opinion on what can technically be called as " correct birth time " in KP. We have seen fierce debate on this topic in the past and we do not want to get into that controversy again. For the current verification process, the recorded time is the benchmark because this is the time where majority of people will agree. The one who consistently hit close to the recorded time will give good indication that the methodology used by him/ her is good enough for BTR. Having said that, we really appreciate your opinion and sharing this with us. I would request you to send your participation before we post the result this time so that we can avoid any controversy. Like quizzes, objective here is not to test any astrologer here, but to find out the most effective Birth Time rectification technique among so many available. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: Dear Pawan, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that : As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ? Kindly clarify please..also,I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! All this takes some time...doesn't it ? Looking forward to your reply... Yogesh Lajmi GOOD LUCK ! vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 Cc: ahahosien Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AMRe: second attempt on BTR Hussainji Pranam,thanks for your participation,Keep participating in future also...regards Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> second attempt on BTR@gro ups.com Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Friends. There is NO exact TOB in the world standard astrology terminology but only rectified, AA, A, B, C etc because no body knows what is the exact TOB without a common agreement even for TOB defination. Thanks and regards, TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Yogesh ji, > > There is clearly difference of opinion on what can technically be called as > " correct birth time " in KP. We have seen fierce debate on this topic in the > past and we do not want to get into that controversy again. For the current > verification process, the recorded time is the benchmark because this is the > time where majority of people will agree. The one who consistently hit close > to the recorded time will give good indication that the methodology used by > him/ her is good enough for BTR. > > Having said that, we really appreciate your opinion and sharing this with > us. I would request you to send your participation before we post the result > this time so that we can avoid any controversy. > > Like quizzes, objective here is not to test any astrologer here, but to find > out the most effective Birth Time rectification technique among so many > available. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiwrote: > > > > > > > Dear Pawan, > > I would like to draw your attention to the fact that : > > As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the *first breath > > (cry) of a child...only.* > > * Did the child start breathing immediately after > > aCeasarian Section was performed ?* > > * *Kindly clarify please..also,I am quite surprised to > > read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement > > too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever > > I have written is as per K.P.,*and,certainly not to decry your fine effort > > *...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the *TOB was noted at the > > time of the first cry of the baby... !* > > * *Usually, *pl. correct me if I am wrong...* after a > > Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is > > severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his feet > > and *gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe*...whether > > in India or the USof A.! > > All this takes some time...doesn't it ? > > Looking forward to your reply... > > Yogesh Lajmi > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 > > *To:* > > *Cc:* ahahosien > > *Sent:* Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM > > *Subject:* Re: second attempt on BTR > > > > > > > > Hussainji Pranam, > > > > thanks for your participation, > > > > Keep participating in future also... > > > > regards > > > > Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > > VGR > > > > --- On *Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote: > > > > > > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > second attempt on BTR > > @gro ups.com > > > > Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > > Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > > Pranam All, > > > > Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR. > > > > These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 > > between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she > > suffered with lung problem, . > > > > DOB : 25-09-2009 > > TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > > POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17) > > > > Birth particulars of parents : > > > > Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > > > > Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny > > exactly known). > > > > Pls send your analysis to the forum () and > > copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com > > > > All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > > > > Guruji Bless us all > > > > Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > > VGR > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now<http://au.rd./movies/mailtagline/*http://au.movies./sessio\ n-times/>. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 /message/26419?threaded=1 & l=1 , Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: > > Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that : >                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. >                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ? >                    Kindly clarify please..also,I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! >                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ? >                    Looking forward to your reply... >                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                         \         GOOD LUCK ! >               >                  > > > > > ________________________________ > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 > > Cc: ahahosien > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM > Re: second attempt on BTR > >  > Hussainji Pranam, > > thanks for your participation, > > Keep participating in future also... > > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > VGR > > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > second attempt on BTR > >@gro ups.com > >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > >Pranam All, > > > >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR. > > > >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . > > > >DOB : 25-09-2009 > >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17) > > > >Birth particulars of parents : > > > >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > > > >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > > > >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com > > > >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > > > >Guruji Bless us all > > > >Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > >VGR > > > > ________________________________ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ______________________________\ __ > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies./session-times/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 wrote: /message/26419?threaded=1 & l=1 , Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:>> Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. >                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also,I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! >                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ________________________________> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 > > Cc: ahahosien > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR> > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . > >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ________________________________> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ________> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies./session-times/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Punit ji, This is the fact, not for debate. Thanks and regards, TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, > > Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We > have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of > views. > > I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification > process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this > important topic of best available BTR method. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > /message/26419?threaded=1 & l=1 > > > > > > <%40>, Yogesh > > Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pawan, > > >                   I would like to draw your attention > > to the fact that : > > >                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at > > the first breath (cry) of a child...only. > > >                   Did the child start breathing > > immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ? > > >                    Kindly clarify please..also,I am > > quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he > > pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you > > will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to > > decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB > > was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! > > >                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am > > wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the > > umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside > > down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him > > cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! > > >                   All this takes some time...doesn't > > it ? > > >                    Looking forward to your reply... > > >                   Yogesh Lajmi > > > > >                                                 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > >               > > >                  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@> > > > > > <%40> > > > Cc: ahahosien@ > > > > > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM > > > Re: second attempt on BTR > > > > > >  > > > Hussainji Pranam, > > > > > > thanks for your participation, > > > > > > Keep participating in future also... > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > > > > VGR > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > second attempt on BTR > > > >@gro ups.com > > > >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > > > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Pranam All, > > > > > > > >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR. > > > > > > > >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 > > between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she > > suffered with lung problem, . > > > > > > > >DOB : 25-09-2009 > > > >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > > > > > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17) > > > > > > > >Birth particulars of parents : > > > > > > > >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > > > > > > > >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny > > exactly known). > > > > > > > > > >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and > > copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com > > > > > > > >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > > > > > > > >Guruji Bless us all > > > > > > > >Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > > > > > >VGR > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: > > http://au.movies./session-times/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Tw ji, Still, it has the potential of disturbing current process of BTR methods verification. Just want to make sure that we are not losing focus on that study and seek contribution from all senior members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM, TW <tw853 wrote: Dear Punit ji,This is the fact, not for debate.Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends,> > Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We> have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of> views.> > I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification > process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this> important topic of best available BTR method.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > /message/26419?threaded=1 & l=1 > >> >> > <%40>, Yogesh > > Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pawan,> > >                   I would like to draw your attention> > to the fact that : > > >                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at> > the first breath (cry) of a child...only.> > >                   Did the child start breathing > > immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?> > >                    Kindly clarify please..also,I am> > quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he > > pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you> > will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to> > decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB > > was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... !