Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Dear Raj Shree, There have been various concepts floating on retrogradation floating in decades of this century. let's have a review : In mid 70's, Late Bipin Behari gave the idea that retrograde planets also give results from a house previous to their actual placement in lagna chart. This was a big milestone towards evaluation of retrograded planets, further, same is approved by Sri K.N Rao, nowadays, people think, this is discovered by Sri K.N Rao, which is wrong. Few, months back, I got a copy of Lomash Sanghita, unfortunatly, only 700 shlokas are available, Lomash sanghita reveals, Jup, Merc, Venus and Saturn gives results from mulitple houses in addition to where they are placed. Now, You are quoting a differnt version stated by Pt Sanjay Rath, See, I dont know why astro world dont go for a reality check, at some points, and for some of karkatwas or sattributes, Bipin Behari's version seems fit. we need to check all versions and find which one trully works. regards, Lalit sohamsa , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Dear Jyotish Gurus > > I was reading up on retrogression from the Varahamir file section. > There was one statement from Sanjayji that retrograde planets will > behave as if they are in the 7th house. So it a planet is retrograde > in 10th hoyuse, it shows its effects related to matters of 4th house? > > Kindly explain. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 KP for Beginners- Part 11 Reading a KP Horary Chart KP-Ezine April 2008 issue 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression 3.2.1. What is Retrogression? 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221) 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of " Retrograde Planets in Astrology " in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows: 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991) 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264) 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178) 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)] 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44) 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12] 27. With the slogan of " If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also? " , Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52) 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say " My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth " . (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. , ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty wrote: > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions > Chandra > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: > > R Satish <rsatish1942 > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > >   Dear Chandra, >  >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration. >  >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame. >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro. >  >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail >  >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc. >  >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites. >  >                              Regards, >  >                               Satish > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote: > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > @gro ups.com > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM > > >  Dear group members, >  > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease. > Thanks, > cghatty > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote: > > > TW <tw853 > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM > > >  > > Dear Friends, > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of: > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else; > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars? > Thanks and regards, > TW > > @gro ups.com, " PEDDA " <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > " Will Telangana be separated? " was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai. > > Horary No. > 227/249. > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010. > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM. > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10. > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12. > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu. > > (3) Sublord of 5th > cusp is Ketu. > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points. > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not. > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > Table of Significators †" Planet View. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D) > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7 > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 - > > > > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* - > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9). > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) ----- > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. ----- > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > KURNOOL > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Another quotation from A & A Quoted from - The Article - Research Study (In the light of theoty of Retrogradation of Planets)Takeover of Pharmaceutical Firm by Govrnment The Writer - Keshab R. Kar, Jyotish Pravin The source - Astrology & Athrishta - September 1978 page 33 //Comments on Retrogradation: KP suggests that retrogression in natal Chart is nothing.(See Reader vi, page 145) but in Horary, retrogression is to be tackled carefully. Any planet direct or retrograde in Horary is nothing, but if it is in the star of another retrograde planet it become inactive, hence it brings only a failure. Such planets were not considered as significators earlier, but were dropped. Subsequently this theory is modified in 1973, with the guideline that planet may be retrograde or may be posited in the star; lord of which may again be retrograded is meaningless but if it is posited in the Sub, lord of which is if retrograde then the planet in question will be rejected or dropped, otherwise not. In a word, planet in the Sub of a retrograde planet should be dropped. Sub Sub division is far more superior to Sub division, as Sub Sub offers greater accuracy. Therefore role of Sub Sub is on top of Sub. Planet may not be posited in the sub of a retrograde planet but there is every possibility that it may be posited in a retrograde Sub Sub division. In this presented example Mars is not retrograde, nor he is posited in the Star or in the Sub any retrograde planet. But Mars is posited in the Sub Sub of Sat-R. If Sub Sub is far stronger than Sub then, Mars in the Sub Sub of retrograde Sat should have been dropped? But reply here is big NO. (At the beginning of this new concept, I used to consider the signif, in that way, but later I observe that fruitful result is experienced even though if we drop the planet with that idea. This made me perplexed. Later I discovered that retrogression in Horary is also nothing. Simply period of retrograde motion of the planet is to be taken in to consideration carefully. Now I ignore retrograde planet in Horary and I consider it as a signif. if it is signifies any required bhawa.) .......For retrogration plea, planet should not be haphazardly dropped. Next result can also be experienced during retrograde motion of a planet, if the said planet is in the close vicinity of Sun and in the Star and Sub Sub of a favourable planet. Therefore retrogration is nothing, but should be tackled carefully.