What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ? ANGST ? ?

December 17, 2009

Dear Punit,

By saying that Brihat Jataka, the book by Varaha Mihira is a very good refernce book is one promoting it commercially ? There is no limit to your perverse logic..my saying that Mr.K.Subramaniam's book on subject X is good,am I promoting Mr.Subramaniam's book ?

Can you cite another alternative book which is equally good or better ? If so what is stopping you from suggesting that book ?

Can a sillier argument be put forward.....?

The more such type of mails you send the more are you broadcasting your personal angst against K.Subramaniam...whom I consider as my elder guru-bandhu...

This latest mail is a patently living proof of your angst against KSK's sons...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

rao chitturu <csr162002 Sent: Thu, 17 December, 2009 5:43:59 AMRe: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?

Dear Shri Punit PandeyI am a silent , but regular,reader in this site, You know.Your services in the filed of astrology and in KP System areremarkable.I wish you all the best, in future, also. Pl.do not get disturbed by any comments. I , am sure, that will not happen. Still, I felt like writing this.ALL THE BESTrao chitturu--- On Wed, 16/12/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?@gro ups..comWednesday, 16 December, 2009, 8:50 PM

Dear Lajmi ji,

Blaming is always easy. I can also blame you for unnecessarily promoting commercial books. See the emails in the forum and you will lead with high margins (in comparison to anybody .. till date) in posting about commercial books that too of a single author. Promoting a free software that I developed for years of my efforts is much better than unnecessarily promoting commercial books of an author. When somebody opposes that, then he is labelled as having "angst". If somebody not ready to "blindly" following him, then it is angst. I wonder, if somebody not buying his books, then also he is having "angst" against the author? :-)

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Punit,

The site is called @, that is the most important reason...

Ater all is said and done,I must say that my initial suspicions,with no hard feelings,

of course,have been confirmed,now. ..that you have used the suffix 'K.P'., only to further your own personal interests... like your SW and the new palmtop compatible SW...

Your angst against Mr. K.Subramaniam is noticeably obvious,once again...

Now that you have agreed to conduct a study as suggested by me, I am certain this study will solve this problem to the satisfaction of everybody...once,and for all...

With your present collection of horoscopes of many people,you can certainly try to rectify their TOB's to arrive at their exact TOB by using this method of using the Ruling Planets....yourself ,in the meanwhile... and satisfy yourself... How about doing that ?

What I have said about KSK's daughter's feat of stunning people is written/reported by KSK himself...and not by anybody else,as you presume...!

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comWed, 16 December, 2009 3:23:14 PM Re: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?

Dear Lajmi ji,

With no hard feelings, I wonder, if Shri KSK's daughter was able to tell birth star correctly, why his sons and other relatives are not able to do that? Truly speaking, I do not believe them blindly. I know you have strong faith in them and I am not against that. I personally do have the same level of faith as on any other KP author - nothing more nothing less. For me they are authors of few KP books just like many other KP authors. For me all methods are of same importance whether that is from AstroSecret book or any other book. I see no reason why the methods mentioned by one author should be given more importance than other authors.

Coming to your suggestion on the exercise, I also believe that it is another way of experiment and research. Once we finish this exercise, we will also take your suggested way of experiment. Your suggestion seems good and we will definitely take it with full faith and open mind..

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Punit,

I am very much aware of these methods,but I have mentioned those which,in my many years' experience have been priven to be most accurate...btw, have you been able to acquire the excellent book... "Rectification Of Birth Time",part IV of the series ASTROSECRETS & K.P. ?

A number of different methods has been discussed,along with examples...

And the secret of how Guruji KSK's young daughter,then, was able to stun consultants who visited him,by telling them their correct Birth Star,unerringly. ..within a minute of their entering the hall... !

I strongly suggest that you please read this book,and then try out all the methods given there and settle with the one,you find most accurate and easy and simple to work with...

Many interesting experiments have been suggested by me,in the past,in these very columns,but sadly very few have carried out these experiments with an honest and open mind,and with the strong desire to get at the truth... !

I suggest that you make groups of 4 or 5 enthusiasts. ..each group to investigate one particular method as given in K.P. Books....over atleast 10 cases each,and then collate the results...and find out whether the method suggested by K.P., using K.P. Ayanamsa alone comes out as the most accurate...

