Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet

January 10, 2010

Table 1: Zero Ayanamsa Year and Precession Rate of the Ayanamsas

Ayanamsa

Zero

Ayana.

Year*1

Annual

Precession

Rate

Adjustment Rate

of Precession

Rate per year

Remark

KPOA

291 AD

50.2388475 *2

Not applied

KP Reader I page 55-58

KPNA

291 *3

50.2388475sec

0.000111 sec

Formula w/o base offset

KPSTLA

291 AD

50.2388475

Not applied

Formula with base offset

LAHIRI

285 AD

50.2564 *4

0.000222 sec *5

Formula with base offset

RAMAN

397 AD

50 1/3 sec

Not applied

Formula w/o base offset

KPOA= KP Old Ayanamsa, KPNA= KP New Ayanamsa, KPSTLA= KP Straight Line Ayanamsa

*1 Assumed year of coincidence of both Sayana and Nirayana zodiacs

*2 Newcomb rate of sec per year

*3 @ 23 March, 291 A.D.

*4 so-called modern astronomical value for the year 1900

*5 Usually 0.000111 is used for 50.2388475 and 0.000222 is applied for 50.2564.

NKPA = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600

where,

B = base offset = 22+1350/3600 = 22:22:30 @ 15 Apr 1900)

T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900

P = precession rate value per year = 50.2388475 sec

A = annual precession rate adjustment= 0.000111 sec

(as given by Prof. K. Balachandran in KP & Astrology Year Book 2003)

/message/1530?threaded=1

KPSTLA = T*P/3600

where

T = Year of Birth minus 291 A.D.

P = 50.2388475sec per year

Note: T = fractional/decimal year taking days between given date and 15th April

The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa such calculated up to the required date is called KP Stright Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa in the KPAstro 3.5.

(as per MC Khare in the A & A Oct 1978 issue pp 6-8, and as explained by Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro 3.5)

LAHIRI = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600

where

B = 80890.1535 sec = 22:28:10.1535 @1 Apr 15, 1900

T = Year of Birth minus 1900

P = precession rate 50.2564 (Modern Astronomical value for the year 1900)

A = precession rate adjustment 0.000222 sec per year

(as in the UTOH referred by K. Hariharan in `Notable Persons & KP', page 138)

RAMAN = T*P/3600

where

T = Year of birth minus 397 A.D.

P = 50 1/3 sec per year

(as per Appendix A of Dr. BV Raman's Hindu Predictive Astrology, first published on February 1st 1938)

http://www.astrologie.cz/zacek/ayanamsa/ayanamsa.htm

Table 2: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

(As of 1st January in D-M-S)

Year

KPOA

KPNA

KPSTLA

LAHIRI

RAMAN

1

2

3

4

5

6

1000

09-50*

09-50-25

09-53-25

09-55-11

08-25-51

1800

20-58*

20-58-33

21-03-30

21-03-45

19-36-58

1850

21-40

21-40-24

21-45-08

21-45-36

20-18-54

1900

22-22

22-22 16

22-27-00

22-27-55

21-00-51

1950

23-04

23-04-08

23-08-52

23-09-28

21-42-48

2000

23-46

23-46-01

23-50-44

23-51-11

22-24-44

2010

23-54

23-54-23

23-59-21

24-00-04

22-33-08

3000

37-45*

37-45-33

37-48-03

37-51-26

26-23-38

* As per formula of Mr. Neville Lang (developer of Astracadabra)

and for other years from the page 58 Ayanamsa table of KP Reader I

Table 3: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in D-M-S)

Year

KPNA

minus

KPOA

STLA

minus

KPNA

Lahiri

minus

NKPA

Lahiri

minus

KPOA

Lahiri

minus

STLA

KPNA

minus

Raman

KPSTLA

minus

Raman

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

1000

0-0-25

0-3-00

0-4-46

0-5-11

0-1-46

1-24-34

1-27-34

1800

0-0-33

0-4-57

0-5-12

0-5-45

0-0-15

1-21-35

1-26-32

1850

0-0-24

0-4-44

0-5-12

0-5-36

0-0-28

1-21-30

1-26-14

1900

0-0-16

0-4-44

0-5-39

0-5-55

0-0-55

1-21-25

1-26-09

1950

0-0-08

0-4-48

0-5-20

0-5-28

0-0-36

1-21-20

1-26-04

2000

0-0-01

0-4-43

0-5-10

0-5-11

0-0-27

1-21-17

1-26-00

2010

0-0-23

0-4-58

0-5-41

0-6-04

0-1-43

1-21-15

1-26-13

3000

0-0-33

0-2-30

0-5-53

0-6-26

0-3-23

1-21-55

1-24-25

/message/30575

A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc (in File section)

A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS

REVISIT OF KPA.doc (in File section)

