BACKWARD THEORY

[Guest guest]

Dear Yogeshji,as I said, the Transit of DBAS or Moon, Sun need not be always in the star of the most favorable signficatird. even the low level significator also play role during the transit.

I have read KSK has said " if the Horscope is correct, the DBAS will match to the Transit " .

I hope It does not coincide all the time.

RegardsAdithOn Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

Dears Punit & Adith,

                               Both of you do not seem to have considered the Transits of the Sun/Moon and  or the Dasa-lord ,or Jup, as may be required in order to time the event with uncanny precision...

                              I wonder why,especially when,as per K.P., all these must agree for arriving at the correct Time of the event... !

                             Could you consider enlightening me ast to why ?

                             With kind regards,

                             Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:14:36 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,I duly accept your points.We will not get the same DBA in the occurance of an event as you said like promotion.As well even in the Transit , during the event also, the same DBAS may not expect to do their role as we normally say.The DBAS may also transit in a less strength significator also.

It means not necessarily the strongest significators will play play role in Transit also.But in the cases like Marriage, child birth which are not frequent happening events, there the signficators which are strongest and capable of conducting event will play major role in their DBAS.

Whereas in the event like Promotion, the level of materialisation may vary according to the planet's strength which offers the result. It means the promotion may be upto the expectation or less or beyond etc., and many times it may happen in one's life.

But here the event is an important event where in the role of the

signficators who are stronger enough to fulfil the event are needed.May be the definition differ.We can call as " Most Favorable " instead of " Strongest " My point is we have to check all the ways to find the signficators and check for the ones which are more favorable .

The above is my humble opinion.With RegardsAdith

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.

and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation/diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

=================

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Yogesh ji,Thanks for your reply.I know you are an experienced person who could have come cross with many cases.

The sw may cause the difference upto the sublevel and not to the star level if it is not in the border case.

For a marriage a particular planet may be s strong significator for one(say male) and not so strong for another(say female). But the role of that planet may be present in Transit as star or sub of DBAS or Moon or Sun.

My humble point is the necessity of the Transit on the sensitive point of the signficators or DBAS or Sun or Moon is not as much similar to that of a Horary analysis.I mean the Transit of the DBAS, MOOn, Sun may happen on the less favorable planet or the more favorable planet also as star or sub (for the Natal chart anasysis).Even a less favorable signficator also play role in the Transit.

Hence the time of event is very much possible by judging through Transit for Horary and not for Natal. This is my humble opinion.RegardsAdith 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

Dear Adith,

                 My experience has been different, it could be possible that the SW used, makes all the difference... I therefore use all three SWs, the late Shri A.R.Raichur's, K.P.Astro3.5,as well as         KP StarOne (Shri Amithabh Srivastav's SW)...before making such statements...and use K.P. St.Line Ayanamsa...

 

                 With kind regards,

                  Yogesh Lajmi.

                                                 GOOD LUCK !

           

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi

Tue, 2 February, 2010 10:04:56 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Yogeshji,as I said, the Transit of DBAS or Moon, Sun need not be always in the star of the most favorable signficatird. even the low level significator also play role during the transit.

I have read KSK has said " if the Horscope is correct, the DBAS will match to the Transit " .I hope It does not coincide all the time.RegardsAdith

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

 

 

Dears Punit & Adith,

                               Both of you do not seem to have considered the Transits of the Sun/Moon and  or the Dasa-lord ,or Jup, as may be required in order to time the event with uncanny precision...

                              I wonder why,especially when,as per K.P., all these must agree for arriving at the correct Time of the event... !

                             Could you consider enlightening me ast to why ?

                             With kind regards,

                             Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Tue, 2 February, 2010 6:14:36 PM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,I duly accept your points.We will not get the same DBA in the occurance of an event as you said like promotion.As well even in the Transit , during the event also, the same DBAS may not expect to do their role as we normally say.The DBAS may also transit in a less strength significator also.

It means not necessarily the strongest significators will play play role in Transit also.But in the cases like Marriage, child birth which are not frequent happening events, there the signficators which are strongest and capable of conducting event will play major role in their DBAS.

Whereas in the event like Promotion, the level of materialisation may vary according to the planet's strength which offers the result. It means the promotion may be upto the expectation or less or beyond etc., and many times it may happen in one's life.

But here the event is an important event where in the role

of the signficators who are stronger enough to fulfil the event are needed.May be the definition differ.We can call as " Most Favorable " instead of " Strongest " My point is we have to check all the ways to find the signficators and check for the ones which are more favorable .

The above is my humble opinion.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.

and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

 

 

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

dear adithji,

actualy we are using ruling planets for timing of events in Horary as well as natal horoscope,

which it seem to be as if we are finding planets fovourable for transit.we consider lagna transit take

lagna lord & lagna starlord as ruling planet.we consider moon transit take moon sign lord & moon star

lord as ruling planet.daylord also we consider as ruling planet.finding fruitful significators from many

we choose which are RP.hence considering all these it is clear that ONLY DBAS is not enough

but it should fully agree transit also.sometimes strong significators in DBAS but doesnot agree

transit hence fails to give result but a weak significator in DBAS agrees transit & event takes place.

punitji has pointed this,he is right. i think software shouldnot make no differance in prediction as

percentage of changing sub is negligible.kp stalwards have given predictions marvelously with manual

calculations.

thanks & regards

GOOD LUCK

shrikantjin

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi; Sent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 7:43:35 AMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

