Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Dear All, Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to be used in : " Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah " " Trikaagni " or " Trikaalagni " Many Thanks SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya Dear SS, Namaste Correct is " Trikaagni " Names of 11 rudras. Namakam chapter 16 of Yajur vedam. Kaalagni is also one of the 11 rudras. Hamuman took this form once. Hope this helps. Rgds Anand On 8/23/08, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: Dear All,Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to be used in : " Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah " " Trikaagni " or " Trikaalagni " Many ThanksSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Dear All, Thanx for the response, Anand. 1. Do you mean that these (Vishveshwara, etc.) are the names of 11 Rudras mentioned in the (1st anuvaka of) The Namakam? 2. The Shiva Purana lists the 11 Rudras as: Kapali, Pingala, Bhima, Virupaksha, Vilohita, Shasta, Ajapada, Ahirbudhanya, Shambhu, Chanda, Bhava.Ofcourse thee are other texts that give slightly differing lists of the 11 Rudras, but havent seen one mentioning Trikaagni as one of the Rudras anywhere else. 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala? 4. Any reference inidcating that Hanuman took form of Kalagni? Many ThanxSS -- In sohamsa , "Anand Ravi" <anandravi8 wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya> > Dear SS, Namaste> > Correct is "Trikaagni"> Names of 11 rudras. Namakam chapter 16 of Yajur vedam.> Kaalagni is also one of the 11 rudras. Hamuman took this form once.> Hope this helps.> > Rgds> Anand> > > On 8/23/08, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to be> > used in :> >> > "Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya> > Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya> > Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya> > Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah"> >> > "Trikaagni" or "Trikaalagni"> >> > Many Thanks> > SS.> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Namaste, The former - trikaagni. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > Dear All, > > Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to be > used in : > > " Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya > Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya > Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya > Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah " > > " Trikaagni " or " Trikaalagni " > > Many Thanks > SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Namaste, > 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala? Trika = three types of Agni = fire Kaala = regulator, time-keeper, one who ends The previous word in the verse is " tripuraantakaaya " . Tripuraantaka means one who ends the three puras. Pura means a town or a castle. The three castles/towns referred to are basically the three bodies (or sheaths) that house each person. The sthoola sareera (gross body), sookshma sareera (subtle body) and kaarana sareera (causal body) are the three bodies/castles/towns hosting each being. The gross body is what we see - made of gross matter and consisting of flesh, blood, nerves etc. The subtle body cannot be seen with eyes and it contains thousands of nadis (subtle channels of energy flow) and several chakras (various planes of existence in which one keeps going like in a wheel). The causal body is made of causal matter and is a repository of all the karmas (actions) the being is carrying, which are yet to be canceled by equal and opposite reactions. This body is the root cause of one's existence as a being separate from Supreme Soul. Tripuraantaka means one who brings the end of these three bodies. In a lower level form, Rudra brings the end of the physical body, but in the highest form, he actually brings the end of Kaarana sareera too, i.e. grants moksha! However, it must be emphasized that most people sugffer from " obesity " when it comes to causal body. Now, there is a basic fire that burns in each of these bodies, illuminating them and sustaining them. In the gross body, we have the jatharaagni and several other agnis (physical tranformative forces) as described in ayurveda. Similarly, there is a fire burning in the other bodies too. Without that fire, these bodies cannot live. Rudra is the regulator and time-keeper of those three fires. When the time's up, he extinguishes each of those three types of fire. Until then, he keeps the fires going and regulates them. That is what trikaagnikaala means. Best regards, Narasimha Do Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Thanx for the response, Anand. > > 1. Do you mean that these (Vishveshwara, etc.) are the names of 11 > Rudras mentioned in the (1st anuvaka of) The Namakam? > > 2. The Shiva Purana lists the 11 Rudras as: > Kapali, Pingala, Bhima, Virupaksha, Vilohita, Shasta, Ajapada, > Ahirbudhanya, Shambhu, Chanda, Bhava. > Ofcourse thee are other texts that give slightly differing lists of the > 11 Rudras, but havent seen one mentioning Trikaagni as one of the Rudras > anywhere else. > > 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala? > > 4. Any reference inidcating that Hanuman took form of Kalagni? > > > Many Thanx > SS > > > -- In sohamsa , " Anand Ravi " <anandravi8@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > Dear SS, Namaste > > > > Correct is " Trikaagni " > > Names of 11 rudras. Namakam chapter 16 of Yajur vedam. > > Kaalagni is also one of the 11 rudras. Hamuman took this form once. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Rgds > > Anand > > > > > > On 8/23/08, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to > be > > > used in : > > > > > > " Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya > > > Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya > > > Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya > > > Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah " > > > > > > " Trikaagni " or " Trikaalagni " > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Dear Narasimha, Thanx for clarifying the esoteric meanings of these words. Else, grosser translations prevail at places - like - the time of agnihotra when the " 3 sacrificial fires " are lit. In that sense it was appearing that, it is the one of various facets of " Time " that is being described as another manifest aspect of Rudra - as is He described being in various manifest Forms on Earth (like trees, pathways, rivers etc) and classes of people (charioteers, warriors etc). Of course, the rituals (like yajnas etc.) given in the scriptures have actually be understood in terms of the processes of microcosm, not as just sequence of some random activites....and that Soma is