Charakaraka replacement clarifications (was: MKS)

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|| Hare Rama Krushna ||Namaskaar Rafal Ji,> Yes the Devatas dont get replaced, otherwise take the new one for Rasi > Yogas.You specifically used the term "Rasi Yogas". Does this imply that in Varga we take old chara karaka for yoga considerations? For example, to see if the person will actually be given Diksha, should we take yoga between new karakamsa and vijnanamsa therefrom, or should we take the yoga between old karakamsa and vinanamsa therefrom?Also, here is the main question - why do we see Devataa from the original chara karaka instead of the new chara karaka? One explanation I read somewhere stated something like "because the soul doesn't change with chara karaka replacement, only the attitude changes" as a possible reason. Okay, so if the soul doesn't change when it comes to deciphering deities for sadhana, then why should the soul change (in a manner of speaking) when it comes to yogas, marana karaka sthana, etc.?I am sorry if I sound persistent, but I have to understand this properly. Many thanks for your patience with my questions.May Sri Vishnu bless us all,Reema.sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:>> *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> Dear Reema, Namaskar> > Yes the Devatas dont get replaced, otherwise take the new one for Rasi > Yogas.> > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > Reema Patel Sriganesh pisze:> >> > *|| Hare Rama Krushna ||*> >> > Namaskaar Rafal Ji,> >> > Thank you for clarifying with regards to marana karaka sthana in case > > of charakaraka replacement.> >> > I once again ask specifically about Yogas - should we take the new > > charakaraka or the original charakaraka when considering Yogas such as > > AK-AmK conjunction leading to rajayoga, etc.?> >> > The reason this question arises is because we always discern Devatas > > from the original charakaraka even after replacement.> >> > *With the blessings of Sri Vishnu* ,> > Reema.> >> > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > Dear Reema, Namaskar> > >> > > After the natural age of planet - from the new one of course. I have AK> > > (Ju in 5) and AmK (Me in 4) Ck replacement whick makes person> > > karma-yogi/focused on career/mission (basedon Ak+Amk and 4H/5H > > yoga). So> > > after 31/33 Budha will become AK and Jupiter (karaka in CK scheme) will> > > become new-AmK. So now 4/7/3 (MKS) from new-AK (Budha) will become > > house> > > of rejection (instead of 3/6) which for my case its still DK, 11L, 6L,> > > Ke/Ma, A3 (all placed in 4 from Budha-new-Ak) .> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > >> > >> > > Reema Patel Sriganesh pisze:> > > >> > > > * || Hare Rama Krushna || *> > > >> > > > Namaskaar Rafal Ji,> > > >> > > > In case of charakaraka replacement, should we see MKS from the new> > > > charakaraka, or should we continue to consider the old charakaraka > > for> > > > this purpose? In fact, I'd like to broaden my question and ask this -> > > >> > > > In case of charakaraka replacement, should we consider the yogas, the> > > > MKS placement, pachakadi sambandha, etc. from the new charakaraka or> > > > the old?> > > >> > > > Thank you.> > > >> > > > * May Sri Vishnu bless us all *,> > > > Reema.> > > >> > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > Dear SS, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > The idea is that Marana karaka sthana shows the weak point, now > > to see> > > > > what is afflicted you should analyze more to find more dosha. If the> > > > > bhava is not afflicted then there is not big> > > > > loss/obstruction/ affliction. Surely all three karakas suffer,> > > > therefore> > > > > Surya in 12H in Muhurta is bad for resources and spirituality.> > > > >> > > > > Reg. curse then surely the house of most malefic planet suffer > > the most> > > > > in its Moola dasa period. If curse is in dusthana then it can be for> > > > > whole life. We also see houses in naisargika chakra, for example > > Guru> > > > > curse shows problem with studies and father because its lord Dhanus> > > > > which is natural ninth sign. For Charakarakas MKS and Pachakadi> > > > > Sambandha are especially important, therefore we judge MKS from > > AK to> > > > > see what is the rejected element by the soul.> > > > >> > > > > Saving factors are indeed important, therefore we judge few more > > things> > > > > to conclude about the extent of curse or mks placement.> > > > >> > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@> > > > >> > > > > Soul Sadhak pisze:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you for the reply.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Can the same apply to a planet that is cursed - e.g. if > > Jupiter is> > > > > > cursed, then all 3 karakattvas can suffer (? and house lorded > > too) or> > > > > > the house of placement of the curse that suffers?> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. If saving factors are there in the chart for a particular> > > > > > karakatva then the problem may be reduced for that one atleast > > - so> > > > > > all 3 may not suffer altogether?> > > > > >> > > > > > Many Thanx> > > > > > SS> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40. com>,> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > > > > Dear SS , Namaskar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. All three. The most - house lorded by planet and aspected by> > > > > > malefic> > > > > > > - suffers.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Yes, especially from bhava karaka in Varga.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: rafal@> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Soul Sadhak pisze:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Re. planets in marana karaka sthana:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. If we say the karakattva of the planet in mks suffers, then> > > > > > which of> > > > > > > > karakattvas are being referred to: naisargika, chara, sthira?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Charakarakas are referred to in the book Narayana Dasa, > > but how> > > > > > about> > > > > > > > the other 2?)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Can MKS of a karaka wrt relevant bhava be considered:> > > > > > > > e.g. Ju 3rd from 5th house (children, mantra etc),> > > > > > > > Mo 8th from 4th house (mother)> > > > > > > > Ma 7th from 4th house (property)> > > > > > > > and likewise.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Many Thanx> > > > > > > > SS> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>