> > >                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am> > wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the > > umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside> > down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him> > cry/breathe...whether in India or the USof A.! > > >                   All this takes some time...doesn't> > it ?> > >                    Looking forward to your reply...> > >                   Yogesh Lajmi > > >> >                                                Â> > GOOD LUCK !> > >              Â> > >                  > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@>> >> > > <%40> > > > Cc: ahahosien@> >> > > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> > > Re: second attempt on BTR> > >> > >  > > > Hussainji Pranam,> > >> > > thanks for your participation,> > >> > > Keep participating in future also...> > >> > > regards> > > > > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > >> > > VGR> > >> > > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > >> > >> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > second attempt on BTR> > > >@gro ups.com > > > >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>> > > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> > > >> > > > > > > >Â> > > >Pranam All,> > > >> > > >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> > > >> > > >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 > > between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she> > suffered with lung problem, .> > > >> > > >DOB : 25-09-2009> > > >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >> > > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> > > >> > > >Birth particulars of parents :> > > >> > > >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > > > >> > > >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny> > exactly known).> >> > > >> > > >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and > > copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > > >> > > >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,> > > >> > > >Guruji Bless us all > > > >> > > >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > > >> > > >VGR> > > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > >> > >> > >> > > ________> > > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:> > http://au.movies./session-times/ > > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dears Punit,TW and friends, I have given the definition of the correct TOB as per the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,(in 3 parts) by the late M.P. Shanmugham,edited by K.Subramaniam...and also in the very recently published book,"Rectification of Birth Time", Part IV,of Astrosecrets & K.P. Those who do not agree with this definition,and use some other method(s), not mentioned in the above book, or in any other K.P. Book,are necessarily required to give the appropriate reference(s)...or a convincing rationale atleast,if not the name of the author... Why are we trying to discredit the author of the calibre and eminence of the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham....without suggesting any sensible/feasible alternative...and why are some people doggedly pursuing this objective single-mindedly,especially when, may I submit, that they cannot even hold a candle to the late MPS... Criticising somebody or his method or writings is the easiest thing in the world,but it is a very demanding task to engage in constructive criticism...just by claiming at every opportunity, that KSK did not say so...etc, is not only a spurious argument,but it is very unfair to the serious researchers who were among his most brilliant students...who carried on researching in K.P.,even after his sad and untimely demise... It is these great pioneer researchers whom all these "modern" critics engaging only in an exercise of "fault-finding"...are criticising at every opportunity...all,in the name of "research" ? ! "Research" which is not even worth the paper on which it is written... And Punit,your taking objection,often, to even my saying the these things... gives me the feeling that you are proving that "the Truth always hurts"... and you are going out of your way to please/defend every body...to my mind,needlessly...one cannot please everybody...! ! Wishing you the very best, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 7:18:50 PMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26419?threaded= 1 & l=1 @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only.>                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... !>                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@. ..> > @gro ups.com> Cc: ahahosien@.. . > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR> > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>> >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .> >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,> >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Ashish, Thanks,for confirming through a doctor,whatever I had said regarding Births by Caesarian Section... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi, raiaashish <raiaashish Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 4:15:30 PM Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Yogeshji,Your observation about the process of cesarean births is true. One of my relatives is Dr. and she has informed this to me. Regards,Aashish@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Pawan,>                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only.>                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... !>                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn' t it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: ahahosien@.. .> Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR> > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@ . co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@ . co.in>> > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>> >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .> >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM> >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).> >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,> >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Lajmi ji & Friends, Why can't there be difference of opinion. Like many other matters e.g. ayanamsa, let us leave it up to individual. We have good material in the form of forum archive and people can decide by there own. Let us have no further posts in this topic. Instead of having arguments on this topic, I would request again to contribute to the exercise initiated by Pavan ji. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: Dears Punit,TW and friends, I have given the definition of the correct TOB as per the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,(in 3 parts) by the late M.P. Shanmugham,edited by K.Subramaniam...and also in the very recently published book, " Rectification of Birth Time " , Part IV,of Astrosecrets & K.P. Those who do not agree with this definition,and use some other method(s), not mentioned in the above book, or in any other K.P. Book,are necessarily required to give the appropriate reference(s)...or a convincing rationale atleast,if not the name of the author... Why are we trying to discredit the author of the calibre and eminence of the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham....without suggesting any sensible/feasible alternative...and why are some people doggedly pursuing this objective single-mindedly,especially when, may I submit, that they cannot even hold a candle to the late MPS... Criticising somebody or his method or writings is the easiest thing in the world,but it is a very demanding task to engage in constructive criticism...just by claiming at every opportunity, that KSK did not say so...etc, is not only a spurious argument,but it is very unfair to the serious researchers who were among his most brilliant students...who carried on researching in K.P.,even after his sad and untimely demise... It is these great pioneer researchers whom all these " modern " critics engaging only in an exercise of " fault-finding " ...are criticising at every opportunity...all,in the name of " research " ? ! " Research " which is not even worth the paper on which it is written... And Punit,your taking objection,often, to even my saying the these things... gives me the feeling that you are proving that " the Truth always hurts " ... and you are going out of your way to please/defend every body...to my mind,needlessly...one cannot please everybody...! ! Wishing you the very best, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 7:18:50 PM Re: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26419?threaded= 1 & l=1 @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. >                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! >                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@. ..> > @gro ups.com > Cc: ahahosien@.. . > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR > > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . > >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/ > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 dear friends, for rectification of birth the jaataka has to approch the astrologer.the timings at which jataka meets the astrologer is important hence ruling planets at this time willl have the impact on the ruling planets at his birth.this has been mentioned kp literature.if research is carried out on min 100 sample quantity.it will give good results.this has observed by me with many clients.in most of the cases moon starlord,rasilord,lagnastarlord orlagna rasi lord were present as ruling planets''' thanks & regardss shrikant jinral shrikantjin Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 9:42:25 PMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Lajmi ji & Friends, Why can't there be difference of opinion. Like many other matters e.g. ayanamsa, let us leave it up to individual. We have good material in the form of forum archive and people can decide by there own. Let us have no further posts in this topic. Instead of having arguments on this topic, I would request again to contribute to the exercise initiated by Pavan ji. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote: Dears Punit,TW and friends, I have given the definition of the correct TOB as per the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,(in 3 parts) by the late M.P. Shanmugham,edited by K.Subramaniam...and also in the very recently published book,"Rectification of Birth Time", Part IV,of Astrosecrets & K.P. Those who do not agree with this definition,and use some other method(s), not mentioned in the above book, or in any other K.P. Book,are necessarily required to give the appropriate reference(s) ...or a convincing rationale atleast,if not the name of the author... Why are we trying to discredit the author of the calibre and eminence of the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham....without suggesting any sensible/ feasible alternative. ..and why are some people doggedly pursuing this objective single-mindedly, especially when, may I submit, that they cannot even hold a candle to the late MPS... Criticising somebody or his method or writings is the easiest thing in the world,but it is a very demanding task to engage in constructive criticism...just by claiming at every opportunity, that KSK did not say so...etc, is not only a spurious argument,but it is very unfair to the serious researchers who were among his most brilliant students...who carried on researching in K.P.,even after his sad and untimely demise... It is these great pioneer researchers whom all these "modern" critics engaging only in an exercise of "fault-finding"...are criticising at every opportunity. ..all,in the name of "research" ? ! "Research" which is not even worth the paper on which it is written... And Punit,your taking objection,often, to even my saying the these things... gives me the feeling that you are proving that "the Truth always hurts"... and you are going out of your way to please/defend every body...to my mind,needlessly. ..one cannot please everybody... ! ! Wishing you the very best, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comFri, 11 December, 2009 7:18:50 PMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26419?threaded= 1 & l=1 @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only.>                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... !>                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@. ..> > @gro ups.com > Cc: ahahosien@.. . > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR> > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>> >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .> >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,> >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Nickyji Pranam,thanks for your participation ........Pls take part in future rounds alsoregardsPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Nicky Modi <modinicky wrote:Nicky Modi <modinickyRe: second attempt on BTR , kpsystemrbt, vgr_pavan1Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 11:40 AMHonourable VGR jiPlease find the attachment of my attempt to your second BTVR quiz.Regards--- On Wed, 12/9/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 second attempt on BTR Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbtWednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:37 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Hounourable VGR ji,Definately,i will be there as my possibilities.Thanks very much for your precious call.RegardsNicky Modi--- On Fri, 12/11/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1Re: second attempt on BTR Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:18 PM Nickyji Pranam,thanks for your participation ........Pls take part in future rounds alsoregardsPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Nicky Modi <modinicky > wrote:Nicky Modi <modinicky >Re: second attempt on BTR@gro ups.com, kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com, vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.inSaturday, 12 December, 2009, 11:40 AMHonourable VGR jiPlease find the attachment of my attempt to your second BTVR quiz.Regards--- On Wed, 12/9/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> second attempt on BTR@gro ups.comCc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:37 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Kamalji Pranam,thanks for your participation,Pls take part in future episodes alsoPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 second attempt on BTR Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbtThursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Dear Lajami, All are fine but please allow members to participate in the RBT exercise and you also participate. We will discuss at the end of these RBT exercise all our RULES, agreement & Disagreement etc. GOOD LUCK! Thanks and regards, D.Senthil --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp, "tw853" <tw853Friday, December 11, 2009, 6:54 AM Dears Punit,TW and friends, I have given the definition of the correct TOB as per the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,(in 3 parts) by the late M.P. Shanmugham,edited by K.Subramaniam...and also in the very recently published book,"Rectification of Birth Time", Part IV,of Astrosecrets & K.P. Those who do not agree with this definition,and use some other method(s), not mentioned in the above book, or in any other K.P. Book,are necessarily required to give the appropriate reference(s) ...or a convincing rationale atleast,if not the name of the author... Why are we trying to discredit the author of the calibre and eminence of the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham....without suggesting any sensible/feasible alternative. ..and why are some people doggedly pursuing this objective single-mindedly, especially when, may I submit, that they cannot even hold a candle to the late MPS... Criticising somebody or his method or writings is the easiest thing in the world,but it is a very demanding task to engage in constructive criticism...just by claiming at every opportunity, that KSK did not say so...etc, is not only a spurious argument,but it is very unfair to the serious researchers who were among his most brilliant students...who carried on researching in K.P.,even after his sad and untimely demise... It is these great pioneer researchers whom all these "modern" critics engaging only in an exercise of "fault-finding" ...are criticising at every opportunity. ..all,in the name of "research" ? ! "Research" which is not even worth the paper on which it is written... And Punit,your taking objection,often, to even my saying the these things... gives me the feeling that you are proving that "the Truth always hurts"... and you are going out of your way to please/defend every body...to my mind,needlessly. ..one cannot please everybody... ! ! Wishing you the very best, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comFri, 11 December, 2009 7:18:50 PMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26419?threaded= 1 & l=1 @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only.>                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... !>                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn' t it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@. ..> > @gro ups.com> Cc: ahahosien@.. . > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR> > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>> >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .> >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,> >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Senthil ji Pranam, thanks for your participation And pls need your`s in future alsoPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 second attempt on BTR Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbtThursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Lajmiji Pranam,thanks alot for your participation.Contribution from elders like you will enrich this project, and also gives alot of appreciation to new comers ,with respectsPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 second attempt on BTR Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbtThursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Gopalji Pranam,thanks for your participation,need your contribution in future also...regards Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 wrote:vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 second attempt on BTR Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbtThursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Dear LajmijiI am sorry, I was out of town, so couldn't reply earlier.What KP and u say is logical and should b accepted without the need for further research. The question is - ' Is the time provided by the doctors reliable'. ' I suppose the research being done is towards that endRegardsSujataYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmisujata das <sujatadash1; Viswas <astrologervishy_nair; subramanian swaminathan <yogini_2021Sat, 12 December, 2009 3:14:45 PMFw: Re: second attempt on BTRDear Sujata, A copy of my reply tp Punit Panday is endirsed... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. ----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiR Satish <rsatish1942; Adith Kasinath G.K <gkadithkasinathCc: Subhash Ektare <subhash; Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar <sunilalaka; Senthil <athi_ram; suprash.ghosh; Gurmeet Singh <hb1hbk_2100; j shrikant <shrikantjin; vishram_deshpande; VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanandSat, 12 December, 2009 3:00:10 PMFw: Re: second attempt on BTR ----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmivgr pavan <vgr_pavan1Cc: tw853 <tw853Sat, 12 December, 2009 2:41:25 PMFw: Re: second attempt on BTR Dears Pavan & TW, Am endorsing a copy of my letter to Punit Pandey,which obviously,he has refused to carry...this will give you both, an opportunity to present your view...if any...with appropriate refrences... Expecting a response from both of you... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. ----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiALL MEMBERS Cc: Punit Pandey <punitpSat, 12 December, 2009 11:31:35 AMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Punit and Members, I have only asked for the appropriate references,from the latest and recognised K.P. literature if any,to back up their view..,else, these views willclassify only as "needless speculations"... Why do you,and how can you, find fault with that ?...If you persist in this, don't you realise that,every body will be encouraged to indulge in "kite flying",defending it as "our research findings" ! We've seen this happening in the past...haven't we ? BTW,why are you all deliberately ignoring a medical fact...about when the newborn actually begins to breathe... on this earth ? Are controversies being deliberately raised/encouraged when our revered Guruji, Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji,very clearly stated that the correct TOB is when the child breathes,the first time,when he is given a smart slap... (after the umbilical chord is severed,and then being cleaned)...by the obstetrician... I would appreciate your well-reasoned reply please...not just a "putting-it-off" type of reply... This entire discussion began with my reply to vgr pawan's mail... let me remind you... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Fri, 11 December, 2009 9:42:25 PMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Lajmi ji & Friends, Why can't there be difference of opinion. Like many other matters e.g. ayanamsa, let us leave it up to individual. We have good material in the form of forum archive and people can decide by there own. Let us have no further posts in this topic. Instead of having arguments on this topic, I would request again to contribute to the exercise initiated by Pavan ji. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote: Dears Punit,TW and friends, I have given the definition of the correct TOB as per the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,(in 3 parts) by the late M.P. Shanmugham,edited by K.Subramaniam...and also in the very recently published book,"Rectification of Birth Time", Part IV,of Astrosecrets & K.P. Those who do not agree with this definition,and use some other method(s), not mentioned in the above book, or in any other K.P. Book,are necessarily required to give the appropriate reference(s) ...or a convincing rationale atleast,if not the name of the author... Why are we trying to discredit the author of the calibre and eminence of the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham....without suggesting any sensible/ feasible alternative. ..and why are some people doggedly pursuing this objective single-mindedly, especially when, may I submit, that they cannot even hold a candle to the late MPS... Criticising somebody or his method or writings is the easiest thing in the world,but it is a very demanding task to engage in constructive criticism...just by claiming at every opportunity, that KSK did not say so...etc, is not only a spurious argument,but it is very unfair to the serious researchers who were among his most brilliant students...who carried on researching in K.P.,even after his sad and untimely demise... It is these great pioneer researchers whom all these "modern" critics engaging only in an exercise of "fault-finding"...are criticising at every opportunity. ..all,in the name of "research" ? ! "Research" which is not even worth the paper on which it is written... And Punit,your taking objection,often, to even my saying the these things... gives me the feeling that you are proving that "the Truth always hurts"... and you are going out of your way to please/defend every body...to my mind,needlessly. ..one cannot please everybody... ! ! Wishing you the very best, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> @gro ups.comFri, 11 December, 2009 7:18:50 PMRe: Re: second attempt on BTR Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26419?threaded= 1 & l=1 @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Pawan, >                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that :>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only.>                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ?>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... !>                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! >                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ?>                    Looking forward to your reply...>                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                                 GOOD LUCK !>               >                  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@. ..> > @gro ups.com > Cc: ahahosien@.. . > Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM> Re: second attempt on BTR> >  > Hussainji Pranam,> > thanks for your participation,> > Keep participating in future also...> > regards > > Peace and Prosperity to All !!> > VGR> > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > second attempt on BTR> >@gro ups.com> >Cc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>> >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM> >> >> > > >Pranam All,> >> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.> >> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .> >> >DOB : 25-09-2009> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)> >> >Birth particulars of parents :> >> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.> >> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> >> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,> >> >Guruji Bless us all> >> >Peace and Prosperity to All !!> >> >VGR > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Guruji KSK's Quotations on Research My Friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth. What we want is research for truth: Open mind to investigate---- Let them (students) also carry out further research--- It is for you--- to further study and make (KP) more useful, more simple---- Post-mortem alone will correct one. Ignorant people may say, " What is the use of post-mortem? " Such people do not want to keep a record of success and failure in their attempts and try to improve all or learn improved methods. , sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: > > Dear Lajmiji > I am sorry, I was out of town, so couldn't reply earlier. > What KP and u say is logical and should b accepted without the need for further research. The question is - ' Is the time provided by the doctors reliable'. ' I suppose the research being done is towards that end > Regards > Sujata > > > > > ________________________________ > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi > sujata das <sujatadash1; Viswas <astrologervishy_nair; subramanian swaminathan <yogini_2021 > Sat, 12 December, 2009 3:14:45 PM > Fw: Re: second attempt on BTR > > > Dear Sujata, > A copy of my reply tp Punit Panday is endirsed... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi > R Satish <rsatish1942; Adith Kasinath G.K <gkadithkasinath > Cc: Subhash Ektare <subhash; Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar <sunilalaka; Senthil <athi_ram; suprash.ghosh; Gurmeet Singh <hb1hbk_2100; j shrikant <shrikantjin; vishram_deshpande; VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand > Sat, 12 December, 2009 3:00:10 PM > Fw: Re: second attempt on BTR ----- Forwarded Message ---- > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 > Cc: tw853 <tw853 > Sat, 12 December, 2009 2:41:25 PM > Fw: Re: second attempt on BTR > > > Dears Pavan & TW, > Am endorsing a copy of my letter to Punit Pandey,which obviously,he has refused to carry...this will give you both, an opportunity to present your view...if any...with appropriate refrences... > Expecting a response from both of you... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi. > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi > ALL MEMBERS > Cc: Punit Pandey <punitp > Sat, 12 December, 2009 11:31:35 AM > Re: Re: second attempt on BTR > > > Dear Punit and Members, > I have only asked for the appropriate references,from the latest and recognised K.P. literature if any,to back up their view..,else, these views willclassify only as " needless speculations " ... > Why do you,and how can you, find fault with that ?...If you persist in this, don't you realise that,every body will be encouraged to indulge in " kite flying " ,defending it as " our research findings " ! > We've seen this happening in the past...haven't we ? > BTW,why are you all deliberately ignoring a medical fact...about when the newborn actually begins to breathe... on this earth ? > Are controversies being deliberately raised/encouraged when our revered Guruji, Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji,very clearly stated that the correct TOB is when the child breathes,the first time,when he is given a smart slap... (after the umbilical chord is severed,and then being cleaned)...by the obstetrician... > I would appreciate your well-reasoned reply please...not just a " putting-it-off " type of reply... > This entire discussion began with my reply to vgr pawan's mail... let me remind you... > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi > > > ________________________________ > Punit Pandey <punitp > > Fri, 11 December, 2009 9:42:25 PM > Re: Re: second attempt on BTR > > > Dear Lajmi ji & Friends, > > Why can't there be difference of opinion. Like many other matters e.g. ayanamsa, let us leave it up to individual. We have good material in the form of forum archive and people can decide by there own. > > Let us have no further posts in this topic. > > Instead of having arguments on this topic, I would request again to contribute to the exercise initiated by Pavan ji. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote: > > Dears Punit,TW and friends, > > I have given the definition of the correct TOB as per the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,(in 3 parts) by the late M.P. Shanmugham,edited by K.Subramaniam...and also in the very recently published book, " Rectification of Birth Time " , Part IV,of Astrosecrets & K.P. > > Those who do not agree with this definition,and use some other method(s), not mentioned in the above book, or in any other K.P. Book,are necessarily required to give the appropriate reference(s) ...or a convincing rationale atleast,if not the name of the author... > > Why are we trying to discredit the author of the calibre and eminence of the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham....without suggesting any sensible/ feasible alternative. ..and why are some people doggedly pursuing this objective single-mindedly, especially when, may I submit, that they cannot even hold a candle to the late MPS... > > Criticising somebody or his method or writings is the easiest thing in the world,but it is a very demanding task to engage in constructive criticism...just by claiming at every opportunity, that KSK did not say so...etc, is not only a spurious argument,but it is very unfair to the serious researchers who were among his most brilliant students...who carried on researching in K.P.,even after his sad and untimely demise... It is these great pioneer researchers whom all these " modern " critics engaging only in an exercise of " fault-finding " ...are criticising at every opportunity. ..all,in the name of > > " research " ? ! > > " Research " which is not even worth the paper on which it is written... > > And Punit,your taking objection,often, to even my saying the these things... > >gives me the feeling that you are proving that " the Truth always hurts " ... and you are going out of your way to please/defend every body...to my mind,needlessly. ..one cannot please everybody... ! ! > > Wishing you the very best, > > Yogesh Lajmi. > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > > > > > >@gro ups.com > >Fri, 11 December, 2009 7:18:50 PM > >Re: Re: second attempt on BTR > > > > > >Dear Tw ji, Lajmi and Friends, > > > >Let us not get into the debate of what can be called correct time birth. We have this debate many times in past and know various discussed point of views. > > > >I would rather request your inputs how we can make the current verification process better. In other words, your contribution will help in closing this important topic of best available BTR method. > > > >Thanks & Regards, > > > >Punit Pandey > > > > > > > >On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM, TW <tw853 > wrote: > > > > > >>http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 26419?threaded= 1 & l=1 > >> > >> > >>@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dear Pawan, > >> > >>>                   I would like to draw your attention to the fact that : > >>>                   As per K.P., the correct TOB is at the first breath (cry) of a child...only. > >>>                   Did the child start breathing immediately after aCeasarian Section was performed ? > >>>                    Kindly clarify please..also, I am quite surprised to read TW's mail too,and the alacricity with which he pronounced his judgement > >> too...( with my apologies to Subhash,I am sure you will appreciate what ever I have written is as per K.P.,and,certainly not to decry your fine effort...) ...he has not bothered to verify whether the TOB was noted at the time of the first cry of the baby... ! > >>>                   Usually, pl. correct me if I am wrong... after a Caesarian Section is performed,the baby is cleaned the umbilical chord is severed and then the obstetrician holds the child upside down by his  feet and gives him a smart slap on his back to make him cry/breathe. ..whether in India or the USof A.! > >>>                   All this takes some time...doesn't it ? > >>> > >>                    Looking forward to your reply... > >>>                   Yogesh Lajmi > >>>                                                 GOOD LUCK ! > >>>               > >>> > >>                  > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1@ ..