Revisit of KP Ayanamsa

, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> Â > Thanks for the detailed reply. Can you clarifiy the following.> Â > // 3. This is just a simple formula like the Raman ayanamsa formula in the Appendix A of his Hindu Predictive Astrology, > > Ayanamsa for X AD = (X - 397)* 50 1/3 " > http://www.astrolog ie.cz/zacek/ ayanamsa/ ayanamsa. htm > > Note: in place of 397 & 50 1/3 ", 291 & 50.2388475" (accepted by Guruji KSK) have been used.//> > This shows that the correction for the rate of change of precession (ayanamsa) is not applicable from 291AD to 1900AD is this correct?> Â > Few years backÂ I had personal talk with Late Prof.Balasundaram (KSK's Son-in-law) and he told me that our INDIAN almanac uses the 285AD as Zero Deg First point of Aries which is given in Lahari Ephemeris and coincide of reference star (i don't remember the name) at exactly about 180 Deg 03â€™ Min position seems to be correct according to him. Hence he must have used 285AD in UTOH etc. HoweverÂ he explained me that the professor Late KSK used 291AD as Zero Deg First point of Aries, which he has taken based on his predictions/studies etcÂ ONLY. > Â > He also gave me the Newcomb's Formula: 50.2564" + .000222 (year â€" 1900).> Â > GOOD LUCK!!> Â > D.Senthil> Â > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, TW tw853 wrote:> > > TW tw853 KP Stright Line Ayanamsa> > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:55 AM> > > Â > > > > Dear Senthil and Friends,> > 1. The KP straight line ayanamsa was proposed by "math wizard" M.G.G. Nayar's article "Ayanamsa and its Importance in Stellar Astrology" in the A & A 1976 July issue pp 12-13, and practically introduced by MC Khare's article "Ayanamsa-Problem? in the A & A Oct 1978 issue pp 6-8, also providing two tables to calculate the value of this ayanamsa up to the required month and date, which is called the 'KP stright line (adjusted) ayanamsa' in the KPAstro 3.5, since its first version. Dr. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro, had explained me how to calculate it in detail. > > 2. In the above articles, it's value is justified by very closeness to the ayanamsa used in the UTOH and ayanamsa recommended under Drick system, also mentioning that it is higher around 6 min than the values of ayanamsa in KP Reader I and R.E. Manu's Ready Reckoner. Because the ayanamsa used in the UTOH is Lahiri ayanamsa.> > While the controversy of the Correct Ayanamsa was going on, in the UTOH, the aynamsa adopted was really laheri's, though not so stated. Hence that 6ms diff.> -late Shri Raichur, co-author of the UTOH> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1487> > 3. This is just a simple formula like the Raman ayanamsa formula in the Appendix A of his Hindu Predictive Astrology, > > Ayanamsa for X AD = (X - 397)* 50 1/3 " > http://www.astrolog ie.cz/zacek/ ayanamsa/ ayanamsa. htm > > Note: in place of 397 & 50 1/3 ", 291 & 50.2388475" (accepted by Guruji KSK) have been used.> > 4. But it's confused whether an astrloger is using the Old KP, Lahiri or straight line ayanamsa, for instances,> > 1) For the charts in the following messages, the straight line ayanamsa for ch 1 is '23:32:45', ch 2 '23:19:29', ch 3 '23:02;56', ch 4 '23:21:03';> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2548?threaded= 1 & l=1> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2551> > 2) After having found the values of the K.P.(New) Ayanamsa in 47 charts out of 51 charts in the SP Khullar's Your True Horoscope (Birth Time Rcetification) , 2005, are only 1 to 2 second lower than the KP Straight Line (Adjusted) ayanamsa given by KPAstro 2.5 (at that time), it is known that the straight line ayanamsa, not the 'KP New ayanamsa (2003)' is used there, and that ayanamsa is very close to Lahirihi ayanamsa, not to the KP Old ayanamsa as mentioned in the introduction there.> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1530?threaded= 1 & l=1> > 5. The bottom line is not to worry about the difference between KP Old/New and Straight Line for KP analysis by using up to sub only, except in the border line cases. But for the CIL theory by going up to the sub sub and further, they would be different. The KB uses the cuspal sub interlinks but it needs to go further up to sub sub in some cases.> > Thanks and regards,> TW > > @gro ups.com, Senthil athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > > > Dear TinWin,> > Ã‚Â > > ThanksÃ‚Â for the details. I can understand from the reference that the orginator of the "KP straight line( adjusted)" ayanamsa is by Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro Software.The simple table given belowÃ‚Â gives the variation in Sub level (sub1) Ã‚Â to sub-sub-sub- sub(Sub4) level > > Ã‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > STAR> > SUB1> > SUB2> > SUB3> > SUB4> > > > KET> > 0:46:40> > 0:02:43> > 0:00:10> > 0:00:01> > > > VEN> > 2:13:20> > 0:22:13> > 0:03:42> > 0:00:37> > > > SUN> > 0:40:00> > 0:02:00> > 0:00:06> > 0:00:0.3> > > > MOO> > 1:06:40> > 0:05:33> > 0:00:28> > 0:00:02> > > > MAR> > 0:46:40> > 0:02:43> > 0:00:10> > 0:00:01> > > > RAH> > 2:00:00> > 0:18:00> > 0:02:42> > 0:00:24> > > > JUP> > 1:46:40> > 0:14:13> > 0:01:54> > 0:00:15> > > > SAT> > 2:06:40> > 0:20:03> > 0:03:11> > 0:00:30> > > > MER> > 1:53:20> > 0:16:03> > 0:02:16> > 0:00:19> > Ã‚Â > > If we consider Sub3 level for SUN(Minimum case-RED text) it covers 6"(six second) similarly for VEN(Maximum case-BLUE Text) it covers 3.7'(3.7 minute). IncaseÃ‚Â Sub4Ã‚Â level for SUN covers only 0.3"(0.3 second- almost Zero). SoÃ‚Â a small error in Planet position (say >6") will change the SUN sub3 level. When we implement different ayanamsa, small variation in latitude/longitude, Geocetric latitude,obliquity etc you can imagine the range of changes in Sub3 level etc.> > Ã‚Â > > When we go for finite division hopeÃ‚Â GOD ONLY can help the astrologer to give correct prediction eventhough someÃ‚Â minor error is possiable in calculations.> > Ã‚Â > > GOOD LUCK!!> > Ã‚Â > > D.Senthil > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > TW tw853@> > Fw: Re: Re: CIL Theory> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 6:07 AM> > > > > > Ã‚Â > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > 1. The originator of the straight line Ayanamsa is KP astrologers as shown in the File section under:> > A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc > > A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS> > REVISIT OF KPA.doc > > Revisit of KP Ayamansa > > 2. The sub sub can be different by using the KPNA and the stright line Ayanamsa, depending on cases, as Sun sub sub in Su-Su-Su (star, sub, sub sub) will change after 00:02:00:00, ....Ve sub sub in Ve-Ve-Ve after 00:22:13:20.> > Regards,> > TW > > > > @gro ups.com, rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/1/10, rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...>> > > Re: Re: CIL Theory> > > "Senthil" <athi_ram@ .>> > > Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 10:21 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Senthil,> > > I am not worried about the originator of ayanamsa.> > > In Mr.Rangarajan' s software I got the options of ayanamsas and I tried the horoscopes and this ayanamsa suits me for my good predictions. That is all.> > > Moreover I do not know the indepth calculations of moon's position etc.My opinion is the rule we follow should give correct predictions in all horoscopes we predict and the rule we follow should give same predictions to each and every one. > > > If you prove the same withminimum 50 charts I am ready to follow you.The main object is the astrology should not become a comedy thing as cine ma and TV projects.> > > I appreciate you for all the mails you have given reg BTR . Though we could not finaliseÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > a rule atleast we should not follow a rule which do not suit for correct predictions.