//KalyanTW <tw853 Sent: Mon, 11 January, 2010 6:49:41 AM Retrogression KP for Beginners- Part 11 Reading a KP Horary Chart KP-Ezine April 2008 issue 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression 3.2.1. What is Retrogression? 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221) 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows: 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991) 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264) 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178) 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)] 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44) 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12] 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52) 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote: > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions > Chandra > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote: > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > @gro ups.com > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra, >  >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration. >  >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame. >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro. >  >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail >  >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc. >  >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites. >  >                              Regards, >  >                               Satish > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote: > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > @gro ups.com > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM > > >  > > > > > > > Dear group members, >  > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease. > Thanks, > cghatty > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote: > > > TW <tw853 > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM > > >  > > Dear Friends, > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of: > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else; > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars? > Thanks and regards, > TW > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai. > > Horary No. > 227/249. > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010. > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM. > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10. > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12. > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu. > > (3) Sublord of 5th > cusp is Ketu. > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points. > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not. > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View. > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D) > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7 > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 - > > > > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* - > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9). > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) ----- > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. ----- > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > KURNOOL > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear TinWin, 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP//22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. // //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]// I don’t agree the above fully. My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without any denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). For Example, Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way. This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address. ADDRESS: ========= Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMURTI, KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. PHONE : +91-44 28496046 MOBILE: +91 9840689215 EMAIL1: kpsari EMAIL2: kpsari //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]// I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions. //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.// I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil--- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853 wrote: TW <tw853 Retrogression Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM KP for Beginners- Part 11Reading a KP Horary ChartKP-Ezine April 2008 issue3.2. Controversy of Retrogression3.2.1. What is Retrogression?17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)3.2.3. Retrogression in KP22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:>> Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> Chandra > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,>  >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.>  >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.>                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.>  >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail>  >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept>                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.>  >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering>                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.>  >                              Regards,>  >                               Satish> > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> @gro ups.com> Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > >  > > > > > > > Dear group members,>  > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> Thanks,> cghatty> > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > TW <tw853 >> Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > >  > > Dear Friends,> Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> >> > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > Horary No.> 227/249.> > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > (3) Sublord of 5th> cusp is Ketu. > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > >> 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > KURNOOL> >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Sunthil, 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy. 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided. 