What is the correct birth time?

December 28, 2009

Dear Bhaskar,

A reprimand ?

Not at all, far from it...it was a suggestion only...

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

Bhaskar Maheswari <bhaskar_jyotish ; Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiSun, 27 December, 2009 10:05:04 PMRe: Re: What is the correct birth time?

Sirs,

I was expecting this from Your goodself. Well,

the reprimand is taken in good spirits.

My intentions were never to claim that there is only 1 method mentioned in the books. Neither do I negate any method, except pointing out the inpracticality of certain methods which are a wee bit difficult to pursue in real Life, but which look good in writing. I am also not having any intentions of pointing out any mistakes in the books.

thanks and regards,

Bhaskar. Bombay. INDIA.

--- On Sun, 27/12/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: What is the correct birth time?@gro ups.comCc: "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 9:32 PM

Dear Bhaskar,

You have not understood K.P. correctly... .

For understanding K.P priciples/rules etc., first,you should unlearn Traditional Astrology... then study K.P., books with an unbiased and uncluttered mind,and understand it properly...not with the objective of pointing out what is wrong...

Neither I, nor any book on K.P., has claimed that there is only 1 method of retification of Birth Time...if you read for example,Astrosecrets & K.P., by K.Subramaniam,especially the chapter on Rectification of Birth time..many methods are given... I suggest you study them... I also draw your attention to the latest book Astrosecrets & K.P., Part IV...where these methods are discussed with examples...and then apply them carefully and then discuss the subject with me at length...

However, a majority of K.P.. practitioners depend heavily on the Ruling Planets method...

Till then,wish you the very best,

Yogesh Lajmi..

Yogesh Lajmi.

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSun, 27 December, 2009 10:22:32 AM Re: What is the correct birth time?

Already the Astrologers are a very respected lot in society, and you will bring more respect on them with this excersise ?Now astrologers will sit in front of delivery rooms and then note the time of cry every time the expectant mother is taken to the delivery room ? Is this the state we have been brought down to,as being suggested ? Good.Then what is the point of discussion of rectification methods and such topics, if only the first cry is going to constitute the time of Birth, then who has checked our cry and the cries of rest of us ? And what is the sense of doing astrology if this is the way we are going to go about checking matters ? This means that we must do all physical checking before pronouncing whether a mother will have child or not, we must ask her to get medical reports of her having got impregnated and become pregnant ? Why? What is the astrologer for ? This means we must check for a girl who is asking whether she will

have love marriage or not- every evening go where she goes, whom she meets, how much love is there between her and the boy, before pronouncing LOve marriage to her ? Then what is the astrologer doing astrology for ?Why does a good astrologer need external help for all this ? Why cant the study be so good that one does not need all this parepharnalia to predict ? If you are told the time of the first cry, only then you will be able to predict in detail about that child? Otherwise not ? What type of astrology are we into ?And after having known the time of the first cry, do You think whatever you predict will be right ?Boss this is not astrology. An astrologer needs to speak to no one. He must be efficient enough to get the answers on his own by his power of discriminations and his Panchanga, Pen and paper. Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Punitji> > Collection of reliable birth data : we need to have connection with nursing homes / docs and have to volunteer to get the the actual time of first cry.> > As per my understanding, two planets A & B are connected if :> > a) A in star of B and B in star of A> b) A in sub of B and B in sub of A> c) A in sign of B and B in sign of A > c-1)A in sign of B and B in sign of A in navamsa> d) A conj B (3 deg 20min, 5 deg for moon.merc)> e) If A and B are not with in the specified orb, if a third planet C is inbetween and each one of A & B maintains a gap of mentioned orb with C> f) A aspect B (vedic, with specified orb)> g)B aspect A (vedic, with specified orb)> h) A aspect B (Western, Trine Sextile and semisextile

,with specified orb)> > > > Regards> > Suprakash> > > - > Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com > Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:32 PM> Re: What is the correct birth time?> > > > > Dear Suprakash ji,> > AAA is the best we have available with us. If you have any alternate and better method for verification, it is welcome. Please let us know how you want to do it?> > > > > Also, if you want to test indirect connection between Asc and Moon, please suggest how you want to define connection? Once we have this definition of connection, we can again try verifying Asc-Moon connection method with your

suggestions incorporated. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dear Punit ji> > Since the study was conducted long a go, can you please let us know the basic conditions assumed during the test.> Was the test conducted one at a time or all together? What was the genuinity of the birth time? AAA rating is not all.Have all the charts been analysed individually? Astrology is not mathematics.. What I mean to say is that, suppose a particular chart has no no connection apparently between moon star and asc sub. but in the chat, they have exchanged stars or in rapt conjunction. Was all the charts analysed in this way? > > If not, then the test has no relevance.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > >

- > Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com > Friday, December 18, 2009 10:56 AM> Re: What is the correct birth time?> > > > > Dear Suresh ji,> > Please see your post (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 30047).. I quote -> > 1. "In actual practice only method suggested by Lajmiji is practicable as well as logical."> 2. "Suggesting further research in this matter is like re-inventing the wheel."> 3. "When KP stalwarts have recommended a particular method as best suited and giving correct results, to disbelieve that and insist further research on the subject is

surprising."> > Lajmi ji recommends Asc-Moon connection method "most often" and the study found that the method doesn't work. Please see the file section and you can get the study. Stalwarts were advocating it fiercely but what study found is just opposite. The method doesn't work. That is the reason I say that we should not "blindly" follow even Stalwarts. Your opinion (point no. 3 above) is just opposite and you recommend following them "blindly" which also means following incorrect methods. > > What we are doing is not further research but merely verification of available methods. People who are marketing their methods for a long time, now fearing and resisting because it will expose those methods. It may not be in interest of those individuals but it is definitely in interest of KP.. Instead of appreciating this verification process and participating in it, I wounder why people are trying to divert attention and making

forum loose focus. This is first exercise of this scale and we all must participate in it and make it successful. At the end of this exercise, we will know which methods work and which doesn't. Finally the KP will win. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM, suresh <hattangadi_ suresh@.. .> wrote:> > > Dear Punitji,> I have not asked you to follow anything blindly.You have obviously not read full comment where I have said you can test this method for results.But again obviously my comment has touched a raw nerve.Lajmiji, s forty years experience in KP notwithstanding you seem to question value of his experience.My only point is research done in so many directions may not be conclusive.Apart from this same set of data will be interpreted differently by different people as will be evident if you have read subsequent post.

> Suresh Hattangadi>

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December 28, 2009

Dear Members,

//Mr. Senthil ji has probably not read full sentence......the first part of sentence says "This is not true in all cases, is a fact" //

//Asc sub lord should be only one i.e. Sun, Moon etc depending on star lord of the Moon. This is not true in all cases, is a fact........but possibility cannot be denied logically. //

I have studied the full text but 'Mr.subhash ektare' has put the last statement contradicting what he agreed the fact, which I have marked in red color(refer above). So now he accepted that this RULE has got no logic will not work. I thank subhash ektare for his understanding.

//Does this mean that any analysis based on actual charts is always fabricated? To suit the conclusions one wants to put forth? Then what shall be the basis of research? This is serious allegation against all researchers.//

I have not told that he has fabricated the chart. The charts what he selected is 50 and 30min Case is only 2 Numbers only. So we can fill the charts as per our wish for example i can take 30 min case 95 charts and 5min 5 charts accordingly we can show the table.When the RULE is not working what is the point in shifting the time. It is simply generating % of errors only.

//The table of Subs given by Mr Senthil ji is for a particular place. Thus so called "No Birth Zone" will naturally be for that particular place only, and not for entire world. Because during that "No Birth Zone" places will exist (on whole earth) where Asc sub will be Moon star lord. In my opinion it is impossible to calculate "No Birth Zone" for world as a whole.//

I don't understand Mr.subhash ektare is talking with sense or not? Nowhere i have told latitude, longitude, time for the table. It is the simple SUB table for the first 120 Degree Sorted SUB wise and nothing in it. For the whole world our Zodiac is fixed(nirayana system).We have 27 stars & 9 Star lords only. Suppose if you take the MOON is in SUN star as per the subject RULE then wherever the degree position not having SUN sub lord will be called as "No Birth Zone" because as per the subject Rule, never ever fix the lagana in this range. So it is simple and 100% possible.

//Point raised was for complete zodiac (360 deg) because it has mentioned Moon position in Cancer/Scorpio/Pisces...........not in "No Birth Zone". Hence it was logical to find percentage compared to 249 subs.//

Your understanding is wrong. I have put the Question "How will you fix BTR for the person born with CANCER, SCRPIO, PIECES Moon sign with JUP as STAR lord & RAH as sub"

It is not for the zodiac(360) it is for the area where "NO birth zone" is wide and if you use the Subject rule The lagna itself will change to different sign though it is not the case.Have you not seen charts having Moon & Asc in Same sign-star-sub or one 1 or 2 subs away??