> > > Thanking you,> > > Mrs.Rajalakshmi> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/1/10, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Senthil <athi_ram@ .>> > > Re: Re: CIL Theory> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: rajamma_Astro@ ...> > > Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 8:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajalakshmee,> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > Please clarify the Following: > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > 1) Who is the inventor/originator ofÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â "KP straight line( adjusted)" Ayanamsa? > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > 2) Considering some small error in MOON postion,Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â how far the MOON sub sub sub level will be correct?> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > D.Senthil> > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/2/10, rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...>> > > Re: Re: CIL Theory> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:54 AM> > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members,> > > I am new to this forum and have been watching the msgs reg BTR and CIL.> > > I have been practising this CIL theory with the help of BTR.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I follow as under.> > > I use Mr.Rangarajan' s software 3.5.and the ayanamsa I follow is KP straightline( adjusted)> > > which all can use.> > > About BTR> > > ------------ -----> > > I use RP's ruling planets:> > > Lagna - sign lord - starlord - sub lord - sub sub lord> > > MoonÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â star lord -sub lord - sub sub lord - sub sub sub lord> > > > > > Birth Time ruling planets:> > > > > > Lagna - sign lord - starlord - sub lord - sub sub lord> > > Moon -Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â star lord - sub lord - sub sub lord - sub sub sub lord> > > > > > The general principle is RP's moon position should signify Birth time lagna and RP's lagna should signify BT moon.> > > To my experience I give more importance to RP's moon and BT Lagna and simultaneously check whether one or two planets signify in matching the RP lagna and BT moon.> > > First I look into RP's moon's sub sub lord and sub sub sub lord. > > > Then match the BT lagna 's sub sub lord and sub sub sub lord to it.> > > I give below the experienced chart of twins with BTR and CIL theory.> > > TWINS CHART:> > > ------------ --------- -> > > Ist child:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > Date of birth:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 16.09.2007> > > Time of birth:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11.25 a.m.> > > Place:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â chennai India> > > > > > IInd child> > > Date of birth:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 16.9.2007> > > Time of birth:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â 11.26 a.m.> > > Place:Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â chennai, India> > > > > > The first child had health problem when born and died on 19.9.2007.> > > The IInd child is OK till now.(having contact with the client till now)> > > The births by c.section only and not normal birth.> > > My RP for both charts was 26.09.2007 12.37 p.m. chennai> > > I give below the positions :RP's:> > > Lagna (11.33.33") - jupiter-kethu- mercury-mercury> > > Moon( 01.33.24 ) - jupiter-raghu- raghu-venus> > > BT 11.25.a.m.> > > ------------ -------> > > Lagna( 16.09.02") Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â mars-sat-jupiter- moon> > > Moon (21.00.47")Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Jupiter-jup- venus-ragu> > > BT11.26 a.m.> > > ------------ ------> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Lagna (16.22.37")Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â mars-sat-jupiter- mars> > > Moon(21.00.47" )Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Jupiter-jup- venus-ragu> > > > > > From the known news the Ist child died. So the lagna should signify it and also other 12 bhavas to some extent.> > > I predicted the time for the first child was 11.24.30.> > > I brought the RP moon's sub sub sub lord to Lagna sublord i.e. Venus.> > > now it became mars - sat - jupiter - venus.> > > > > > for another child I brought Ragu because ragu came twice. > > > I predicted the time 11.26.15 a.m. > > > For Ist child the lagna signifies the bhavas as under.> > > Lagna sub lord Jupiter (1,9)Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â in the star of Mercury (2,7,8,12)> > > Most of bhavas signifies 8th & 8,12 in this chart for longivity.> > > Child born in Jupiter dasa, jupiter bukthi and venus anthra. The lagna sublord is jupiter and it worked on lagna vry well. Lagna's sub sub lord is venus . So the fate worked in jupiter dasa bukthi and venus anthra. > > > On 19.9.2007 the transit also supported for the death of this child.> > > > > > For IInd child> > > ------------ --------- -> > > Lagna signifies jupiter (1,9,12) in the star of mercury(4) and in the sub of mercury(4)> > > All bhavas including 8th bhava signifies good longivity for this child.> > > > > > NOTE:> > > ------------> > > For BTR:> > > > > > > > > Pl do not conclude with one or two charts. Minimum of 50 charts should match the rules.> > > I use BTRÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â for correction by asking the client some events or incidents which I predict.> > > If I am confused I pray the God and ask the client a number within 9 and match the planets. If we are sincere God help us in this way also(if 4 means ragu as moon's sslord.)> > > Please do not stick to one rule .Our aim should be that the rule we follow should give the correct predictions.> > > If our beloved KSK is alive he would have definitely improved the BTR rules according to the world population. Still you can pray your Guru and his blessings are always with us. > > > This is humble request.> > > > > > REG CIL Theory> > > ------------ --------- ---> > > This theory is easy and works well. If the forum needs I will give more example horoscopes which I have predicted.> > > Conclusion:> > > ------------ ------> > > I have given my experience and it is upto the members whether they apply my rules or not.> > > Thanking you, > > > Mrs.Rajalakshmi> > > > > > > > > Next BT > > > ,> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Rohit ajlaxmi > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Rohit ajlaxmi >> > > Re: CIL Theory> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, 1 January, 2010, 10:12 PM> > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â > > > > > > It will be highly appriciated the if some one can help in reaching to the conclusion by this practice.> > > i have purchased the books by Mr.khullar.> > > > > > Thanks.> > > Regards.> > > > > > Rohit.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Anurodh Kumar <kanurodh@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gautam,> > > > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks thoery is in KP system not out of it. Yes, I do practice> > > > it and have found it a key to land on the conclusion. It gives interwoven> > > > connections of different houses and answers for deep questions.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Anurodh> > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, kumar gautam <swami_gautam@ ...>wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > > is anybody practicing cuspal interlinks theory, i want to know how far is> > > > > it accurate when compared with kp system.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Anurodh> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >>