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles. Thanks and regards, TW , Senthil <athi_ram wrote: > > Dear TinWin, > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. // >  > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]// >  > I don’t agree the above fully. >  > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without any > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). >  > For Example, >  > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way. >  > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address. >  > ADDRESS: > ========= > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMURTI, > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > 769, ANNA SALAI, > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > EMAIL1: kpsari > EMAIL2: kpsari >  > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]// >  > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions. >  > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, " My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth " . (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.// >  > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings. >  > GOOD LUCK!! >  D.Senthil > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853 wrote: > > > TW <tw853 > Retrogression > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM > > >  > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11 > Reading a KP Horary Chart > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression? > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221) > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of " Retrograde Planets in Astrology " in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows: > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991) > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264) > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178) > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)] > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44) > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12] > > 27. With the slogan of " If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also? " , Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52) > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say " My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth " . (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions > > Chandra > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote: > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > @gro ups.com > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra, > >  > >                     \    1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration. > >  > >                     \     2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame. > >                     \      3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro. > >  > >                     \      4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail > >  > >                     \      5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept > >                     \           Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc. > >  > >                     \       6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering > >                     \          the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > >                     \          surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites. > >  > >                     \          Regards, > >  > >                     \           Satish > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote: > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > @gro ups.com > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members, > >  > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease. > > Thanks, > > cghatty > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote: > > > > > > TW <tw853 > > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Friends, > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of: > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else; > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars? > > Thanks and regards, > > TW > > > > @gro ups.com, " PEDDA " <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Will Telangana be separated? " was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai. > > > Horary No. > > 227/249. > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010. > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM. > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10. > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12. > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu. > > > (3) Sublord of 5th > > cusp is Ketu. > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points. > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not. > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > Table of Significators †" Planet View. > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D) > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7 > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 - > > > > > > > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* - > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9). > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) ----- > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. ----- > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > KURNOOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Dear TinWin, //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.// All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only. There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below. //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.// The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct. But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book). GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote: TW <tw853 Re: Retrogression Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM Dear Sunthil,1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > I don’t agree the above fully.> > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without any> denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > For Example, > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > ADDRESS: > ========= > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > 769, ANNA SALAI, > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > EMAIL1: kpsari EMAIL2: kpsari > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > GOOD LUCK!!> D.Senthil> > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> Reading a KP Horary Chart> KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > Chandra > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> >  > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> >  > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> >  > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> >  > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> >  > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> >  > >                              Regards,> >  > >                               Satish> > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> >  > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > Thanks,> > cghatty> > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > >  > > > > Dear Friends,> > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > Horary No.