Dear Yogesh ji,Thanks for your reply.I know you are an experienced person who could have come cross with many cases.The sw may cause the difference upto the sublevel and not to the star level if it is not in the border case.For a marriage a particular planet may be s strong significator for one(say male) and not so strong for another(say female). But the role of that planet may be present in Transit as star or sub of DBAS or Moon or Sun. My humble point is the necessity of the Transit on the sensitive point of the signficators or DBAS or Sun or Moon is not as much similar to that of a Horary analysis.I mean the Transit of the DBAS, MOOn, Sun may happen on the less favorable planet or the more favorable planet also as star or sub (for the Natal chart anasysis).Even a less favorable signficator also play role in the

Transit.Hence the time of event is very much possible by judging through Transit for Horary and not for Natal. This is my humble opinion.RegardsAdith

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

My experience has been different, it could be possible that the SW used, makes all the difference.. . I therefore use all three SWs, the late Shri A.R.Raichur's, K.P.Astro3.5, as well as KP StarOne (Shri Amithabh Srivastav's SW)...before making such statements...and use K.P. St.Line Ayanamsa...

 

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Tue, 2 February, 2010 10:04:56 PM

 

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

Dear Yogeshji,as I said, the Transit of DBAS or Moon, Sun need not be always in the star of the most favorable signficatird. even the low level significator also play role during the transit.I have read KSK has said " if the Horscope is correct, the DBAS will match to the Transit".I hope It does not coincide all the time.RegardsAdith

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

Dears Punit & Adith,

Both of you do not seem to have considered the Transits of the Sun/Moon and or the Dasa-lord ,or Jup, as may be required in order to time the event with uncanny precision...

I wonder why,especially when,as per K.P., all these must agree for arriving at the correct Time of the event... !

Could you consider enlightening me ast to why ?

With kind regards,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> @gro ups.comTue, 2 February, 2010 6:14:36 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,I duly accept your points.We will not get the same DBA in the occurance of an event as you said like promotion.As well even in the Transit , during the event also, the same DBAS may not expect to do their role as we normally say.The DBAS may also transit in a less strength significator also.It means not necessarily the strongest significators will play play role in Transit also.But in the cases like Marriage, child birth which are not frequent happening events, there the signficators which are strongest and capable of conducting event will play major role in their DBAS.Whereas in the event like Promotion, the level of materialisation may vary according to the planet's strength which offers the result. It means the promotion may be upto the expectation or less or beyond etc., and many times it may happen in one's life.But here the event is an important event where in the role of the

signficators who are stronger enough to fulfil the event are needed.May be the definition differ.We can call as "Most Favorable" instead of " Strongest"My point is we have to check all the ways to find the signficators and check for the ones which are more favorable .The above is my humble opinion.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

 

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

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Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sri Adithji,

 

Thanks for ascertaining the correct date of marriage

and its analysis. By the way, will you kindly let me

know whether it was her husband's 1st marriage or second

marriage, as I am eager to find the cause of vast difference

in age between them.

 

Thanks,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

adith kasinath.g.k

Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:48 PM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear KSV Ramani ji,I just got the date of marriage of my sister (the quiz 17').11/Sept/1983 sundayWhen I looked at my sw, it is falling in the Mars-Mer-Sat which ends on 24/9/83 as per my sw. It may vary from sw to sw as the difference only in days.Out of these, Sat is a strong significator of 2 but also 6 through Mercury.As I described in my earlier mail, Mercury is strongly signfies 6 . but is it is in very close conjunction to 6th cusp.and it is inits own house and also in Retro motion towards the 5th Bava. It means it will signfy 5 also.It is in the star of Rahu who signfies 2 ,3,8,12 which are favorable.It is in the sub of Rahu also who again in the star of Mercury.)the signficator of 6 and 5)Hence Mercury is both favoring and unfavoring marriage. But no so strong.But when I looked at the Transit on 11/9/83,Moon in Ven sg-Rahu starSun in Sun sg-Venus star-Mer subMars (Dasalord) in Moon sg-MER star-Rah subMER in Mer sg- Sun star-Sat subKETU- in Mars sg-MER star- JUp subMercury has become the star lord for the Mars the dasa lord!!!If Ketu were the Bukthi lord- It is also in Mercury star !!!Confusing.This is what Punit ji and I were discussing , that the DBAS transit need not be as per the strength of the planets. Even the less strong planets can cause the event in the transit.This I am taking for the Transit point of view only.But any case, the engagement got over in Mercury period as we normally finalise the marrage atleast 3 months before the marriage. I hope this period of bukthi ends in 24/9/83 could be incorrect also. I mean the Mer period should have completed before 11th itself . This could be possible due to difference in sw calculation and also any slight change in the BT also.I mean the marriage period could fall in Mars-Ketu-Ketu.With RegardsAdith

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath > wrote:

Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more

clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks.

 

Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in

Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is

in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator

either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to

signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday

planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is

not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as

a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling

8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification

only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his

sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord

Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up.

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

 

adith kasinath.g.k

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Adithji,

 

I am using K.P.Astro 3.0 in which I find the DBA on the date

of marriage i.e. 11-9-1983, the DBA is Mars Dasa - Kethu

Bhukthi (from 3-7-1983 to 28-11-1983) Rahu Antharam (3-9-1983 to 25-9-1983. So Bhukthi is only Kethu and not Merc.

Now Kethu Bhukthi is O.K. as per your Backward theory.

For her engagement of marriage might be in Merc. which

is also O.K. as Merc. in the sub of Rahu conjunct with

Satn. both signifying 2 and 3 required for engagement.