//You have selected 50 charts and showing actually 30% to 86% is ERRORS ONLY(by using the RBT rule). Today I really learned from you, how to FOOL the innocents (even clever) by showing one mathematical comparison table.//

Mr. Senthil's way of looking to the fact is different than me. I see the glass half full while he sees it half empty. I am sure the members are intelligent enough to decide who is FOOLING the innocents.

When the RULE itself WRONG you are unnecessarily shifting the birth time to Birth Zone(to suit the rule) and obviously the error is 100%.

Dear senior Members please tell me still this is not clear? So many man-hours wasted but nobody comments except few.

GOOD LUCK!!

D.Senthil

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: What is the correct birth time?"Senthil" <athi_ram, Cc: punitp, lyrastro1, tw853, vgr_pavan1Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 2:38 AM

Dear Members,

//From your statement can understand that for the entire world the birth ascendant Sub lord always happen to be MOON star lord!!!!. But there is no possibility in it.//

Mr. Senthil ji has probably not read full sentence......the first part of sentence says "This is not true in all cases, is a fact"

//You can see the study of AA rated charts as mentioned by Tin win in his various E-mails. For any RULEs we can always bring and present few charts to statisfy the required % as per our wish because in INDIA itself more than 100 crore people are available and getting charts is not a big deal. Even you can always do the same RBT exercise for the all AA rated charts presented by Tin win & others kept in our files section and same % may be brought. What is the point in it???//

Does this mean that any analysis based on actual charts is always fabricated? To suit the conclusions one wants to put forth? Then what shall be the basis of research? This is serious allegation against all researchers.

The table of Subs given by Mr Senthil ji is for a particular place. Thus so called "No Birth Zone" will naturally be for that particular place only, and not for entire world. Because during that "No Birth Zone" places will exist (on whole earth) where Asc sub will be Moon star lord. In my opinion it is impossible to calculate "No Birth Zone" for world as a whole.

//what you have taken is for 360 deg 249 subs.This is a simple math calculation. Here you have to take within one No Birth Zone. If you see the Duration/time wise can understand it well.//

Point raised was for complete zodiac (360 deg) because it has mentioned Moon position in Cancer/Scorpio/Pisces...........not in "No Birth Zone". Hence it was logical to find percentage compared to 249 subs.

//You have selected 50 charts and showing actually 30% to 86% is ERRORS ONLY(by using the RBT rule). Today I really learned from you, how to FOOL the innocents (even clever) by showing one mathematical comparison table.//

Mr. Senthil's way of looking to the fact is different than me. I see the glass half full while he sees it half empty. I am sure the members are intelligent enough to decide who is FOOLING the innocents.

I also do not have time and energy to continue this subject but I felt I should let the members know my views.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Senthil <athi_ram

Cc: subhash_ektare; punitp; lyrastro1; tw853; vgr_pavan1Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 11:50:32 AMRe: Re: What is the correct birth time?

Dear Subhash Ektare,

My replies are as given below.

//I agree with you that according to BTR Rule under consideration (Mr. Shanmugam's rule and subsequently modified by Lajmi ji)), for all births on a particular Moon star day..........Asc sub lord should be only one i.e. Sun, Moon etc depending on star lord of the Moon. This is not true in all cases, is a fact........but possibility cannot be denied logically. //

From your statement can understand that for the entire world the birth ascendant Sub lord always happen to be MOON star lord!!!!. But there is no possibility in it. You can see the study of AA rated charts as mentioned by Tin win in his various E-mails. For any RULEs we can always bring and present few charts to statisfy the required % as per our wish because in INDIA itself more than 100 crore people are available and getting charts is not a big deal. Even you can always do the same RBT exercise for the all AA rated charts presented by Tin win & others kept in our files section and same % may be brought. What is the point in it???

//In the table of sub, I could not understand the calculations for Diff. in Deg and Duration columns. So cannot comment.//

Diff. in Deg = Start of Next Same Sub- End of Current Same Sub=(No Birth Zone)

Duration for No Birth Zone = Diff. in Deg X 4 Min

I have noticed the ERROR in the Diff. in deg & duration for the last SUB of each planet except KET in my previous table which i have corrected and shown in BLUE color (Refer below given new part Table).

