Orbs to be taken for conjunction or aspects

February 10, 2010

Friends

I have been going through the oldest posts, and found certain posts need

urgent attention of the new comer in the list.

When we are using krishnamurti padhati and derived 249 subs out of 360

degrees zodiac, use of orb of 3 degree 20 minutes i.e. navmasa is contrary to

the principles of kp. When all types of strong significations of planets if the

event is not assured then the use of aspects and that too sign to sign are

generally taken for consideration. As we know specifically that by going

forward or backward to the long. of planets/cusps, possibility of changing the

lord of sub of that cusp/planet is there. If lord of subs have been different

then how we can take them as unique and consider for prediction. So I

personally take the orb only to the extent of the period/longitude of the

planet/cusps which is having the same sub.

Suppose X planet is having long. Aries 13.20.45 here the sign lord is Mars,

Star Lord if Venus and sub lord is also Venus. If we take orb of 3 degrees 20

minutes prior to this long. in other words, planet Y is on long. Aries 10.21.30.

Sign lord Mars, Constellation Lord Ketu and sub lord will be the difernt.

The same crieteria should be followed for conjunction as well as aspects and

especially it will be very helpful when we consider the aspects on cusps.

With regards

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

, Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Siddhartha,

> Thanks a lot for the reply.

> I am in full agreement with you that most of the laws even in kp readers are

not working in toto and many things are new which have not been mentioned in the

books.

> For example: for ruling planets the sub of moon works. and many more....

>

> As it is my privledge to meet you in this forum , I would certianly take the

advantage of your opinions. Well, please be sure, I will not bother you to

devinate horary charts for me but many a times I come across the situation where

I am in fix and need guidance to come out of my confusion.

>

> At this juncture, I will request you to kndly ans 2 of my querry:

>

> Do you take aspects/conjunctions from sign to sign or you consider 3 deg 20

min orb ? Same way the aspect of planet to the cusp?

>

> In the book of Late. Shiri Shanmugham 2 deg orb is given only for conjuctions

but nothing has been said about the aspects. In forums few astrologers are

taking 3 deg 20 min orb for planet and cusp aspects.

> In my little experience I have found that sign to sign aspect is applicable

and conjuctions are also the same i.e if the planets are in same sign they are

conjunt but i have seen that the planet with in the 5 deg orb show better

effects than beyond this. The planets aspecting/conjunct beyond 5 deg orb show

weak sig of aspect /conjuction.

>

> What is your experience?

>

> Do you consider the 5/9 aspect of rahu/ketu? Are you also applying the western

aspects in the chart?

>

> I will eagerly wait for your kind reply,

> with regards,

>

> Anurodh.

> Shubham Mondal <shubham_mondal wrote:

> Dear Anurodh

>

> As far as I know that KP Monthly magazines were

> published a few years ago but now they are publishing

> KP Year Book and Yearly Mazagine. You may collect all

> the old magazine from the Astrologers who are

> practising on KP for a long time.

>

> But my dear friend, as I am researching on it, I have

> observed most of the formulas of KP books and mazagine

> are not agreeing with the prediction. Don't try to

> take all the formula in toto. Better buy a good

> software and make random hororay you will get

> excellent success in KP provided if you basic

> knowledge in KP. From KP books and mazagine take only

> basic law. However, if you are interested I will help

> you how to collect and making constant research and

> thus find out the formula. Remember with the

> continuous changing of time everything is getting

> changed so what discovered yesterday cannot have full

> similarity with today. Again, What have discovered

> today will not have full similarity with the days

> coming ahead.

>

> Astrologically yours,

> SIDDHARTHA

> KP RESEARCHER

>

> --- Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:

> > Dear list,

> > Can any one help me to find a suitable journal

> > /monthly magazine on KP published in india.

> > If yes pls send me the postal adress or email id.

> > Any more info on it, is welcome.

> >

> > eagerly waiting

> >

> > regards.

> > Anurodh

> >

> > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

>

> SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

> http://sbc.

>

February 10, 2010

Dear Sirs,

If You take conjunction to be considered as orbs only if within same

sub, then how would you delineate the results in case of two planets

like Jupiter or Saturn, or Mars and Rahu suppose if in same sub, and

bifercate which Dasha would be more better to the native ? The previous

one or the latter one ?

And please specify , if within 3.20 degrees but not in same sub, then

you would not consider them as Conjunct ?

And what principle would you use for aspects ? The same as above ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " guide "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

> Friends

> I have been going through the oldest posts, and found certain posts

need urgent attention of the new comer in the list.