Merc. is lord of 9th required for engagement as it is

a sort of agreement. So I find the date as O.K.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

-

adith kasinath.g.k

Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:48 PM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear KSV Ramani ji,I just got the date of marriage of my sister (the quiz 17').11/Sept/1983 sundayWhen I looked at my sw, it is falling in the Mars-Mer-Sat which ends on 24/9/83 as per my sw. It may vary from sw to sw as the difference only in days.Out of these, Sat is a strong significator of 2 but also 6 through Mercury.As I described in my earlier mail, Mercury is strongly signfies 6 . but is it is in very close conjunction to 6th cusp.and it is inits own house and also in Retro motion towards the 5th Bava. It means it will signfy 5 also.It is in the star of Rahu who signfies 2 ,3,8,12 which are favorable.It is in the sub of Rahu also who again in the star of Mercury.)the signficator of 6 and 5)Hence Mercury is both favoring and unfavoring marriage. But no so strong.But when I looked at the Transit on 11/9/83,Moon in Ven sg-Rahu starSun in Sun sg-Venus star-Mer subMars (Dasalord) in Moon sg-MER star-Rah subMER in Mer sg- Sun star-Sat subKETU- in Mars sg-MER star- JUp subMercury has become the star lord for the Mars the dasa lord!!!If Ketu were the Bukthi lord- It is also in Mercury star !!!Confusing.This is what Punit ji and I were discussing , that the DBAS transit need not be as per the strength of the planets. Even the less strong planets can cause the event in the transit.This I am taking for the Transit point of view only.But any case, the engagement got over in Mercury period as we normally finalise the marrage atleast 3 months before the marriage. I hope this period of bukthi ends in 24/9/83 could be incorrect also. I mean the Mer period should have completed before 11th itself . This could be possible due to difference in sw calculation and also any slight change in the BT also.I mean the marriage period could fall in Mars-Ketu-Ketu.With RegardsAdith

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath > wrote:

Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more

clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro' the same leisurely and offer my remarks.

 

Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in

Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is

in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator

either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to

signify Moon and 7th lord. As such Ketu as seconday

planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is

not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as

a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling

8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification

only. Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his

sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord

Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage. As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent. I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose. The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg. Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP. Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu. It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord. This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay. I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up.

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

 

adith kasinath.g.k

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

dear senthilji,

I agree to the points you have raised we have to make research on some hidden rules

in timing of events.If we look at the ruling planets we see that ksk has considered current lagna

transit we take lagna starlord & signlord as RP,current moon transit we take moon starlord & signlord

as RP,next we see Hora transit the first hora of day is daylord as RP.while timing of events in

DBAS we consider the planets which fits in this transit cycle.if DBAS agrees this transit Cycle

event takes place,even though the planet may be a significator(it may be strong or weak Significator).

you have given very simple format to understand transit permutation /combination thanks for same.

regards

GOODLUCK

shrikantjin

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram Cc: punitp; gkadithkasinathSent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 5:49:41 AMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comTuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

-

Senthil

Cc: punitp ; gkadithkasinath

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation/diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

=================

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp >Re: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Thanks for your feed back. In my sw the Ketu Bukthi starts only after 27th Sep. The difference of the rules they followed as per their Panchang or Ayanamsa, the difference happens.

Thanks and RegardsAdithOn Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:12 AM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

 

I am using K.P.Astro 3.0 in which I find the DBA on the date

of marriage i.e. 11-9-1983, the DBA is Mars Dasa - Kethu

Bhukthi (from 3-7-1983 to 28-11-1983) Rahu Antharam (3-9-1983 to 25-9-1983.  So Bhukthi is only Kethu and not Merc.

Now Kethu Bhukthi is O.K. as per your Backward theory.

For her engagement of marriage might be in Merc. which

is also O.K. as Merc. in the sub of Rahu conjunct with

Satn. both signifying 2 and 3 required for engagement.

Merc. is lord of 9th required for engagement as it is

a sort of agreement. So I find the date as O.K.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

-

 

adith kasinath.g.k

Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:48 PM

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,I just got the date of marriage of my sister (the quiz 17').11/Sept/1983 sundayWhen I looked at my sw, it is falling in the Mars-Mer-Sat which ends on 24/9/83 as per my sw. It may vary from sw to sw as the difference only in days.Out of these, Sat is a strong significator of 2 but also 6 through Mercury.As I described in my earlier mail, Mercury is strongly signfies 6 . but is it is in very close conjunction to 6th cusp.and it is inits own house and also in Retro motion towards the 5th Bava. It means it will signfy 5 also.It is in the star of Rahu who signfies 2 ,3,8,12 which are favorable.It is in the sub of Rahu also who again in the star of Mercury.)the signficator of 6 and 5)Hence Mercury is both favoring and unfavoring marriage. But no so strong.But when I looked at the Transit on 11/9/83,Moon in Ven sg-Rahu starSun in Sun sg-Venus star-Mer subMars (Dasalord) in Moon sg-MER star-Rah subMER in Mer sg- Sun star-Sat subKETU- in Mars sg-MER star- JUp subMercury has become the star lord for the Mars the dasa lord!!!If Ketu were the Bukthi lord- It is also in Mercury star !!!Confusing.This is what Punit ji and I were discussing , that the DBAS transit need not be as per the strength of the planets. Even the less strong planets can cause the event in the transit.This I am taking for the Transit point of view only.But any case, the engagement got over in Mercury period as we normally finalise the marrage atleast 3 months before the marriage. I hope this period of bukthi ends in 24/9/83 could be incorrect also. I mean the Mer period should have completed before 11th itself . This could be possible due to difference in sw calculation and also any slight change in the BT also.I mean the marriage period could fall in Mars-Ketu-Ketu.With RegardsAdith  

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more

clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro'  the same leisurely and offer my remarks.