For Example take SUN sub

(1st KET sub End) = 00:46:40

(2nd KET sub Start) = 25:53:20

Diff. in Deg = 25:53:20 - 00:46:40 =25:06:40(=No Birth Zone)

Duration = 25:06:40 * 4 min = 01:40:27 Hrs(No Birth Zone time range)

//Possibility of Ascendant appearing in one sub earlier or one sub later than the position of Moon is 3/249 (three out of 249 subs) which is equal to 1.20% only. //

what you have taken is for 360 deg 249 subs.This is a simple math calculation. Here you have to take within one No Birth Zone. If you see the Duration/time wise can understand it well.

Take any birth happened in No Birth zone(that is ascendant Sub is not Moon Star).What you are going to do in RBT? Simply shift the ascendant to Birth Zone such that the time correction is very minimum/least.

Let us take the Maximum & minimum No birth zone of each Sub lord(Kindly note that the additional row in BLUE color text is the corrected value compated to the table given earlier-Regret inconvenience caused)

(Sub wise - part Table).

Hr.No

Rasi

Sign

Star

Sub

Start

End

Diff. In Deg.

Duration (Hrs)

1

RA1

MAR

KET

00:00:00

00:46:40

25:06:40

01:40:27

68

RA4

MOO

SAT

KET

97:20:00

98:06:40

10:26:40

00:41:47

10

RA1

MAR

VEN

13:20:00

15:33:20

22:13:20

01:28:53

69

RA4

MOO

SAT

VEN

98:06:40

100:20:00

09:00:00

00:36:00

77

RA4

MOO

MER

VEN

109:20:00

111:33:20

09:13:20

00:36:53

11

RA1

MAR

VEN

SUN

15:33:20

16:13:20

10:26:40

00:41:47

19

RA1

MAR

SUN

26:40:00

27:20:00

25:20:00

01:41:20

78

RA4

MOO

MER

SUN

111:33:20

112:13:20

10:46:40

00:43:07

12

RA1

MAR

VEN

MOO

16:13:20

17:20:00

10:00:00

00:40:00

29

RA2

VEN

MOO

40:00:00

41:06:40

24:26:40

01:37:47

79

RA4

MOO

MER

MOO

112:13:20

113:20:00

10:20:00

00:41:20

13

RA1

MAR

VEN

MAR

17:20:00

18:06:40

10:20:00

00:41:20

38

RA2

VEN

MAR

53:20:00

54:06:40

25:06:40

01:40:27

80

RA4

MOO

MER

MAR

113:20:00

114:06:40

10:40:00

00:42:40

14

RA1

MAR

VEN

RAH

18:06:40

20:06:40

09:06:40

00:36:27

47

RA3

MER

RAH

66:40:00

68:40:00

22:40:00

01:30:40

81

RA4

MOO

MER

RAH

114:06:40

116:06:40

09:26:40

00:37:47

15

RA1

MAR

VEN

JUP

20:06:40

21:53:20

09:20:00

00:37:20

56

RA3

MER

JUP

80:00:00

81:46:40

23:06:40

01:32:27

82

RA4

MOO

MER

JUP

116:06:40

117:53:20

09:40:00

00:38:40

16

RA1

MAR

VEN

SAT

21:53:20

24:00:00

09:00:00

00:36:00

66

RA4

MOO

SAT

93:20:00

95:26:40

22:26:40

01:29:47

83

RA4

MOO

MER

SAT

117:53:20

120:00:00

09:20:00

00:37:20

17

RA1

MAR

VEN

MER

24:00:00

25:53:20

09:13:20

00:36:53

75

RA4

MOO

MER

106:40:00

108:33:20

22:53:20

01:31:33

The least No birth Zone is 09:00:00 Deg (00:36:00 hrs) in VEN. The highest No birth Zone is 25:20:00 Deg (01:41:20 hrs) in SUN.

Case:1(Minimum -Worst Case)

======================

Assume a birth happened when the MOON is in VEN star and ascendant is at the mid of No birth Zone ( that is 04:30:00 Deg) simply you have to shift ascendant to Birth Zone with 00:18:00 hrs (+ or - 18 minute) correction which is the least possibility.

