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When the shift in Ascendant itself is 4.5 Deg (18 Min) to 8 Deg (32 min) range then there is no question of talking ayanamsa here. Most ayanamsa differ in minute only not in Degrees.

 

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D.Senthil--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiFw: Re: What is the correct birth time? Cc: "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh, "tw853" <tw853, "Senthil" <athi_ram, "Punit" <PandayWednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:16 PM

 

 

Dear ALL,

Kindly read ALL the available K.P. books in detail and in depth...and practise what is recommended and do not quote old studies which were done with the Ayanamsa in use then,and compare thesame with the working of the same data with New K.P. Ayanamsa...

Therefore it must be made a rule that any chart given must be accompanied by the Ayanamsa used...!

Old and thoroughly discredited studies should not be allowed to be mentioned over and over again...just to make a point to new readers unaware of the past history...only to impress them...

Punit, as the Editor,you should NOT allow this at all,unless ofcourse you have an axe to grind...which I am sure you do not...atleast till now...

Also senseless comments from people who have only a smattering of knowledge of K.P.., after having read a few books..and virtually no experience at all,worth talking about,should NOT be permitted...also those who harbour a destructive objective too ...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiCc: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotishWed, 30 December, 2009 9:50:34 PMRe: Re: What is the correct birth time?

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar,

The Time of Epoch,or the exact time when the human egg is fertilised is approximately 273 days before the TOB....in most cases of normal deliveries.. .

Ms. Linda Goodman, in her excellent Book, "Love Signs", has written an article captioned

"A Time to Embrace"...in which she has said that ancient Kings were advised by their astrologers ,

shamans etc.,that the best time for the Queen to conceive was during the few hours when the Sun and Moon,are exactly at the same number of degrees apart,as they were at the Time of her birth.

It was later found by KSK and researched upon by K.P. Scholars,that the Ruling Planets

at the fertilisation (of the human egg,by the human sperm),were the very same at theTime of Birth (and also of one's death,too !)...in around over 60 % of cases...

Further research showed that at the EXACT Time Of Birth,the Ascendant sublord should the same or is in the same star of the Moon's Star-lord...(which can be extended to,depending upon the SW one is using to... Ascendant's sub lord and sub-sub-lord which should appear as the starlord and sub-lord of the Moon.)

This is the background for what is said by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham in his very illuminating book...and perhaps what Mr.Dhirendranath was trying to say....

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comTue, 29 December, 2009 10:46:39 PM Re: What is the correct birth time?

Dear Mishra ji,Logic or not, is a seperate matter, but - Where do we get this rule inmost cases ???regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra<dhirendranathmisra wrote:>> Dear D.Senthil Sir,>              Â             Â       // "Natal Asc Sub = Natal MOON Star & Natal Asc Sub-Sub = Natal MOON Sub"> Â> Can’t be considered as RULE at all. Hence whether you applyÂthe above rule for few seconds or few minutes all are WRONGONLY. When there is NO LOGIC in the RULE then there is no point inÂsaying different ayanamsas etc here to justify the RULE. It is simply aUSLESS RULE

ONLY. //> Â>              Â             Canyou once again shed some light on the above as to why we get in mostof the cases "Natal Asc Sub = Natal MOON Star & Natal Asc Sub-Sub =Natal MOON Sub" even if there is no logic.Certainly in few cases theabove condition does not apply and necessity arose to find outÂperfect rule beyond doubt.> With thanks & regards,Â> Dhirendra Nath Misra> Â>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Senthil athi_ram @gro ups.com> Tue, December 29, 2009 5:59:23 AM> Re: Re: What is the correct birth time?>>

Â> Dear Members,>> The RULE,> Â> "Natal Asc Sub = Natal MOON Star & Natal Asc Sub-Sub = Natal MOON Sub"> Â> Can’t be considered as RULE at all. Hence whether you applyÂthe above rule for few seconds or few minutes all are WRONGONLY. When there is NO LOGIC in the RULE then there is no point inÂsaying different ayanamsas etc here to justify the RULE. It is simply aUSLESS RULE ONLY.> Â> GOOD LUCK!!>>> D.Senthil>>>> --- On Mon, 12/28/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ymail.com> wrote:>>> >Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>> >Re: Re: What is the correct birth time?> >@gro ups.com> >Monday, December 28, 2009, 6:54 AM> >> >>

>Â> >Dear Sir,The above rule may be accepted as true if by shiftingrecorded birth time for few seconds(in exceptional cases up to 3minutes) only we can apply the above rule.Besides this thedifferent astrologers will have to change the recorded/rectified birthtime further for different ayanamsas.> >With thanks & regards,Â> >Dhirendra Nath Misra> >Â> >> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> >@gro ups.com> >Sun, December 27, 2009 11:49:45 AM> > Re: What is the correct birth time?> >> >Â> >Asc-Moon connection may be right or wrong way God Knows this. Buttrying to find this connection at times shifts the birth time to half anhour on either sides of

recorded time. In this case when the Querist whohas come with his horoscope, if told this possibility, then he will lookat us as if we have come out of some mad house, because he is not readyto listen that his recorded birth time can be so awfully off the mark.Especially I tried this once on a case where I did not know that thenatives father is himself an astrologer and had made perfect recordingof the birth time of this native who had come to me. Thank God before Ipronounced my verdict, he told me this fact, and I kept quiet otherwiseI would have lost face that day, had I told him that Your asc and Moonis not having any StarLord or SubLord connection so I have to shift thetime to 30 minutes ahead to make them connect.> >> >Bhaskar.> >> >@gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>wrote:> >>> >> Already the

