Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments. Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith 1 of 1 File(s) Backward Theory-by ADITH.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK. Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11. Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu. Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4). Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and Venus As per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11). Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also. Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2. Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself . hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning.. With RegardsAdithOn Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks. Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling 8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up. With best wishes, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory. and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said. This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010, reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V) with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged for each event. We can select the significators connected to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994 may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter. Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest. These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners. Thanking you, Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Adithji, True, Kethu signifies 7 and 11. But a Planet's usefulness is decided by only from his sublord as per KPsystem. Here Kethu is in the sub of Sun in the star of Mars, who holds 4th house strongly and also signifies 6th by close conjunction with 6th cusp. As such I doubt very much kethu's presence in the DBA. Kindly correct me if it is wrong. Trly yours, K.S,V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Monday, February 01, 2010 11:26 AM Re: BACKWARD THEORY Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdithOn Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani > wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks. Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling 8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up. With best wishes, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear KSV Ramani ji,As I repeat now,Ketu is stronger by its star lord and sub lord Mars. Mars though it conjoins 6, it, the lord of 11 aspects the lord of 7 Moon in whose star Ketu is traveling which is . Pls do not look at a single point.With RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:34 AM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Adithji, True, Kethu signifies 7 and 11. But a Planet's usefulness is decided by only from his sublord as per KPsystem. Here Kethu is in the sub of Sun in the star of Mars, who holds 4th house strongly and also signifies 6th by close conjunction with 6th cusp. As such I doubt very much kethu's presence in the DBA. Kindly correct me if it is wrong. Trly yours, K.S,V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Monday, February 01, 2010 11:26 AM Re: BACKWARD THEORY Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdithOn Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks. Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling 8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up. With best wishes, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Adith ji, I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again. For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP. In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration. To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote: Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said. This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010, reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V) with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged for each event. We can select the significators connected to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994 may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter. Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest. These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners. Thanking you, Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments. Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Sri Adithji, Pl. don't misunderstand me that I am arguing with you and your findings. I am not at all equal to you by experience and knowledge. My mail is only exchange of knowledge and not at all a criticism. I use K.P.Astro 3.o SW wherein Kethu's sub lord is shown as Sun and star lord as Mars. Since the fundamental rule of KP is any Planet or Bhava will be useful for the event desired only if its sub lord is found connected with the houses favourable for such events. Here Kethu is in the sub of SUN ( & not Mars). Whether Sun is useful for marriage? He is in the star of Mars close to 6th cusp, signifying 4th alongwth 11th, 4th is detrimental house. You have yourself rejected Mars as full significatorof good house. Sun is in the sub of Saturn, a delaying planet and also Sat.is aspecting both Venus, kalathrakaraka and Sun in cinjn. with Sun. As per Punarphoo point of KP, it is a clear case of PP. I quite agree with you Kethu is strong significator of 7th in the normal course itself without applying backward theory. Moon too is in the sub of Venus, which has connection to Saturn can be taken as connected to Saturn causing PPD. This is my view. Kindly advise me whether I am wrong. Again I earnestly request you to not to take it personal, as I regard you a best guide for all. Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:43 PM Re: BACKWARD THEORY Dear KSV Ramani ji,As I repeat now,Ketu is stronger by its star lord and sub lord Mars. Mars though it conjoins 6, it, the lord of 11 aspects the lord of 7 Moon in whose star Ketu is traveling which is .Pls do not look at a single point.With RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:34 AM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani > wrote: Dear Adithji, True, Kethu signifies 7 and 11. But a Planet's usefulness is decided by only from his sublord as per KPsystem. Here Kethu is in the sub of Sun in the star of Mars, who holds 4th house strongly and also signifies 6th by close conjunction with 6th cusp. As such I doubt very much kethu's presence in the DBA. Kindly correct me if it is wrong. Trly yours, K.S,V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Monday, February 01, 2010 11:26 AM Re: BACKWARD THEORY Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdithOn Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani > wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks. Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling 8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up. With best wishes, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Punit ji,I duly accept your points.We will not get the same DBA in the occurance of an event as you said like promotion.As well even in the Transit , during the event also, the same DBAS may not expect to do their role as we normally say.The DBAS may also transit in a less strength significator also. It means not necessarily the strongest significators will play play role in Transit also.But in the cases like Marriage, child birth which are not frequent happening events, there the signficators which are strongest and capable of conducting event will play major role in their DBAS. Whereas in the event like Promotion, the level of materialisation may vary according to the planet's strength which offers the result. It means the promotion may be upto the expectation or less or beyond etc., and many times it may happen in one's life. But here the event is an important event where in the role of the signficators who are stronger enough to fulfil the event are needed.May be the definition differ.We can call as " Most Favorable " instead of " Strongest " My point is we have to check all the ways to find the signficators and check for the ones which are more favorable .The above is my humble opinion.With RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Adith ji, I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again. For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP. In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration. To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote: Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory. and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said. This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010, reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V) with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged for each event. We can select the significators connected to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994 may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter. Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest. These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners. Thanking you, Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments. Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls do not misunderstand me too.I never take it otherwise.Moreover, I am also not more experienced person . But trying to learn more.I am just concerned when my points are not understood even after repeatation. My point again KETU is a strong signficator for marriage.As you said, even without the Backward theory, KETU is a significator of 7 by its star lord. But if it is not favorable signifying through its sub level , then the problem. Suppose any planet were in the sub of Ketu and that also signfiying the favorable signfication by its self strength or by its star level or not signfying the unfavorable signficators, it also can be taken as the favorable signficators. Thats my point. KETU as you said if it is in SUN sub also , it is in conjunction with VEN the lord of 5. Its star lord is also Mars only. Both are aspected by Sat the lord of 2 which is favorable.Mars being the lord of 11, aspects Ketu and also the Moon the lord of 7 and that Moon is the star lord of Ketu. Hence Ketu is having the control on Moon and also Mars.Yes. Mars is in 5 and close conjunction with 6th cusp. But we may not expect all the favorable signficators alone by a planet . But which is more dominating that has to be looked into. With regard to Punarpoo, as I have already discussed in a case, the punarpoo rule does not apply all the time.( even in my earlier quiz, she got married in 16 where in there was PP). Te above are my humble opinion. Thanks and RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:53 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Pl. don't misunderstand me that I am arguing with you and your findings. I am not at all equal to you by experience and knowledge. My mail is only exchange of knowledge and not at all a criticism. I use K.P.Astro 3.o SW wherein Kethu's sub lord is shown as Sun and star lord as Mars. Since the fundamental rule of KP is any Planet or Bhava will be useful for the event desired only if its sub lord is found connected with the houses favourable for such events. Here Kethu is in the sub of SUN ( & not Mars). Whether Sun is useful for marriage? He is in the star of Mars close to 6th cusp, signifying 4th alongwth 11th, 4th is detrimental house. You have yourself rejected Mars as full significatorof good house. Sun is in the sub of Saturn, a delaying planet and also Sat.is aspecting both Venus, kalathrakaraka and Sun in cinjn. with Sun. As per Punarphoo point of KP, it is a clear case of PP. I quite agree with you Kethu is strong significator of 7th in the normal course itself without applying backward theory. Moon too is in the sub of Venus, which has connection to Saturn can be taken as connected to Saturn causing PPD. This is my view. Kindly advise me whether I am wrong. Again I earnestly request you to not to take it personal, as I regard you a best guide for all. Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:43 PM Re: BACKWARD THEORY Dear KSV Ramani ji,As I repeat now,Ketu is stronger by its star lord and sub lord Mars. Mars though it conjoins 6, it, the lord of 11 aspects the lord of 7 Moon in whose star Ketu is traveling which is .Pls do not look at a single point.With RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:34 AM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Adithji, True, Kethu signifies 7 and 11. But a Planet's usefulness is decided by only from his sublord as per KPsystem. Here Kethu is in the sub of Sun in the star of Mars, who holds 4th house strongly and also signifies 6th by close conjunction with 6th cusp. As such I doubt very much kethu's presence in the DBA. Kindly correct me if it is wrong. Trly yours, K.S,V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Monday, February 01, 2010 11:26 AM Re: BACKWARD THEORY Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdithOn Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks. Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling 8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up. With best wishes, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear KSV Ramani ji,I just got the date of marriage of my sister (the quiz 17').11/Sept/1983 sundayWhen I looked at my sw, it is falling in the Mars-Mer-Sat which ends on 24/9/83 as per my sw. It may vary from sw to sw as the difference only in days. Out of these, Sat is a strong significator of 2 but also 6 through Mercury.As I described in my earlier mail, Mercury is strongly signfies 6 . but is it is in very close conjunction to 6th cusp.and it is inits own house and also in Retro motion towards the 5th Bava. It means it will signfy 5 also. It is in the star of Rahu who signfies 2 ,3,8,12 which are favorable.It is in the sub of Rahu also who again in the star of Mercury.)the signficator of 6 and 5)Hence Mercury is both favoring and unfavoring marriage. But no so strong. But when I looked at the Transit on 11/9/83,Moon in Ven sg-Rahu starSun in Sun sg-Venus star-Mer subMars (Dasalord) in Moon sg-MER star-Rah subMER in Mer sg- Sun star-Sat subKETU- in Mars sg-MER star- JUp sub Mercury has become the star lord for the Mars the dasa lord!!!If Ketu were the Bukthi lord- It is also in Mercury star !!!Confusing.This is what Punit ji and I were discussing , that the DBAS transit need not be as per the strength of the planets. Even the less strong planets can cause the event in the transit. This I am taking for the Transit point of view only.But any case, the engagement got over in Mercury period as we normally finalise the marrage atleast 3 months before the marriage. I hope this period of bukthi ends in 24/9/83 could be incorrect also. I mean the Mer period should have completed before 11th itself . This could be possible due to difference in sw calculation and also any slight change in the BT also. I mean the marriage period could fall in Mars-Ketu-Ketu.With RegardsAdith On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote: Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this. By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK. Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu: As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11. Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu. Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4). Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and Venus As per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11). Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also. Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2. Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself . hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning.. With RegardsAdithOn Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks. Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling 8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up. With best wishes, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dears Punit & Adith, Both of you do not seem to have considered the Transits of the Sun/Moon and or the Dasa-lord ,or Jup, as may be required in order to time the event with uncanny precision... I wonder why,especially when,as per K.P., all these must agree for arriving at the correct Time of the event... ! Could you consider enlightening me ast to why ? With kind regards, Yogesh Lajmi. adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:14:36 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY Dear Punit ji,I duly accept your points.We will not get the same DBA in the occurance of an event as you said like promotion.As well even in the Transit , during the event also, the same DBAS may not expect to do their role as we normally say.The DBAS may also transit in a less strength significator also.It means not necessarily the strongest significators will play play role in Transit also.But in the cases like Marriage, child birth which are not frequent happening events, there the signficators which are strongest and capable of conducting event will play major role in their DBAS.Whereas in the event like Promotion, the level of materialisation may vary according to the planet's strength which offers the result. It means the promotion may be upto the expectation or less or beyond etc., and many times it may happen in one's life.But here the event is an important event where in the role of the signficators who are stronger enough to fulfil the event are needed.May be the definition differ.We can call as "Most Favorable" instead of " Strongest"My point is we have to check all the ways to find the signficators and check for the ones which are more favorable .The above is my humble opinion.With RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Adith ji, I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again. For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP. In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration. To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010, reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V) with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged for each event. We can select the significators connected to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994 may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter. Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest. These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners. Thanking you, Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k @gro ups.com Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith 7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 Dear Adith, My experience has been different, it could be possible that the SW used, makes all the difference... I therefore use all three SWs, the late Shri A.R.Raichur's, K.P.Astro3.5,as well as KP StarOne (Shri Amithabh Srivastav's SW)...before making such statements...and use K.P. St.Line Ayanamsa... With kind regards, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiTue, 2 February, 2010 10:04:56 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORYDear Yogeshji,as I said, the Transit of DBAS or Moon, Sun need not be always in the star of the most favorable signficatird. even the low level significator also play role during the transit.I have read KSK has said " if the Horscope is correct, the DBAS will match to the Transit".I hope It does not coincide all the time.RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote: Dears Punit & Adith, Both of you do not seem to have considered the Transits of the Sun/Moon and or the Dasa-lord ,or Jup, as may be required in order to time the event with uncanny precision... I wonder why,especially when,as per K.P., all these must agree for arriving at the correct Time of the event... ! Could you consider enlightening me ast to why ? With kind regards, Yogesh Lajmi. adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:14:36 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY Dear Punit ji,I duly accept your points.We will not get the same DBA in the occurance of an event as you said like promotion.As well even in the Transit , during the event also, the same DBAS may not expect to do their role as we normally say.The DBAS may also transit in a less strength significator also.It means not necessarily the strongest significators will play play role in Transit also.But in the cases like Marriage, child birth which are not frequent happening events, there the signficators which are strongest and capable of conducting event will play major role in their DBAS.Whereas in the event like Promotion, the level of materialisation may vary according to the planet's strength which offers the result. It means the promotion may be upto the expectation or less or beyond etc., and many times it may happen in one's life.But here the event is an important event where in the role of the signficators who are stronger enough to fulfil the event are needed.May be the definition differ.We can call as "Most Favorable" instead of " Strongest"My point is we have to check all the ways to find the signficators and check for the ones which are more favorable .The above is my humble opinion.With RegardsAdith On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Adith ji, I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again. For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP. In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration. To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sri Adithji, This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010, reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V) with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged for each event. We can select the significators connected to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994 may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter. Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest. These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners. Thanking you, Truly yours, K.S.V.Ramani - adith kasinath.g.k @gro ups.com Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment] Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith 7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. Check it out. 7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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