> When we are using krishnamurti padhati and derived 249 subs out of 360

degrees zodiac, use of orb of 3 degree 20 minutes i.e. navmasa is

contrary to the principles of kp. When all types of strong

significations of planets if the event is not assured then the use of

aspects and that too sign to sign are generally taken for consideration.

As we know specifically that by going forward or backward to the long.

of planets/cusps, possibility of changing the lord of sub of that

cusp/planet is there. If lord of subs have been different then how we

can take them as unique and consider for prediction. So I personally

take the orb only to the extent of the period/longitude of the

planet/cusps which is having the same sub.

> Suppose X planet is having long. Aries 13.20.45 here the sign lord is

Mars, Star Lord if Venus and sub lord is also Venus. If we take orb of 3

degrees 20 minutes prior to this long. in other words, planet Y is on

long. Aries 10.21.30. Sign lord Mars, Constellation Lord Ketu and sub

lord will be the difernt.

> The same crieteria should be followed for conjunction as well as

aspects and especially it will be very helpful when we consider the

aspects on cusps.

> With regards

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

>

> , Anurodh Kumar anurodh1@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Siddhartha,

> > Thanks a lot for the reply.

> > I am in full agreement with you that most of the laws even in kp

readers are not working in toto and many things are new which have not

been mentioned in the books.

> > For example: for ruling planets the sub of moon works. and many

more....

> >

> > As it is my privledge to meet you in this forum , I would certianly

take the advantage of your opinions. Well, please be sure, I will not

bother you to devinate horary charts for me but many a times I come

across the situation where I am in fix and need guidance to come out of

my confusion.

> >

> > At this juncture, I will request you to kndly ans 2 of my querry:

> >

> > Do you take aspects/conjunctions from sign to sign or you consider 3

deg 20 min orb ? Same way the aspect of planet to the cusp?

> >

> > In the book of Late. Shiri Shanmugham 2 deg orb is given only for

conjuctions but nothing has been said about the aspects. In forums few

astrologers are taking 3 deg 20 min orb for planet and cusp aspects.

> > In my little experience I have found that sign to sign aspect is

applicable and conjuctions are also the same i.e if the planets are in

same sign they are conjunt but i have seen that the planet with in the 5

deg orb show better effects than beyond this. The planets

aspecting/conjunct beyond 5 deg orb show weak sig of aspect /conjuction.

> >

> > What is your experience?

> >

> > Do you consider the 5/9 aspect of rahu/ketu? Are you also applying

the western aspects in the chart?

> >

> > I will eagerly wait for your kind reply,

> > with regards,

> >

> > Anurodh.

> > Shubham Mondal shubham_mondal@ wrote:

> > Dear Anurodh

> >

> > As far as I know that KP Monthly magazines were

> > published a few years ago but now they are publishing

> > KP Year Book and Yearly Mazagine. You may collect all

> > the old magazine from the Astrologers who are

> > practising on KP for a long time.

> >

> > But my dear friend, as I am researching on it, I have

> > observed most of the formulas of KP books and mazagine

> > are not agreeing with the prediction. Don't try to

> > take all the formula in toto. Better buy a good

> > software and make random hororay you will get

> > excellent success in KP provided if you basic

> > knowledge in KP. From KP books and mazagine take only

> > basic law. However, if you are interested I will help

> > you how to collect and making constant research and

> > thus find out the formula. Remember with the

> > continuous changing of time everything is getting

> > changed so what discovered yesterday cannot have full

> > similarity with today. Again, What have discovered

> > today will not have full similarity with the days

> > coming ahead.

> >

> > Astrologically yours,

> > SIDDHARTHA

> > KP RESEARCHER

> >

> > --- Anurodh Kumar anurodh1@ wrote:

> > > Dear list,

> > > Can any one help me to find a suitable journal

> > > /monthly magazine on KP published in india.

> > > If yes pls send me the postal adress or email id.

> > > Any more info on it, is welcome.

> > >

> > > eagerly waiting

> > >

> > > regards.

> > > Anurodh

> > >

> > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

> >

> > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

> > http://sbc.

> >

February 11, 2010

dear vijayanand,

can you provide a single example for your quote.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:30 PM, guide <guide_vijayanand wrote:

FriendsI have been going through the oldest posts, and found certain posts need urgent attention of the new comer in the list.When we are using krishnamurti padhati and derived 249 subs out of 360 degrees zodiac, use of orb of 3 degree 20 minutes i.e. navmasa is contrary to the principles of kp. When all types of strong significations of planets if the event is not assured then the use of aspects and that too sign to sign are generally taken for consideration. As we know specifically that by going forward or backward to the long. of planets/cusps, possibility of changing the lord of sub of that cusp/planet is there. If lord of subs have been different then how we can take them as unique and consider for prediction. So I personally take the orb only to the extent of the period/longitude of the planet/cusps which is having the same sub.