For VEN, the error possibility is equal to 50% (18/36) the correction required is (+/- 18min)

Case:2(Maximum -Worst Case)

=======================

Assume a birth happened when the MOON is in SUN star and ascendant is at the mid of No birth Zone ( that is 12:40:00 Deg) simply you have to shift ascendant to Birth Zone with 00:50:40 hrs (+ or - 51 minute) correction which is the least possibility.

For SUN, the error possibility is equal to 50% (51/101) the correction required is (+/- 51min)

All Cases

=======

When the MOON is in particular star,Consider only the births which are happened in No birth Zone and ascendants of those births are in a range(that is at the start of No Birth Zone to mid of No birth Zone).Simple you have to shift ascendant to Birth Zone with 0 Min to half of the No birth Zone duration.

The error possibility is equal to 0% to 50%( that is 00:00:00 Deg to 12:40:00 Deg ). For which the correction required is (+/- 0 to 51min)

**************************************************************************************************

So now you can select the charts as per your wish and present it. This is what you have done in the attached file. You have selected 50 charts and Justfying 86% for +/-30 minute correction. See the part table what you have given.

Time when Asc sub=Moon Str and Asc sub-sub=Moon sub

Within 5 Min +/-

Within 10 Min +/-

Within 15 Min +/-

Within 20 Min +/-

Within 25 Min +/-

Within 30 Min +/-

Beyond 30 Min +/-

Total Cases

15

8

7

4

2

7

Within +/-30min

43 (86%)

within +/-25min

41 (82%)

within+/- 20min

37 (74%)

within +/-15min

30 (60%)

within +/- 10min

23 (46%)

Within +/- 5min

15 (30%)

Kindly note that in the above table "Beyond 30 min" column will never exceed 51min (Maximum case) so we can call it "Beyond 30 min upto 51min"

You have selected 50 charts and showing actually 30% to 86% is ERRORS ONLY(by using the RBT rule). Today I really learned from you, how to FOOL the innocents (even clever) by showing one mathematical comparison table.

I donâ€™t have any personal feelings with any of our forum members including Shri Lajmi. I am opposing the RULE only. Just because of this one RULE we canâ€™t underestimate anybody. Shri Lajmi is one of the JAMBAVAN (Senior most member age/experience wise) of this forum who has got vast knowledge in astrology and contributes lot to this forum members and I really appreciate it. His cooperation for VGRâ€™s RBT exercise is highly respected.

I donâ€™t have much energy to talk on this subject anymore and let us work together with VGR for the RBT exercise to find the way forward.

Note to VGR ========= Dear VGR can you please post the Quiz details for the members to participate. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil

--- On Sat, 12/26/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: What is the correct birth time? Cc: "Senthil" <athi_ram, punitp, "Mr. Yogesh Rao Lajmi" <lyrastro1Saturday, December 26, 2009, 4:10 AM

Dear Senthil ji,

I agree with you that according to BTR Rule under consideration (Mr. Shanmugam's rule and subsequently modified by Lajmi ji)), for all births on a particular Moon star day..........Asc sub lord should be only one i.e. Sun, Moon etc depending on star lord of the Moon. This is not true in all cases, is a fact........but possibility cannot be denied logically. May be a good subject for research.

Mr. Lajmi ji uses this BTR method within +/- 30 min from the recorded time. According to me about 86% cases can be rectified within this range complying this rule. Please see attached file. However the birth time so arrived cannot be certified as correct/accurate unless VERIFIED. For this, the verification project being done by Mr. VGR Pavan is the only way to find most acceptable method(s).

In the table of sub, I could not understand the calculations for Diff. in Deg and Duration columns. So cannot comment.

Regarding point raised in URL /message/28959 ..........

Possibility of Ascendant appearing in one sub earlier or one sub later than the position of Moon is 3/249 (three out of 249 subs) which is equal to 1.20% only. This can be treated as exception to the rule or in failure percentage of the rule. In my opinion this cannot form the basis for the rejection of the rule.

Please note that I am not canvassing this BTR method but opposing the basis for its rejection. As Mr. Punit Pandey has mentioned verification being done by Mr. VGR Pavan is only correct way to select most acceptable method(s) in my humble opinion. Please note that Mr. Lajmi ji is also co-operating and taking part in the process.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Senthil <athi_ram Cc: subhash_ektare; punitpSent: Thu, December 24, 2009 11:07:25 PMRe: Re: What is the correct birth time?

Dear Subhash Ektare,

You have put Very Good logical questions and I appreciate your findings. However let me rephrase my statements/questions as given below.