January 12, 2010

Dear TinWin,

Thanks for the detailed information. At this moment i want to concentrate on NKPA only.Hence let me ask some queries about that which you may clarify.

============================QUOTE=========================

NKPA = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600

where,

B = base offset = 22+1350/3600 = 22:22:30 @ 15 Apr 1900)

T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900

P = precession rate value per year = 50.2388475 sec

A = annual precession rate adjustment= 0.000111 sec

(as given by Prof. K. Balachandran in KP & Astrology Year Book 2003)

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1530?threaded= 1

==========================UNQUOTE=========================

1) How he (Prof. K. Balachandran) arrived the annual precession rate adjustment (A) is equal to 0.000111 sec?

2) When I workout from 291 AD(Forward direction with BASE = Zero) assuming that the precession rate value per year(P) is equal to 50.2388475 sec (on 291 AD) and adjusting for every year with the annual precession rate adjustment(A) is equal to 0.000111 sec added cumulatively for every year to get ayanamsa for year 1000,1800 found to be 9:53:56(9:50:25) & 20:58:33 (21:40:24) respectively. The value in bracket is as given in your Table-2 column-3 shown below. I don't understand why this high difference?

Similarly when I work backward using the above formula the results are coming very closer (say same). I think the above formula may be based on curve fitting & whereas I have calculated manually by cumulative addition.

Can you through some light on the above.

GOOD LUCK!!

D.Senthil

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853 wrote:

TW <tw853 Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 12:49 PM

Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet

Table 1: Zero Ayanamsa Year and Precession Rate of the Ayanamsas

Ayanamsa

Zero

Ayana.

Year*1

Annual

Precession

Rate

Adjustment Rate

of Precession

Rate per year

Remark

KPOA

291 AD

50.2388475 *2

Not applied

KP Reader I page 55-58

KPNA

291 *3

50.2388475sec

0.000111 sec

Formula w/o base offset

KPSTLA

291 AD

50.2388475

Not applied

Formula with base offset

LAHIRI

285 AD

50.2564 *4

0.000222 sec *5

Formula with base offset

RAMAN

397 AD

50 1/3 sec

Not applied

Formula w/o base offset

KPOA= KP Old Ayanamsa, KPNA= KP New Ayanamsa, KPSTLA= KP Straight Line Ayanamsa

*1 Assumed year of coincidence of both Sayana and Nirayana zodiacs

*2 Newcomb rate of sec per year

*3 @ 23 March, 291 A.D.

*4 so-called modern astronomical value for the year 1900

*5 Usually 0.000111 is used for 50.2388475 and 0.000222 is applied for 50.2564.

NKPA = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600

where,

B = base offset = 22+1350/3600 = 22:22:30 @ 15 Apr 1900)

T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900

P = precession rate value per year = 50.2388475 sec

A = annual precession rate adjustment= 0.000111 sec

(as given by Prof. K. Balachandran in KP & Astrology Year Book 2003)

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1530?threaded= 1

KPSTLA = T*P/3600

where

T = Year of Birth minus 291 A.D.

P = 50.2388475sec per year

Note: T = fractional/decimal year taking days between given date and 15th April

The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa such calculated up to the required date is called KP Stright Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa in the KPAstro 3.5.

(as per MC Khare in the A & A Oct 1978 issue pp 6-8, and as explained by Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro 3.5)

LAHIRI = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600

where

B = 80890.1535 sec = 22:28:10.1535 @1 Apr 15, 1900

T = Year of Birth minus 1900

P = precession rate 50.2564 (Modern Astronomical value for the year 1900)

A = precession rate adjustment 0.000222 sec per year

(as in the UTOH referred by K. Hariharan in `Notable Persons & KP', page 138)

RAMAN = T*P/3600

where

T = Year of birth minus 397 A.D.