Astrologers are a very respected lot in society, andyou will bring more respect on them with this excersise ?> >>> >> Now astrologers will sit in front of delivery rooms and then notethe time of cry every time the expectant mother is taken to the deliveryroom ? Is this the state we have been brought down to,as being suggested? Good...> >>> >> Then what is the point of discussion of rectification methods andsuch topics, if only the first cry is going to constitute the time ofBirth, then who has checked our cry and the cries of rest of us ? Andwhat is the sense of doing astrology if this is the way we are going togo about checking matters ? This means that we must do all physicalchecking before pronouncing whether a mother will have child or not, wemust ask her to get medical reports of her having got impregnated andbecome pregnant ? Why? What is the astrologer

for ? This means we mustcheck for a girl who is asking whether she will have love marriage ornot- every evening go where she goes, whom she meets, how much love isthere between her and the boy, before pronouncing LOve marriage to her ?Then what is the astrologer doing astrology for ?> >>> >> Why does a good astrologer need external help for all this ? Whycant the study be so good that one does not need all this parepharnaliato predict ?> >>> >> If you are told the time of the first cry, only then you will beable to predict in detail about that child? Otherwise not ? What type ofastrology are we into ?> >>> >> And after having known the time of the first cry, do You thinkwhatever you predict will be right ?> >>> >> Boss this is not astrology. An astrologer needs to speak to no one.He must be efficient enough to

get the answers on his own by his powerof discriminations and his Panchanga, Pen and paper.> >>> >> Bhaskar.> >>> >>> >>> >> @gro ups.com, "Suprakash Ghosh"<suprakash.ghosh@ > wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Punitji> >> >> >> > Collection of reliable birth data : we need to have connectionwith nursing homes / docs and have to volunteer to get the the actualtime of first cry.> >> >> >> > As per my understanding, two planets A & B are connected if :> >> >> >> > a) A in star of B and B in star of A> >> > b) A in sub of B and B in sub of A> >> > c) A in sign of B and B in sign of A> >> > c-1)A in sign of B and B in sign of A in navamsa> >> > d) A conj B

(3 deg 20min, 5 deg for moon.merc)> >> > e) If A and B are not with in the specified orb, if a thirdplanet C is inbetween and each one of A & B maintains a gap of mentionedorb with C> >> > f) A aspect B (vedic, with specified orb)> >> > g)B aspect A (vedic, with specified orb)> >> > h) A aspect B (Western, Trine Sextile and semisextile ,withspecified orb)> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > Suprakash> >> >> >> >> >> > -> >> > Punit Pandey> >> > @gro ups.com> >> > Sunday, December 20, 2009 3:32 PM> >> > Re: What is the correct birth time?> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Suprakash ji,> >> >> >> > AAA is the best we have available with us. If you have anyalternate and better method for verification, it is welcome. Please letus know how you want to do it?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Also, if you want to test indirect connection between Asc andMoon, please suggest how you want to define connection? Once we havethis definition of connection, we can again try verifying Asc-Moonconnection method with your suggestions incorporated.> >> >> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> >> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Suprakash Ghosh<suprakash.ghosh@ >

wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Punit ji> >> >> >> > Since the study was conducted long a go, can you please let usknow the basic conditions assumed during the test.> >> > Was the test conducted one at a time or all together? What wasthe genuinity of the birth time? AAA rating is not all.Have all thecharts been analysed individually? Astrology is not mathematics. What Imean to say is that, suppose a particular chart has no no connectionapparently between moon star and asc sub. but in the chat, they haveexchanged stars or in rapt conjunction. Was all the charts analysed inthis way?> >> >> >> > If not, then the test has no relevance.> >> >> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > Suprakash> >> >> >>

>> >> > -> >> > Punit Pandey> >> > @gro ups.com> >> > Friday, December 18, 2009 10:56 AM> >> > Re: What is the correct birth time?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Suresh ji,> >> >> >> > Please see your post (http://groups. / group//message/ 30047). I quote -> >> >> >> > 1. "In actual practice only method suggested by Lajmiji ispracticable as well as logical."> >> > 2. "Suggesting further research in this matter is likere-inventing the wheel."> >> > 3. "When KP stalwarts have recommended a particular method asbest suited and

giving correct results, to disbelieve that and insistfurther research on the subject is surprising."> >> >> >> > Lajmi ji recommends Asc-Moon connection method "most often" andthe study found that the method doesn't work. Please see the filesection and you can get the study. Stalwarts were advocating it fiercelybut what study found is just opposite. The method doesn't work. That isthe reason I say that we should not "blindly" follow even Stalwarts.Your opinion (point no... 3 above) is just opposite and you recommendfollowing them "blindly" which also means following incorrect methods.> >> >> >> > What we are doing is not further research but merely verificationof available methods. People who are marketing their methods for a longtime, now fearing and resisting because it will expose those methods. Itmay not be in interest of those individuals but it

is definitely ininterest of KP. Instead of appreciating this verification process andparticipating in it, I wounder why people are trying to divert attentionand making forum loose focus. This is first exercise of this scale andwe all must participate in it and make it successful. At the end of thisexercise, we will know which methods work and which doesn't. Finally theKP will win.> >> >> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> >> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:52 PM, suresh <hattangadi_ suresh@>wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > I have not asked you to follow anything blindly.You haveobviously not read full comment where I have said you can test thismethod for results.But again

obviously my comment has touched a rawnerve.Lajmiji, s forty years experience in KP notwithstanding you seemto question value of his experience.My only point is research done in somany directions may not be conclusive.Apart from this same set of datawill be interpreted differently by different people as will be evidentif you have read subsequent post.> >> > Suresh Hattangadi> >> >> >>> >> >> >>

 

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