Suppose X planet is having long. Aries 13.20.45 here the sign lord is Mars, Star Lord if Venus and sub lord is also Venus. If we take orb of 3 degrees 20 minutes prior to this long. in other words, planet Y is on long. Aries 10.21.30. Sign lord Mars, Constellation Lord Ketu and sub lord will be the difernt.

The same crieteria should be followed for conjunction as well as aspects and especially it will be very helpful when we consider the aspects on cusps.With regardsVijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303 , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Siddhartha,

> Thanks a lot for the reply.> I am in full agreement with you that most of the laws even in kp readers are not working in toto and many things are new which have not been mentioned in the books.> For example: for ruling planets the sub of moon works. and many more....

> > As it is my privledge to meet you in this forum , I would certianly take the advantage of your opinions. Well, please be sure, I will not bother you to devinate horary charts for me but many a times I come across the situation where I am in fix and need guidance to come out of my confusion.

> > At this juncture, I will request you to kndly ans 2 of my querry:> > Do you take aspects/conjunctions from sign to sign or you consider 3 deg 20 min orb ? Same way the aspect of planet to the cusp?

> > In the book of Late. Shiri Shanmugham 2 deg orb is given only for conjuctions but nothing has been said about the aspects. In forums few astrologers are taking 3 deg 20 min orb for planet and cusp aspects.

> In my little experience I have found that sign to sign aspect is applicable and conjuctions are also the same i.e if the planets are in same sign they are conjunt but i have seen that the planet with in the 5 deg orb show better effects than beyond this. The planets aspecting/conjunct beyond 5 deg orb show weak sig of aspect /conjuction.

> > What is your experience?> > Do you consider the 5/9 aspect of rahu/ketu? Are you also applying the western aspects in the chart?> > > I will eagerly wait for your kind reply,

> with regards,> > Anurodh.> Shubham Mondal <shubham_mondal wrote:> Dear Anurodh> > As far as I know that KP Monthly magazines were> published a few years ago but now they are publishing

> KP Year Book and Yearly Mazagine. You may collect all> the old magazine from the Astrologers who are> practising on KP for a long time. > > But my dear friend, as I am researching on it, I have

> observed most of the formulas of KP books and mazagine> are not agreeing with the prediction. Don't try to> take all the formula in toto. Better buy a good> software and make random hororay you will get

> excellent success in KP provided if you basic> knowledge in KP. From KP books and mazagine take only> basic law. However, if you are interested I will help> you how to collect and making constant research and

> thus find out the formula. Remember with the> continuous changing of time everything is getting> changed so what discovered yesterday cannot have full> similarity with today. Again, What have discovered

> today will not have full similarity with the days> coming ahead. > > Astrologically yours,> SIDDHARTHA> KP RESEARCHER> > --- Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:

> > Dear list,> > Can any one help me to find a suitable journal> > /monthly magazine on KP published in india.> > If yes pls send me the postal adress or email id.> > Any more info on it, is welcome.

> > > > eagerly waiting> > > > regards.> > Anurodh> > > > > > > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

> > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!> http://sbc.>

>

February 12, 2010

Dear Sri Vijayanandji,

I am having a chart where Jupiter is posited in 7th Bhavam

at 13 deg.26'-22" and the 8th Bhavam cusp falls at 15 deg.

41'-16". Both are in Aquarious sign. Jupiter's position is

Saturn-Moon-Rahu as sign, star and sub respectively, while

8th cuspal position is 15 Deg.41-16" Saturn-Moon-Saturn.

Here cuspal sub position is different for each. So by

Sri Gondhalekar's 4 step theory, Jupiter is within 3 Deg.20'

This means Jupiter in conjunct with 8th cusp and will give

the result of 8th bhavam. What I understand from your

statement is that Jupiter can be taken as conjunct upto

13 deg.53'-20" only i.e. upto the end of Rahu Sub and not beyond that because after that the sub changes to Jupiter.

Hence Jupiter cannot be treated as conjunt with 8th cusp.

Am I correct Sir? My opinion is that we need not restrict

it to the same sub in such cases and that we may take

Sri Gondhalekar's theory as correct for the reason that

K.P system does not cover Navamsa theory. It is for

Sri Gondhalekar to elucidate this point. I am anxiously

awaiting the reslt of your good and reasonable topic.