 

Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in

Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is

in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator

either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to

signify Moon and 7th lord.  As such Ketu as seconday

planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is

not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as

a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling

8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification

only.  Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his

sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord

Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage.  As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent.  I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose.  The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg.  Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP.  Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu.  It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord.  This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay.  I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No  explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up.

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

 -

 

adith kasinath.g.k

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear KSV Ramani ji,10 years difference of age between the couple is normal in our caste or area. Now a days it is getting reduced as the female mostly are sent for higher education..RegardsAdith

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:19 AM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

Thanks for ascertaining the correct date of marriage

and its analysis.  By the way, will you kindly let me

know whether it was her husband's 1st marriage or second

marriage, as I am eager to find the cause of vast difference

in age between them.

 

Thanks,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

 

adith kasinath.g.k

 

Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:48 PM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,I just got the date of marriage of my sister (the quiz 17').11/Sept/1983 sundayWhen I looked at my sw, it is falling in the Mars-Mer-Sat which ends on 24/9/83 as per my sw. It may vary from sw to sw as the difference only in days.Out of these, Sat is a strong significator of 2 but also 6 through Mercury.As I described in my earlier mail, Mercury is strongly signfies 6 . but is it is in very close conjunction to 6th cusp.and it is inits own house and also in Retro motion towards the 5th Bava. It means it will signfy 5 also.It is in the star of Rahu who signfies 2 ,3,8,12 which are favorable.It is in the sub of Rahu also who again in the star of Mercury.)the signficator of 6 and 5)Hence Mercury is both favoring and unfavoring marriage. But no so strong.But when I looked at the Transit on 11/9/83,Moon in Ven sg-Rahu starSun in Sun sg-Venus star-Mer subMars (Dasalord) in Moon sg-MER star-Rah subMER in Mer sg- Sun star-Sat subKETU- in Mars sg-MER star- JUp subMercury has become the star lord for the Mars the dasa lord!!!If Ketu were the Bukthi lord- It is also in Mercury star !!!Confusing.This is what Punit ji and I were discussing , that the DBAS transit need not be as per the strength of the planets. Even the less strong planets can cause the event in the transit.This I am taking for the Transit point of view only.But any case, the engagement got over in Mercury period as we normally finalise the marrage atleast 3 months before the marriage. I hope this period of bukthi ends in 24/9/83 could be incorrect also. I mean the Mer period should have completed before 11th itself . This could be possible due to difference in sw calculation and also any slight change in the BT also.I mean the marriage period could fall in Mars-Ketu-Ketu.With RegardsAdith  

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

Dear KSV Ramani Ji,I shall come with the actual Marriage date probably by tonight, I have already asked my mother about this.By the way, the aspects within the orbit of 3.20deg is not followed by our KSK.Also KSK has followed the traditional method of aspects only in his articles. Only later the stalwarts after him started using the western aspect that too not in all cases.KETU: Pls note the strength of Ketu:As you said, Ketu is also signifying 6 through Mercury. But it strongly signfies 7 and 11.Pls check with Backward theory:House : 7:THe lord of 7 is Moon:The planet in the star of Moon is Ketu. Ketu and Moon are the significatorsAs per Backward theory: No planet in the sub of Ketu. So Ketu is stronger. But we have to look at the strength of the co rulers of Ketu.Ketu is in the sub of Venus (who is the lord of 5,10 in 5 and no planet in its star).Venus is aspected by Sat (2) and Venus is in conjn with Sun the lord of 8.Venus is in the star of Mars in 5 (the lord of 11 and 4).Mars is in close conjun. to 6th cusp. But Mars aspects the Moon the lord of 7 Hence Ketu is connected to Moon the lord of 7 and Mars the lord of 11 and also 5THE house 11:Mars is the lord of 11.The planets in the Mars star: Mars, Sun and VenusAs per Backward theory, (the planet in the sub of the MArs, Sun and Venus).No planet in the sub of MarsRahu is in the sub of Sun Ketu is in the sub of VenusOut of the above, Rahu is also siignifying 6 through Mercury. Mars in its own star. But it is in the sub of Mercuty who is in the star of Rahu.So Mars is signifying 2,5,11,6,4. hence marriage happend in Mars dasa. Ketu is stronger through its star lord Moon and and also the sub lord as described above (for both 7 and 11).Moreover if we look at the Mercury( R) who is in 6. but it is in close conjunction to 6th cusp. It means it will have some significance of 5 also.Mercury is in the star of Rahu (who is close conjunction) to Sat the strong significator of 2.Mercury is also in the star and sub of Rahu who is in the star of Mercury itself .hence Mercury is in the control of Rahu. Hence Mercury is also signifying 2 through Rahu and 5 by conjunction apart from 6 strongly. What I am trying to say is Mercuy is having both the unfavorable and favorable signfication.Anyhow let me come back with the correct Marriage date by today evening / tomorrow morning..With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:50 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

Thanks for the details of backward theory, which is more

clarity than the example chart, which I rememberr, you used it for the first time. I shall go thro'  the same leisurely and offer my remarks.