P = 50 1/3 sec per year

(as per Appendix A of Dr. BV Raman's Hindu Predictive Astrology, first published on February 1st 1938)

http://www.astrolog ie.cz/zacek/ ayanamsa/ ayanamsa. htm

Table 2: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

(As of 1st January in D-M-S)

Year

KPOA

KPNA

KPSTLA

LAHIRI

RAMAN

1

2

3

4

5

6

1000

09-50*

09-50-25

09-53-25

09-55-11

08-25-51

1800

20-58*

20-58-33

21-03-30

21-03-45

19-36-58

1850

21-40

21-40-24

21-45-08

21-45-36

20-18-54

1900

22-22

22-22 16

22-27-00

22-27-55

21-00-51

1950

23-04

23-04-08

23-08-52

23-09-28

21-42-48

2000

23-46

23-46-01

23-50-44

23-51-11

22-24-44

2010

23-54

23-54-23

23-59-21

24-00-04

22-33-08

3000

37-45*

37-45-33

37-48-03

37-51-26

26-23-38

* As per formula of Mr. Neville Lang (developer of Astracadabra)

and for other years from the page 58 Ayanamsa table of KP Reader I

Table 3: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in D-M-S)

Year

KPNA

minus

KPOA

STLA

minus

KPNA

Lahiri

minus

NKPA

Lahiri

minus

KPOA

Lahiri

minus

STLA

KPNA

minus

Raman

KPSTLA

minus

Raman

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

1000

0-0-25

0-3-00

0-4-46

0-5-11

0-1-46

1-24-34

1-27-34

1800

0-0-33

0-4-57

0-5-12

0-5-45

0-0-15

1-21-35

1-26-32

1850

0-0-24

0-4-44

0-5-12

0-5-36

0-0-28

1-21-30

1-26-14

1900

0-0-16

0-4-44

0-5-39

0-5-55

0-0-55

1-21-25

1-26-09

1950

0-0-08

0-4-48

0-5-20

0-5-28

0-0-36

1-21-20

1-26-04

2000

0-0-01

0-4-43

0-5-10

0-5-11

0-0-27

1-21-17

1-26-00

2010

0-0-23

0-4-58

0-5-41

0-6-04

0-1-43

1-21-15

1-26-13

3000

0-0-33

0-2-30

0-5-53

0-6-26

0-3-23

1-21-55

1-24-25

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 30575

A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc (in File section)

A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS

REVISIT OF KPA.doc (in File section)

Revisit of KP Ayanamsa

@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> Ã‚ > Thanks for the detailed reply. Can you clarifiy the following.> Ã‚ > // 3. This is just a simple formula like the Raman ayanamsa formula in the Appendix A of his Hindu Predictive Astrology, > > Ayanamsa for X AD = (X - 397)* 50 1/3 " > http://www.astrolog ie.cz/zacek/ ayanamsa/ ayanamsa. htm > > Note: in place of 397 & 50 1/3 ", 291 & 50.2388475" (accepted by Guruji KSK) have been used.//> > This shows that the correction for the rate of change of precession (ayanamsa) is not applicable from 291AD to 1900AD is this correct?> Ã‚ > Few years backÃ‚ I had personal talk with Late Prof.Balasundaram (KSK's Son-in-law) and he told me that our INDIAN almanac uses the 285AD as Zero Deg First point of Aries which is given in Lahari

Ephemeris and coincide of reference star (i don't remember the name) at exactly about 180 Deg 03Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ Min position seems to be correct according to him. Hence he must have used 285AD in UTOH etc. HoweverÃ‚ he explained me that the professor Late KSK used 291AD as Zero Deg First point of Aries, which he has taken based on his predictions/ studies etcÃ‚ ONLY. > Ã‚ > He also gave me the Newcomb's Formula: 50.2564" + .000222 (year Ã¢â‚¬" 1900).> Ã‚ > GOOD LUCK!!> Ã‚ > D.Senthil> Ã‚ > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, TW tw853 wrote:> > > TW tw853 KP Stright Line Ayanamsa> @gro ups.com> Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:55 AM> > > Ã‚ > > > > Dear Senthil and Friends,> > 1. The KP straight line ayanamsa was

proposed by "math wizard" M.G.G. Nayar's article "Ayanamsa and its Importance in Stellar Astrology" in the A & A 1976 July issue pp 12-13, and practically introduced by MC Khare's article "Ayanamsa-Problem? in the A & A Oct 1978 issue pp 6-8, also providing two tables to calculate the value of this ayanamsa up to the required month and date, which is called the 'KP stright line (adjusted) ayanamsa' in the KPAstro 3.5, since its first version. Dr. Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro, had explained me how to calculate it in detail. > > 2. In the above articles, it's value is justified by very closeness to the ayanamsa used in the UTOH and ayanamsa recommended under Drick system, also mentioning that it is higher around 6 min than the values of ayanamsa in KP Reader I and R.E. Manu's Ready Reckoner. Because the ayanamsa used in the UTOH is Lahiri ayanamsa.> > While the controversy of the Correct Ayanamsa was

going on, in the UTOH, the aynamsa adopted was really laheri's, though not so stated. Hence that 6ms diff.> -late Shri Raichur, co-author of the UTOH> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1487> > 3. This is just a simple formula like the Raman ayanamsa formula in the Appendix A of his Hindu Predictive Astrology, > > Ayanamsa for X AD = (X - 397)* 50 1/3 " > http://www.astrolog ie.cz/zacek/ ayanamsa/ ayanamsa. htm > > Note: in place of 397 & 50 1/3 ", 291 & 50.2388475" (accepted by Guruji KSK) have been used.> > 4. But it's confused whether an astrloger is using the Old KP, Lahiri or straight line ayanamsa, for instances,> > 1) For the charts in the following messages, the straight line ayanamsa for ch 1 is '23:32:45', ch 2 '23:19:29', ch 3 '23:02;56', ch 4 '23:21:03';> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