> > 227/249.> > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > cusp is Ketu. > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > >> > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > KURNOOL> > >> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Dear Senthil, Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see. Thanks and regards, TW , Senthil <athi_ram wrote: > > Dear TinWin, >  > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.// >  > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only. >  > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below. >  > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.// >  > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct. >  > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book). > > GOOD LUCK!! >  > D.Senthil > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote: > > > TW <tw853 > Re: Retrogression > > Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Sunthil, > 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy. > 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided. > 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles. > Thanks and regards, > TW > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear TinWin, > > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP > > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. // > >  > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]// > >  > > I don’t agree the above fully. > >  > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without > any > > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > >  > > For Example, > >  > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way. > >  > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address. > >  > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@ > > EMAIL2: kpsari@ > >  > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]// > >  > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions. > >  > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, " My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth " . (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.// > >  > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings. > >  > > GOOD LUCK!! > >  D.Senthil > > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > TW <tw853@> > > Retrogression > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11 > > Reading a KP Horary Chart > > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue > > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression > > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression? > > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221) > > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of " Retrograde Planets in Astrology " in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows: > > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991) > > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264) > > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP > > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178) > > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)] > > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44) > > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12] > > > > 27. With the slogan of " If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also? " , Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52) > > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say " My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth " . (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions > > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> > > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > > @gro ups.com > > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra, > > >  > > >                     \    1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration. > > >  > > >                     \     2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame. > > >                     \      3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro. > > >  > > >                     \      4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail > > >  > > >                     \      5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept > > >                     \           Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc. > > >  > > >                     \       6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering > > >                     \          the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                     \          surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites. > > >  > > >                     \          Regards, > > >  > > >                     \           Satish > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > > > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > > @gro ups.com > > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members, > > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease. > > > Thanks, > > > cghatty > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 > > > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE. > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of: > > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else; > > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars? > > > Thanks and regards, > > > TW > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " PEDDA " <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Will Telangana be separated? " was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai. > > > > Horary No. > > > 227/249. > > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010. > > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM. > > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10. > > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12. > > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu. > > > > (3) Sublord of 5th > > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points. > > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not. > > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators †" Planet View. > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D) > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7 > > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 - > > > > > > > > > > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* - > > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9). > > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) ----- > > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. ----- > > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Dear TinWin, You are welcome. Thanks to our forum members who have motivated me (especially for raising query like “Will I get a new shoes or slippers?