Fw: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

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Dear Subhash and Misra,

 

What is Sunil's rule in 4 step theory w.r.t Misra's case. I have his book in English,please give page ref if possible. It will help me understand you better.

 

1 Is Misra applying rule relating to unborn child for judging other family members ' gender also..

2. Are we talking about sublords or sub-sublords?

 

Sorry for the bother.

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:12 AM

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

As per my s/w....Astro- Kundali.. ....for DOB 20 April 1959 TOB 8:15:56 POB Basti (UP) 82 E 44 34; 26 N 47 42 (as per Google Earth)

 

Lagna is Taurus 21-53-46 Ven-Moon-Ven-Sat Ayanamsha KP 23-11-31

 

Rule given by Dhirendra Misra ji in his mail is reproduced below:

 

//Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.//

 

As I understood the Rule.....there is no mention of sub-sub lord any where.

Please note that it says......the sub-lord (not sub-sub-lord) of the sub-lord (once again not the sub-sub-lord) of the Ascendant

Here sub-lord of the Asc is Ven

Therefore when we say sub-lord of the sub-lord of Asc it means sub-lord of Ven (who is the sub lord of Asc).

Ven is in Taurus 12-59-38.... ...Ven-Moon-Rah-Mer

Sub-lord of Ven is Rah......... .This Rahu is posited in star of Moon (Rah in Virgo 19-05-02.... Mer-Moon-Mer-Rah)

Now, as per above rule if Moon is in male sign child will be male or else female. In this case Moon is posited in Leo a male sign so the native should be male according to me.

 

Secondly, as far as I know, Mr. Gondhalekar ji has given a rule for determining the sex of a baby yet to be born by analyzing 5 CSL of mother (as against Asc sub lord in this case) and he never resorted to sub-sub level unless warranted, that too, in very rare cases. Therefore, Mr Gondhalekar is the right person, in my humble opinion, to enlighten us regarding the Rule and my interpretation of the rule.

 

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comMon, February 1, 2010 9:09:17 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subash,

 

You seem to have got the formula differently. If you could present the case in totality we would understand better. I have got different values for Lagna Taurus21-59- 59.using Jyotish Deepika SW

 

1. Lagna 21-59-59 is Ven,Moon,Ven, Jup Ayanamsa New23-11-57

 

2. Sub-sub Jup® Scorp 7-14-5 Mar,Sat.Ven, Sat

 

3.sub sub Sat® in Sagg 13-51-20 Jup,Ven,Ven Moon.

 

4.starlord of Sat Ven is in Taurus 12-59-16 an even sign hence female gender. Subject is a Male.

 

 

Conclusion. Either the formula does not apply or else

 

Birth time needs correction

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, February 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

 

 

Dear Misra ji/ Lajmi ji,

 

Sorry for the interruption ! You have said.....

 

//I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.//

 

As per the birth details given, sub lord of Asc is Ven. Now sub lord of Ven (i.e. sub lord of the sub lord of Asc) is Rahu and not Saturn. Rahu is situated in the star of Moon and Moon is deposited in Leo, a male sign (in your Natal chart). So the gender of the native should be Male as stated in the rule. So the Rule, if stated correctly, does not fail.

 

My interpretation of the Rule is:

 

1. Sub lord of Asc is .......Ven

 

2. Sub lord of sub lord of Asc i.e. Ven is........Rahu ( Ven is in Taurus sign, Moon star and Rahu sub.......thus sub lord of Ven is Rah)

 

3. Rahu is in the star of Moon {making Moon as star lord of the sub lord (Rah) of the sub of Asc (Ven)}

 

4. Moon is in Leo a male sign.

 

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comCc: Yogeshlajmi@ Sun, January 31, 2010 8:06:45 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Respected Lajmi Sir,I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us.

 

I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.

Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable.Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives.

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

amit desai <amitwho >@gro ups.comSat, January 30, 2010 8:35:02 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Yogeshji

 

after reading this mail of yours I instantly applied the rule in my and my wife's chart and in both it indicates Girl and this ndication is absolutely true.

 

well shall keep checking for more

 

Regards Amit Desai

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Fri, January 29, 2010 5:58:06 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Mr.Misra,

I have been using Gondhalekar' s method since it was first introduced and so far,I have got extremely accurate results..

The Rule is :

"If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Vth cusp,is posited in a star,whose lord is

posited in a Male Sign(ODD Sign), a boy will be born...of in a Female(Even Sign),a Female..."

Where is the question of eight planets as you hypothesise needlessly ?

Instead ,why don't you apply the Rule properly to a given actual case and then post it as an example...(It was prived right in the most recent case of Satishji's neice... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comThu, 28 January, 2010 10:26:01 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dr.Anjana Agarwal Ji,How do you identify gender of unborn baby,if there is no perfect rule in this regard.You are requested to make it clear.This thread was opened by me but none of the members took interest to reveal perfect rule in this regard. Although I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us. TW JI has replied thus:Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards, TWDetermining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable] (Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives. With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com; R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com>Thu, January 28, 2010 7:40:00 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

Female child till 2/02/2010 sa-ju-ju-ra- sat

 

5th house sgl ma, stl me, sl me

ma stl ve sl mo, me st mo sl ra

me 5th CSL (10-3,12)stl mo(12,1), sl ra (2 (sgn su 10,2)), conj su (10,2), ve (10-4,11), aspected by sa in 1-7,8, ra in 2

 

12 and 8 house involved so possibility of caesarean is there

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Naresh Valecha <superstaar_n_ v wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Satish, If u say the child is to be born in a couple of days then the earliest possible time as per RP's is when Moon transits in its own sign Cancer in the Star-Sub of Mercury and its a Saturday. Mars being in Cancer too with Moon on that day indicates a caesarion birth of a female child.

Naresh Valecha --- On Wed, 27/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comWednesday, 27 January, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

The child is expected to be born any time now.Ceasarian or not ,time will tell.

Thank you for your effort.

 

Regards,

 

 

Satish--- On Tue, 1/26/10, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote:

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish,

 

Your niece is expected to deliver a baby child after May 2010. Is it true ?

 

The delivery might be caesarean.

Ramesh Mishrarcmastro--- On Tue, 26/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comTuesday, 26 January, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

My neice got married on March2,2006 at Delhi Time 0910 hrs. The child to be born ,would be her first child. BTR was not found necessary,in my opinion as lagna sublord Merc was related to Moon.

 

Regards,

 

Satish.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, January 25, 2010, 12:01 PM



Dear Satishji,

 

I presume that it is her 1st delivery. Have you rectified Birth

time? When was her marriage?

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

- R Satish

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Re: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

 

This group's attempt is to predict the gender, a path which KSK avoided.

 

My neice's case is an oppurtunity:

 

1. to list and apply the various formulae for gender identification.

 

2. to predict the date of the birth of the child waiting to be born.

 

 

I am waiting for our friends to avail this chance to move forward.It does not

 

really matter if you are off the mark.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comThursday, January 21, 2010, 11:10 PM

Dear Satish,Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>  Dear Friends,>  >                      For those interested in trying their hand , in a live case study.>  >  My neice staying presently at Hyd, is keeping everyone guessing.>  >  Birth details May

29,1979 time 1045 am. Mumbai (Dadar). >  >  1. When will she deliver?>  >  2. What will be the gender of the child?>  >     I failed,so I request the group.>  >         Regards,>  >           Satish>  > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:14

PM> > >  > > > > Child Sex Study.doc (in File section) > Child Gender Prediction Analysis> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 15405?threaded= 1> I never had any experience in pin-pointing before birth...> KP Reader IV p 236 last para> > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskar Sir &  Seniors, I am trying to apply K.P Rules as laid down by S.Gondhalkar Ji & Dr.Kar Ji which are as following:> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.> > > > Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 21621> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Dr. Kar's method)> > Star lord of the sub-sub lord of ascendant and sub-sub lord of ascendant determines the sex of a child. > > > > 1. Reference: Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In "Astrololgy & Atrishta" magazine April 1980.> > 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22175> >   > >

 > > You are requested to help me if these rules apply in all cases or not.It will certainly help in rectification of birth time also.Besides this it is very necessary to know that the birth chart which has been put before an astrologer belongs to male or female or none of these two.Does odd number denote male sign and even number denote female sign or which are male and female signs?Besides this I have been given few problems to solve.I have been challenged by some one & given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > >  > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > (B) identify the gender of these children> >  > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > >  > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM> >

 (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> >  (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> >  (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > >  > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> >  Set - 2> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> >  and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> >  > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis

is given against their birth particulars:> >  > >  > > Set - I> >  (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> >  My above analysis may be wrong(1)If rectified

time is incorrect & sub sub lord of ascendant is incorrect (2) If further calculation is wrong that the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, is posited in a which star and  whose lord is situated in a male sign or in female sign.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, January 19, 2010 10:03:08 PM> > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> > > >  > > Dear Mishra ji,> >

//Respected Seniors, I want to thank Bhaskar Sir firstly who replied me promptly regarding the subject noted above.But he is requested again not to twist the fact what I have requested clearly.I am employed in Judicial department and perhaps it is known to me what is crime..I am not intended to identify gender of unborn baby.But there must be tested K.P rules to identify gender of any native whose birth chart is placed before an astrologer.My query in this regard is neither vague nor misconceived nor violating any law. It is also made clear that prediction regarding gender of unborn baby is quite different thing to that of identifying  gender of any native whose birth chart is already erected and placed before an astrologer./ /> > Kind Sir..> > I am not twisting any facts... I have nothing to gain from this...I do not even know you in any which way dear Mishra

ji...I just mentioned what I should, and what I must...> > In your previous post you never demarcated that you wish to determine gender for the "already born".> > I mentioned the legal factor only perchance thinking that you may not know it... I really do not know that you are connected to the judicial..> > Again even if you like to test the "already tested" rules, on persons who have been "already born", may I humbly ask you out of curiosity, that what purpose will this serve ?> > best regards,> > Bhaskar.> >  > >  > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > While appreciating your stance of predicting Gender , and also sparing efforts and time for

research on this, yes rules are there , but how much will they work , and in hands of whom - is a question mark, and to what purposeto serve again is another question mark. > > > > > > Predicting Male gender will be welcome...for an unborn child to his parents. But what if this prediction turns false ? > > > > > > Predicting a daughter by an astrologer may force abortion to and by the parents. What if after abortion it is found that the child was a male ? (I do not know the medical rules whether the child is aborted after gender determination and when the gender can be realised - after what period in the womb )Anyway Gender determination is a legal crime in the law of this country. > > > > > > And to make spectacular predictions for momentary applauses ? Is it worth it ? I mean the time, efforts and research work ?> > > > > > Sorry please ignore my

mail if not found proper. But I do not mean to discourage. > > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra dhirendranathmisra@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Seniors,> > > >                              I have read some where that :> > > >