Truly yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

-

guide

Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:30 PM

Orbs to be taken for conjunction or aspects

FriendsI have been going through the oldest posts, and found certain posts need urgent attention of the new comer in the list.When we are using krishnamurti padhati and derived 249 subs out of 360 degrees zodiac, use of orb of 3 degree 20 minutes i.e. navmasa is contrary to the principles of kp. When all types of strong significations of planets if the event is not assured then the use of aspects and that too sign to sign are generally taken for consideration. As we know specifically that by going forward or backward to the long. of planets/cusps, possibility of changing the lord of sub of that cusp/planet is there. If lord of subs have been different then how we can take them as unique and consider for prediction. So I personally take the orb only to the extent of the period/longitude of the planet/cusps which is having the same sub.Suppose X planet is having long. Aries 13.20.45 here the sign lord is Mars, Star Lord if Venus and sub lord is also Venus. If we take orb of 3 degrees 20 minutes prior to this long. in other words, planet Y is on long. Aries 10.21.30. Sign lord Mars, Constellation Lord Ketu and sub lord will be the difernt.The same crieteria should be followed for conjunction as well as aspects and especially it will be very helpful when we consider the aspects on cusps.With regardsVijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, MaharashtraCell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303 , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Siddhartha,> Thanks a lot for the reply.> I am in full agreement with you that most of the laws even in kp readers are not working in toto and many things are new which have not been mentioned in the books.> For example: for ruling planets the sub of moon works. and many more....> > As it is my privledge to meet you in this forum , I would certianly take the advantage of your opinions. Well, please be sure, I will not bother you to devinate horary charts for me but many a times I come across the situation where I am in fix and need guidance to come out of my confusion.> > At this juncture, I will request you to kndly ans 2 of my querry:> > Do you take aspects/conjunctions from sign to sign or you consider 3 deg 20 min orb ? Same way the aspect of planet to the cusp?> > In the book of Late. Shiri Shanmugham 2 deg orb is given only for conjuctions but nothing has been said about the aspects. In forums few astrologers are taking 3 deg 20 min orb for planet and cusp aspects.> In my little experience I have found that sign to sign aspect is applicable and conjuctions are also the same i.e if the planets are in same sign they are conjunt but i have seen that the planet with in the 5 deg orb show better effects than beyond this. The planets aspecting/conjunct beyond 5 deg orb show weak sig of aspect /conjuction.> > What is your experience?> > Do you consider the 5/9 aspect of rahu/ketu? Are you also applying the western aspects in the chart?> > > I will eagerly wait for your kind reply,> with regards,> > Anurodh.> Shubham Mondal <shubham_mondal wrote:> Dear Anurodh> > As far as I know that KP Monthly magazines were> published a few years ago but now they are publishing> KP Year Book and Yearly Mazagine. You may collect all> the old magazine from the Astrologers who are> practising on KP for a long time. > > But my dear friend, as I am researching on it, I have> observed most of the formulas of KP books and mazagine> are not agreeing with the prediction. Don't try to> take all the formula in toto. Better buy a good> software and make random hororay you will get> excellent success in KP provided if you basic> knowledge in KP. From KP books and mazagine take only> basic law. However, if you are interested I will help> you how to collect and making constant research and> thus find out the formula. Remember with the> continuous changing of time everything is getting> changed so what discovered yesterday cannot have full> similarity with today. Again, What have discovered> today will not have full similarity with the days> coming ahead. > > Astrologically yours,> SIDDHARTHA> KP RESEARCHER> > --- Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:> > Dear list,> > Can any one help me to find a suitable journal> > /monthly magazine on KP published in india.> > If yes pls send me the postal adress or email id.> > Any more info on it, is welcome.> > > > eagerly waiting> > > > regards.> > Anurodh> > > > > > > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!> > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!> http://sbc.> >

February 12, 2010

Dear Sri Vijayanandji,

Nice topic. I have a chart of Gemini Lagna native, where

Jupiter is in Capricorn 7th Bhava at 13 deg-26'-22"

Saturn-Moon-Rahu as sign, star and sub respectively.