â€) to present the article on “WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCEâ€. Hope the above article will help the astrologers to give correct prediction for DRIVING LICENCE especially for the expatriates to get licence in their respective foreign country. There are few messages regarding Car Driving licence were posted by the members in the past 2006 to 2008 & 2009(QUIZ-8)-Refer URL mentioned below. Hope it may not be helpful as it is too late for them and at least will help in future. http://dir./message/8412 http://dir./message/8429 http://dir./message/8448 http://dir./message/20189 http://dir./message/24616 GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil--- On Thu, 1/14/10, TW <tw853 wrote: TW <tw853 Re: Retrogression Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 6:29 PM Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > > KURNOOL> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 today on the occassion of grahan there was a debate between the renowned astrologers n science believers of india on star tv...... the astrologer was provided with the birth details and was challenged to give his prediction.......he using his smart knowledge, made a statement that the details given show that the person is having marital tiff, trouble, on this the person's wife was called on fone...she straight away said u r wrong......later the astrologer went to say that the given details of the person show that though he looks very healthy outside, he is from within weak, in short he tried all his efforts to indicate impotency of the person by jumbling the words..... now obviously the person cannot talk on that subject, which is not touched also & which is being talked in an indicative way...thus it was untouched....... i donno whetehr the astrologer was shrewd that he used common sense of analysing a scientifuc person's trait that they will try to prove their point at the cost of anything and such a trait can be harmful to even a marital bond.....however a s athird person, I cud understand that astrologer was not doing astrology in that but was doing psychology & simple common sense, which was also toppled by the bold n confident reply of the scientist's wife that there is no marital problem between them...... anyways, finally i pray let justcie prevail on this earth, or in short people be blessed with the power, courage etc.. to fight injustice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Senthil, I have put an order for the KP ANNUAL NUMBER 2010. Hope I receive it soon. Dr. Rath TW <tw853 Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 7:59:03 AM Re: Retrogression Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > > KURNOOL> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Dear Dr.Rath, I hope now you are looking all the old mails and anyhow thanks for the information. I am sure that any comment from person like you will definitely give value addition to both of us as well as others. Awaiting for your feedback. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Retrogression Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM Dear Senthil, I have put an order for the KP ANNUAL NUMBER 2010. Hope I receive it soon. Dr. Rath TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comFri, January 15, 2010 7:59:03 AM Re: Retrogression Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > > KURNOOL> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Yes Dear Senthil, Now I am going through the mails of January and February. Deleting some and replying to some. I am eagerly waiting for reply from Krishnamurty Publications regarding the KP Annual. I may discuss some thing on retrogression later. Thanking you. Dr. Rath Senthil <athi_ram Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 2:14:55 PMRe: Re: Retrogression Dear Dr.Rath, I hope now you are looking all the old mails and anyhow thanks for the information. I am sure that any comment from person like you will definitely give value addition to both of us as well as others. Awaiting for your feedback. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Retrogression@gro ups.comThursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM Dear Senthil, I have put an order for the KP ANNUAL NUMBER 2010. Hope I receive it soon. Dr. Rath TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comFri, January 15, 2010 7:59:03 AM Re: Retrogression Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. 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Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010  Dear Dr. Rath, Perhaps Mr.Senthil is referring to K.P.Annul 2010 of Mr. Hariharan, 3rd son of our Guruji. K.S.K. K.P. Year Book 2010 is another one published by Krishman & co. by K.Subramanian 2nd son of late Guruji. Before buying kindly get it confirmed from Shri Senthil. Copy is sent to him. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:42 AM Re: Re: Retrogression Yes Dear Senthil, Now I am going through the mails of January and February. Deleting some and replying to some. I am eagerly waiting for reply from Krishnamurty Publications regarding the KP Annual. I may discuss some thing on retrogression later. Thanking you. Dr. Rath Senthil <athi_ram > Sent: Fri, March 26, 2010 2:14:55 PMRe: Re: Retrogression Dear Dr.Rath, I hope now you are looking all the old mails and anyhow thanks for the information. I am sure that any comment from person like you will definitely give value addition to both of us as well as others. Awaiting for your feedback. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Retrogression@gro ups.comThursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM Dear Senthil, I have put an order for the KP ANNUAL NUMBER 2010. Hope I receive it soon. Dr. Rath TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comFri, January 15, 2010 7:59:03 AM Re: Retrogression Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. 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Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Yes Sir, I mean KP ANNUAL 2010 only. Dr. Rath kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani Cc: Senthil <athi_ramSat, March 27, 2010 12:18:08 PMRe: Re: Retrogression  Dear Dr. Rath, Perhaps Mr.Senthil is referring to K.P.Annul 2010 of Mr. Hariharan, 3rd son of our Guruji. K.S.K. K.P. Year Book 2010 is another one published by Krishman & co. by K.Subramanian 2nd son of late Guruji. Before buying kindly get it confirmed from Shri Senthil. Copy is sent to him. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath @gro ups.com Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:42 AM Re: Re: Retrogression Yes Dear Senthil, Now I am going through the mails of January and February. Deleting some and replying to some. I am eagerly waiting for reply from Krishnamurty Publications regarding the KP Annual. I may discuss some thing on retrogression later. Thanking you. Dr. Rath Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comFri, March 26, 2010 2:14:55 PMRe: Re: Retrogression Dear Dr.Rath, I hope now you are looking all the old mails and anyhow thanks for the information. I am sure that any comment from person like you will definitely give value addition to both of us as well as others. Awaiting for your feedback. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Retrogression@gro ups.comThursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM Dear Senthil, I have put an order for the KP ANNUAL NUMBER 2010. Hope I receive it soon. Dr. Rath TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comFri, January 15, 2010 7:59:03 AM Re: Retrogression Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > > KURNOOL> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Dear Ramani, I have already given the address of the publisher (Krishnamurthi publication by K.Hariharan only) in my message and the same is given below once again. ADDRESS: ========= Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. PHONE : +91-44 28496046 MOBILE: +91 9840689215 EMAIL1: kpsariEMAIL2: kpsariEmail 3: kpsari It is K.P.Annual Number 2010 by KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION (K.Hariharan) and Dr.Rath's understanding is correct. If you have doubt you may please ask to the above given phone number. GOOD LUCK!!! D.Senthil --- On Fri, 3/26/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: kadavasalramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Re: Retrogression Cc: "Senthil" <athi_ramFriday, March 26, 2010, 11:48 PM  Dear Dr. Rath, Perhaps Mr.Senthil is referring to K.P.Annul 2010 of Mr. Hariharan, 3rd son of our Guruji. K.S.K. K.P. Year Book 2010 is another one published by Krishman & co. by K.Subramanian 2nd son of late Guruji. Before buying kindly get it confirmed from Shri Senthil. Copy is sent to him. Regards, K.S.V.Ramani - Luther Rath Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:42 AM Re: Re: Retrogression Yes Dear Senthil, Now I am going through the mails of January and February. Deleting some and replying to some. I am eagerly waiting for reply from Krishnamurty Publications regarding the KP Annual. I may discuss some thing on retrogression later. Thanking you. Dr. Rath Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comFri, March 26, 2010 2:14:55 PMRe: Re: Retrogression Dear Dr.Rath, I hope now you are looking all the old mails and anyhow thanks for the information. I am sure that any comment from person like you will definitely give value addition to both of us as well as others. Awaiting for your feedback. GOOD LUCK!! D.Senthil --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Retrogression@gro ups.comThursday, March 25, 2010, 10:55 PM Dear Senthil, I have put an order for the KP ANNUAL NUMBER 2010. Hope I receive it soon. Dr. Rath TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comFri, January 15, 2010 7:59:03 AM Re: Retrogression Dear Senthil,Thanks for information and congratulations on your articles, making the KP Annual Number 2010 almost yours without precedent. When the book is received, a gist of findings on retrogression will be presented to the forum. Let us wait and see.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@.. .> wrote:>> Dear TinWin,> > //2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.//> > All the charts mentioned in my articles are HORARY Charts only.> > There are total 51(11+1+1+38) Charts are discussed under 4(four) different article. If you consider primary CSL retrograde 13 charts (7 out of 11+0+0+6 out of 25 for Category-2) are considered. The case summary for WILL I GET DRVING LICENCE & chart details all are available in the KP Annual Number 2010 mentioned below.> > > //3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.//> > The KP Annual Number 2009 may be released on 31st October 2008 and the pages mentioned may be correct.> > But for the whole KP Annual Number 2010(released on 31st October 2009), Total pages printed with articles are 165(excluding front/back portion few sheets) for 9 articles. My articles are covered from page 28 to 149 (total 122 pages =74% of the whole book).> > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: Retrogression> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:39 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sunthil,> 1. It's understandable you can't agree with a collection of different views, which have raised a controversy.> 2. Regarding your study, could you kindly mention how many retro charts in a/ natal and b/ horary you have studied? Findings in horary are noted. Any finding in the natal retro charts, if there? It would be useful for the research study, if the case summary with chart details are provided.> 3. We'll see your article printed in the KP Annual Number 2010, when it is received. How many pages are printed there for your article? The whole KP Annual Number 2009 had only 112 pages for 19 articles.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWin,> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > //22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. //> > > > //24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]//> > > > I don’t agree the above fully.> > > > My research paper on “ WILL I GET DRIVING LICENCE†is published in KP Annual Number 2010(actually released on 31st October 2009 during the time of the Asian Astrologer’s meet Conference held at chennai & Conducted by Prof.K.Hariharan, Krishnamurti Publication/ KPSARI). In this research paper for about 38 Charts are discussed including the effect of retrograde planets also. For the horary chart the subject matter in the query makes the difference in the result. Even though the primary CSL is retrograde or deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet the event will materialize before it becomes directed in such case the route will not be the normal/regular way provided such route is possible otherwise the event will not materialize fruitfully before it becomes direct. But for the secondary CSL as long as they are connected with fruitful houses/required significators that particular secondary CUSP/House matter alone will be executed without> any> > denial (except may be some difficulties to execute that specific CUSP/House matter). > > > > For Example, > > > > Route-1: Licence by correct approach/way (or) > > Route-2: Licence not by correct approach/way.> > > > This article alone contains for about 85 pages and to know more details you can get it from the below mentioned address.> > > > ADDRESS: > > ========= > > Prof. Shri. K.HARIHARAN, > > S/o Guruji Shri.K.S.KRISHNAMUR TI, > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATION, > > F21-A, SPENCER PLAZA, > > 769, ANNA SALAI, > > CHENNAI, INDIA-600 002. > > PHONE : +91-44 28496046 > > MOBILE: +91 9840689215 > > EMAIL1: kpsari@> > EMAIL2: kpsari@> > > > > > //26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > > > > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]//> > > > I don’t know Gujarati and not aware what the authors are presented inside the above book so it may be studied by somebody who knows Gujarati along with my Research paper to get some better conclusions.