                                                                       (1)Gender of native can be

identified from the sub sub lord of ascendant and its placement in a particular sign.If it is posited in male sign then the concerned native is male or female if sub sub lord is posited in female sign.But in many cases this method does not apply.If I am not wrong in this perspective the even sign denotes female gender and odd sign denotes male gender.> > > >

                                                                       (2)Secondly I have found that sub lord of

the ascendant in the chart of father is common as sub lord of the 9th cusp in birth charts of sons and daughters who are born of the same father.I am not confident as to whether this condition will apply every where or it will fail.> > > >

                                                                       (3) I have been challenged by some one

& given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> > > >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > > > > > > > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > > > (B) identify the gender of these children> > > > > > > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM>

> > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > > > > > > > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> > > > Set - 2> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> > > > and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> > > > > > > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis is given

against their birth particulars:> > > > > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> > > > > > > > > > >

> Please guide me regarding the above matter at the earliest.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Dear Sirs,

//If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively.Subhash Ektare Ji :IT IS NOT CORRECT ALL THE TIMES.//It must apply in all cases,If your interpretation is correct or formula is correct.

 

Here is another example of my son:DOB-06.04.1998,POB-Haldwani,Longitude-79E31,Latitude-29N13TOB-10:10:48AM.Ayanamsa-KNA,Software-KP StarOne

Sub lord of ascendant-Venus

Sub lord of Venus -Moon

Moon is posited in a star lord of which is Mercury

Mercury is posited in pisces a female sign.But native is Male

What happend to rule?

Adithkashinath Ji also do not agree with this doubtfull method which often failed in many cases.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 10:12:37 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

As per my s/w....Astro- Kundali.. ....for DOB 20 April 1959 TOB 8:15:56 POB Basti (UP) 82 E 44 34; 26 N 47 42 (as per Google Earth)

 

Lagna is Taurus 21-53-46 Ven-Moon-Ven-Sat Ayanamsha KP 23-11-31

 

Rule given by Dhirendra Misra ji in his mail is reproduced below:

 

//Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.//

 

As I understood the Rule.....there is no mention of sub-sub lord any where.

Please note that it says......the sub-lord (not sub-sub-lord) of the sub-lord (once again not the sub-sub-lord) of the Ascendant

Here sub-lord of the Asc is Ven

Therefore when we say sub-lord of the sub-lord of Asc it means sub-lord of Ven (who is the sub lord of Asc).

Ven is in Taurus 12-59-38.... ...Ven-Moon-Rah-Mer

Sub-lord of Ven is Rah......... .This Rahu is posited in star of Moon (Rah in Virgo 19-05-02.... Mer-Moon-Mer-Rah)

Now, as per above rule if Moon is in male sign child will be male or else female. In this case Moon is posited in Leo a male sign so the native should be male according to me.

 

Secondly, as far as I know, Mr. Gondhalekar ji has given a rule for determining the sex of a baby yet to be born by analyzing 5 CSL of mother (as against Asc sub lord in this case) and he never resorted to sub-sub level unless warranted, that too, in very rare cases. Therefore, Mr Gondhalekar is the right person, in my humble opinion, to enlighten us regarding the Rule and my interpretation of the rule.

 

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comMon, February 1, 2010 9:09:17 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subash,

 

You seem to have got the formula differently. If you could present the case in totality we would understand better. I have got different values for Lagna Taurus21-59- 59.using Jyotish Deepika SW

 

1. Lagna 21-59-59 is Ven,Moon,Ven, Jup Ayanamsa New23-11-57

 

2. Sub-sub Jup® Scorp 7-14-5 Mar,Sat.Ven, Sat

 

3.sub sub Sat® in Sagg 13-51-20 Jup,Ven,Ven Moon.

 

4.starlord of Sat Ven is in Taurus 12-59-16 an even sign hence female gender. Subject is a Male.

 

 

Conclusion. Either the formula does not apply or else

 

Birth time needs correction

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, February 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

 

 

Dear Misra ji/ Lajmi ji,

 

Sorry for the interruption ! You have said.....

 

//I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.//

 

As per the birth details given, sub lord of Asc is Ven. Now sub lord of Ven (i.e. sub lord of the sub lord of Asc) is Rahu and not Saturn. Rahu is situated in the star of Moon and Moon is deposited in Leo, a male sign (in your Natal chart). So the gender of the native should be Male as stated in the rule. So the Rule, if stated correctly, does not fail.

 

My interpretation of the Rule is:

 

1. Sub lord of Asc is .......Ven

 

2. Sub lord of sub lord of Asc i.e. Ven is........Rahu ( Ven is in Taurus sign, Moon star and Rahu sub.......thus sub lord of Ven is Rah)

 

3. Rahu is in the star of Moon {making Moon as star lord of the sub lord (Rah) of the sub of Asc (Ven)}

 

4. Moon is in Leo a male sign.

 

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comCc: Yogeshlajmi@ Sun, January 31, 2010 8:06:45 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Respected Lajmi Sir,I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us.

 

I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.

Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable.Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives.

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

amit desai <amitwho >@gro ups.comSat, January 30, 2010 8:35:02 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Yogeshji

 

after reading this mail of yours I instantly applied the rule in my and my wife's chart and in both it indicates Girl and this ndication is absolutely true.

 

well shall keep checking for more

 

Regards Amit Desai

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Fri, January 29, 2010 5:58:06 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Mr.Misra,

I have been using Gondhalekar' s method since it was first introduced and so far,I have got extremely accurate results..

The Rule is :

"If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Vth cusp,is posited in a star,whose lord is

posited in a Male Sign(ODD Sign), a boy will be born...of in a Female(Even Sign),a Female..."

Where is the question of eight planets as you hypothesise needlessly ?

Instead ,why don't you apply the Rule properly to a given actual case and then post it as an example...(It was prived right in the most recent case of Satishji's neice... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comThu, 28 January, 2010 10:26:01 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dr.Anjana Agarwal Ji,How do you identify gender of unborn baby,if there is no perfect rule in this regard.You are requested to make it clear.This thread was opened by me but none of the members took interest to reveal perfect rule in this regard. Although I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us. TW JI has replied thus:Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards, TWDetermining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable] (Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives. With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com; R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com>Thu, January 28, 2010 7:40:00 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

Female child till 2/02/2010 sa-ju-ju-ra- sat

 

5th house sgl ma, stl me, sl me

ma stl ve sl mo, me st mo sl ra

me 5th CSL (10-3,12)stl mo(12,1), sl ra (2 (sgn su 10,2)), conj su (10,2), ve (10-4,11), aspected by sa in 1-7,8, ra in 2

 

12 and 8 house involved so possibility of caesarean is there

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Naresh Valecha <superstaar_n_ v wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Satish, If u say the child is to be born in a couple of days then the earliest possible time as per RP's is when Moon transits in its own sign Cancer in the Star-Sub of Mercury and its a Saturday. Mars being in Cancer too with Moon on that day indicates a caesarion birth of a female child.

Naresh Valecha --- On Wed, 27/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comWednesday, 27 January, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

The child is expected to be born any time now.Ceasarian or not ,time will tell.

Thank you for your effort.

 

Regards,

 

 

Satish--- On Tue, 1/26/10, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote:

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish,

 

Your niece is expected to deliver a baby child after May 2010. Is it true ?

 

The delivery might be caesarean.

Ramesh Mishrarcmastro--- On Tue, 26/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comTuesday, 26 January, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

My neice got married on March2,2006 at Delhi Time 0910 hrs. The child to be born ,would be her first child. BTR was not found necessary,in my opinion as lagna sublord Merc was related to Moon.

 

Regards,

 

Satish.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, January 25, 2010, 12:01 PM



Dear Satishji,

 

I presume that it is her 1st delivery. Have you rectified Birth

time? When was her marriage?

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

- R Satish

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Re: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

 

This group's attempt is to predict the gender, a path which KSK avoided.

 

My neice's case is an oppurtunity:

 

1. to list and apply the various formulae for gender identification.

 

2. to predict the date of the birth of the child waiting to be born.

