What is the correct birth time? All are wrong?

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Dear Friends,

All attached are wrong, as some are saying?

Thanks and regards

TW

 

 

Asc Sub = Moon Star & simultaneously Asc Sub-Sub = Moon Sub Rule

(What is this? How to be applied? by Statements and Live Charts?)

 

Statements (1-6)

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/message/17262?threaded=1

/message/20847?threaded=1 & l=1

/message/22223?threaded=1 & l=1

/message/22262?threaded=1

/message/28249?threaded=1 & l=1

 

Chart 1

/message/20694

/message/20759

CUSP Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :PLANET Sgl Stl Sbl SsL RULING PLANETS

ASC Mar Sat Moo Ven :SUN. Mer Mar Mer Mer ASC STL :Sat

2nd Jup Ket Mer Mer :MOON Sat Moo Ven Ven ASC SGL :Mar

(the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Moon & Venus, appear as the Moon's

star lord and sublord respectively)

 

Chart 2

/message/22473

/message/22482?threaded=1 & l=1

I am pleased to inform you that the exact Time of Birth works out to :

00,00,16 A.M., on 12-04-1960...(used K.P.Ayanamsa only)

Such that, the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Mars & Jupiter, appear as

the Moon's star lord and sublord respectively... !

 

Chart 3

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/message/23309?threaded=1 & l=1

Rakesh's TOB requires a small correction...

The exact Birth Time of Rakesh is 02-25-00 A.M.

Kindly cast the chart for this TOB and check...

(the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Mercury & Mercury, appear as the

Moon's star lord and sublord respectively)

 

Chart 4

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/message/27822?threaded=1 & l=1

Your EXACT Birth Time,is 04-17-00. AM. IST.,as per K.P. System,using

Krishnamurthi Ayanamsa,and the late Mr.A.R.Raichur's SW...

For this TOB,the sub-lord and the sub-sub-lord of your Ascendant,Mars and

Saturn,respectively will appear as the Moon's Star-lord and sub-lord

respectively.

 

Chart 5

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Kindly recall that as far back as on 12-10-2006,I had corrected your TOB be

EXACTLY, 10-14-30....

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I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr.

Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved

correct,except perhaps a single exception...

/message/28061?threaded=1 & l=1

The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

(the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Venus & Mercury, appear as the Moon's

star lord and sublord respectively)

 

Chart 6

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/message/27706

Kindly correct the Birth Time in the Chart,as per K.P., you will find a

different picture...as the TOB will emerge as 08-18-00. AM.

Then analyse the IInd cusp for financial position/standing...

CUSP Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :PLANET Sgl Stl Sbl SsL

ASC Ven Jup Ven Sat :SUN. Ven Moo Moo Jup

2nd Mar Mer Jup Moo :MO Jup Ven Sat Mer

(the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Venus & Saturn, appear as the Moon's

star lord and sublord respectively)

 

Chart 7

/message/28523?threaded=1 & l=1

/message/28588

Did you check whether the TOB is correct ?

I have corrected the TOB,it is 18-29-00.

CUSP Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :PLANET Sgl Stl Sbl SsL

ASC Ven Jup Ven Sat :SUN. Ven Moo Moo Jup

2nd Mar Mer Jup Moo :MOO Jup Ven Sat Mer

(the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord, Venus & Saturn, appear as the Moon's

star lord and sublord respectively)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Suprakash Ghosh " <suprakash.ghosh

wrote:

>

> Dear members,

>

> In my understanding, the rule is RP moon star = Natal Asc Sub and RP Moon

sub= Natal asc sub sub.

>

> I may be wrong.

> Lajmiji please confirm.

>

> Regards

>

> Suprakash

>

>

>

> -

> Senthil

>

> Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:17 AM

> Re: Re: What is the correct birth time?

>

>

>

> Dear Memebrs,

>

> //After all , the rule stated by Lajmiji is based on RP

...............//

>

> To be very clear, It is based on Birth Chart RP only. The RULE is

giving very simple relation between the NATAL chart data only. That is

>

> " Natal Asc Sub = Natal Moon Star & Natal Asc Sub-Sub = Natal Moon

Sub "

>

> Please refer files section Word file,

>

> Asc Sub = Moon Star & Asc Sub-Sub = Moon Sub Rule.docx

>

> & the URL given below.

>

>

>

> /message/16098?threaded=1

>

> /message/17262?threaded=1

>

> /message/20847?threaded=1 & l=1

>

> /message/22223?threaded=1 & l=1

>

> /message/28249?threaded=1 & l=1

>

>

>

> GOOD LUCK!!

>

> D.Senthil

>

>

> --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Subha <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

>

>

> Subha <suprakash.ghosh

> Re: What is the correct birth time?

>

> Monday, December 28, 2009, 8:34 AM

>

>

>

> Punit ji

>

> No , it does not mean that.The relations are just to locate the most

representative planet for star/sub lord of moon.After all , the rule stated by

Lajmiji is based on RP and RP doesn't always indicate in a streight way. Even

Rahu / Ketu may represent Moon star or sublord .

>

> Take my conditions as:

>

> A = RP moon Starlord

> B= Expected sub lord in Natal Chart

>

> If A and B have relations as per the rules mentioned by me (please

note and stress the 'AND' conditions), we should not blindly put A in place of

asc sub lord. Instead, B, a planet not appeared as moon star lord may become

strong contender for sub position as well.

>

> The same logic is for finding SS lord also.

>

> Hope I can clear your doubt.