not just the Drink of the Gods or " the Intoxicating drink made from the fermented sap of the Asclepias acida plant " as described in some dictionary - though at some level it may be true - but only as much is the world of illusion it exists in. And, i just love the allegories you give - e.g. obesity of the causal body in this one!! Best Regards, SS sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > > 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala? > > Trika = three types of > Agni = fire > Kaala = regulator, time-keeper, one who ends > > The previous word in the verse is " tripuraantakaaya " . Tripuraantaka means one who ends the three puras. Pura means a town or a castle. The three castles/towns referred to are basically the three bodies (or sheaths) that house each person. The sthoola sareera (gross body), sookshma sareera (subtle body) and kaarana sareera (causal body) are the three bodies/castles/towns hosting each being. > > The gross body is what we see - made of gross matter and consisting of flesh, blood, nerves etc. The subtle body cannot be seen with eyes and it contains thousands of nadis (subtle channels of energy flow) and several chakras (various planes of existence in which one keeps going like in a wheel). The causal body is made of causal matter and is a repository of all the karmas (actions) the being is carrying, which are yet to be canceled by equal and opposite reactions. This body is the root cause of one's existence as a being separate from Supreme Soul. > > Tripuraantaka means one who brings the end of these three bodies. In a lower level form, Rudra brings the end of the physical body, but in the highest form, he actually brings the end of Kaarana sareera too, i.e. grants moksha! However, it must be emphasized that most people sugffer from " obesity " when it comes to causal body. > > Now, there is a basic fire that burns in each of these bodies, illuminating them and sustaining them. In the gross body, we have the jatharaagni and several other agnis (physical tranformative forces) as described in ayurveda. Similarly, there is a fire burning in the other bodies too. Without that fire, these bodies cannot live. Rudra is the regulator and time-keeper of those three fires. When the time's up, he extinguishes each of those three types of fire. Until then, he keeps the fires going and regulates them. That is what trikaagnikaala means. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Thanx for the response, Anand. > > > > 1. Do you mean that these (Vishveshwara, etc.) are the names of 11 > > Rudras mentioned in the (1st anuvaka of) The Namakam? > > > > 2. The Shiva Purana lists the 11 Rudras as: > > Kapali, Pingala, Bhima, Virupaksha, Vilohita, Shasta, Ajapada, > > Ahirbudhanya, Shambhu, Chanda, Bhava. > > Ofcourse thee are other texts that give slightly differing lists of the > > 11 Rudras, but havent seen one mentioning Trikaagni as one of the Rudras > > anywhere else. > > > > 3. What is the exact meaning of Trikaagni-kaala? > > > > 4. Any reference inidcating that Hanuman took form of Kalagni? > > > > > > Many Thanx > > SS > > > > > > -- In sohamsa , " Anand Ravi " <anandravi8@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > > > Dear SS, Namaste > > > > > > Correct is " Trikaagni " > > > Names of 11 rudras. Namakam chapter 16 of Yajur vedam. > > > Kaalagni is also one of the 11 rudras. Hamuman took this form once. > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Rgds > > > Anand > > > > > > > > > On 8/23/08, Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to > > be > > > > used in : > > > > > > > > " Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya Mahaadevaaya > > > > Tryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya > > > > Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya Sadashivaaya > > > > Shriman Mahaadevaaya Namah " > > > > > > > > " Trikaagni " or " Trikaalagni " > > > > > > > > Many Thanks > > > > SS. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear SS,NamasteAs taught in Jaimini Year II, it also represents the unmanifested portion and the fourth portion is the manifestation on earth, further apportioned into four parts/padas with the same proportions - three empty and one filled to represent Bhu - Bhuvar- Svah etc. in relation to the fibonacci principle (perfect symmetry).love,SweeOn 28 Aug 2008, at 19:16, Soul Sadhak wrote:Much appreciated.yes, it does appear to be an addition rather than a part of the anuvakam.the term 'trikaalagni' may imply relation to the 3 kaalas - past, present and future!Best Regards,SSsohamsa , "Ajit Krishnan" <ajit.krishnan wrote: namaste,You have already gotten responses from those more learned that me.However, since my view is slightly different, I hope they won't mindif I share it.Fundamentally, this verse is a later addition. It is not commentedupon by the standard veda commentators sayana and bhatta-bhaskara. It finds no place in the rudra homa, and has some strangeness (why isn't sandhi applied to the first two words?). It seems like the parayana of this "extra verse" occurs largely in South India. North Indian pandits I have met say that they do not traditionally recite this verse.Also, there are many patha-bhedas of this verse, and "trikAgni" vs."trikAlAgni" is only one of them. There is a commentary by skanda- deva on the rudra prashna, which treats this verse. However, the commentary just makes no mention of either "trikAlAgni" of "trikAgni". Thevariation "trikAlAgni" has been in use used traditionally by various paramparas in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra for a long time.Since it is quite clear that this verse is not a part of the rudraprashna, I personally omit it during the parayana of the rudraprashna, especially, when I chant it after the nyasa. However, between the variations "trikAgni-kAlAya" and "trikAlAgni-kAlAya", I am notconvinced that one is "definitely correct" and the other is"definitely wrong". Though "trikAgni" seems to make more sense atfirst glance, "trikAlAgni" may simply have a more eosoteric meaning,or some other round-about definition.Part of Narasimha's argument had do do with ordering (trikAgni coming after tripurAntaka). However, I have come across some old paramparasin which the ordering of the words is different.bhavadIyaH, ajitOn Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: Dear All,Please can anyone who knows advise which one is the correct word to be used in :"Om Namaste astu Bhagwan Vishvshwaraaya MahaadevaayaTryambakaaya Tripuraantakaaya __________-kaalaaya Kaalagni Rudraaya Neelakanthaaya Mrityunjayaaya Sarveshvaraaya SadashivaayaShriman Mahaadevaaya Namah""Trikaagni" or "Trikaalagni"Many ThanksSS. --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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