If we consider all the places within the band that is from 180W to 180E longitude & 65N to 65S latitude (ignoring the places where the people are not living most likely, example places which are coming on the Ocean/sea etc, - leave the few people who live in the boat/ship or sail etc) at any particular instant/time the entire 360 Degree Zodiac will be always occupied by the ascendants of the various places around the world. As mentioned earlier (Message ID# 29225) consider that the MOON is occupied in the SUN star and the time taken by the moon to transit the whole SUN star is approximately 29 Hours. If we assume that the MOON enters in the SUN star in a sign (where SUN star is present) on date DD-MM-YYYY HH:MM:SS Hrs GMT (DD-Day, MM-Month, YYYY-Year, HH-Hours, MM-minute, SS-Second) for discussion purpose let us assume the date 25-12-2009 00:00:00

GMT (don't see Ephemeris & ask next question there is no SUN star in this day) and if we take each and every people living places on the earth they will have transit of ascendant starting from Local mean time (LMT) corresponding to 00:00:00 hrs GMT to next day Local mean time (LMT) corresponding to 05:00:00 hrs GMT. For example, Places in INDIA which falls in 82.5Deg longitude irrespective of latitude consider the transit of ascendant from 25-12-2009 05:30:00 Hrs LMT to next day 26-12-2009 10:30:00 Hrs LMT Local mean time (LMT) Similarly we can consider for all other places also.

Now out of this 29 Hrs duration, the childbirth can happen ONLY when the ascendant is transiting in CHILDBIRTH ZONE (that is the ascendant position corresponding to sub lord is SUN) and there will not be any childbirth for the balance NO BIRTH TIME ZONE (that is the ascendant position corresponding to any other sub lord except SUN). Similarly we can consider for all other places also. Based on this if we workout the told childbirth for the 29 Hours duration approximately we will get 426560 births (at the rate of 353,015 births per day as per 2009 record given in Message ID#29164). The entire 426560 birth charts will have only SUN sub as ascendant and not even Single Chart/birth will have other than SUN sub (that is, KET, VEN, MOO, MAR, RAH, JUP, SAT & MER). Similarly for next block of succeeding 29(say) hours the entire 426560 birth charts will

have only MOO sub as ascendant and not even Single Chart/birth will have other than MOO sub (that is KET, VEN, SUN, MAR, RAH, JUP, SAT & MER) because the MOO must have moved to the next star that itâ€™s own star (MOON star).

This shows that there is a sequence of Birth should happen around the world as well as there should not be any other planets happened to be the ascendant Sub lord except the one (Moon Star lord) within the block of time (29 Hours). IS THIS POSSIBLE???? Secondly, let us look at the Table given below (Sorted in Ascending Order Sub wise for the first 120 Deg of the Zodiac)

Hr.No

Rasi

Sign

Star

Sub

Start

End

Diff. In Deg.

Duration (Hrs)

