Guest guest Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Dear Reema and Rafal, Thanks for taking the discussion to another level. As the soul is pure, it actually doesnt need any path. AK (i think) shows the problem/issue in that sheath around the soul that needs to be worked at (in the given lifetime to which that AK is assigned / acquired based on past life karma), and 12th from it would indicate what would help in arriving at that resolution (liberation from that problem or issue). Now, with change in Vimsottari dasa, the inclination (@mana/Moon - a still outer/grosser sheath) towards a particular deity is seen to change, then with CKR involving AK, the approach to resolving the problem may change too - the atman (that is the spark of the Supreme) doesn't change. Deities are akin to different paths towards that Absolute Being (or whatever IT IS) which is beyond all gunas. Planets, whether they indicate a karaka or a deity will have guna associated with them - and they are liable to changes. Actually it would be better if people having undergone such change in AK or BK have experience related to any change they themselves experienced realted to deities or spiritual approaches could contribute to the learning in this regard....until then we can only debate or discuss. Sorry if i rambled too much - these are just some thoughts; but i guess they essentially are synchronous with what Rafal said in point 3. i.e. if the CK changes, the guna changes - so our question remains - why not the approach? Best Regards, SS sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Reema, Namaskar > > 1. For Varga you take the replaced karaka also. > 2. For Diksha - I must admit, im not sure. Intuition tells me to take > original karaka. > 3. Good explanation but there are many doubts with it. Soul is always > pure and CK only shows the samskaras attached which broaden the crystal > light into colours of gunas when attached to the sarira. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > Reema Patel Sriganesh pisze: > > > > * || Hare Rama Krushna || * > > > > Namaskaar Rafal Ji, > > > > > Yes the Devatas dont get replaced, otherwise take the new one for Rasi > > > Yogas. > > > > You specifically used the term " Rasi Yogas " . Does this imply that in > > Varga we take old chara karaka for yoga considerations? For example, > > to see if the person will actually be given Diksha, should we take > > yoga between new karakamsa and vijnanamsa therefrom, or should we take > > the yoga between old karakamsa and vinanamsa therefrom? > > > > Also, here is the main question - /why do we see Devataa from the > > original chara karaka instead of the new chara karaka? /One > > explanation I read somewhere stated something like " because the soul > > doesn't change with chara karaka replacement, only the attitude > > changes " as a possible reason. Okay, so if the soul doesn't change > > when it comes to deciphering deities for sadhana, then why should the > > soul change (in a manner of speaking) when it comes to yogas, marana > > karaka sthana, etc.? > > > > I am sorry if I sound persistent, but I have to understand this > > properly. Many thanks for your patience with my questions. > > > > *May Sri Vishnu bless us all* , > > Reema. > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Reema, Namaskar > > > > > > Yes the Devatas dont get replaced, otherwise take the new one for Rasi > > > Yogas. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > Reema Patel Sriganesh pisze: > > > > > > > > *|| Hare Rama Krushna ||* > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Rafal Ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you for clarifying with regards to marana karaka sthana in case > > > > of charakaraka replacement. > > > > > > > > I once again ask specifically about Yogas - should we take the new > > > > charakaraka or the original charakaraka when considering Yogas > > such as > > > > AK-AmK conjunction leading to rajayoga, etc.? > > > > > > > > The reason this question arises is because we always discern Devatas > > > > from the original charakaraka even after replacement. > > > > > > > > *With the blessings of Sri Vishnu* , > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > Dear Reema, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > After the natural age of planet - from the new one of course. I > > have AK > > > > > (Ju in 5) and AmK (Me in 4) Ck replacement whick makes person > > > > > karma-yogi/focused on career/mission (basedon Ak+Amk and 4H/5H > > > > yoga). So > > > > > after 31/33 Budha will become AK and Jupiter (karaka in CK > > scheme) will > > > > > become new-AmK. So now 4/7/3 (MKS) from new-AK (Budha) will become > > > > house > > > > > of rejection (instead of 3/6) which for my case its still DK, > > 11L, 6L, > > > > > Ke/Ma, A3 (all placed in 4 from Budha-new-Ak) . > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reema Patel Sriganesh pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > * || Hare Rama Krushna || * > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Rafal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of charakaraka replacement, should we see MKS from the new > > > > > > charakaraka, or should we continue to consider the old > > charakaraka > > > > for > > > > > > this purpose? In fact, I'd like to broaden my question and ask > > this - > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of charakaraka replacement, should we consider the > > yogas, the > > > > > > MKS placement, pachakadi sambandha, etc. from the new > > charakaraka or > > > > > > the old? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > * May Sri Vishnu bless us all *, > > > > > > Reema. > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > Dear SS, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea is that Marana karaka sthana shows the weak point, now > > > > to see > > > > > > > what is afflicted you should analyze more to find more > > dosha. If the > > > > > > > bhava is not afflicted then there is not big > > > > > > > loss/obstruction/ affliction. Surely all three karakas suffer, > > > > > > therefore > > > > > > > Surya in 12H in Muhurta is bad for resources and spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg. curse then surely the house of most malefic planet suffer > > > > the most > > > > > > > in its Moola dasa period. If curse is in dusthana then it > > can be for > > > > > > > whole life. We also see houses in naisargika chakra, for > > example > > > > Guru > > > > > > > curse shows problem with studies and father because its lord > > Dhanus > > > > > > > which is natural ninth sign. For Charakarakas MKS and Pachakadi > > > > > > > Sambandha are especially important, therefore we judge MKS from > > > > AK to > > > > > > > see what is the rejected element by the soul. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saving factors are indeed important, therefore we judge few > > more > > > > things > > > > > > > to conclude about the extent of curse or mks placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Can the same apply to a planet that is cursed - e.g. if > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > cursed, then all 3 karakattvas can suffer (? and house lorded > > > > too) or > > > > > > > > the house of placement of the curse that suffers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. If saving factors are there in the chart for a particular > > > > > > > > karakatva then the problem may be reduced for that one > > atleast > > > > - so > > > > > > > > all 3 may not suffer altogether? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanx > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > > > > > > Dear SS , Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. All three. The most - house lorded by planet and > > aspected by > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > - suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Yes, especially from bhava karaka in Varga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > > > > > > www: http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> / email: > > rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Soul Sadhak pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re. planets in marana karaka sthana: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. If we say the karakattva of the planet in mks > > suffers, then > > > > > > > > which of > > > > > > > > > > karakattvas are being referred to: naisargika, chara, > > sthira? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Charakarakas are referred to in the book Narayana Dasa, > > > > but how > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > the other 2?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Can MKS of a karaka wrt relevant bhava be considered: > > > > > > > > > > e.g. Ju 3rd from 5th house (children, mantra etc), > > > > > > > > > > Mo 8th from 4th house (mother) > > > > > > > > > > Ma 7th from 4th house (property) > > > > > > > > > > and likewise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanx > > > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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