 

 

I am waiting for our friends to avail this chance to move forward.It does not

 

really matter if you are off the mark.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comThursday, January 21, 2010, 11:10 PM

Dear Satish,Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>  Dear Friends,>  >                      For those interested in trying their hand , in a live case study.>  >  My neice staying presently at Hyd, is keeping everyone guessing.>  >  Birth details May

29,1979 time 1045 am. Mumbai (Dadar). >  >  1. When will she deliver?>  >  2. What will be the gender of the child?>  >     I failed,so I request the group.>  >         Regards,>  >           Satish>  > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:14

PM> > >  > > > > Child Sex Study.doc (in File section) > Child Gender Prediction Analysis> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 15405?threaded= 1> I never had any experience in pin-pointing before birth...> KP Reader IV p 236 last para> > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskar Sir &  Seniors, I am trying to apply K.P Rules as laid down by S.Gondhalkar Ji & Dr.Kar Ji which are as following:> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.> > > > Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 21621> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Dr. Kar's method)> > Star lord of the sub-sub lord of ascendant and sub-sub lord of ascendant determines the sex of a child. > > > > 1. Reference: Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In "Astrololgy & Atrishta" magazine April 1980.> > 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22175> >   > >

 > > You are requested to help me if these rules apply in all cases or not.It will certainly help in rectification of birth time also.Besides this it is very necessary to know that the birth chart which has been put before an astrologer belongs to male or female or none of these two.Does odd number denote male sign and even number denote female sign or which are male and female signs?Besides this I have been given few problems to solve.I have been challenged by some one & given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > >  > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > (B) identify the gender of these children> >  > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > >  > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM> >

 (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> >  (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> >  (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > >  > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> >  Set - 2> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> >  and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> >  > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis

is given against their birth particulars:> >  > >  > > Set - I> >  (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> >  My above analysis may be wrong(1)If rectified

time is incorrect & sub sub lord of ascendant is incorrect (2) If further calculation is wrong that the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, is posited in a which star and  whose lord is situated in a male sign or in female sign.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, January 19, 2010 10:03:08 PM> > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> > > >  > > Dear Mishra ji,> >

//Respected Seniors, I want to thank Bhaskar Sir firstly who replied me promptly regarding the subject noted above.But he is requested again not to twist the fact what I have requested clearly.I am employed in Judicial department and perhaps it is known to me what is crime..I am not intended to identify gender of unborn baby.But there must be tested K.P rules to identify gender of any native whose birth chart is placed before an astrologer.My query in this regard is neither vague nor misconceived nor violating any law. It is also made clear that prediction regarding gender of unborn baby is quite different thing to that of identifying  gender of any native whose birth chart is already erected and placed before an astrologer./ /> > Kind Sir..> > I am not twisting any facts... I have nothing to gain from this...I do not even know you in any which way dear Mishra

ji...I just mentioned what I should, and what I must...> > In your previous post you never demarcated that you wish to determine gender for the "already born".> > I mentioned the legal factor only perchance thinking that you may not know it... I really do not know that you are connected to the judicial..> > Again even if you like to test the "already tested" rules, on persons who have been "already born", may I humbly ask you out of curiosity, that what purpose will this serve ?> > best regards,> > Bhaskar.> >  > >  > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > While appreciating your stance of predicting Gender , and also sparing efforts and time for

research on this, yes rules are there , but how much will they work , and in hands of whom - is a question mark, and to what purposeto serve again is another question mark. > > > > > > Predicting Male gender will be welcome...for an unborn child to his parents. But what if this prediction turns false ? > > > > > > Predicting a daughter by an astrologer may force abortion to and by the parents. What if after abortion it is found that the child was a male ? (I do not know the medical rules whether the child is aborted after gender determination and when the gender can be realised - after what period in the womb )Anyway Gender determination is a legal crime in the law of this country. > > > > > > And to make spectacular predictions for momentary applauses ? Is it worth it ? I mean the time, efforts and research work ?> > > > > > Sorry please ignore my

mail if not found proper. But I do not mean to discourage. > > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra dhirendranathmisra@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Seniors,> > > >                              I have read some where that :> > > >

                                                                       (1)Gender of native can be

identified from the sub sub lord of ascendant and its placement in a particular sign.If it is posited in male sign then the concerned native is male or female if sub sub lord is posited in female sign.But in many cases this method does not apply.If I am not wrong in this perspective the even sign denotes female gender and odd sign denotes male gender.> > > >

                                                                       (2)Secondly I have found that sub lord of

the ascendant in the chart of father is common as sub lord of the 9th cusp in birth charts of sons and daughters who are born of the same father.I am not confident as to whether this condition will apply every where or it will fail.> > > >

                                                                       (3) I have been challenged by some one

& given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> > > >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > > > > > > > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > > > (B) identify the gender of these children> > > > > > > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM>

> > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > > > > > > > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> > > > Set - 2> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> > > > and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> > > > > > > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis is given

against their birth particulars:> > > > > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> > > > > > > > > > >

> Please guide me regarding the above matter at the earliest.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Dear Members,The said RULE was quoted by Dhirendra Nath Misra ji and not by me. His analysis was based on sub-sub lords of Asc. However the rule says sub lord and not sub-sub lord. I have just pointed out this difference.I have never come across this rule in 4 step book, nor heard Mr. Gondhalekar ji quoting it anytime. In this connection message # 30760 on 20 Jan 2010 by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji clearly gives his views also.Regards,Subhash EktareDhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 9:18:26 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

//If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively.Subhash Ektare Ji :IT IS NOT CORRECT ALL THE TIMES.//It must apply in all cases,If your interpretation is correct or formula is correct.

 

Here is another example of my son:DOB-06.04. 1998,POB- Haldwani, Longitude- 79E31,Latitude- 29N13TOB-10:10:48AM. Ayanamsa- KNA,Software- KP StarOne

Sub lord of ascendant-Venus

Sub lord of Venus -Moon

Moon is posited in a star lord of which is Mercury

Mercury is posited in pisces a female sign.But native is Male

What happend to rule?

Adithkashinath Ji also do not agree with this doubtfull method which often failed in many cases.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 10:12:37 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

As per my s/w....Astro- Kundali.. ....for DOB 20 April 1959 TOB 8:15:56 POB Basti (UP) 82 E 44 34; 26 N 47 42 (as per Google Earth)

 

Lagna is Taurus 21-53-46 Ven-Moon-Ven-Sat Ayanamsha KP 23-11-31

 

Rule given by Dhirendra Misra ji in his mail is reproduced below:

 

//Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.//

 

As I understood the Rule.....there is no mention of sub-sub lord any where.

Please note that it says......the sub-lord (not sub-sub-lord) of the sub-lord (once again not the sub-sub-lord) of the Ascendant

Here sub-lord of the Asc is Ven

Therefore when we say sub-lord of the sub-lord of Asc it means sub-lord of Ven (who is the sub lord of Asc).

Ven is in Taurus 12-59-38.... ...Ven-Moon-Rah-Mer

Sub-lord of Ven is Rah......... .This Rahu is posited in star of Moon (Rah in Virgo 19-05-02.... Mer-Moon-Mer-Rah)

Now, as per above rule if Moon is in male sign child will be male or else female. In this case Moon is posited in Leo a male sign so the native should be male according to me.

 

Secondly, as far as I know, Mr. Gondhalekar ji has given a rule for determining the sex of a baby yet to be born by analyzing 5 CSL of mother (as against Asc sub lord in this case) and he never resorted to sub-sub level unless warranted, that too, in very rare cases. Therefore, Mr Gondhalekar is the right person, in my humble opinion, to enlighten us regarding the Rule and my interpretation of the rule.

 

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comMon, February 1, 2010 9:09:17 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subash,

 

You seem to have got the formula differently. If you could present the case in totality we would understand better. I have got different values for Lagna Taurus21-59- 59.using Jyotish Deepika SW

 

1. Lagna 21-59-59 is Ven,Moon,Ven, Jup Ayanamsa New23-11-57

 

2. Sub-sub Jup® Scorp 7-14-5 Mar,Sat.Ven, Sat

 

3.sub sub Sat® in Sagg 13-51-20 Jup,Ven,Ven Moon.

 

4.starlord of Sat Ven is in Taurus 12-59-16 an even sign hence female gender. Subject is a Male.

 

 

Conclusion. Either the formula does not apply or else

 

Birth time needs correction

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, February 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

 

 

Dear Misra ji/ Lajmi ji,

 

Sorry for the interruption ! You have said.....

 

//I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.//

 

As per the birth details given, sub lord of Asc is Ven. Now sub lord of Ven (i.e. sub lord of the sub lord of Asc) is Rahu and not Saturn. Rahu is situated in the star of Moon and Moon is deposited in Leo, a male sign (in your Natal chart). So the gender of the native should be Male as stated in the rule. So the Rule, if stated correctly, does not fail.

 

My interpretation of the Rule is:

 

1. Sub lord of Asc is .......Ven

 

2. Sub lord of sub lord of Asc i.e. Ven is........Rahu ( Ven is in Taurus sign, Moon star and Rahu sub.......thus sub lord of Ven is Rah)

 

3. Rahu is in the star of Moon {making Moon as star lord of the sub lord (Rah) of the sub of Asc (Ven)}

 

4. Moon is in Leo a male sign.

 

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comCc: Yogeshlajmi@ Sun, January 31, 2010 8:06:45 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Respected Lajmi Sir,I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us.

 

I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.

Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable.Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives.

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

amit desai <amitwho >@gro ups.comSat, January 30, 2010 8:35:02 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Yogeshji

 

after reading this mail of yours I instantly applied the rule in my and my wife's chart and in both it indicates Girl and this ndication is absolutely true.

 

well shall keep checking for more

 

Regards Amit Desai

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Fri, January 29, 2010 5:58:06 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Mr.Misra,

I have been using Gondhalekar' s method since it was first introduced and so far,I have got extremely accurate results..

The Rule is :

"If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Vth cusp,is posited in a star,whose lord is

posited in a Male Sign(ODD Sign), a boy will be born...of in a Female(Even Sign),a Female..."

Where is the question of eight planets as you hypothesise needlessly ?

Instead ,why don't you apply the Rule properly to a given actual case and then post it as an example...(It was prived right in the most recent case of Satishji's neice... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comThu, 28 January, 2010 10:26:01 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dr.Anjana Agarwal Ji,How do you identify gender of unborn baby,if there is no perfect rule in this regard.You are requested to make it clear.This thread was opened by me but none of the members took interest to reveal perfect rule in this regard. Although I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us. TW JI has replied thus:Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards, TWDetermining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable] (Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the

sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives. With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com; R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com>Thu, January 28, 2010 7:40:00 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

Female child till 2/02/2010 sa-ju-ju-ra- sat

 

5th house sgl ma, stl me, sl me

ma stl ve sl mo, me st mo sl ra

me 5th CSL (10-3,12)stl mo(12,1), sl ra (2 (sgn su 10,2)), conj su (10,2), ve (10-4,11), aspected by sa in 1-7,8, ra in 2

 

12 and 8 house involved so possibility of caesarean is there

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Naresh Valecha <superstaar_n_ v wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Satish, If u say the child is to be born in a couple of days then the earliest possible time as per RP's is when Moon transits in its own sign Cancer in the Star-Sub of Mercury and its a Saturday. Mars being in Cancer too with Moon on that day indicates a caesarion birth of a female child.

Naresh Valecha --- On Wed, 27/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comWednesday, 27 January, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

The child is expected to be born any time now.Ceasarian or not ,time will tell.

Thank you for your effort.

 

Regards,

 

 

Satish--- On Tue, 1/26/10, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote:

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish,

 

Your niece is expected to deliver a baby child after May 2010. Is it true ?