2548?threaded= 1 & l=1> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 2551> > 2) After having found the values of the K.P.(New) Ayanamsa in 47 charts out of 51 charts in the SP Khullar's Your True Horoscope (Birth Time Rcetification) , 2005, are only 1 to 2 second lower than the KP Straight Line (Adjusted) ayanamsa given by KPAstro 2.5 (at that time), it is known that the straight line ayanamsa, not the 'KP New ayanamsa (2003)' is used there, and that ayanamsa is very close to Lahirihi ayanamsa, not to the KP Old ayanamsa as mentioned in the introduction there.> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1530?threaded= 1 & l=1> > 5. The bottom line is not to worry about the difference between KP Old/New and Straight Line for KP analysis by using up to sub only, except in the border line cases. But for the CIL theory by going up to the sub sub and further, they would be different. The KB uses

the cuspal sub interlinks but it needs to go further up to sub sub in some cases.> > Thanks and regards,> TW > > @gro ups.com, Senthil athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > > > Dear TinWin,> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > ThanksÃƒâ€šÃ‚ for the details. I can understand from the reference that the orginator of the "KP straight line( adjusted)" ayanamsa is by Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro Software.The simple table given belowÃƒâ€šÃ‚ gives the variation in Sub level (sub1) Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ to sub-sub-sub- sub(Sub4) level > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > STAR> > SUB1> > SUB2> > SUB3> > SUB4> > > > KET> > 0:46:40> > 0:02:43> > 0:00:10> > 0:00:01> >

> > VEN> > 2:13:20> > 0:22:13> > 0:03:42> > 0:00:37> > > > SUN> > 0:40:00> > 0:02:00> > 0:00:06> > 0:00:0.3> > > > MOO> > 1:06:40> > 0:05:33> > 0:00:28> > 0:00:02> > > > MAR> > 0:46:40> > 0:02:43> > 0:00:10> > 0:00:01> > > > RAH> > 2:00:00> > 0:18:00> > 0:02:42> > 0:00:24> > > > JUP> > 1:46:40> > 0:14:13> > 0:01:54> > 0:00:15> > > > SAT> > 2:06:40> > 0:20:03> > 0:03:11> > 0:00:30> > > > MER> > 1:53:20> > 0:16:03> > 0:02:16> > 0:00:19> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > If we consider

Sub3 level for SUN(Minimum case-RED text) it covers 6"(six second) similarly for VEN(Maximum case-BLUE Text) it covers 3.7'(3.7 minute). IncaseÃƒâ€šÃ‚ Sub4Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ level for SUN covers only 0.3"(0.3 second- almost Zero). SoÃƒâ€šÃ‚ a small error in Planet position (say >6") will change the SUN sub3 level. When we implement different ayanamsa, small variation in latitude/longitude, Geocetric latitude,obliquity etc you can imagine the range of changes in Sub3 level etc.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > When we go for finite division hopeÃƒâ€šÃ‚ GOD ONLY can help the astrologer to give correct prediction eventhough someÃƒâ€šÃ‚ minor error is possiable in calculations.> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > GOOD LUCK!!> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > D.Senthil > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > TW tw853@> > Subject:

Fw: Re: Re: CIL Theory> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 6:07 AM> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > 1. The originator of the straight line Ayanamsa is KP astrologers as shown in the File section under:> > A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc > > A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS> > REVISIT OF KPA.doc > > Revisit of KP Ayamansa > > 2. The sub sub can be different by using the KPNA and the stright line Ayanamsa, depending on cases, as Sun sub sub in Su-Su-Su (star, sub, sub sub) will change after 00:02:00:00, ....Ve sub sub in Ve-Ve-Ve after 00:22:13:20.> > Regards,> > TW > > > > @gro ups.com, rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/1/10, rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...>> > > Re: Re: CIL Theory> > > "Senthil" <athi_ram@ .>> > > Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 10:21 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Senthil,> > > I am not worried about the originator of ayanamsa.> > > In Mr.Rangarajan' s software I got the options of ayanamsas and I tried the horoscopes and this ayanamsa suits me for my good predictions. That is all.> > > Moreover I do not know the indepth calculations of moon's position etc.My opinion is the rule we follow should give correct predictions in all horoscopes we

predict and the rule we follow should give same predictions to each and every one. > > > If you prove the same withminimum 50 charts I am ready to follow you.The main object is the astrology should not become a comedy thing as cine ma and TV projects.> > > I appreciate you for all the mails you have given reg BTR . Though we could not finaliseÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > a rule atleast we should not follow a rule which do not suit for correct predictions.> > > Thanking you,> > > Mrs.Rajalakshmi> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/1/10, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Senthil <athi_ram@ .>> > > Re: Re: CIL Theory> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: rajamma_Astro@ ...> > > Date:

Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 8:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajalakshmee,> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > Please clarify the Following: > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > 1) Who is the inventor/originator ofÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ "KP straight line( adjusted)" Ayanamsa? > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > 2) Considering some small error in MOON postion,ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ how far the MOON sub sub sub level will be correct?> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > D.Senthil> > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/2/10, rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >

> > > rajalakshmee subramanian <rajamma_astro@ ...>> > > Re: Re: CIL Theory> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, January 2, 2010, 5:54 AM> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members,> > > I am new to this forum and have been watching the msgs reg BTR and CIL.> > > I have been practising this CIL theory with the help of BTR.ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ I follow as under.> > > I use Mr.Rangarajan' s software 3.5.and the ayanamsa I follow is KP straightline( adjusted)> > > which all can use.> > > About BTR> > > ------------ -----> > > I use RP's ruling

planets:> > > Lagna - sign lord - starlord - sub lord - sub sub lord> > > MoonÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ star lord -sub lord - sub sub lord - sub sub sub lord> > > > > > Birth Time ruling planets:> > > > > > Lagna - sign lord - starlord - sub lord - sub sub lord> > > Moon -ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ star lord - sub lord - sub sub lord - sub sub sub lord> > > > > > The general principle is RP's moon position should signify Birth time lagna and RP's lagna should signify BT moon.> > > To my experience I give more importance to RP's moon and BT Lagna and simultaneously check whether one or two planets signify in matching the RP lagna and BT moon.> > > First I look into RP's moon's sub sub lord and sub sub sub lord. > > > Then match the BT lagna 's sub sub lord

and sub sub sub lord to it.> > > I give below the experienced chart of twins with BTR and CIL theory.> > > TWINS CHART:> > > ------------ --------- -> > > Ist child:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > Date of birth:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 16.09.2007> > > Time of birth:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 11.25 a.m.> > > Place:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ chennai India> > > > > > IInd child> > > Date of birth:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 16.9.2007> > > Time of birth:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ 11.26 a.m.> > >

Place:ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ chennai, India> > > > > > The first child had health problem when born and died on 19.9.2007.> > > The IInd child is OK till now.(having contact with the client till now)> > > The births by c.section only and not normal birth.> > > My RP for both charts was 26.09.2007 12.37 p.m. chennai> > > I give below the positions :RP's:> > > Lagna (11.33.33") - jupiter-kethu- mercury-mercury> > > Moon( 01.33.24 ) - jupiter-raghu- raghu-venus> > > BT 11.25.a.m.> > > ------------ -------> > > Lagna( 16.09.02") ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

mars-sat-jupiter- moon> > > Moon (21.00.47")ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Jupiter-jup- venus-ragu> > > BT11.26 a.m.> > > ------------ ------> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Lagna (16.22.37")ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ mars-sat-jupiter- mars> > > Moon(21.00.47" )ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Jupiter-jup- venus-ragu> > > > > > From the known news the Ist child died. So the lagna should signify it and also other 12 bhavas to some extent.> > > I predicted the time for the first child was 11.24.30.> > > I brought the RP moon's sub sub sub lord to Lagna sublord i.e. Venus.> > > now it became mars - sat - jupiter - venus.> > > > > > for another child I

brought Ragu because ragu came twice. > > > I predicted the time 11.26.15 a.m. > > > For Ist child the lagna signifies the bhavas as under.> > > Lagna sub lord Jupiter (1,9)ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ in the star of Mercury (2,7,8,12)> > > Most of bhavas signifies 8th & 8,12 in this chart for longivity.> > > Child born in Jupiter dasa, jupiter bukthi and venus anthra. The lagna sublord is jupiter and it worked on lagna vry well. Lagna's sub sub lord is venus . So the fate worked in jupiter dasa bukthi and venus anthra. > > > On 19.9.2007 the transit also supported for the death of this child.> > > > > > For IInd child> > > ------------ --------- -> > > Lagna signifies jupiter (1,9,12) in the star of mercury(4) and in the sub of mercury(4)> > > All bhavas including 8th bhava signifies good longivity for this

child.> > > > > > NOTE:> > > ------------> > > For BTR:> > > > > > > > > Pl do not conclude with one or two charts. Minimum of 50 charts should match the rules.> > > I use BTRÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ for correction by asking the client some events or incidents which I predict.> > > If I am confused I pray the God and ask the client a number within 9 and match the planets. If we are sincere God help us in this way also(if 4 means ragu as moon's sslord.)> > > Please do not stick to one rule .Our aim should be that the rule we follow should give the correct predictions.> > > If our beloved KSK is alive he would have definitely improved the BTR rules according to the world population. Still you can pray your Guru and his blessings are always with us. > > > This is humble request.> > >

> > > REG CIL Theory> > > ------------ --------- ---> > > This theory is easy and works well. If the forum needs I will give more example horoscopes which I have predicted.> > > Conclusion:> > > ------------ ------> > > I have given my experience and it is upto the members whether they apply my rules or not.> > > Thanking you, > > > Mrs.Rajalakshmi> > > > > > > > > Next BT > > > ,> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Rohit ajlaxmi > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Rohit ajlaxmi >> > > Re: CIL Theory> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, 1 January, 2010, 10:12 PM> > > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > It will be highly appriciated the if some one can help in reaching to the conclusion by this practice.> > > i have purchased the books by Mr.khullar.> > > > > > Thanks.> > > Regards.> > > > > > Rohit.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Anurodh Kumar <kanurodh@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gautam,> > > > > > > > Cuspal Interlinks thoery is in KP system not out of it. Yes, I do practice> > > > it and have found it a key to land on the conclusion. It gives interwoven> > > > connections of different houses and answers for deep questions.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Anurodh> > > > >

> > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:55 AM, kumar gautam <swami_gautam@ ...>wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > > is anybody practicing cuspal interlinks theory, i want to know how far is> > > > > it accurate when compared with kp system.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Anurodh> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >>

January 12, 2010

Dear TinWin,

Futher to the message given below my LOGIC says that he must have used either some 2nd order curve fitting or uniform/non-uniform CIRCULAR MOTION equations or combination of both cocept to derive the formula. Please correct me if i am wrong.

GOOD LUCK!!!

D.Senthil--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

Senthil <athi_ramRe: Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet Cc: "tw" <tw853Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:37 PM

Dear TinWin,

Thanks for the detailed information. At this moment i want to concentrate on NKPA only.Hence let me ask some queries about that which you may clarify.

============================QUOTE=========================

NKPA = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600 where, B = base offset = 22+1350/3600 = 22:22:30 @ 15 Apr 1900) T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900 P = precession rate value per year = 50.2388475 sec A = annual precession rate adjustment= 0.000111 sec

(as given by Prof. K. Balachandran in KP & Astrology Year Book 2003) http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1530?threaded= 1

==========================UNQUOTE=========================

1) How he (Prof. K. Balachandran) arrived the annual precession rate adjustment (A) is equal to 0.000111 sec?