1

RA1

MAR

KET

00:00:00

00:46:40

25:06:40

01:40:27

18

RA1

MAR

VEN

KET

25:53:20

26:40:00

10:20:00

00:41:20

27

RA2

VEN

SUN

KET

37:00:00

37:46:40

11:53:20

00:47:33

35

RA2

VEN

MOO

KET

49:40:00

50:26:40

11:26:40

00:45:47

43

RA3

MER

MAR

KET

61:53:20

62:40:00

11:46:40

00:47:07

51

RA3

MER

RAH

KET

74:26:40

75:13:20

10:33:20

00:42:13

59

RA3

MER

JUP

KET

85:46:40

86:33:20

10:46:40

00:43:07

68

RA4

MOO

SAT

KET

97:20:00

98:06:40

10:26:40

00:41:47

76

RA4

MOO

MER

KET

108:33:20

109:20:00

10:40:00

00:42:40

2

RA1

MAR

KET

VEN

00:46:40

03:00:00

10:20:00

00:41:20

10

RA1

MAR

VEN

13:20:00

15:33:20

22:13:20

01:28:53

28

RA2

VEN

SUN

VEN

37:46:40

40:00:00

10:26:40

00:41:47

36

RA2

VEN

MOO

VEN

50:26:40

52:40:00

10:00:00

00:40:00

44

RA3

MER

MAR

VEN

62:40:00

64:53:20

10:20:00

00:41:20

52

RA3

MER

RAH

VEN

75:13:20

77:26:40

09:06:40

00:36:27

60

RA3

MER

JUP

VEN

86:33:20

88:46:40

09:20:00

00:37:20

69

RA4

MOO

SAT

VEN

98:06:40

100:20:00

09:00:00

00:36:00

77

RA4

MOO

MER

VEN

109:20:00

111:33:20

08:26:40

00:33:47

3

RA1

MAR

KET

SUN

03:00:00

03:40:00

11:53:20

00:47:33

11

RA1

MAR

VEN

SUN

15:33:20

16:13:20

10:26:40

00:41:47

19

RA1

MAR

SUN

26:40:00

27:20:00

25:20:00

01:41:20

37

RA2

VEN

MOO

SUN

52:40:00

53:20:00

11:33:20

00:46:13

45

RA3

MER

MAR

SUN

64:53:20

65:33:20

11:53:20

00:47:33

53

RA3

MER

RAH

SUN

77:26:40

78:06:40

10:40:00

00:42:40

61

RA3

MER

JUP

SUN

88:46:40

89:26:40

10:53:20

00:43:33

70

RA4

MOO

SAT

SUN

100:20:00

101:00:00

10:33:20

00:42:13

78

RA4

MOO

MER

SUN

111:33:20

112:13:20

07:46:40

00:31:07

4

RA1

MAR

KET

MOO

03:40:00

04:46:40

11:26:40

00:45:47

12

RA1

MAR

VEN

MOO

16:13:20

17:20:00

10:00:00

00:40:00

20

RA1

MAR

SUN

MOO

27:20:00

28:26:40

11:33:20

00:46:13

29

RA2

VEN

MOO

40:00:00

41:06:40

24:26:40

01:37:47

46

RA3

MER

MAR

MOO

65:33:20

66:40:00

11:26:40

00:45:47

54

RA3

MER

RAH

MOO

78:06:40

79:13:20

10:13:20

00:40:53

62

RA3

MER

JUP

MOO

89:26:40

90:00:00

00:00:00

63

RA4

MOO

JUP

MOO

90:00:00

90:33:20

10:26:40

00:41:47

71

RA4

MOO

SAT

MOO

101:00:00

102:06:40

10:06:40

00:40:27

79

RA4

MOO

MER

MOO

112:13:20

113:20:00

06:40:00

00:26:40

5

RA1

MAR

KET

MAR

04:46:40

05:33:20

11:46:40

00:47:07

13

RA1

MAR

VEN

MAR

17:20:00

18:06:40

10:20:00

00:41:20

21

RA1

MAR

SUN

MAR

28:26:40

29:13:20

11:53:20

00:47:33

30

RA2

VEN

MOO

MAR

41:06:40

41:53:20

11:26:40

00:45:47

38

RA2

VEN

MAR

53:20:00

54:06:40

25:06:40

01:40:27

55

RA3

MER

RAH

MAR

79:13:20

80:00:00

10:33:20

00:42:13

64

RA4

MOO

JUP

MAR

90:33:20

91:20:00

10:46:40

00:43:07

72

RA4

MOO

SAT

MAR

102:06:40

102:53:20

10:26:40

00:41:47

80

RA4

MOO

MER

MAR

113:20:00

114:06:40

05:53:20

00:23:33

6

RA1

MAR

KET

RAH

05:33:20

07:33:20

10:33:20

00:42:13

14

RA1

MAR

VEN

RAH

18:06:40

20:06:40

09:06:40

00:36:27

22

RA1

MAR

SUN

RAH

29:13:20

30:00:00

00:00:00

23

RA2

VEN

SUN

RAH

30:00:00

31:13:20

10:40:00

00:42:40

31

RA2

VEN

MOO

RAH

41:53:20

43:53:20

10:13:20

00:40:53

39

RA2

VEN

MAR

RAH

54:06:40

56:06:40

10:33:20

00:42:13

47

RA3

MER

RAH

66:40:00

68:40:00

22:40:00

01:30:40

65

RA4

MOO

JUP

RAH

91:20:00

93:20:00

09:33:20

00:38:13

73

RA4

MOO

SAT

RAH

102:53:20

104:53:20

09:13:20

00:36:53

81

RA4

MOO

MER

RAH

114:06:40

116:06:40

03:53:20

00:15:33

7

RA1

MAR