 

The delivery might be caesarean.

Ramesh Mishrarcmastro--- On Tue, 26/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comTuesday, 26 January, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

My neice got married on March2,2006 at Delhi Time 0910 hrs. The child to be born ,would be her first child. BTR was not found necessary,in my opinion as lagna sublord Merc was related to Moon.

 

Regards,

 

Satish.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, January 25, 2010, 12:01 PM



Dear Satishji,

 

I presume that it is her 1st delivery. Have you rectified Birth

time? When was her marriage?

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

- R Satish

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Re: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

 

This group's attempt is to predict the gender, a path which KSK avoided.

 

My neice's case is an oppurtunity:

 

1. to list and apply the various formulae for gender identification.

 

2. to predict the date of the birth of the child waiting to be born.

 

 

I am waiting for our friends to avail this chance to move forward.It does not

 

really matter if you are off the mark.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comThursday, January 21, 2010, 11:10 PM

Dear Satish,Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>  Dear Friends,>  >                      For those interested in trying their hand , in a live case study.>  >  My neice staying presently at Hyd, is keeping everyone guessing.>  >  Birth details May

29,1979 time 1045 am. Mumbai (Dadar). >  >  1. When will she deliver?>  >  2. What will be the gender of the child?>  >     I failed,so I request the group.>  >         Regards,>  >           Satish>  > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:14

PM> > >  > > > > Child Sex Study.doc (in File section) > Child Gender Prediction Analysis> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 15405?threaded= 1> I never had any experience in pin-pointing before birth...> KP Reader IV p 236 last para> > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskar Sir &  Seniors, I am trying to apply K.P Rules as laid down by S.Gondhalkar Ji & Dr.Kar Ji which are as following:> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > If the sub-lord of the

sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.> > > > Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 21621> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Dr. Kar's method)> > Star lord of the sub-sub lord of ascendant and sub-sub lord of ascendant determines the sex of a child. > > > > 1. Reference: Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In "Astrololgy & Atrishta" magazine April 1980.> > 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22175> >

  > >

 > > You are requested to help me if these rules apply in all cases or not.It will certainly help in rectification of birth time also.Besides this it is very necessary to know that the birth chart which has been put before an astrologer belongs to male or female or none of these two.Does odd number denote male sign and even number denote female sign or which are male and female signs?Besides this I have been given few problems to solve.I have been challenged by some one & given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > >  > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > (B) identify the gender of these children> >  > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > >  > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM> >

 (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> >  (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> >  (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > >  > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> >  Set - 2> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> >  and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> >  > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis

is given against their birth particulars:> >  > >  > > Set - I> >  (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> >  My above analysis may be wrong(1)If rectified

time is incorrect & sub sub lord of ascendant is incorrect (2) If further calculation is wrong that the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, is posited in a which star and  whose lord is situated in a male sign or in female sign.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, January 19, 2010 10:03:08 PM> > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> > > >  > > Dear Mishra ji,> >

//Respected Seniors, I want to thank Bhaskar Sir firstly who replied me promptly regarding the subject noted above.But he is requested again not to twist the fact what I have requested clearly.I am employed in Judicial department and perhaps it is known to me what is crime..I am not intended to identify gender of unborn baby.But there must be tested K.P rules to identify gender of any native whose birth chart is placed before an astrologer.My query in this regard is neither vague nor misconceived nor violating any law. It is also made clear that prediction regarding gender of unborn baby is quite different thing to that of identifying  gender of any native whose birth chart is already erected and placed before an astrologer./ /> > Kind Sir..> > I am not twisting any facts... I have nothing to gain from this...I do not even know you in any which way dear Mishra

ji...I just mentioned what I should, and what I must...> > In your previous post you never demarcated that you wish to determine gender for the "already born".> > I mentioned the legal factor only perchance thinking that you may not know it... I really do not know that you are connected to the judicial..> > Again even if you like to test the "already tested" rules, on persons who have been "already born", may I humbly ask you out of curiosity, that what purpose will this serve ?> > best regards,> > Bhaskar.> >  > >  > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > While appreciating your stance of predicting Gender , and also sparing efforts and time

for

research on this, yes rules are there , but how much will they work , and in hands of whom - is a question mark, and to what purposeto serve again is another question mark. > > > > > > Predicting Male gender will be welcome...for an unborn child to his parents. But what if this prediction turns false ? > > > > > > Predicting a daughter by an astrologer may force abortion to and by the parents. What if after abortion it is found that the child was a male ? (I do not know the medical rules whether the child is aborted after gender determination and when the gender can be realised - after what period in the womb )Anyway Gender determination is a legal crime in the law of this country. > > > > > > And to make spectacular predictions for momentary applauses ? Is it worth it ? I mean the time, efforts and research work ?> > > > > > Sorry please ignore my

mail if not found proper. But I do not mean to discourage. > > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra dhirendranathmisra@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Seniors,> > > >                              I have read some where that :> > > >

                                                                       (1)Gender of native can be

identified from the sub sub lord of ascendant and its placement in a particular sign.If it is posited in male sign then the concerned native is male or female if sub sub lord is posited in female sign.But in many cases this method does not apply.If I am not wrong in this perspective the even sign denotes female gender and odd sign denotes male gender.> > > >

                                                                       (2)Secondly I have found that sub lord of

the ascendant in the chart of father is common as sub lord of the 9th cusp in birth charts of sons and daughters who are born of the same father.I am not confident as to whether this condition will apply every where or it will fail.> > > >

                                                                       (3) I have been challenged by some one

& given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> > > >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > > > > > > > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > > > (B) identify the gender of these children> > > > > > > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM>

> > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > > > > > > > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> > > > Set - 2> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> > > > and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> > > > > > > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis is given

against their birth particulars:> > > > > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> > > > > > > > > > >

> Please guide me regarding the above matter at the earliest.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Dear Members,I again put here that If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively.I am not twisting the fact nor rule.Result for the given problem at 10:10:48AM time comes female gender.Although Lajmi ji has suggested that TOB should be taken 9:55AM and it will indicate male gender if the above cited method is applied.But Lajmi Ji and Adith Ji also says that it is not 100% correct method.I still insist upon what did I say.In this regard or with regard to other matters I will be always in search of 100% correct rules and I don't wish to extoll K.P blindly.I always thank and owe to Dr.Rath,Kalyan Ji,TWJi,Lajmi Ji,Adhith Ji,Punit Ji,Amit Ji and few others who always tried to guide me in right direction.There is still an unanswered question that Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then will this rule not indicate a common

result for all natives.Again which factor is found common in charts of sisters and brothers born of same father and mother?This factor is not usefull for any prediction but certainly usefull for BTR.I am collecting many more reliable birth details to make a search if any rule can be framed in this regard.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 3:58:39 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Members,

 

The said RULE was quoted by Dhirendra Nath Misra ji and not by me. His analysis was based on sub-sub lords of Asc. However the rule says sub lord and not sub-sub lord. I have just pointed out this difference.

 

I have never come across this rule in 4 step book, nor heard Mr. Gondhalekar ji quoting it anytime. In this connection message # 30760 on 20 Jan 2010 by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji clearly gives his views also.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 9:18:26 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

//If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively.Subhash Ektare Ji :IT IS NOT CORRECT ALL THE TIMES.//It must apply in all cases,If your interpretation is correct or formula is correct.

 

Here is another example of my son:DOB-06.04. 1998,POB- Haldwani, Longitude- 79E31,Latitude- 29N13TOB-10:10:48AM. Ayanamsa- KNA,Software- KP StarOne

Sub lord of ascendant-Venus

Sub lord of Venus -Moon

Moon is posited in a star lord of which is Mercury

Mercury is posited in pisces a female sign.But native is Male

What happend to rule?

Adithkashinath Ji also do not agree with this doubtfull method which often failed in many cases.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 10:12:37 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

As per my s/w....Astro- Kundali.. ....for DOB 20 April 1959 TOB 8:15:56 POB Basti (UP) 82 E 44 34; 26 N 47 42 (as per Google Earth)

 

Lagna is Taurus 21-53-46 Ven-Moon-Ven-Sat Ayanamsha KP 23-11-31

 

Rule given by Dhirendra Misra ji in his mail is reproduced below:

 

//Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.//

 

As I understood the Rule.....there is no mention of sub-sub lord any where.

Please note that it says......the sub-lord (not sub-sub-lord) of the sub-lord (once again not the sub-sub-lord) of the Ascendant

Here sub-lord of the Asc is Ven

Therefore when we say sub-lord of the sub-lord of Asc it means sub-lord of Ven (who is the sub lord of Asc).

Ven is in Taurus 12-59-38.... ...Ven-Moon-Rah-Mer

Sub-lord of Ven is Rah......... .This Rahu is posited in star of Moon (Rah in Virgo 19-05-02.... Mer-Moon-Mer-Rah)

Now, as per above rule if Moon is in male sign child will be male or else female. In this case Moon is posited in Leo a male sign so the native should be male according to me.

 

Secondly, as far as I know, Mr. Gondhalekar ji has given a rule for determining the sex of a baby yet to be born by analyzing 5 CSL of mother (as against Asc sub lord in this case) and he never resorted to sub-sub level unless warranted, that too, in very rare cases. Therefore, Mr Gondhalekar is the right person, in my humble opinion, to enlighten us regarding the Rule and my interpretation of the rule.

 

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comMon, February 1, 2010 9:09:17 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subash,

You seem to have got the formula differently. If you could present the case in totality we would understand better. I have got different values for Lagna Taurus21-59- 59.using Jyotish Deepika SW

 

1. Lagna 21-59-59 is Ven,Moon,Ven, Jup Ayanamsa New23-11-57

 

2. Sub-sub Jup® Scorp 7-14-5 Mar,Sat.Ven, Sat

 

3.sub sub Sat® in Sagg 13-51-20 Jup,Ven,Ven Moon.

 

4.starlord of Sat Ven is in Taurus 12-59-16 an even sign hence female gender. Subject is a Male.

 

 

Conclusion. Either the formula does not apply or else

 

Birth time needs correction

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, February 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

 

 

Dear Misra ji/ Lajmi ji,

 

Sorry for the interruption ! You have said.....