 

Reg. Quiz No.17, marriage date of your sister falling in

Ketu sub , I have some doubts of its strength. Jupiter is

in the star of Ketu and as such he is not full significator

either for 9th as occupant nor as S/L of 3rd house to

signify Moon and 7th lord.  As such Ketu as seconday

planet signifies 7th and he is in the sub of Sun, who is

not full significator for 8th as Jupiter is strong for 8th as

a self strength planet. As such there is no use of hailling

8th signification as good. Sun is for Mars' signification

only.  Moreover Kethu as a node is agent for Mercury his

sign lord, who is strongly placed in 6th and tro' his sub lord

Rahu also gets the signification of 6 onlynot fruitful for marriage.  As such Merc.is strong for 6th and Kethu follows the footstep of Mercury as his agent.  I think for aspects, you have followed traditiona system, I suppose.  The aspects you have used are neither 3 Deg.20' as prescribed by Sri Gondhalekar for his 4 step theory or Western system of 6 Deg.  Mars is at 1 deg. & odd in Gemini and his aspect on Ketu and Moon appear to be not as per KP.  Similarly Saturn's aspect on Ketu.  It is, therefore, doubtul for Ketu appearing as Bhukthi lord.  This needs actual verification of event and not by hearesay.  I request you kindly to recheck up the possibility of the presence of Ketu in DBA. There appears to be difference of nearly 10 years in age between her and her husband. No  explainable planetary position seems here, as Saturn does not appear to have connection to her 7th house. This point may also be checked up.

 

With best wishes,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

 

 -

 

adith kasinath.g.k

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramaniRe: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comTuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit,

As per K.P., Guruji KSK has defined that the among more than one significators,the one whose star is not occupied by any Planet,is the strongest significator to give the result... !

This refers to your statement..."there is nothing like strong significator..." in your mail to the group...

Kindly elaborate and enlighten me...

Yours sincerely,

Yogesh Lajmi.

 

 

 

j shrikant <shrikantjin Cc: Senthil <athi_ramThu, 4 February, 2010 9:34:35 AMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

dear senthilji,

I agree to the points you have raised we have to make research on some hidden rules

in timing of events.If we look at the ruling planets we see that ksk has considered current lagna

transit we take lagna starlord & signlord as RP,current moon transit we take moon starlord & signlord

as RP,next we see Hora transit the first hora of day is daylord as RP.while timing of events in

DBAS we consider the planets which fits in this transit cycle.if DBAS agrees this transit Cycle

event takes place,even though the planet may be a significator( it may be strong or weak Significator) .

you have given very simple format to understand transit permutation /combination thanks for same.

regards

GOODLUCK

shrikantjin@

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comCc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.comWed, 3 February, 2010 5:49:41 AMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comTuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them.

For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of  Rahu-Rahu-Sat-SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.

In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both.

hence everything have to be kept in mind.With RegardsAdithOn Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramaniRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that " The event happens in different sequence of period "  will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event.  For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event.  Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae.  It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc.  Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give.  The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A  will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,  

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

-

 

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Adithji

 

plz check this

 

step 1            step 2                    step 3                step 4

 

occ     A        occ   A                   occ A                  occ A

pco     B        pco  B                    pco --                  pco --

psco   C        psco --                   pso G                 pso --

pcsco D       B & A are pri. sig.   G & A r the sig   A is strong sig

 

psco-- planet ©Â in the sub of constellation (B) of occupant (A)

pcsco--planet in the constellation of sub who is in the constellation of occupant

pso--planet in the sub of occupant

 

step 5

 

occ --

bl    A

follow 1 to 4

 

take example of Quiz no. 17

 

     11H

occ --

pco --

bl    -- (step 5)

pcbl     ma    sun     ve

pscbl   --       ra       mo,ke

 

if there is no planet in the sub of a planet who is posited in the star of occ or lord that planet is favourable.

so here mars is fabourable as there is no planet in its sub

 

provided its self strength  (no planet in its star or in self star) and sublevel strength are favourable (no planet in its sub r in self sub)

 

" but we have to look at the strength of the co-rulers "

 

ex.

7H

bl       mo

pcbl   ke

pscbl  --

 

pscbl ---planet in the sub of the constellation of bhava lord

 

 

" but we have to look at the strength of the co-rulers "

do you mean sub of the ketu (co-rulers)

 

plz reply

 

Regards

Anjna

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:24 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them.

For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of  Rahu-Rahu-Sat-SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.

In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both.

hence everything have to be kept in mind.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani Re: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that " The event happens in different sequence of period "  will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event.  For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event.  Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae.  It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc.  Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give.  The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A  will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,  

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr.Anjana,Actually I got little confused with your abbreviation which is more confusing than the theory!! just for lol.

I hope your points are correct.The coruler in the sense, the starlord, sublord's signfications of a planet.including their conjunction, aspect etc.,Ketu is in the star of MoonKetu in the sub of Mars

Mars in the star of MarsMars aspect MoonMars aspect Ketu Thanks and RegardsAdithOn Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:09 PM, DrAnjna Agarwal <anu0562 wrote:

Dear Adithji

 

plz check this

 

step 1            step 2                    step 3                step 4

 

occ     A        occ   A                   occ A                  occ A

pco     B        pco  B                    pco --                  pco --

psco   C        psco --                   pso G                 pso --

pcsco D       B & A are pri. sig.   G & A r the sig   A is strong sig

 

psco-- planet ©Â in the sub of constellation (B) of occupant (A)

pcsco--planet in the constellation of sub who is in the constellation of occupant

pso--planet in the sub of occupant

 

step 5

 

occ --

bl    A

follow 1 to 4

 

take example of Quiz no. 17

 

     11H

occ --

pco --

bl    -- (step 5)

pcbl     ma    sun     ve

pscbl   --       ra       mo,ke

 

if there is no planet in the sub of a planet who is posited in the star of occ or lord that planet is favourable.

so here mars is fabourable as there is no planet in its sub

 

provided its self strength  (no planet in its star or in self star) and sublevel strength are favourable (no planet in its sub r in self sub)

 

" but we have to look at the strength of the co-rulers "

 

ex.