2) When I workout from 291 AD(Forward direction with BASE = Zero) assuming that the precession rate value per year(P) is equal to 50.2388475 sec (on 291 AD) and adjusting for every year with the annual precession rate adjustment(A) is equal to 0.000111 sec added cumulatively for every year to get ayanamsa for year 1000,1800 found to be 9:53:56(9:50:25) & 20:58:33 (21:40:24) respectively. The value in bracket is as given in your Table-2 column-3 shown below. I don't understand why this high difference?

Similarly when I work backward using the above formula the results are coming very closer (say same). I think the above formula may be based on curve fitting & whereas I have calculated manually by cumulative addition.

Can you through some light on the above.

GOOD LUCK!!

D.Senthil

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853 wrote:

TW <tw853 Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 12:49 PM

Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet

Table 1: Zero Ayanamsa Year and Precession Rate of the Ayanamsas

Ayanamsa

Zero

Ayana.

Year*1

Annual Precession Rate

Adjustment Rate of Precession Rate per year

Remark

KPOA

291 AD

50.2388475 *2

Not applied

KP Reader I page 55-58

KPNA

291 *3

50.2388475sec

0.000111 sec

Formula w/o base offset

KPSTLA

291 AD

50.2388475

Not applied

Formula with base offset

LAHIRI

285 AD

50.2564 *4

0.000222 sec *5

Formula with base offset

RAMAN

397 AD

50 1/3 sec

Not applied

Formula w/o base offset

KPOA= KP Old Ayanamsa, KPNA= KP New Ayanamsa, KPSTLA= KP Straight Line Ayanamsa

*1 Assumed year of coincidence of both Sayana and Nirayana zodiacs *2 Newcomb rate of sec per year *3 @ 23 March, 291 A.D. *4 so-called modern astronomical value for the year 1900 *5 Usually 0.000111 is used for 50.2388475 and 0.000222 is applied for 50.2564. NKPA = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600 where, B = base offset = 22+1350/3600 = 22:22:30 @ 15 Apr 1900) T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900 P = precession rate value per year = 50.2388475 sec A = annual precession rate adjustment= 0.000111 sec

(as given by Prof. K. Balachandran in KP & Astrology Year Book 2003) http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 1530?threaded= 1 KPSTLA = T*P/3600 where T = Year of Birth minus 291 A.D. P = 50.2388475sec per year Note: T = fractional/decimal year taking days between given date and 15th April

The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa such calculated up to the required date is called KP Stright Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa in the KPAstro 3.5. (as per MC Khare in the A & A Oct 1978 issue pp 6-8, and as explained by Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro 3.5) LAHIRI = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600 where B = 80890.1535 sec = 22:28:10.1535 @1 Apr 15, 1900 T = Year of Birth minus 1900 P = precession rate 50.2564 (Modern Astronomical value for the year 1900) A = precession rate adjustment 0.000222 sec per year (as in the UTOH referred by K. Hariharan in `Notable Persons & KP', page 138) RAMAN = T*P/3600 where T = Year of birth minus 397 A.D. P = 50 1/3 sec per year (as per Appendix A of Dr. BV Raman's Hindu Predictive Astrology, first published on February 1st 1938)

http://www.astrolog ie.cz/zacek/ ayanamsa/ ayanamsa. htm Table 2: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

(As of 1st January in D-M-S)

Year

KPOA

KPNA

KPSTLA

LAHIRI

RAMAN

1

2

3

4

5

6

1000

09-50*

09-50-25

09-53-25

09-55-11

08-25-51

1800

20-58*

20-58-33

21-03-30

21-03-45

19-36-58

1850

21-40

21-40-24

21-45-08

21-45-36

20-18-54

1900

22-22

22-22 16

22-27-00

22-27-55

21-00-51

1950

23-04

23-04-08

23-08-52

23-09-28

21-42-48

2000

23-46

23-46-01

23-50-44

23-51-11

22-24-44

2010

23-54

23-54-23

23-59-21

24-00-04

22-33-08

3000

37-45*

37-45-33

37-48-03

37-51-26

26-23-38

* As per formula of Mr. Neville Lang (developer of Astracadabra) and for other years from the page 58 Ayanamsa table of KP Reader I

Table 3: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in D-M-S)

Year

KPNA minus KPOA

STLA minus KPNA

Lahiri minus NKPA

Lahiri minus KPOA

Lahiri minus STLA

KPNA minus Raman

KPSTLA minus Raman

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

1000

0-0-25

0-3-00

0-4-46

0-5-11

0-1-46

1-24-34

1-27-34

1800

0-0-33

0-4-57

0-5-12

0-5-45

0-0-15

1-21-35

1-26-32

1850

0-0-24

0-4-44

0-5-12

0-5-36

0-0-28

1-21-30

1-26-14

1900

0-0-16

0-4-44

0-5-39

0-5-55

0-0-55

1-21-25

1-26-09

1950

0-0-08

0-4-48

0-5-20

0-5-28

0-0-36

1-21-20

1-26-04

2000

0-0-01

0-4-43

0-5-10

0-5-11

0-0-27

1-21-17

1-26-00

2010

0-0-23

0-4-58

0-5-41

0-6-04

0-1-43

1-21-15

1-26-13

3000

0-0-33

0-2-30

0-5-53

0-6-26

0-3-23

1-21-55

1-24-25

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 30575 A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc (in File section) A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS REVISIT OF KPA.doc (in File section) Revisit of KP Ayanamsa