KET

JUP

07:33:20

09:20:00

10:46:40

00:43:07

15

RA1

MAR

VEN

JUP

20:06:40

21:53:20

09:20:00

00:37:20

24

RA2

VEN

SUN

JUP

31:13:20

33:00:00

10:53:20

00:43:33

32

RA2

VEN

MOO

JUP

43:53:20

45:40:00

10:26:40

00:41:47

40

RA2

VEN

MAR

JUP

56:06:40

57:53:20

10:46:40

00:43:07

48

RA3

MER

RAH

JUP

68:40:00

70:26:40

09:33:20

00:38:13

56

RA3

MER

JUP

80:00:00

81:46:40

23:06:40

01:32:27

74

RA4

MOO

SAT

JUP

104:53:20

106:40:00

09:26:40

00:37:47

82

RA4

MOO

MER

JUP

116:06:40

117:53:20

02:06:40

00:08:27

8

RA1

MAR

KET

SAT

09:20:00

11:26:40

10:26:40

00:41:47

16

RA1

MAR

VEN

SAT

21:53:20

24:00:00

09:00:00

00:36:00

25

RA2

VEN

SUN

SAT

33:00:00

35:06:40

10:33:20

00:42:13

33

RA2

VEN

MOO

SAT

45:40:00

47:46:40

10:06:40

00:40:27

41

RA2

VEN

MAR

SAT

57:53:20

60:00:00

10:26:40

00:41:47

49

RA3

MER

RAH

SAT

70:26:40

72:33:20

09:13:20

00:36:53

57

RA3

MER

JUP

SAT

81:46:40

83:53:20

09:26:40

00:37:47

66

RA4

MOO

SAT

93:20:00

95:26:40

22:26:40

01:29:47

83

RA4

MOO

MER

SAT

117:53:20

120:00:00

00:00:00

9

RA1

MAR

KET

MER

11:26:40

13:20:00

10:40:00

00:42:40

17

RA1

MAR

VEN

MER

24:00:00

25:53:20

09:13:20

00:36:53

26

RA2

VEN

SUN

MER

35:06:40

37:00:00

10:46:40

00:43:07

34

RA2

VEN

MOO

MER

47:46:40

49:40:00

10:20:00

00:41:20

42

RA3

MER

MAR

MER

60:00:00

61:53:20

10:40:00

00:42:40

50

RA3

MER

RAH

MER

72:33:20

74:26:40

09:26:40

00:37:47

58

RA3

MER

JUP

MER

83:53:20

85:46:40

09:40:00

00:38:40

67

RA4

MOO

SAT

MER

95:26:40

97:20:00

09:20:00

00:37:20

75

RA4

MOO

MER

106:40:00

108:33:20

11:26:40

00:45:47

Let us consider that the MOON is occupied in the SUN star as mentioned above with the position (say 27:20:00 SUN Star MOO-Sub). The Balance degree in the star works out to 12:40:00. So the ascendant for all the places around the world will complete one full circle that is 360 Degree at the same time the MOON might have completed 11 Degree only with balance of 1:40:00 in the same star. Whenever the ascendant of any place around the world comes closer to the MOON position within the proximity range for about 25:20:00 Degrees corresponding to 01:41:20 hrs (refer above table Hr.No 19 - maximum case) and 07:46:40 Degrees corresponding to 00:31:07 hrs (refer above table Hr.No 78 - minimum case) there should not be any birth to happen in those places except other locations where the ascendant is not closer to the MOON position within the proximity range. This

means that for any birth chart the ascendant and MOON position will never be conjoined within this 25:20:00 Degrees (Max. Case) to 07:46:40 Degrees (Min case) orb except the special case Rapt Conjunction (0 to 00:40:00 Deg) when the MOON is in the same star & Sub (say SUN Star SUN Sub). This indicates that there is always an offset in the birth time for about 00:31:07 hrs to 01:41:20 hrs except for the Special case.

This shows that there is a sequence of Birth should happen around the world whenever the ascendant of any place around the world comes closer to the MOON position within the proximity range except other places. IS THIS POSSIBLE????

For Example:

How will you fix BTR for the person born with CANCER, SCRPIO, PIECES Moon sign with JUP as STAR lord & RAH as sub whose ascendant also in the same Sign-star-sub or just one sub offset (plus+ or minus-) position? (This point was already raised in the below mentioned URL)

/message/28959

Hr.No.

Sgn:Str:Sub

Degree

56

MER:JUP:JUP