 

//I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.//

 

As per the birth details given, sub lord of Asc is Ven. Now sub lord of Ven (i.e. sub lord of the sub lord of Asc) is Rahu and not Saturn. Rahu is situated in the star of Moon and Moon is deposited in Leo, a male sign (in your Natal chart). So the gender of the native should be Male as stated in the rule. So the Rule, if stated correctly, does not fail.

 

My interpretation of the Rule is:

 

1. Sub lord of Asc is .......Ven

 

2. Sub lord of sub lord of Asc i.e. Ven is........Rahu ( Ven is in Taurus sign, Moon star and Rahu sub.......thus sub lord of Ven is Rah)

 

3. Rahu is in the star of Moon {making Moon as star lord of the sub lord (Rah) of the sub of Asc (Ven)}

 

4. Moon is in Leo a male sign.

 

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comCc: Yogeshlajmi@ Sun, January 31, 2010 8:06:45 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Respected Lajmi Sir,I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us.

 

I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.

Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable.Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives.

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

amit desai <amitwho >@gro ups.comSat, January 30, 2010 8:35:02 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Yogeshji

 

after reading this mail of yours I instantly applied the rule in my and my wife's chart and in both it indicates Girl and this ndication is absolutely true.

 

well shall keep checking for more

 

Regards Amit Desai

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Fri, January 29, 2010 5:58:06 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Mr.Misra,

I have been using Gondhalekar' s method since it was first introduced and so far,I have got extremely accurate results..

The Rule is :

"If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Vth cusp,is posited in a star,whose lord is

posited in a Male Sign(ODD Sign), a boy will be born...of in a Female(Even Sign),a Female..."

Where is the question of eight planets as you hypothesise needlessly ?

Instead ,why don't you apply the Rule properly to a given actual case and then post it as an example...(It was prived right in the most recent case of Satishji's neice... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comThu, 28 January, 2010 10:26:01 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dr.Anjana Agarwal Ji,How do you identify gender of unborn baby,if there is no perfect rule in this regard.You are requested to make it clear.This thread was opened by me but none of the members took interest to reveal perfect rule in this regard. Although I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us. TW JI has replied thus:Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards, TWDetermining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable] (Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives. With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com; R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com>Thu, January 28, 2010 7:40:00 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

Female child till 2/02/2010 sa-ju-ju-ra- sat

 

5th house sgl ma, stl me, sl me

ma stl ve sl mo, me st mo sl ra

me 5th CSL (10-3,12)stl mo(12,1), sl ra (2 (sgn su 10,2)), conj su (10,2), ve (10-4,11), aspected by sa in 1-7,8, ra in 2

 

12 and 8 house involved so possibility of caesarean is there

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Naresh Valecha <superstaar_n_ v wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Satish, If u say the child is to be born in a couple of days then the earliest possible time as per RP's is when Moon transits in its own sign Cancer in the Star-Sub of Mercury and its a Saturday. Mars being in Cancer too with Moon on that day indicates a caesarion birth of a female child.

Naresh Valecha --- On Wed, 27/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comWednesday, 27 January, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

The child is expected to be born any time now.Ceasarian or not ,time will tell.

Thank you for your effort.

 

Regards,

 

 

Satish--- On Tue, 1/26/10, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote:

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish,

 

Your niece is expected to deliver a baby child after May 2010. Is it true ?

 

The delivery might be caesarean.

Ramesh Mishrarcmastro--- On Tue, 26/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comTuesday, 26 January, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

My neice got married on March2,2006 at Delhi Time 0910 hrs. The child to be born ,would be her first child. BTR was not found necessary,in my opinion as lagna sublord Merc was related to Moon.

 

Regards,

 

Satish.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, January 25, 2010, 12:01 PM



Dear Satishji,

 

I presume that it is her 1st delivery. Have you rectified Birth

time? When was her marriage?

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

- R Satish

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Re: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

 

This group's attempt is to predict the gender, a path which KSK avoided.

 

My neice's case is an oppurtunity:

 

1. to list and apply the various formulae for gender identification.

 

2. to predict the date of the birth of the child waiting to be born.

 

 

I am waiting for our friends to avail this chance to move forward.It does not

 

really matter if you are off the mark.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comThursday, January 21, 2010, 11:10 PM

Dear Satish,Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>  Dear Friends,>  >                      For those interested in trying their hand , in a live case study.>  >  My neice staying presently at Hyd, is keeping everyone guessing.>  >  Birth details May

29,1979 time 1045 am. Mumbai (Dadar). >  >  1. When will she deliver?>  >  2. What will be the gender of the child?>  >     I failed,so I request the group.>  >         Regards,>  >           Satish>  > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:14

PM> > >  > > > > Child Sex Study.doc (in File section) > Child Gender Prediction Analysis> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 15405?threaded= 1> I never had any experience in pin-pointing before birth...> KP Reader IV p 236 last para> > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskar Sir &  Seniors, I am trying to apply K.P Rules as laid down by S.Gondhalkar Ji & Dr.Kar Ji which are as following:> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.> > > > Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 21621> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Dr. Kar's method)> > Star lord of the sub-sub lord of ascendant and sub-sub lord of ascendant determines the sex of a child. > > > > 1. Reference: Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In "Astrololgy & Atrishta" magazine April 1980.> > 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22175> >   > >

 > > You are requested to help me if these rules apply in all cases or not.It will certainly help in rectification of birth time also.Besides this it is very necessary to know that the birth chart which has been put before an astrologer belongs to male or female or none of these two.Does odd number denote male sign and even number denote female sign or which are male and female signs?Besides this I have been given few problems to solve.I have been challenged by some one & given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > >  > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > (B) identify the gender of these children> >  > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > >  > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM> >

 (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> >  (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> >  (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > >  > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> >  Set - 2> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> >  and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> >  > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis

is given against their birth particulars:> >  > >  > > Set - I> >  (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> >  My above analysis may be wrong(1)If rectified

time is incorrect & sub sub lord of ascendant is incorrect (2) If further calculation is wrong that the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, is posited in a which star and  whose lord is situated in a male sign or in female sign.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, January 19, 2010 10:03:08 PM> > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> > > >  > > Dear Mishra ji,> >

//Respected Seniors, I want to thank Bhaskar Sir firstly who replied me promptly regarding the subject noted above.But he is requested again not to twist the fact what I have requested clearly.I am employed in Judicial department and perhaps it is known to me what is crime..I am not intended to identify gender of unborn baby.But there must be tested K.P rules to identify gender of any native whose birth chart is placed before an astrologer.My query in this regard is neither vague nor misconceived nor violating any law. It is also made clear that prediction regarding gender of unborn baby is quite different thing to that of identifying  gender of any native whose birth chart is already erected and placed before an astrologer./ /> > Kind Sir..> > I am not twisting any facts... I have nothing to gain from this...I do not even know you in any which way dear Mishra

ji...I just mentioned what I should, and what I must...> > In your previous post you never demarcated that you wish to determine gender for the "already born".> > I mentioned the legal factor only perchance thinking that you may not know it... I really do not know that you are connected to the judicial..> > Again even if you like to test the "already tested" rules, on persons who have been "already born", may I humbly ask you out of curiosity, that what purpose will this serve ?> > best regards,> > Bhaskar.> >  > >  > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > While appreciating your stance of predicting Gender , and also sparing efforts and time for

research on this, yes rules are there , but how much will they work , and in hands of whom - is a question mark, and to what purposeto serve again is another question mark. > > > > > > Predicting Male gender will be welcome...for an unborn child to his parents. But what if this prediction turns false ? > > > > > > Predicting a daughter by an astrologer may force abortion to and by the parents. What if after abortion it is found that the child was a male ? (I do not know the medical rules whether the child is aborted after gender determination and when the gender can be realised - after what period in the womb )Anyway Gender determination is a legal crime in the law of this country. > > > > > > And to make spectacular predictions for momentary applauses ? Is it worth it ? I mean the time, efforts and research work ?> > > > > > Sorry please ignore my

mail if not found proper. But I do not mean to discourage. > > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra dhirendranathmisra@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Seniors,> > > >                              I have read some where that :> > > >

                                                                       (1)Gender of native can be

identified from the sub sub lord of ascendant and its placement in a particular sign.If it is posited in male sign then the concerned native is male or female if sub sub lord is posited in female sign.But in many cases this method does not apply.If I am not wrong in this perspective the even sign denotes female gender and odd sign denotes male gender.> > > >

                                                                       (2)Secondly I have found that sub lord of

the ascendant in the chart of father is common as sub lord of the 9th cusp in birth charts of sons and daughters who are born of the same father.I am not confident as to whether this condition will apply every where or it will fail.> > > >

                                                                       (3) I have been challenged by some one

& given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> > > >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > > > > > > > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > > > (B) identify the gender of these children> > > > > > > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM>

> > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > > > > > > > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> > > > Set - 2> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> > > > and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> > > > > > > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis is given

against their birth particulars:> > > > > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> > > > > > > > > > >

> Please guide me regarding the above matter at the earliest.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Dear Misra ji,I never said you are twisting the facts and/or rule. If my interference has hurt your feelings, kindly excuse me. I said that I have never heard this rule from Mr. Gondhalekar. I also agree with you and all seniors that this is not 100% correct method.I appreciate your quest to find out reliable rule through research. I wish you success in your endeavor.Regards, Subhash EktareDhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 8:25:01 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Members,I again put here that If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively. I am not twisting the fact nor rule.Result for the given problem at 10:10:48AM time comes female gender.Although Lajmi ji has suggested that TOB should be taken 9:55AM and it will indicate male gender if the above cited method is applied.But Lajmi Ji and Adith Ji also says that it is not 100% correct method.I still insist upon what did I say.In this regard or with regard to other matters I will be always in search of 100% correct rules and I don't wish to extoll K.P blindly.I always thank and owe to Dr.Rath,Kalyan Ji,TWJi,Lajmi Ji,Adhith Ji,Punit Ji,Amit Ji and few others who always tried to guide me in right direction.There is still an unanswered question that Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then will this rule not indicate a common

result for all natives.Again which factor is found common in charts of sisters and brothers born of same father and mother?This factor is not usefull for any prediction but certainly usefull for BTR.I am collecting many more reliable birth details to make a search if any rule can be framed in this regard.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comThu, February 4, 2010 3:58:39 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Members,

 

The said RULE was quoted by Dhirendra Nath Misra ji and not by me. His analysis was based on sub-sub lords of Asc. However the rule says sub lord and not sub-sub lord. I have just pointed out this difference.