Like wise the same small groups can investigate other Ayanamsas and SWs and methods...

How about giving this a thought...this way you can test different SWs, Ayanamsas etc., and arrive at a sound conclusion.. .and in what is called "a controlled and scientific study"... where, in each case all parameters are the same...except for the Exact TOB,which is THE OBJECT OF THE RESEARCH... !

Comments/suggestion s are invited ...from ALL..K.P. Followers. ..

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..com

Wed, 16 December, 2009 12:18:37 PMRe: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?

Thanks Lajmi ji for sharing these methods. In fact, methods are not just limited to these, but there are many many more available. I have made a note of some of the methods on KP learning wiki at http://logy. astrosage. com/Home/ recent-researche s#TOC-Birth- Time-Rectificati on

The objective of the current exercise is to verify available methods like these and conclude which methods are reliable and give consistent results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Members,

As per KSK, if one wants to Find out the correct birth time...

The following methods are recommended by K.P.

1. If the correct Birth time is expected/suspected to be more than plus or minus 25-30 minutes,away from the given Time Of Birth(TOB)., then the method is as folows:

a) First take the Ruling Planets at the time,when a strong urge arises...

b) Then arrange write down the Sign lord,Star-lord, Sublord and sub-sub-lord of the MOON position at that Time...

c) Now re-arrange these as : Sign-Lord,Star- lord,Sub- lord and sub-sub-lord as the degree in which the Ascendant is posited...

d) Now work out the time for this position of the Ascendant,and work out the exact Time... this will be the EXACT TOB...as per K.P. Principles.. .

2. If the expected/suspected TOB is within 25 to 30 minutes,then the method is as follows adjust the TOB such that the Star-lord and the Sub-lord appear as the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of the Asendant...

Such a TOB arrived at,will be the EXACT Time Of Birth...!

3. Yet another method is that, whenever one meets with a minor accident or gets a minor cut with a knife or blade...note the EXACT time at that moment,and work out the Lagna at that time,immediately. ..

Mysteriously, ,the sublords of the Houses IV,VIII & XII will be appearing as Lagna-lord,Lagna Starlord and Lagna Sublord...

ALL MEMBERS ARE REQUESTED TO TEST THE ABOVE,AND INFORM.

4. Any further comments should be made only after having tested this out thoroughly.. .

naturally it is expected only K.P.New Ayanamsa will be employed...( Most modern SWs have this incorporated. )

Wishing you ALL, the very best,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

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December 17, 2009

Dear Lajmi ji,

If you consider him somebody guru-bandhu, it is your choice. Nobody is stopping you. But you can not " force everyone " to believe him blindly just because you consider him your guru-bandhu.

The forum doesn't need any proof of what you keep promoting all the times. Everything is recorded in the forum. For example, if I search " excellent book " Subramaniam in forum, it gives me 133 posts almost all by you. It should be world-record for promoting any author's book my an individual :-)

I do not discount some of the mentioned methods in the book, but I give it equal importance as any other unverified method found on KP wiki at http://logy.astrosage.com/Home/recent-researches#TOC-Birth-Time-Rectification

Methods in the book or outside the book are of equal importance for me.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Dear Punit,

By saying that Brihat Jataka, the book by Varaha Mihira is a very good refernce book is one promoting it commercially ? There is no limit to your perverse logic..my saying that Mr.K.Subramaniam's book on subject X is good,am I promoting Mr.Subramaniam's book ?

Can you cite another alternative book which is equally good or better ? If so what is stopping you from suggesting that book ?

Can a sillier argument be put forward.....?

The more such type of mails you send the more are you broadcasting your personal angst against K.Subramaniam...whom I consider as my elder guru-bandhu...

This latest mail is a patently living proof of your angst against KSK's sons...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

rao chitturu <csr162002

Thu, 17 December, 2009 5:43:59 AMRe: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?

Dear Shri Punit PandeyI am a silent , but regular,reader in this site, You know.Your services in the filed of astrology and in KP System areremarkable.I wish you all the best, in future, also. Pl.do not get disturbed by any comments. I , am sure, that will not happen. Still, I felt like writing this.