(It gets 197 out of 249) 8th Bhavam falls in the same Capricorn sign at 15 deg.-41'-16" Saturn-Moon-Saturn as sign, star and sub respectively.(199 out of 249 sub-nos.) As per Shri Gondhalekar's 4 step theory, it is within 3 deg.20' orb for conjunction of Jupiter with 8th cusp and Jupiter is supposed to give the result of 8th Bhava. Sublord is different for Jupiter and 8th cusp. As per your saying, as I understand, you will consider it as conjunction upto 13 deg.53'-20" upto which Rahu sub exists and after that it will be Jupiter sub. In shor your view is that conjunction should be within the same sub. Am I correct Sir? In my opinion

3 deg.20' orb of 4 step theory is correct for the reason

that in KP system, Navamsa theory is not recognised,

thogh Dr.K.R.Kar in his sub-sub theory has used Navamsa

of Navamsa as sub-sub. It is for Sri Gondhalekar to

elucidate this point, which I am also eagerly awaiting.

Truly yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

-

guide

Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:30 PM

Orbs to be taken for conjunction or aspects

FriendsI have been going through the oldest posts, and found certain posts need urgent attention of the new comer in the list.When we are using krishnamurti padhati and derived 249 subs out of 360 degrees zodiac, use of orb of 3 degree 20 minutes i.e. navmasa is contrary to the principles of kp. When all types of strong significations of planets if the event is not assured then the use of aspects and that too sign to sign are generally taken for consideration. As we know specifically that by going forward or backward to the long. of planets/cusps, possibility of changing the lord of sub of that cusp/planet is there. If lord of subs have been different then how we can take them as unique and consider for prediction. So I personally take the orb only to the extent of the period/longitude of the planet/cusps which is having the same sub.Suppose X planet is having long. Aries 13.20.45 here the sign lord is Mars, Star Lord if Venus and sub lord is also Venus. If we take orb of 3 degrees 20 minutes prior to this long. in other words, planet Y is on long. Aries 10.21.30. Sign lord Mars, Constellation Lord Ketu and sub lord will be the difernt.The same crieteria should be followed for conjunction as well as aspects and especially it will be very helpful when we consider the aspects on cusps.With regardsVijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, MaharashtraCell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303 , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Siddhartha,> Thanks a lot for the reply.> I am in full agreement with you that most of the laws even in kp readers are not working in toto and many things are new which have not been mentioned in the books.> For example: for ruling planets the sub of moon works. and many more....> > As it is my privledge to meet you in this forum , I would certianly take the advantage of your opinions. Well, please be sure, I will not bother you to devinate horary charts for me but many a times I come across the situation where I am in fix and need guidance to come out of my confusion.> > At this juncture, I will request you to kndly ans 2 of my querry:> > Do you take aspects/conjunctions from sign to sign or you consider 3 deg 20 min orb ? Same way the aspect of planet to the cusp?> > In the book of Late. Shiri Shanmugham 2 deg orb is given only for conjuctions but nothing has been said about the aspects. In forums few astrologers are taking 3 deg 20 min orb for planet and cusp aspects.> In my little experience I have found that sign to sign aspect is applicable and conjuctions are also the same i.e if the planets are in same sign they are conjunt but i have seen that the planet with in the 5 deg orb show better effects than beyond this. The planets aspecting/conjunct beyond 5 deg orb show weak sig of aspect /conjuction.> > What is your experience?> > Do you consider the 5/9 aspect of rahu/ketu? Are you also applying the western aspects in the chart?> > > I will eagerly wait for your kind reply,> with regards,> > Anurodh.> Shubham Mondal <shubham_mondal wrote:> Dear Anurodh> > As far as I know that KP Monthly magazines were> published a few years ago but now they are publishing> KP Year Book and Yearly Mazagine. You may collect all> the old magazine from the Astrologers who are> practising on KP for a long time. > > But my dear friend, as I am researching on it, I have> observed most of the formulas of KP books and mazagine> are not agreeing with the prediction. Don't try to> take all the formula in toto. Better buy a good> software and make random hororay you will get> excellent success in KP provided if you basic> knowledge in KP. From KP books and mazagine take only> basic law. However, if you are interested I will help> you how to collect and making constant research and> thus find out the formula. Remember with the> continuous changing of time everything is getting> changed so what discovered yesterday cannot have full> similarity with today. Again, What have discovered> today will not have full similarity with the days> coming ahead. > > Astrologically yours,> SIDDHARTHA> KP RESEARCHER> > --- Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1 wrote:> > Dear list,> > Can any one help me to find a suitable journal> > /monthly magazine on KP published in india.> > If yes pls send me the postal adress or email id.> > Any more info on it, is welcome.> > > > eagerly waiting> > > > regards.> > Anurodh> > > > > > > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!> > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!> http://sbc.> >