 

I have never come across this rule in 4 step book, nor heard Mr. Gondhalekar ji quoting it anytime. In this connection message # 30760 on 20 Jan 2010 by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji clearly gives his views also.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 9:18:26 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

//If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively.Subhash Ektare Ji :IT IS NOT CORRECT ALL THE TIMES.//It must apply in all cases,If your interpretation is correct or formula is correct.

 

Here is another example of my son:DOB-06.04. 1998,POB- Haldwani, Longitude- 79E31,Latitude- 29N13TOB-10:10:48AM. Ayanamsa- KNA,Software- KP StarOne

Sub lord of ascendant-Venus

Sub lord of Venus -Moon

Moon is posited in a star lord of which is Mercury

Mercury is posited in pisces a female sign.But native is Male

What happend to rule?

Adithkashinath Ji also do not agree with this doubtfull method which often failed in many cases.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 10:12:37 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

As per my s/w....Astro- Kundali.. ....for DOB 20 April 1959 TOB 8:15:56 POB Basti (UP) 82 E 44 34; 26 N 47 42 (as per Google Earth)

 

Lagna is Taurus 21-53-46 Ven-Moon-Ven-Sat Ayanamsha KP 23-11-31

 

Rule given by Dhirendra Misra ji in his mail is reproduced below:

 

//Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.//

 

As I understood the Rule.....there is no mention of sub-sub lord any where.

Please note that it says......the sub-lord (not sub-sub-lord) of the sub-lord (once again not the sub-sub-lord) of the Ascendant

Here sub-lord of the Asc is Ven

Therefore when we say sub-lord of the sub-lord of Asc it means sub-lord of Ven (who is the sub lord of Asc).

Ven is in Taurus 12-59-38.... ...Ven-Moon-Rah-Mer

Sub-lord of Ven is Rah......... .This Rahu is posited in star of Moon (Rah in Virgo 19-05-02.... Mer-Moon-Mer-Rah)

Now, as per above rule if Moon is in male sign child will be male or else female. In this case Moon is posited in Leo a male sign so the native should be male according to me.

 

Secondly, as far as I know, Mr. Gondhalekar ji has given a rule for determining the sex of a baby yet to be born by analyzing 5 CSL of mother (as against Asc sub lord in this case) and he never resorted to sub-sub level unless warranted, that too, in very rare cases. Therefore, Mr Gondhalekar is the right person, in my humble opinion, to enlighten us regarding the Rule and my interpretation of the rule.

 

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comMon, February 1, 2010 9:09:17 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subash,

You seem to have got the formula differently. If you could present the case in totality we would understand better. I have got different values for Lagna Taurus21-59- 59.using Jyotish Deepika SW

 

1. Lagna 21-59-59 is Ven,Moon,Ven, Jup Ayanamsa New23-11-57

 

2. Sub-sub Jup® Scorp 7-14-5 Mar,Sat.Ven, Sat

 

3.sub sub Sat® in Sagg 13-51-20 Jup,Ven,Ven Moon.

 

4.starlord of Sat Ven is in Taurus 12-59-16 an even sign hence female gender. Subject is a Male.

 

 

Conclusion. Either the formula does not apply or else

 

Birth time needs correction

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, February 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

 

 

Dear Misra ji/ Lajmi ji,

 

Sorry for the interruption ! You have said.....

 

//I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.//

 

As per the birth details given, sub lord of Asc is Ven. Now sub lord of Ven (i.e. sub lord of the sub lord of Asc) is Rahu and not Saturn. Rahu is situated in the star of Moon and Moon is deposited in Leo, a male sign (in your Natal chart). So the gender of the native should be Male as stated in the rule. So the Rule, if stated correctly, does not fail.

 

My interpretation of the Rule is:

 

1. Sub lord of Asc is .......Ven

 

2. Sub lord of sub lord of Asc i.e. Ven is........Rahu ( Ven is in Taurus sign, Moon star and Rahu sub.......thus sub lord of Ven is Rah)

 

3. Rahu is in the star of Moon {making Moon as star lord of the sub lord (Rah) of the sub of Asc (Ven)}

 

4. Moon is in Leo a male sign.

 

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comCc: Yogeshlajmi@ Sun, January 31, 2010 8:06:45 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Respected Lajmi Sir,I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us.

 

I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.

Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable.Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives.

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

amit desai <amitwho >@gro ups.comSat, January 30, 2010 8:35:02 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Yogeshji

 

after reading this mail of yours I instantly applied the rule in my and my wife's chart and in both it indicates Girl and this ndication is absolutely true.

 

well shall keep checking for more

 

Regards Amit Desai

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Fri, January 29, 2010 5:58:06 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Mr.Misra,

I have been using Gondhalekar' s method since it was first introduced and so far,I have got extremely accurate results..

The Rule is :

"If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Vth cusp,is posited in a star,whose lord is

posited in a Male Sign(ODD Sign), a boy will be born...of in a Female(Even Sign),a Female..."

Where is the question of eight planets as you hypothesise needlessly ?

Instead ,why don't you apply the Rule properly to a given actual case and then post it as an example...(It was prived right in the most recent case of Satishji's neice... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comThu, 28 January, 2010 10:26:01 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dr.Anjana Agarwal Ji,How do you identify gender of unborn baby,if there is no perfect rule in this regard.You are requested to make it clear.This thread was opened by me but none of the members took interest to reveal perfect rule in this regard. Although I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us. TW JI has replied thus:Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards, TWDetermining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable] (Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the

sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives. With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com; R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com>Thu, January 28, 2010 7:40:00 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

Female child till 2/02/2010 sa-ju-ju-ra- sat

 

5th house sgl ma, stl me, sl me

ma stl ve sl mo, me st mo sl ra

me 5th CSL (10-3,12)stl mo(12,1), sl ra (2 (sgn su 10,2)), conj su (10,2), ve (10-4,11), aspected by sa in 1-7,8, ra in 2

 

12 and 8 house involved so possibility of caesarean is there

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Naresh Valecha <superstaar_n_ v wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Satish, If u say the child is to be born in a couple of days then the earliest possible time as per RP's is when Moon transits in its own sign Cancer in the Star-Sub of Mercury and its a Saturday. Mars being in Cancer too with Moon on that day indicates a caesarion birth of a female child.

Naresh Valecha --- On Wed, 27/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comWednesday, 27 January, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

The child is expected to be born any time now.Ceasarian or not ,time will tell.

Thank you for your effort.

 

Regards,

 

 

Satish--- On Tue, 1/26/10, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote:

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish,

 

Your niece is expected to deliver a baby child after May 2010. Is it true ?

 

The delivery might be caesarean.

Ramesh Mishrarcmastro--- On Tue, 26/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comTuesday, 26 January, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

My neice got married on March2,2006 at Delhi Time 0910 hrs. The child to be born ,would be her first child. BTR was not found necessary,in my opinion as lagna sublord Merc was related to Moon.

 

Regards,

 

Satish.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, January 25, 2010, 12:01 PM



Dear Satishji,

 

I presume that it is her 1st delivery. Have you rectified Birth

time? When was her marriage?

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

- R Satish

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Re: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

 

This group's attempt is to predict the gender, a path which KSK avoided.

 

My neice's case is an oppurtunity:

 

1. to list and apply the various formulae for gender identification.

 

2. to predict the date of the birth of the child waiting to be born.

 

 

I am waiting for our friends to avail this chance to move forward.It does not

 

really matter if you are off the mark.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comThursday, January 21, 2010, 11:10 PM

Dear Satish,Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>  Dear Friends,>  >                      For those interested in trying their hand , in a live case study.>  >  My neice staying presently at Hyd, is keeping everyone guessing.>  >  Birth details May

29,1979 time 1045 am. Mumbai (Dadar). >  >  1. When will she deliver?>  >  2. What will be the gender of the child?>  >     I failed,so I request the group.>  >         Regards,>  >           Satish>  > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:14

PM> > >  > > > > Child Sex Study.doc (in File section) > Child Gender Prediction Analysis> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 15405?threaded= 1> I never had any experience in pin-pointing before birth...> KP Reader IV p 236 last para> > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskar Sir &  Seniors, I am trying to apply K.P Rules as laid down by S.Gondhalkar Ji & Dr.Kar Ji which are as following:> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > If the sub-lord of the

sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.> > > > Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 21621> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Dr. Kar's method)> > Star lord of the sub-sub lord of ascendant and sub-sub lord of ascendant determines the sex of a child. > > > > 1. Reference: Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In "Astrololgy & Atrishta" magazine April 1980.> > 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22175> >

  > >

 > > You are requested to help me if these rules apply in all cases or not.It will certainly help in rectification of birth time also.Besides this it is very necessary to know that the birth chart which has been put before an astrologer belongs to male or female or none of these two.Does odd number denote male sign and even number denote female sign or which are male and female signs?Besides this I have been given few problems to solve.I have been challenged by some one & given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > >  > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > (B) identify the gender of these children> >  > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > >  > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM> >

 (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> >  (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> >  (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > >  > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> >  Set - 2> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> >  and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> >  > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis

is given against their birth particulars:> >  > >  > > Set - I> >  (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> >  My above analysis may be wrong(1)If rectified

time is incorrect & sub sub lord of ascendant is incorrect (2) If further calculation is wrong that the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, is posited in a which star and  whose lord is situated in a male sign or in female sign.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, January 19, 2010 10:03:08 PM> > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> > > >  > > Dear Mishra ji,> >