> > > > //30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say, "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis.//> > > > I do agree that the research/further study and study of failure charts only can teach the lesson/way forward. I have studied/researched hundreds of charts and the above are my findings.> > > > GOOD LUCK!!> > D.Senthil> > > > --- On Sun, 1/10/10, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > TW <tw853@>> > Retrogression> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 10, 2010, 5:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > KP for Beginners- Part 11> > Reading a KP Horary Chart> > KP-Ezine April 2008 issue> > > > 3.2. Controversy of Retrogression> > > > 3.2.1. What is Retrogression?> > > > 17. Retrogression means moving backward. The Sun and Moon never retrograde. Rahu and Ketu always move backward and so they are not considered as retrograde planets. Only the remaining 5 planets, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn, move direct but sometimes they are found moving backward and considered as retrograde planets. (KP Reader VI pp 146, 221)> > > > 18. Planets never really move backward and their movement is always in one direction. Planets, when retrograde, appear to be moving backward to us here on Earth from Geocentric position, i.e. taking Earth as center. This reverse motion is only a visual illusion as the slower planet coming backward due to the own motion of the Earth's orbit. Like a train passing a moving car, passengers in the train experience the illusion that the slower car is moving backward due to the speed at which the train is moving. > > > > 3.2.2. Views on Retrogression > > > > 19. However, this virtual (not actual) retrogression has been stated in the classic texts, Bhavatha Ratnakara, Brihat Parashara Hora Shatra, Horasara, Jataka Parijata, Jataka Tattwa, Phaladeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali, Uttarakalamarita and the articles on the role of "Retrograde Planets in Astrology" in the Astrological Magazine (AM) of Bangalore, March 1967 to November 1974, by Vedic astrologers, Bepin Behari, V.A.K. Iyer, Ajanta Jain, R. Lakshmanan, R. Santhanam, P.S. Sastri, V.K. Sinha, B. Suryanarayan Rao etc. And among divergent views retrogression has been mainly considered as an indication of strength (chestabal) because a planet, when retrograde, is nearer to Earth and can have its greater impact. > > > > 20. Grace Inglis has concluded in his Retrograde Planets in line with Buell D. Huggins and Garth Allen that a retrograde planet is not much different in natal chart. After illustrating 32 examples, Buell D. Huggins is of the opinion that retrograde planets may apply only to Horary Astrology. (AM September- special issue on retrogression- and November 1974) > > > > 21. In horary studies, planets stay in dynamic motion as follows:> > > > 1) If the question is ruled by a retrograde planet at the time of query, the condition will change when the planet goes direct. If the ruling planet is direct and will soon turn retrograde, the event asked about may not happen. Retrograde planets in horary brings things and people back. (Helen Adams Garrett: More About Retrogrades, 1991)> > 2) For example, if a planet retrogrades in the 7th house the querent gone out of station will return for the query about the return. (S. Kannan, AM January 1972) > > 3) Retrograde planets never give all that is expected. (Charles Carter: Horary Astrology, 1942) > > 4) Retrograde is found fatal to the success of question. (Alan Leo: Horary Astrology, 2006 Edition p 132) > > 5) An angular planet going retrograde or into combustion may wreck its ability to act in a positive fashion. (J. Lee Lehman: The Martial Art of Horary Astrology p 264)> > > > 3.2.3. Retrogression in KP> > > > 22. In KP, retrogression does not matter in the natal chart analysis but it does not give results in the Horary analysis, if the significator is in the star or sub lord of retrograde planets. In a Horary chart bhava sputa are for ever a constant set up and planets are always on the dynamic move. > > > > 23. The retrograde cuspal sub lord of the concerned cusp, if deposited in the star of a planet in direct motion, the event will materialize after some obstacles and delay when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point wherefrom retrograde motion started. (KP Reader VI pp 145-146, 170, 178)> > > > 24. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the star of retrograde planet, the event cannot materialize. [KP Reader VI pp 146, 171, 178, 222, 262-4, 287, 301, Kuppu Ganapathi para 31, Astrosecrets Part II pp 214-22 para 33, K. Hariharan: Steller Effects on Human Life pp 262-64, T. Rajendra Kumar in KPA 2005 p 51, RP & KP pp 87-9; Dr. Arstu Prabhakar: New Dimensions of K.P. Astrolog (Horary); Styanarayana Naik: K.P. Dynamics (Horary)]> > > > 25. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) is deposited in the sub of retrograde planet, the result will tend to be favorable after some delay and impediments when they get direct in motion. (KP Reader VI p 202, C.R. Bhatt: Nakshatra Chintamani p 104, RP & KP pp 87-89, Vijay Kumar: KPA 2004 p 25, T. Rajendra Kumar: KP Horary in KPA 2008 p 123 & 2009 p 44)> > > > 26. If the cuspal sub lord (whether in direct or retrograde motion) deposited in the star or sub of retrograde planets, > > 1) it cannot give the result when that cuspal sub lord is not a strong significator of the concerned house; > > 2) but the event can materialize when that cuspal sub lord is a strong significator of the concerned house. [C.R. Bhatt: Prashna Jyotish Part 1 & 2 (Gujarati book) pp 56, 185, 279, 319-320 (Courtesy of Kanak Bosmia); Pankaj Himvan: KPA 2009 p 12]> > > > 27. With the slogan of "If retrograde in natal is nothing, why not in Horary also?", Dr. Kar had introduced the theory of cancellation of retrogradation by burning the adverse effects of retrograde planets through the rays of Sun. (Dr. Keshab R. Kar: Some Thoughts on Retrogradation in KPA 1996 pp 50-63) It was supported by K.M. Subramaniam. (KPA 1997 p 51) However, it is also found that the sub lord of the principal cusp, if retrograde or if deposited in the star or sub of a retrograde planet, can negate the result even though the retrograde planet is connected to Sun by the way of star lordship, or being within 30 degrees to the Sun. (T. Rajendra Kumar: Inference from a Honest Retrospection, KPA 2005 pp 50-52)> > > > 28. There are Vryadhipathi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of other houses (P. M. Shanmugam: Astrosecrets & KP Part I pp 91-92; Rao Brothers in O.V.N. Murthy's Role of Badhaka in Astrovision, January and February 2009), and Nadi theory of retrograde