7H

bl       mo

pcbl   ke

pscbl  --

 

pscbl ---planet in the sub of the constellation of bhava lord

 

 

" but we have to look at the strength of the co-rulers "

do you mean sub of the ketu (co-rulers)

 

plz reply

 

Regards

Anjna

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:24 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them.

For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of  Rahu-Rahu-Sat-SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.

In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both.

hence everything have to be kept in mind.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani Re: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that " The event happens in different sequence of period "  will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event.  For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event.  Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae.  It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc.  Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give.  The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A  will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,  

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.

and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction. You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathRe: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With RegardsAdith

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comWednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Senthil ji,I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.

I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.

If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction. You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.

Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.

But there are choices of  Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both.

hence everything have to be kept in mind.With RegardsAdith

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that " The event happens in different sequence of period "  will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event.  For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event.  Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae.  It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc.  Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give.  The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A  will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,  

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

[Guest guest]

Dear Adith,

Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned....Is'nt it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Sun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Senthil ji,I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comThursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Yogesh ji,The dasa lord may or may not signify the matter and may have mixed results. but should not deny the matter.Hope I am correct.RegardsAdithOn Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

                 Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned....Is'nt it ?

                 Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Sun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY 

Dear Senthil ji,I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.

I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.

If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them.

For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of  Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.

In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both.

hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that " The event happens in different sequence of period "  will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event.  For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event.  Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae.  It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc.  Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give.  The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A  will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,  

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear All

There are two different possible situations.

Dasa lord is not positive but does not negate eg for marriage does not signify 2 7 11 but at the same time does not signify 1 6 10 either.In this case a positive bhukti/antra will work.

However if dasa lord negates eg shows 1 6 10 then bhukti/antra lords can not help.

A.K.Sehgal --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: BACKWARD THEORY Cc: "Senthil" <athi_ramMonday, 8 February, 2010, 10:45 AM

 

 

Dear Adith,

Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/ sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned... .Is'nt it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Senthil ji,I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comThursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

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Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In my opinion, Dasa lord is the main planet (I would say the manager of the event) and should in anyway be connected or in other words linked to fulfil the requirements of the Bhukti lord. for example if its marriage we take 2,7,11 and 5 too. the prime requirement is the Dasa lord should first be connected or linked (how can a planet be linked:the Dasa lord can be connected in any one of the following ways by its presence in the house itself, its starlord/sublord appearing in any of the abovesaid cusps, the sign occupied by it, the planets in conjuction with it and also the aspects play a vital part in certain cases) but in no way the Dasa lord should be connected PRIMARILY with the negative houses ie 1,6,10.

 

Naresh Valecha

--- On Mon, 8/2/10, ashok sehgal <aks071945 wrote:

ashok sehgal <aks071945Re: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Monday, 8 February, 2010, 7:19 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All

There are two different possible situations.

Dasa lord is not positive but does not negate eg for marriage does not signify 2 7 11 but at the same time does not signify 1 6 10 either.In this case a positive bhukti/antra will work.

However if dasa lord negates eg shows 1 6 10 then bhukti/antra lords can not help.

A.K.Sehgal --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comCc: "Senthil" <athi_ram >Monday, 8 February, 2010, 10:45 AM

 

 

Dear Adith,

Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/ sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned... .Is'nt it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comSun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Senthil ji,I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.comThursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Adith,

According to my little knowledge of K.P.,if the Dasa Lord does not signify a matter,it will not permit the Bhukti/Anthara/Sookshma/Atisookshma lords etc., to give the result of the matter...

Kindly have a deep look at your workings and pl. check very carefully and inform please...

If you get the right answers, you have made a "new finding"... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Mon, 8 February, 2010 3:09:30 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Yogesh ji,The dasa lord may or may not signify the matter and may have mixed results. but should not deny the matter.Hope I am correct.RegardsAdith

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/ sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned... .Is'nt it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Senthil ji,

I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Yogesh ji,

 

You are correct.

 

My points were the dasa lord may not signify the events also primarily

(because a lengthy Dasa period may not signfify all the signfications of the events that would take place in its period). It may or may not signfy.

But it should not deny that. Its my point.

 Also even if the Dasa Lord signfies, if the Bukthi lord does not favor it will not give its result.

 

Hence all the DBAS should be the signfcator somehow for an event to take place.

 

Hope I am correct.

 

With Regards

Adith

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

                  According to my little knowledge of K.P.,if the Dasa Lord does not signify a matter,it will not permit the Bhukti/Anthara/Sookshma/Atisookshma lords etc., to give the result of the matter...

                 Kindly have a deep look at your workings and pl. check very carefully and inform please...

                 If you get the right answers, you have made a " new finding " ... !

                 With best wishes,

                 Yogesh Lajmi.

                                               GOOD LUCK ! 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Mon, 8 February, 2010 3:09:30 PM Re: BACKWARD THEORY 

 

Dear Yogesh ji,The dasa lord may or may not signify the matter and may have mixed results. but should not deny the matter.Hope I am correct.RegardsAdith

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

                 Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/ sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned... .Is'nt it ?

                 Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PM Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.

All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.

If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them.

For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of  Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.

In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both.

hence everything have to be kept in mind.With RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that " The event happens in different sequence of period "  will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event.  For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event.  Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae.  It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc.  Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give.  The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A  will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,  

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators.  I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only.

But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.