//Respected Seniors, I want to thank Bhaskar Sir firstly who replied me promptly regarding the subject noted above.But he is requested again not to twist the fact what I have requested clearly.I am employed in Judicial department and perhaps it is known to me what is crime..I am not intended to identify gender of unborn baby.But there must be tested K.P rules to identify gender of any native whose birth chart is placed before an astrologer.My query in this regard is neither vague nor misconceived nor violating any law. It is also made clear that prediction regarding gender of unborn baby is quite different thing to that of identifying  gender of any native whose birth chart is already erected and placed before an astrologer./ /> > Kind Sir..> > I am not twisting any facts... I have nothing to gain from this...I do not even know you in any which way dear Mishra

ji...I just mentioned what I should, and what I must...> > In your previous post you never demarcated that you wish to determine gender for the "already born".> > I mentioned the legal factor only perchance thinking that you may not know it... I really do not know that you are connected to the judicial..> > Again even if you like to test the "already tested" rules, on persons who have been "already born", may I humbly ask you out of curiosity, that what purpose will this serve ?> > best regards,> > Bhaskar.> >  > >  > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > While appreciating your stance of predicting Gender , and also sparing efforts and time

for

research on this, yes rules are there , but how much will they work , and in hands of whom - is a question mark, and to what purposeto serve again is another question mark. > > > > > > Predicting Male gender will be welcome...for an unborn child to his parents. But what if this prediction turns false ? > > > > > > Predicting a daughter by an astrologer may force abortion to and by the parents. What if after abortion it is found that the child was a male ? (I do not know the medical rules whether the child is aborted after gender determination and when the gender can be realised - after what period in the womb )Anyway Gender determination is a legal crime in the law of this country. > > > > > > And to make spectacular predictions for momentary applauses ? Is it worth it ? I mean the time, efforts and research work ?> > > > > > Sorry please ignore my

mail if not found proper. But I do not mean to discourage. > > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra dhirendranathmisra@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Seniors,> > > >                              I have read some where that :> > > >

                                                                       (1)Gender of native can be

identified from the sub sub lord of ascendant and its placement in a particular sign.If it is posited in male sign then the concerned native is male or female if sub sub lord is posited in female sign.But in many cases this method does not apply.If I am not wrong in this perspective the even sign denotes female gender and odd sign denotes male gender.> > > >

                                                                       (2)Secondly I have found that sub lord of

the ascendant in the chart of father is common as sub lord of the 9th cusp in birth charts of sons and daughters who are born of the same father.I am not confident as to whether this condition will apply every where or it will fail.> > > >

                                                                       (3) I have been challenged by some one

& given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> > > >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > > > > > > > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > > > (B) identify the gender of these children> > > > > > > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM>

> > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > > > > > > > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> > > > Set - 2> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> > > > and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> > > > > > > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis is given

against their birth particulars:> > > > > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> > > > > > > > > > >

> Please guide me regarding the above matter at the earliest.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Dear Misra, There is no perfect system in this world evolved by imperfect humans. Hence to search for one such method is being altruistic and not realistic. Two major events like birth and death cannot be predicted with certainity ,on a connsistent basis over a long period of time.This is an indisputable fact. Even so we are trying to improve the success rate, at best.Every astrologer buff has his/her level of performance and to compare each other's performance is self- defeating. There are several BTR methods

discussed in the last several years,yet thereis no one commonly accepted rule.The best suggestion I would suggest is to try a solution thru more than one method: at least three. The predictabilty will improve. In our BTR methods,most often we do not consider if planets are in Rapt conjunction or aspect .Their influence is not fully contemplated in the rule used.Next we have the outer planets and inner planets in close conjunction. I recall 4/5years ago in a BTR exercise,Hora concept was also endeavoured to be brought in. We also choose to apply some selective rules for Horary method of prediction and not for Natal charts.Retrogression for example.

In the wake of diverse opinions, if the sanctity of ground rules are maintained,KP system will survive,failing which every street corner will have a self-styled KP Consultant. Please excuse me for my candid comments. Regards, Satish--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisraRe: Fw:

Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:55 PM

 

 

 

Dear Members,I again put here that If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively. I am not twisting the fact nor rule.Result for the given problem at 10:10:48AM time comes female gender.Although Lajmi ji has suggested that TOB should be taken 9:55AM and it will indicate male gender if the above cited method is applied.But Lajmi Ji and Adith Ji also says that it is not 100% correct method.I still insist upon what did I say.In this regard or with regard to other matters I will be always in search of 100% correct rules and I don't wish to extoll K.P blindly.I always thank and owe to Dr.Rath,Kalyan Ji,TWJi,Lajmi Ji,Adhith Ji,Punit Ji,Amit Ji and few others who always tried to guide me in right direction.There is still an unanswered question that Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then will this rule not indicate a common

result for all natives.Again which factor is found common in charts of sisters and brothers born of same father and mother?This factor is not usefull for any prediction but certainly usefull for BTR.I am collecting many more reliable birth details to make a search if any rule can be framed in this regard.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comThu, February 4, 2010 3:58:39 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Members,

 

The said RULE was quoted by Dhirendra Nath Misra ji and not by me. His analysis was based on sub-sub lords of Asc. However the rule says sub lord and not sub-sub lord. I have just pointed out this difference.

 

I have never come across this rule in 4 step book, nor heard Mr. Gondhalekar ji quoting it anytime. In this connection message # 30760 on 20 Jan 2010 by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji clearly gives his views also.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 9:18:26 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

//If the star lord of the sublrod of the sublord of the Asc., is posited in Male sign or female sign, the sex is male or female respectively.Subhash Ektare Ji :IT IS NOT CORRECT ALL THE TIMES.//It must apply in all cases,If your interpretation is correct or formula is correct.

 

Here is another example of my son:DOB-06.04. 1998,POB- Haldwani, Longitude- 79E31,Latitude- 29N13TOB-10:10:48AM. Ayanamsa- KNA,Software- KP StarOne

Sub lord of ascendant-Venus

Sub lord of Venus -Moon

Moon is posited in a star lord of which is Mercury

Mercury is posited in pisces a female sign.But native is Male

What happend to rule?

Adithkashinath Ji also do not agree with this doubtfull method which often failed in many cases.

with thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comTue, February 2, 2010 10:12:37 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

As per my s/w....Astro- Kundali.. ....for DOB 20 April 1959 TOB 8:15:56 POB Basti (UP) 82 E 44 34; 26 N 47 42 (as per Google Earth)

 

Lagna is Taurus 21-53-46 Ven-Moon-Ven-Sat Ayanamsha KP 23-11-31

 

Rule given by Dhirendra Misra ji in his mail is reproduced below:

 

//Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.//

 

As I understood the Rule.....there is no mention of sub-sub lord any where.

Please note that it says......the sub-lord (not sub-sub-lord) of the sub-lord (once again not the sub-sub-lord) of the Ascendant

Here sub-lord of the Asc is Ven

Therefore when we say sub-lord of the sub-lord of Asc it means sub-lord of Ven (who is the sub lord of Asc).

Ven is in Taurus 12-59-38.... ...Ven-Moon-Rah-Mer

Sub-lord of Ven is Rah......... .This Rahu is posited in star of Moon (Rah in Virgo 19-05-02.... Mer-Moon-Mer-Rah)

Now, as per above rule if Moon is in male sign child will be male or else female. In this case Moon is posited in Leo a male sign so the native should be male according to me.

 

Secondly, as far as I know, Mr. Gondhalekar ji has given a rule for determining the sex of a baby yet to be born by analyzing 5 CSL of mother (as against Asc sub lord in this case) and he never resorted to sub-sub level unless warranted, that too, in very rare cases. Therefore, Mr Gondhalekar is the right person, in my humble opinion, to enlighten us regarding the Rule and my interpretation of the rule.

 

Regards

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >@gro ups.comMon, February 1, 2010 9:09:17 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Subash,

You seem to have got the formula differently. If you could present the case in totality we would understand better. I have got different values for Lagna Taurus21-59- 59.using Jyotish Deepika SW

 

1. Lagna 21-59-59 is Ven,Moon,Ven, Jup Ayanamsa New23-11-57

 

2. Sub-sub Jup® Scorp 7-14-5 Mar,Sat.Ven, Sat

 

3.sub sub Sat® in Sagg 13-51-20 Jup,Ven,Ven Moon.

 

4.starlord of Sat Ven is in Taurus 12-59-16 an even sign hence female gender. Subject is a Male.

 

 

Conclusion. Either the formula does not apply or else

 

Birth time needs correction

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Mon, 2/1/10, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, February 1, 2010, 5:03 AM

 

 

Dear Misra ji/ Lajmi ji,

 

Sorry for the interruption ! You have said.....

 

//I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.//

 

As per the birth details given, sub lord of Asc is Ven. Now sub lord of Ven (i.e. sub lord of the sub lord of Asc) is Rahu and not Saturn. Rahu is situated in the star of Moon and Moon is deposited in Leo, a male sign (in your Natal chart). So the gender of the native should be Male as stated in the rule. So the Rule, if stated correctly, does not fail.

 

My interpretation of the Rule is:

 

1. Sub lord of Asc is .......Ven

 

2. Sub lord of sub lord of Asc i.e. Ven is........Rahu ( Ven is in Taurus sign, Moon star and Rahu sub.......thus sub lord of Ven is Rah)

 

3. Rahu is in the star of Moon {making Moon as star lord of the sub lord (Rah) of the sub of Asc (Ven)}

 

4. Moon is in Leo a male sign.

 

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

 

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comCc: Yogeshlajmi@ Sun, January 31, 2010 8:06:45 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Respected Lajmi Sir,I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us.

 

I was not asking rules relating to first child birth and its gender. The following method have been found unreliabe.

Take my own example.DOB- 20.04.1959, TOB-8:15: 56,POB-BASTI( U.P),Ayanamsa adopted K.P.Sub lord of ascendant-Ve, Sub-Sub lord Saturn.Apply Sunil Gondhalkar's method and you will find it BigZero.You know me well.sub sub lord is posited in a star lord of which is Venus and venus is posited in Taurus a female sign.Rule failed here.

Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable.Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives.

With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

amit desai <amitwho >@gro ups.comSat, January 30, 2010 8:35:02 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Yogeshji

 

after reading this mail of yours I instantly applied the rule in my and my wife's chart and in both it indicates Girl and this ndication is absolutely true.

 

well shall keep checking for more

 

Regards Amit Desai

 

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Fri, January 29, 2010 5:58:06 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

Dear Mr.Misra,

I have been using Gondhalekar' s method since it was first introduced and so far,I have got extremely accurate results..