ALL THE BESTrao chitturu--- On Wed, 16/12/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?@gro ups..comWednesday, 16 December, 2009, 8:50 PM

Dear Lajmi ji,

Blaming is always easy. I can also blame you for unnecessarily promoting commercial books. See the emails in the forum and you will lead with high margins (in comparison to anybody .. till date) in posting about commercial books that too of a single author. Promoting a free software that I developed for years of my efforts is much better than unnecessarily promoting commercial books of an author. When somebody opposes that, then he is labelled as having " angst " . If somebody not ready to " blindly " following him, then it is angst. I wonder, if somebody not buying his books, then also he is having " angst " against the author? :-)

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Punit,

The site is called @, that is the most important reason...

Ater all is said and done,I must say that my initial suspicions,with no hard feelings,

of course,have been confirmed,now. ..that you have used the suffix 'K.P'., only to further your own personal interests... like your SW and the new palmtop compatible SW...

Your angst against Mr. K.Subramaniam is noticeably obvious,once again...

Now that you have agreed to conduct a study as suggested by me, I am certain this study will solve this problem to the satisfaction of everybody...once,and for all...

With your present collection of horoscopes of many people,you can certainly try to rectify their TOB's to arrive at their exact TOB by using this method of using the Ruling Planets....yourself ,in the meanwhile... and satisfy yourself... How about doing that ?

What I have said about KSK's daughter's feat of stunning people is written/reported by KSK himself...and not by anybody else,as you presume...!

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

Wed, 16 December, 2009 3:23:14 PM Re: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?

Dear Lajmi ji,

With no hard feelings, I wonder, if Shri KSK's daughter was able to tell birth star correctly, why his sons and other relatives are not able to do that? Truly speaking, I do not believe them blindly. I know you have strong faith in them and I am not against that. I personally do have the same level of faith as on any other KP author - nothing more nothing less. For me they are authors of few KP books just like many other KP authors. For me all methods are of same importance whether that is from AstroSecret book or any other book. I see no reason why the methods mentioned by one author should be given more importance than other authors.

Coming to your suggestion on the exercise, I also believe that it is another way of experiment and research. Once we finish this exercise, we will also take your suggested way of experiment. Your suggestion seems good and we will definitely take it with full faith and open mind..

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Punit,

I am very much aware of these methods,but I have mentioned those which,in my many years' experience have been priven to be most accurate...btw, have you been able to acquire the excellent book... " Rectification Of Birth Time " ,part IV of the series ASTROSECRETS & K.P. ?

A number of different methods has been discussed,along with examples...

And the secret of how Guruji KSK's young daughter,then, was able to stun consultants who visited him,by telling them their correct Birth Star,unerringly. ..within a minute of their entering the hall... !

I strongly suggest that you please read this book,and then try out all the methods given there and settle with the one,you find most accurate and easy and simple to work with...

Many interesting experiments have been suggested by me,in the past,in these very columns,but sadly very few have carried out these experiments with an honest and open mind,and with the strong desire to get at the truth... !

I suggest that you make groups of 4 or 5 enthusiasts. ..each group to investigate one particular method as given in K.P. Books....over atleast 10 cases each,and then collate the results...and find out whether the method suggested by K.P., using K.P. Ayanamsa alone comes out as the most accurate...

Like wise the same small groups can investigate other Ayanamsas and SWs and methods...

How about giving this a thought...this way you can test different SWs, Ayanamsas etc., and arrive at a sound conclusion.. .and in what is called " a controlled and scientific study " ... where, in each case all parameters are the same...except for the Exact TOB,which is THE OBJECT OF THE RESEARCH... !

Comments/suggestion s are invited ...from ALL..K.P. Followers. ..

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..com

Wed, 16 December, 2009 12:18:37 PMRe: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?

Thanks Lajmi ji for sharing these methods. In fact, methods are not just limited to these, but there are many many more available. I have made a note of some of the methods on KP learning wiki at http://logy. astrosage. com/Home/ recent-researche s#TOC-Birth- Time-Rectificati on

The objective of the current exercise is to verify available methods like these and conclude which methods are reliable and give consistent results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Members,

As per KSK, if one wants to Find out the correct birth time...

The following methods are recommended by K.P.