>

> Regards

>

> Suprakash

>

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Suprakash ji,

> >

> > I do not understand how you will use point 'a' to 'h' in case of

> > ascendnat-moon connection rule?

> >

> > Does it mean that -

> >

> > Ascedant sub lord can be

> > 0) moon's star

> > a) in the star of Moon's star

> > b) in sub of Moon's star

> > c) in sign Moon's star

> > c-1)A in sign of B and B in sign of A in navamsa [this is not KP,

so

> > ignoring this]

> > d) Ascendant sub conjoins Moon's star

> > e) A third planet is in orb of ascedant sub and moon's star

> > f) ascendant sub aspects moon's star (vedic)

> > g) moon's star aspects ascedant sub (vedic)

> > f) ascendant sub aspects moon's star (vedic)

> > g) moon's star aspects ascedant sub (vedic)

> >

> > If my understanding is correct, at least in the case of

ascendant-moon rule

> > it doesn't make sense because one of the above condition will be

always

> > going to be satisfied. So many rule, makes almost any time

correct. You have

> > mentioned so many conditions.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <

> > suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punitji

> > >

> > > *Collection of reliable birth data* : we need to have connection

with

> > > nursing homes / docs and have to volunteer to get the the actual

time of

> > > first cry.

> > >

> > > *As per my understanding, two planets A & B are connected if :*

> > >

> > > a) A in star of B and B in star of A

> > > b) A in sub of B and B in sub of A

> > > c) A in sign of B and B in sign of A

> > > c-1)A in sign of B and B in sign of A in navamsa

> > > d) A conj B (3 deg 20min, 5 deg for moon.merc)

> > > e) If A and B are not with in the specified orb, if a third

planet C is

> > > inbetween and each one of A & B maintains a gap of mentioned orb

with C

> > > f) A aspect B (vedic, with specified orb)

> > > g)B aspect A (vedic, with specified orb)

> > > h) A aspect B (Western, Trine Sextile and semisextile ,with

specified

> > > orb)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Suprakash

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > *Sent:* Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:32 PM

> > > *Subject:* Re: What is the correct birth time?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Suprakash ji,

> > >

> > > AAA is the best we have available with us. If you have any

alternate and

> > > better method for verification, it is welcome. Please let us

know how you

> > > want to do it?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Also, if you want to test indirect connection between Asc and

Moon, please

> > > suggest how you want to define connection? Once we have this

definition of

> > > connection, we can again try verifying Asc-Moon connection

method with your

> > > suggestions incorporated.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Suprakash Ghosh <

> > > suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dear Punit ji

> > >>

> > >> Since the study was conducted long a go, can you please let us

know the

> > >> basic conditions assumed during the test.

> > >> Was the test conducted one at a time or all together? What was

the

> > >> genuinity of the birth time? AAA rating is not all.Have all the

charts been

> > >> analysed individually? Astrology is not mathematics. What I

mean to say is

> > >> that, suppose a particular chart has no no connection

apparently between

> > >> moon star and asc sub. but in the chat, they have exchanged

stars or in rapt

> > >> conjunction. Was all the charts analysed in this way?

> > >>

> > >> If not, then the test has no relevance.

> > >>

> > >> Regards

> > >>

> > >> Suprakash

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> -

> > >> ** Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> > >> *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 10:56 AM

> > >> *Subject:* Re: What is the correct birth time?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Dear Suresh ji,

> > >>

> > >> Please see your post (

> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 30047). I

quote -

> > >>

> > >> 1. " In actual practice only method suggested by Lajmiji is

practicable as

> > >> well as logical. "

> > >> 2. " Suggesting further research in this matter is like

re-inventing the

> > >> wheel. "

> > >> 3. " When KP stalwarts have recommended a particular method as

best suited

> > >> and giving correct results, to disbelieve that and insist

further research

> > >> on the subject is surprising. "

> > >>

> > >> *Lajmi ji recommends Asc-Moon connection method " most often "

and the

> > >> study found that the method doesn't work.* Please see the file

section

> > >> and you can get the study. Stalwarts were advocating it

fiercely but

> > >> what study found is just opposite. The method doesn't work.

*That is the

> > >> reason I say that we should not " blindly " follow even

Stalwarts.* Your

> > >> opinion (point no. 3 above) is just opposite and you recommend

following

> > >> them " blindly " which also means following incorrect methods.

> > >>

> > >> *What we are doing is not further research but merely

verification of

> > >> available methods.* People who are marketing their methods for

a long

> > >> time, now fearing and resisting because it will expose those

methods. It may

> > >> not be in interest of those individuals but it is definitely in

interest of

> > >> KP. Instead of appreciating this verification process and

participating

> > >> in it, I wounder why people are trying to divert attention and

making forum

> > >> loose focus. This is first exercise of this scale and we all

must

> > >> participate in it and make it successful. At the end of this

exercise, we

> > >> will know which methods work and which doesn't. Finally the KP

will win.

> > >>

> > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > >>

> > >> Punit Pandey

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM, suresh <hattangadi_ suresh@

..>wrote:

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Punitji,

> > >>> I have not asked you to follow anything blindly.You have

obviously not

> > >>> read full comment where I have said you can test this method

for results.But

> > >>> again obviously my comment has touched a raw nerve.Lajmiji, s

forty years

> > >>> experience in KP notwithstanding you seem to question value of

his

> > >>> experience.My only point is research done in so many

directions may not be

> > >>> conclusive.Apart from this same set of data will be

interpreted differently

> > >>> by different people as will be evident if you have read

subsequent post.

> > >>> Suresh Hattangadi

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> >

>