The Rule is :

"If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Vth cusp,is posited in a star,whose lord is

posited in a Male Sign(ODD Sign), a boy will be born...of in a Female(Even Sign),a Female..."

Where is the question of eight planets as you hypothesise needlessly ?

Instead ,why don't you apply the Rule properly to a given actual case and then post it as an example...(It was prived right in the most recent case of Satishji's neice... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>@gro ups.comThu, 28 January, 2010 10:26:01 PMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

Dr.Anjana Agarwal Ji,How do you identify gender of unborn baby,if there is no perfect rule in this regard.You are requested to make it clear.This thread was opened by me but none of the members took interest to reveal perfect rule in this regard. Although I wanted to know perfect rules which indicate gender of native who are already born and whose birth charts are before us. TW JI has replied thus:Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards, TWDetermining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)[it is not found reliable] (Sunil Gondhalkar's method) If the sub-lord of the

sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.Some times 8 planets are found posited in same sign and then this rule will indicate a common result for all natives. With thanks & regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.com; R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com>Thu, January 28, 2010 7:40:00 AMRe: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

Female child till 2/02/2010 sa-ju-ju-ra- sat

 

5th house sgl ma, stl me, sl me

ma stl ve sl mo, me st mo sl ra

me 5th CSL (10-3,12)stl mo(12,1), sl ra (2 (sgn su 10,2)), conj su (10,2), ve (10-4,11), aspected by sa in 1-7,8, ra in 2

 

12 and 8 house involved so possibility of caesarean is there

 

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Naresh Valecha <superstaar_n_ v wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Satish, If u say the child is to be born in a couple of days then the earliest possible time as per RP's is when Moon transits in its own sign Cancer in the Star-Sub of Mercury and its a Saturday. Mars being in Cancer too with Moon on that day indicates a caesarion birth of a female child.

Naresh Valecha --- On Wed, 27/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comWednesday, 27 January, 2010, 11:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramesh,

The child is expected to be born any time now.Ceasarian or not ,time will tell.

Thank you for your effort.

 

Regards,

 

 

Satish--- On Tue, 1/26/10, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in> wrote:

 

ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@ .co. in>Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

@gro ups.comTuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish,

 

Your niece is expected to deliver a baby child after May 2010. Is it true ?

 

The delivery might be caesarean.

Ramesh Mishrarcmastro--- On Tue, 26/1/10, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

R Satish <rsatish1942@ >Re: Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comTuesday, 26 January, 2010, 11:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

My neice got married on March2,2006 at Delhi Time 0910 hrs. The child to be born ,would be her first child. BTR was not found necessary,in my opinion as lagna sublord Merc was related to Moon.

 

Regards,

 

Satish.

 

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Fw: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comMonday, January 25, 2010, 12:01 PM



Dear Satishji,

 

I presume that it is her 1st delivery. Have you rectified Birth

time? When was her marriage?

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

- R Satish

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 22, 2010 1:18 PM

Re: Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

 

This group's attempt is to predict the gender, a path which KSK avoided.

 

My neice's case is an oppurtunity:

 

1. to list and apply the various formulae for gender identification.

 

2. to predict the date of the birth of the child waiting to be born.

 

 

I am waiting for our friends to avail this chance to move forward.It does not

 

really matter if you are off the mark.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother@gro ups.comThursday, January 21, 2010, 11:10 PM

Dear Satish,Prediction of child gender or president election result is 50-50 chance with using or without using astrology. It has been found that Guruji KSK is correct in saying that he never had any experience in pin-pointing child gender before birth.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>  Dear Friends,>  >                      For those interested in trying their hand , in a live case study.>  >  My neice staying presently at Hyd, is keeping everyone guessing.>  >  Birth details May

29,1979 time 1045 am. Mumbai (Dadar). >  >  1. When will she deliver?>  >  2. What will be the gender of the child?>  >     I failed,so I request the group.>  >         Regards,>  >           Satish>  > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, TW <tw853 wrote:> > > TW <tw853> Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 5:14

PM> > >  > > > > Child Sex Study.doc (in File section) > Child Gender Prediction Analysis> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 15405?threaded= 1> I never had any experience in pin-pointing before birth...> KP Reader IV p 236 last para> > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskar Sir &  Seniors, I am trying to apply K.P Rules as laid down by S.Gondhalkar Ji & Dr.Kar Ji which are as following:> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > (Sunil Gondhalkar's method)> > If the sub-lord of the

sub-lord of

the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child; if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child.> > > > Reference: http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 21621> > Determining Sex from the Birth Chart (Dr. Kar's method)> > Star lord of the sub-sub lord of ascendant and sub-sub lord of ascendant determines the sex of a child. > > > > 1. Reference: Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In "Astrololgy & Atrishta" magazine April 1980.> > 2. http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 22175> >

  > >

 > > You are requested to help me if these rules apply in all cases or not.It will certainly help in rectification of birth time also.Besides this it is very necessary to know that the birth chart which has been put before an astrologer belongs to male or female or none of these two.Does odd number denote male sign and even number denote female sign or which are male and female signs?Besides this I have been given few problems to solve.I have been challenged by some one & given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > >  > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > (B) identify the gender of these children> >  > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > >  > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM> >

 (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> >  (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> >  (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > >  > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > Set - I> >  (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> >  Set - 2> >  (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> >  and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> >  > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis

is given against their birth particulars:> >  > >  > > Set - I> >  (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> >  (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> >  > > Set - 2> >  (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> >  (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> >  My above analysis may be wrong(1)If rectified

time is incorrect & sub sub lord of ascendant is incorrect (2) If further calculation is wrong that the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, is posited in a which star and  whose lord is situated in a male sign or in female sign.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, January 19, 2010 10:03:08 PM> > Re: K.P Rules to identify Gender from Birth Chart and real sisters and brothers,status of father/mother> > > >  > > Dear Mishra ji,> >

//Respected Seniors, I want to thank Bhaskar Sir firstly who replied me promptly regarding the subject noted above.But he is requested again not to twist the fact what I have requested clearly.I am employed in Judicial department and perhaps it is known to me what is crime..I am not intended to identify gender of unborn baby.But there must be tested K.P rules to identify gender of any native whose birth chart is placed before an astrologer.My query in this regard is neither vague nor misconceived nor violating any law. It is also made clear that prediction regarding gender of unborn baby is quite different thing to that of identifying  gender of any native whose birth chart is already erected and placed before an astrologer./ /> > Kind Sir..> > I am not twisting any facts... I have nothing to gain from this...I do not even know you in any which way dear Mishra

ji...I just mentioned what I should, and what I must...> > In your previous post you never demarcated that you wish to determine gender for the "already born".> > I mentioned the legal factor only perchance thinking that you may not know it... I really do not know that you are connected to the judicial..> > Again even if you like to test the "already tested" rules, on persons who have been "already born", may I humbly ask you out of curiosity, that what purpose will this serve ?> > best regards,> > Bhaskar.> >  > >  > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > While appreciating your stance of predicting Gender , and also sparing efforts and time

for

research on this, yes rules are there , but how much will they work , and in hands of whom - is a question mark, and to what purposeto serve again is another question mark. > > > > > > Predicting Male gender will be welcome...for an unborn child to his parents. But what if this prediction turns false ? > > > > > > Predicting a daughter by an astrologer may force abortion to and by the parents. What if after abortion it is found that the child was a male ? (I do not know the medical rules whether the child is aborted after gender determination and when the gender can be realised - after what period in the womb )Anyway Gender determination is a legal crime in the law of this country. > > > > > > And to make spectacular predictions for momentary applauses ? Is it worth it ? I mean the time, efforts and research work ?> > > > > > Sorry please ignore my

mail if not found proper. But I do not mean to discourage. > > > > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhirendra Nath Misra dhirendranathmisra@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Seniors,> > > >                              I have read some where that :> > > >

                                                                       (1)Gender of native can be

identified from the sub sub lord of ascendant and its placement in a particular sign.If it is posited in male sign then the concerned native is male or female if sub sub lord is posited in female sign.But in many cases this method does not apply.If I am not wrong in this perspective the even sign denotes female gender and odd sign denotes male gender.> > > >

                                                                       (2)Secondly I have found that sub lord of

the ascendant in the chart of father is common as sub lord of the 9th cusp in birth charts of sons and daughters who are born of the same father.I am not confident as to whether this condition will apply every where or it will fail.> > > >

                                                                       (3) I have been challenged by some one

& given 8 blind charts to identify gender of natives and also to identify who are born of same father.I have been given a hint which is following:> > > >

                                                                          Ã

‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Each set belong to a group of children. These children of the same set may or may not have the same father or mother (father might have married twice or the mother might have had two husbands or they might have a common father & mother. > > > > > > > > (A) Just identify children having a common father &  common mother> > > > (B) identify the gender of these children> > > > > > > > Birth particulars of father is not given.The birth place of all the native is cochin,Kerala.  > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM>

> > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM> > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM> > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM > > > > > > > > I adopted K.P ayanamsa & found on the basis of analysis that: > > > > Set - I> > > > (1) 25-9 -1974 2:22PM is Female(Rectified time 2:16:51)> > > > Set - 2> > > > (5) 01-04-1962 04:05PM is Male(Rectified time 4:10:50)> > > > and both are born of same father(May be sister and brother)> > > > > > > > The following natives are not born of same father and their gender on the basis of analysis is given

against their birth particulars:> > > > > > > > > > > > Set - I> > > > (2)14-11-1969 1:45AM     Male(Rectified time 1:51:53AM)> > > > (3) 7-10-1972 12:30AM   Male(Rectified time 11:57:15PM,Date 06-10-1972)> > > > > > > > Set - 2> > > > (1) 13-10-1969 11:12AM  Male( Rectified time 11:08:34AM) > > > > (2) 15-12-1961 12:30PM  Female(Rectified time 12:40PM)> > > > (3) 01-05-1971 05:15PM  Female(Rectified time 05:17PM) > > > > (4) 03-02-1968 01:15PM  Male(Rectified time 01:05PM)> > > > > > > > > > >

> Please guide me regarding the above matter at the earliest.> > > > With thanks & regards, > > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > >> >>

 

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