planets giving the result of previous house of their placement. (S. Naik: K.P. Dynamics p 36; PVR Rayudu: Marriage Age - A Nadi Method) > > > > 29. Some scholars ignore the result of the retrograde planets by putting several examples in support to their opinions [K.M. Subramaniam (KPA 1997 p 51, Sublord Speaks- 1 p 84-5), Kanak Bosmia (KP Muhurat p 3), Sunil Gondhalekar (Four StepTheory p 54), Umang Taneja (Prashna), S P Khullar (Horary Astrology p ix)] But D.C. Ghose had found in hundred of Horary cases that the retrograde planet has failed to offer the due result. (Result of Planets in Retrogression, KPA 1995 p 6) > > > > 30. Guruji KSK has brought us to that level of thought and used to say "My friends, we have come up to this- you should continue the research and you may reach to further truth". (KPA 1995 p 7 and 1996 p 63) So further research of a minimum of one hundred carefully documented Horary charts is required to form a credible opinion on retrogression whether it does matter or not in the Horary analysis. > > > > @gro ups.com, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Satish,The Telangana Issue was studied on the Horary number only. This rule applies to Horary questions> > > Chandra > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...>> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 9:00 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Dear Chandra,> > >  > > >                        1. These rules apply to Horary only. The Cusp should be related to the issue in concideration.> > >  > > >                         2. The sublord can be retro,materelisatio n on becoming direct,provided it fits into time frame.> > >                          3. The starlors, sublord should not be retro.> > >  > > >                          4  By your submission Starlord being retro,matter should fail> > >  > > >                          5. There are a section of experienced astrologers who do not accept> > >                               Retro theory at all. Dr Kar, Kanak Bosmia etc.> > >  > > >                           6. In real terms, the issue will not get  resolved so soon,considering> > >                              the HUGE moneys spent in developing(investme nt) Hyd and > > >                              surrounding districts by Non- Telanganaites.> > >  > > >                              Regards,> > >  > > >                               Satish> > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty > wrote:> > > > > > > > > ChandraMouliswer Ghatty <cghatty >> > > Re: Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:55 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members,> > >  > > > AS per K.P. if the sub-lord of a cusp is in retro and the star lord in which it is posited is in direct motion, the matter specified will be materialised when the sub lord becomes direct. If the retro sub-lord is in the star of a planet which is also in retro the matter wll never be matrialised. In the above case Mars sub-lord of 7th favoiring separate Telangana is in retro and it is in the star of Mercury which is also in retro. If I am not correct please correct me.Comments if any are invitedplease.> > > Thanks,> > > cghatty> > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/1/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:> > > > > > > > > TW <tw853 >> > > Re: TELANGANA ISSUE.> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 2:29 PM> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > Would it be appropriate to take into consideration of:> > > 1) sub signification, since KP is the sub lord theory only, nothing else;> > > 2) strong signification of Rahu and Ketu for not having any planet in their stars?> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "PEDDA" <ovnmurthy@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Will Telangana be separated?" was a question put to me by my close family friends (They are Dr.V.Sudarshan and Mr.B.Venkatareddy) on 31-12-2009. Therefore I have made-up my mind firmly to give the correct answer to their question through Horary Astrology which was propounded by our great Guruji Prof. Late. K.S.K. Accordingly Horary no. 227/249 was generated by me by using 3.5 KP. Astro Software developed by Dr.Rangarajan of Chennai.> > > > Horary No.> > > 227/249.> > > > Date of Judgement = 01-01-2010.> > > > Time of Jucgement = 04-15-48 PM.> > > > Place of judgement = Kurnool. > > > > > > > > It is a well known fact that we have to consider first the Lagna, 6th and 11th Cusps in favour of Telangana as the question is asked in favour of Telangana. > > > > (1) Sublord of the Ascendant is Sun, lord of 7 in 10; in the constellation of Venus, lord of 3 & 8 in 10.> > > > (2) Sublord of 6th Cusp is Rahu, the occupant of 11th, in the constellation of Sun lord of 7 in 10. > > > > (3) Sublord of 11th cusp is Ketu, the occupant of 5th, in the constellation of Jupiter, the lord of 10 & 11 in 12.> > > > Next let us consider 7th, 12th, and 5th Cusps in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra.) > > > > (1) Sublord of 7th cusp is Mars (Retro) lord of 2 & 9 in 6; in the constellation of Mercury (Retro) lord of 4 & 5 in 11. > > > > (2) Sublord of 12th cusp is Rahu.> > > > (3) Sublord of 5th> > > cusp is Ketu. > > > > Already explained about Rahu and Ketu in the above said (2) and (3) points.> > > > > > > > IMPORTANT POINT: - (1) Sublords of 1, 6 and 11 must be strong significators of Upachayasthanas or improving houses (i.e.) 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11. in favour of Telangana.Then only Telangana will be separated, otherwise not.> > > > (2) Sublords of 7, 12, & 5 should be strong significators of Apachayasthanas or Non-improving houses (i.e.) 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, & 12 in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). > > > > > > > > Table of Significators â€" Planet View.> > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > No. of cusp. Cuspal Sublord. (A) (B) © (D)> > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > > > 1st Sun. 10* 10* 3*, 8 7> > > > > > > > 6th Rahu 10* 11* 7 -> > > > > > > >> > > 11th Ketu 12 5 10*, 11* -> > > > > > > > 7th Mars ® 11 6 (4), (5) 2, (9).> > > > 12th Rahu 10 11 (7) -----> > > > 5th Ketu (12) (5) 10, 11. -----> > > > > > > > From the above table of significators, we can see clearly that the improvi8ng houses 1, 2, 3,6,10 & 11 appear seven times in favour of Telengana and the Non-improving houses 4, 5,7,8,9, & 12 appear six times in favour of Anti-Telangana (Samaikhya Andhra). Improving houses are marked with * star mark and Non-improving houses are shown with in brackets ( ). So we can very boldly declare that Telengana will be separated. No doubt in it. Let us wait for the out-coming results from the higher authorities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VSN MURTHY > > > > KURNOOL> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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