This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory.  In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group.  We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas.  In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. " Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted " such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord.  The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already.  So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion.  Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

  

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of  my " Backward theory " . The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.

Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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dear yogeshji,

if cuspalsublord is affirmative.

your statement is 100% true.IF DASALORD DOESNOT SIGNIFY A MATTER,IT

WILL NOT PERMIT BHUKTI,ANTHRA OR SUKSHMA OR ATISUKSHMALORDS ETC.,TO

GIVE RESULT OF THE MATTER..... Because if dasa lord is not significater of primehouse or supporting house of an event,how can we say that event can take place?

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Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Sent: Tue, 9 February, 2010 3:47:51 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

Dear Adith,

According to my little knowledge of K.P.,if the Dasa Lord does not signify a matter,it will not permit the Bhukti/Anthara/ Sookshma/ Atisookshma lords etc., to give the result of the matter...

Kindly have a deep look at your workings and pl. check very carefully and inform please...

If you get the right answers, you have made a "new finding"... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMon, 8 February, 2010 3:09:30 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Yogesh ji,The dasa lord may or may not signify the matter and may have mixed results. but should not deny the matter.Hope I am correct.RegardsAdith

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/ sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned... .Is'nt it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PM Re: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Senthil ji,

I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

 

Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

 

Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

-

Senthil

@gro ups.com

Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

============ =====

 

The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

-

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Adith,

 

//The dasa lord may or may not signify the matter and may have mixed results. but should not deny the matter.//

 

Please present/post some charts where you found DASA lord is not signifying the matter in query so that the members can discuss about such charts in details to conclude your statement/findings.

 

Regarding QUIZ-17, you have mentioned that after the announcement of results all the participant’s analysis will be disclosed. But till date you have not forwarded all the participants analysis for the Quiz-17. Why are you (punit you too) HOLDING it?

 

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: BACKWARD THEORY Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 2:17 AM

 

 

Dear Adith,

According to my little knowledge of K.P.,if the Dasa Lord does not signify a matter,it will not permit the Bhukti/Anthara/ Sookshma/ Atisookshma lords etc., to give the result of the matter...

Kindly have a deep look at your workings and pl. check very carefully and inform please...

If you get the right answers, you have made a "new finding"... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMon, 8 February, 2010 3:09:30 PMRe: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Yogesh ji,The dasa lord may or may not signify the matter and may have mixed results. but should not deny the matter.Hope I am correct.RegardsAdith

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,

Have been folowing this thread...but it is a cardinal rule of K.P., that if the asa-lord does not promise an event/matter the Bhukto/anthara/ sookshma lords are rendered powerless to materialise the matter concerned... .Is'nt it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSun, 7 February, 2010 3:18:02 PM Re: BACKWARD THEORY

Dear Senthil ji,

I was mentioning in my mails, the Dasa lord need not be a strongest one. Even a Dasa lord with mixed significators can conduct the matters.But the Sublord (bukthi lord) must be a stronger one.I hope you got my point more clearer now.All the new findings have to be analysed with 100s of charts . Even then there will be new findings later. Thats how now Kp is growing. Our Gurruji wound have done his test with 1000s of charts. Evem then we could not find the end. Because there is no end.If one says his findings through his own experience, it is upto the people to take it or not to study further.With RegardsAdith

 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith,As mentioned by you finding the sequence is difficult to attain. But regarding RPs it will be useful to find the strong signficators & DBA to some extend. During the conjoined period of the signficators the events take place and it is nothing but DBA. There are many planets may appear in the RP but still we have to eliminate some and keep minimum to decide the event. This is also a difficult task. How you handle the RP and what you request from the RP may be the result.

 

In quiz-17, i have selected more than 100 possible lagna position for the child based on parents data but with the help of RP and one Horary number(hope it is 40) i have eliminated all to fix the correct lagna (MAR or VEN lagna- Hope the child lagna is MAR sign VEN star). So even prof late KSK used some methods when more confusion arise (such as put one honey drop on the table and watch the fly is going in which direction after eating/ tasting it to give the prediction)

 

Like TinWin studied 100 AA charts for 12th CSL RAH for the verification of prisoner's charts. Kanaka bosmia is still working with many hundreds of charts to find the transit pattern to give marriage (this was told by TinWin in his messages) I have studied for about 300 charts for about Driving licence. Similarly if you fell Bukthi period is Strongest among them then you have to study more than 100 to 300 charts about one specify query (say only child birth) to find really bukthi must be strong to give the result? (the approach/RULE must have some reasonable logic & consistency also).

 

This is really a painful job but If you do this i am sure that you will become a MASTER in CHILD BIRTH (still you will not get 100% but very high improvement /increase in % of success, confidence etc) and other astrological findings/prediction . You do handwork be sincere, dedication and with all your knowledge defiantly the results will be GOOD. Now you have to come out with your findings with minimum 100 charts to discuss further. I am also advising to all our forum members that those who want to improve/learn take the pain. WITHOUT PAIN NO GAIN.