1. If the correct Birth time is expected/suspected to be more than plus or minus 25-30 minutes,away from the given Time Of Birth(TOB)., then the method is as folows:

a) First take the Ruling Planets at the time,when a strong urge arises...

b) Then arrange write down the Sign lord,Star-lord, Sublord and sub-sub-lord of the MOON position at that Time...

c) Now re-arrange these as : Sign-Lord,Star- lord,Sub- lord and sub-sub-lord as the degree in which the Ascendant is posited...

d) Now work out the time for this position of the Ascendant,and work out the exact Time... this will be the EXACT TOB...as per K.P. Principles.. .

2. If the expected/suspected TOB is within 25 to 30 minutes,then the method is as follows adjust the TOB such that the Star-lord and the Sub-lord appear as the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of the Asendant...

Such a TOB arrived at,will be the EXACT Time Of Birth...!

3. Yet another method is that, whenever one meets with a minor accident or gets a minor cut with a knife or blade...note the EXACT time at that moment,and work out the Lagna at that time,immediately. ..

Mysteriously, ,the sublords of the Houses IV,VIII & XII will be appearing as Lagna-lord,Lagna Starlord and Lagna Sublord...

ALL MEMBERS ARE REQUESTED TO TEST THE ABOVE,AND INFORM.

4. Any further comments should be made only after having tested this out thoroughly.. .

naturally it is expected only K.P.New Ayanamsa will be employed...( Most modern SWs have this incorporated. )

Wishing you ALL, the very best,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

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December 19, 2009

dear punitji,

I want tell you that if you if anybody want to learn kp.he search for study material,you

will find that the contribution of shri .k.harihan(son of ksk)krishnamurti publications & shri.k.subramanyam

(son of ksk)krishman publiation chennai. cannot be ignored.they have published lot many books

which is the contribution of many kp senior astrologers of ksk time.so if anybody refering or

commenting will always give their reference.it donot mean that you are promoting his literature.

In maharashtra ksks discipal late shri.jyotindra hasbe was a great stalwart who contributed a great

is called as ksk of maharashtra his books are famous for kp.his discipal late.shri.suresh shahasane

has contributed a lot in kp literature .these his student have written books after ksks departure.

they waited for 20 to 25 years when they tested that system works correctly.then these books

are their lifes experiences with kp.you cannot simply ignore them.late shri. bhat from gujrat

has great contribution to kp.his books on kp are study material for learning kp.

there is shri.sunil gondhalekar four step theory. there are many more not known to me.

they have published in their own languages.so any body wants to refer them should not be

blamed that he is promoting his material.if we want to verify anything if we have to go to their

literature & experiences in kp.all kp admirers want to search for truth.

thanks & regards

shrikantjin

krishmans

publication chennai is remarkable.they are promoting kp since ksks time.they have publlished

many books .

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Thu, 17 December, 2009 8:26:35 PMRe: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ? ANGST ? ?

Dear Lajmi ji,

If you consider him somebody guru-bandhu, it is your choice. Nobody is stopping you. But you can not "force everyone" to believe him blindly just because you consider him your guru-bandhu.

The forum doesn't need any proof of what you keep promoting all the times. Everything is recorded in the forum. For example, if I search "excellent book" Subramaniam in forum, it gives me 133 posts almost all by you. It should be world-record for promoting any author's book my an individual :-)

I do not discount some of the mentioned methods in the book, but I give it equal importance as any other unverified method found on KP wiki at http://logy. astrosage. com/Home/ recent-researche s#TOC-Birth- Time-Rectificati on

Methods in the book or outside the book are of equal importance for me.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Dear Punit,

By saying that Brihat Jataka, the book by Varaha Mihira is a very good refernce book is one promoting it commercially ? There is no limit to your perverse logic..my saying that Mr.K.Subramaniam's book on subject X is good,am I promoting Mr.Subramaniam's book ?

Can you cite another alternative book which is equally good or better ? If so what is stopping you from suggesting that book ?

Can a sillier argument be put forward.....?

The more such type of mails you send the more are you broadcasting your personal angst against K.Subramaniam. ..whom I consider as my elder guru-bandhu. ..

This latest mail is a patently living proof of your angst against KSK's sons...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

rao chitturu <csr162002 >@gro ups.comThu, 17 December, 2009 5:43:59 AMRe: What is CORRECT BIRTH TIME as per K.P. ?