> > >> > >>> @gro ups.com > >> > >>> Cc: ahahosien@ . > >> > >> > >>> Fri, 11 December, 2009 6:45:37 AM > >>> Re: second attempt on BTR > >>> > >>>  > >> > >>> Hussainji Pranam, > >>> > >>> thanks for your participation, > >>> > >>> Keep participating in future also... > >>> > >>> regards > >>> > >>> Peace and Prosperity to All !! > >>> > >>> VGR > >>> > >>> --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >>> > second attempt on BTR > >>> >@gro ups.com > >>> >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > >>> >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > >>> >Pranam All, > >>> > > >>> >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR. > >>> > > >>> >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . > >>> > > >>> >DOB : 25-09-2009 > >>> >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >> > >> > >>> >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17) > >>> > > >>> >Birth particulars of parents : > >>> > > >>> >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > >>> > > >>> >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > >> > >> > >>> > > >>> >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com > >>> > > >>> >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > >>> > > >>> >Guruji Bless us all > >>> > > >>> >Peace and Prosperity to All !! > >>> > > >>> >VGR > >>> > > >>> > >>> ____________ _________ _________ __ > >>> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > >>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. / session-times/ > >>> > >> > >> > > > >________________________________ > >See what's on at the movies in your area. 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Pavan, You must have sent similar letters to all who have sent their contributions...(I've also recd one). However, without any offence,may I suggest,that this exercise reminds me of the popular Television Singing Competitions,in Hindi and Marathi and so on...where the lay public decides by their votes,who the winner is,and not , knowldgeable musicians or well-known "ustads",or famous Music directors and the like are who are the Judges... Therefore,my query to you,is who is going to decide which Birth Time is right/correct... And also,how does one guarantee that the TOB taken to be correct by the Judge/s is truly correct,as per K.P. ? ! Such a "contest" will surely be a "counter-productive", I fear... I hope, Punit Panday who does not brook any inconvenient questions,condescends to reply convincingly...this time atleast... ! ! With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi GOOD LUCK ! vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 Cc: subragops3Sent: Mon, 14 December, 2009 3:39:13 PMRe: second attempt on BTR Gopalji Pranam,thanks for your participation,need your contribution in future also...regards Peace and Prosperity to All !!VGR--- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> second attempt on BTR@gro ups.comCc: "RBT" <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com>Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM Pranam All,Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR.These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, .DOB : 25-09-2009TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AMPOB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17)Birth particulars of parents :Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E.Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known).Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.comAll members are invited to offer their valuable analysis,Guruji Bless us allPeace and Prosperity to All !!VGR The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Yogesh Lajmi ji, You really produce a smile and some laughs with your smart comments and most admirable use of the English language. Warm regards, Bhaskar. , Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: > > Dear Pavan, >                  You must have sent similar letters to all who have sent their contributions...(I've also recd one). >                   However, without any offence,may I suggest,that this exercise reminds me of the popular Television Singing Competitions,in Hindi and Marathi and so on...where the lay public decides bytheir votes,who the winner is,and not , knowldgeable musicians or well-known " ustads " ,or famous Music directors and the like are who are the  Judges... >                   Therefore,my query to you,is who is going to decide which Birth Time is right/correct... >                    And also,how does one guarantee that the TOB taken to be correct by the Judge/s is truly correct,as per K.P. ? ! >                    Such a " contest " will surely be a " counter-productive " , I fear... >                   I hope, Punit Panday who does not brook any inconvenient questions,condescends to reply convincingly...this time atleast... ! ! >                   With best wishes, >                   Yogesh Lajmi >                                         \           GOOD LUCK ! >                    > > > > > ________________________________ > vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 > > Cc: subragops3 > Mon, 14 December, 2009 3:39:13 PM > Re: second attempt on BTR > >  > > Gopalji Pranam, > > thanks for your participation, > > need your contribution in future also... > > regards >  > Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > VGR > > --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > >vgr pavan <vgr_pavan1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > second attempt on BTR > >@gro ups.com > >Cc: " RBT " <kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com> > >Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > >Pranam All, > > > >Now i am going to give another case study for our BTR. > > > >These are birth details of an unfortunte baby who expired on 26-09-2009 between 9and 10 AM in the same city where she born (this is a clue), she suffered with lung problem, . > > > >DOB : 25-09-2009 > >TOB : 08.30 AM TO 9.30 AM > >POB : ADONI , A.P. (15N 38 , 77E 17) > > > >Birth particulars of parents : > > > >Father : 27-07-1982 @ 10.30 AM, 16.14N, 80.35 E. > > > >Mother : 02-03-1983 @ 5.00-6.00 PM , 16.14N, 80.35 E. (birth time ny exactly known). > > > >Pls send your analysis to the forum () and copy to kpsystemrbt@ gmail.com > > > >All members are invited to offer their valuable analysis, > > > >Guruji Bless us all > > > >Peace and Prosperity to All !! > > > >VGR > > > > ________________________________ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > ______________________________\ __ > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies./session-times/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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