 

GOOD LUCK!!D.Senthil--- On Thu, 2/4/10, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

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Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:54 AM

 

Dear Senthil ji,RPs will be useful to find the strong signficators who are going to conduct the event. But the sequence is difficult to attain.Because all the DBAS lords may appear as RPs.Dasa Lord can be fixed. The bukthi lord and the Andra can be sequenced as per the order which is coming first but the event will take place mostly in the Bukthi period of Strongest among them. For example, in Quiz 17, Rahu, Sat and Sun were the planets played role as DBA.But there are choices of Rahu-Rahu-Sat- SUn period also.But it did not happen,Also my sister went for the treatment only in the Sat period.In this, the delay may be cross checked with his husband's chart where his period till 1991 the Bukthi lords were not favoring. Only the Rahu was favoring. Hence it got delayed and happened at the favorable period for both. hence everything have to be kept in mind.With

RegardsAdith

 

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani,

 

Your understanding is correct. I have told that the planets A, B & C are the significators of the required houses under consideration. However the selection of sequence is the most difficult exercise for which RP is the only tool available to us to decide the DBA in some extend.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

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Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:55 PM

 

 Dear Sri Senthil,

 

Your statement that "The event happens in different sequence of period" will be alright for ordinary and unimportant event. For important events such as marriage, getting child etc. I feel that the main Dasa lord should signify such event. Bhukthi and Anthara can get interchanged as per your formulae. It is KP Rule that

Dasa Lord is like Prime Minister, Bhukthi and Anthara lords

are Minister, Secretaries etc. Bhukthi and Anthara cannot

overrule the Dasa Lord and give give the result of their own.

If Dasa Lord does not signify the major event, Bhukthi and

Anthara Lord cannot give. The events signified by B and C

lords can occur in their major Dasa period, when A will

have minor role or co-operating the major dasa planet.

This is my opinion, Your comment please.

 

Truly yours,

 

K.S,V,Ramani

 

 

 

 

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Senthil

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Cc: punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com ; gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 5:49 AM

Re: BACKWARD THEORY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

I agree with you. The RP is the tool which helps to choose the DBAS to some extend.

 

For Example, as i mentioned earlier, the event happens in different sequence of period like

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-A (Bbukthi)-B (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-A (Anthra)

 

A(Dasa)-B (Bbukthi)-C (Anthra)

 

Where,

A= Any planet signifying the required house

 

B = Any planet signifying the required house, except A

 

C = Any planet signifying the required house, except A & B

 

Moreover Same DB can give positive as well negative result (example marriage/seperation /diveorce, child birth/death etc)

 

It is very difficult to pinpoint the events as there are many hidden RULES yet to be found and only the RP gives some clue to select DBAS at some extent. In my opinion even though the RP's of the individual astrologer's may differ they try to give the focus to the particular point and individual's interpretation leads to different result.

 

NOTE to PUNIT/ADITH

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The result of the QUIZ-17 is declared but the participant’s approach/analysis is not posted yet in the forum except the one or two out of 17 participants. This is not posted may be due to their wrong answer but it doesn’t matter member's should know and discuss all the cases not only Winner’s Analysis/Approach including RP's used by few of the participants. Hope Punit/Adith will do the needful.

 

GOOD LUCK!!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: BACKWARD THEORY@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:42 AM

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I see a glitch on the basic thought of strong sifnificators. I also said earlier that there is nothing like strong significators and let me repeat it again.

 

For example, we know that significator of 2,6,10,11 gives promotion. Now we will notice that the person runs different DBAS sequence every time he got promoted. Suppose we identified four strong significators out of significators of 2, 6, 10 and 11. We will not get DBAS for the same four planets every-time one has promotion. The planet will change and we can test it on horoscopes. It is not strong significators that give results but the all the signifiactors in an unknown order. This unknown order is fixed by RP.

 

In other words, there is a variable factor in KP which is judged by taking help of RP. Instead of trying to figure out strong significator, we should try to see which singificator can fulfill event under consideration.

 

To reiterate, there is nothing like strong significator, but correct significator for event under consideration, in my opinion. An event related to significaotrs can happen multiple time and not every time we will get the same DBAS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:23 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Pls note the usage of my Backward theory is usefule in finding the strongest significators.Out of the seprs i have given only the Step 2 is the Backward theory and the other points are all ususal points .All are from the KP only. But the reason I have given is to follow all the steps to find the signfificators without leaving any room.Moreover, you may miss a fruitful significator which could be found only through backward theory.and also we can not take up a significator as fruitful just beacsue its sublord is untenanted. We have to look at everypoints for their strength as I said.This will be a tedious work to work out all the steps to select the signfificators. But to get the better results we have to do it.And this is not for the Beginners.With RegardsAdith

 

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:29 PM, kadavasalramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Adithji,

 

This is in continuatuin of my mail dated 31st Jany.2010,

reg. Backward Theory. You have taken lot of pains to

prepare the list of significators with various steps (upto V)

with inclusion of backward theory. In KP system, there is

already method to find significators thro A to E. i.e. from

Planet in the star of occupant to sundry planets connected

with each Bhava by aspects, conjunction etc. to each Bhava. We know the group of Bhavas required to be judged

for each event. We can select the significators connected

to the respective group. We also know a planet or Bhava

will be useful for the event when its sub lord is found

connected to the required Bhavas. In addition to this our

late Guruji Sri KSK's Golden Rule as reproduced in an

article of KP Monthly Magazine of Novr.90 and August 1994

may kindly be seen. "Take the planets which are posited in the sub of the significators, whose constellations are not

tenanted" such planets will be the strongest for the matter.

Other Planets are all either stronger or strong or weak

according to the strength of sub lord. The Planets which

are not at all conncted with useful sub, are the weakest.

These rules are followed by most of us already. So many steps, use of backward theory etc. may cause confusion. Kindly simplify the method to be useful to all especially beginners.

 

Thanking you,

Truly yours,

 

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

 

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adith kasinath.g.k

@gro ups.com

Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:55 PM

BACKWARD THEORY [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

Dear KSV Ramani ji,Further to your requisite, I am sending again the details of my "Backward theory". The file is attached herewith.I have also added in the file section also for any further reference and comments.Your further study and comments are welcome.With RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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