Importance of astrology (Importance of Brahmacharya)

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om krishna guru

Dear Narasimha, Namaste

I understood your points on Jyotish as you speak clear and open.

The question is-if we don`t put our highest faith in what we are

doing, should we do it.

What we are talking here are two interconnected but still different

things - Bhakti and Gyana. You suggest Bhakti and I cannot but to

agree. It is the supreme. But the Gyani, the same as Bhakta, must not

doubt.

I believe you will agree with me that the one who sees Jyotish as

principles and techniques only would do good to everyone to find other

amusement. We all know that predictive ability doesn`t come from the

slokas learned by heart. Trikaala gyani do sound hardly attainable

today, but so does the pure bhakti. So why would we discourage anyone

on his chosen way just because we doubt it.

 

The other point related to rules would be – the bhakti you are talking

about is the bhakti of a pundit, learned in shastras, guided by

tradition and Guru who naturally attained the state where sadhanas,

initiations and rules are not needed as many and many ARE behind you.

I cannot but to remember Gita here – the wise should not confusee…

Even though I fully agree with you that love for God should not wait

for anything, relying on own bhakti and intuition without Guru upadesa

can be as misleading as wrong prediction as it can be a mark of

spiritual vanity. It all depends on the aim. For the one who wants to

get or achieve something the rules are must. For the one who is

grateful for everything, no rules are needed.

Regards,

Tijana Damjanovic

sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Tijana,

>

> > But the rules do exist and they make the differences valid, otherwise

> > the one loses himself easily.

>

> I understand where you are coming from, but one will NOT lose

oneself by throwing the rules to the wind regarding spiritual sadhana.

In fact, one who keeps checking various dasas, somanath drekkana,

vimsamsa etc, pondering on atmakaraka, ishta devata etc and waiting

for the right dasa, right deity and right mantra with the right number

of letters etc is more likely to lose oneself easily!

>

> If one does prayoga of a mantra for killing an enemy or attracting

someone or something like that, things are different. Then rules do

matter. But I want to emphasize that the rules given in books are full

of corruptions and no wonder people trying such feats these days

suffer so much.

>

> But sadhana meant just for spiritual progress comes with no risks.

If something is wrong, the only implication is that progress is slow.

Still slow progress is better than no progress or retrogression.

>

> My point is that Jyotish knowledge available to us today is not

perfect and contains many corruptions. Anybody who thinks otherwise

has not studied deeply enough yet. :-)

>

> We can learn Jyotish, respect it and use it when possible, but we

cannot rely on it to decide when to do spiritual sadhana and when to

wait. If one *wants* to do a sadhana, there is no reason to wait.

Right now is the best time. At best, wait for a good muhurta in a few

weeks or months. But, using somanatha drekkana or vimsamsa and waiting

for right dasa is unneeded. God knows if the dasa system you are using

is the correct one or not. There are so many dasas after all.

>

> If astrology says your digestion will be weak when Jupiter transits

a particular sign, will you stop eating during that one year and wait

for Jupiter to move out of the sign? Spiritual sadhana is as much of a

*need* as food, water and air. One who realizes *that* should just go

full-steam ahead instead of bookishly checking so many technicalities

of astrology based on a corrupt understanding.

>

> Not all differences are valid by the way. Sometimes differences are

a result of two people looking at something from two angles. Both

views can be appreciated and understood. Sometimes differences are a

result of corruption, confusion and outright mistakes. In such cases,

we can ignore one view.

>

> > Difference is the very essence of Prakriti and the one who doesn`t

> > appreciate it, doesn`t know nor respect Mother and will hardly reach

> > the freedom from Her maya.

>

> :-) :-) Yaa devi sarva *buddhi* rupena samsthitaa namastasyai

namastasyai namastasyai namo namah. Also, yaa devi sarva *bhraanti*

rupena samsthitaa namastasyai namastasyai namastasyai namo namah. The

mother shines in all as the wisdom and discrimination and the same

mother shines in all as the confusion and delusion. Both are Her

manifestations. Begging Her to remove the confusion and delusion and

grant clarity of vision and wisdom does not tantamount to

disrespecting to Her.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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>

> sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic "

<tijanadamjanovic@> wrote:

> >

> > om krishna guru

> > Dear NArasimha, namaste

> >

> > As for the two relevant point…

> > Why would we make everything relative if not for the improvement of

> > the intellect.

> > But the rules do exist and they make the differences valid, otherwise

> > the one loses himself easily. It is the difference which gives man a

> > chance to find a proper way to Self. No one should ever think that

> > Rishis couldn`t agree on the truth. They had a very good reason to

> > make and support difference and to provide the rules to preserve it.

> > Difference is the very essence of Prakriti and the one who doesn`t

> > appreciate it, doesn`t know nor respect Mother and will hardly reach

> > the freedom from Her maya.

> > Thus my free will stays employed in respecting every tradition that

> > cares about the truth while it follows the one that offers me the

> > clearest vision.

> > Regards,

> > Tijana Damjanovic

> >

> > sohamsa , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Tijana,

> > >

> > > Thank you for a nice exposition. What you wrote is well-taken.

> > >

> > > > That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been

> > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without

chastity.

> > >

> > > That is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya and control of one's sexual

> > thoughts is quite needed to make spiritual progress.

> > >

> > > If anybody maintains brahmacharya for one year while performing a 45

> > minute homam everyday or meditating with Gayatri mantra (or some other

> > mantra) for 3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will cross some

> > important hurdles and make some good progress.

> > >

> > > > It is clear why it is even more important for women to be

chaste and

> > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her

body-gross and

> > > > causal.

> > >

> > > Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important* for men and women

> > to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty one

> > experiences in controlling the mind depends on various factors such as

> > gender and, more importantly, mental conditioning acquired from

> > previous lives.

> > >

> > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period

of poojas

> > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually

required in

> > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.

> > >

> > > Well, two relevant points:

> > >

> > > (1) The astrology we know and understand is imperfect without a

> > doubt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by Maharshi Parasara is so

> > misunderstood in this age. Then what to speak of knowledge not found

> > in the available teachings of Parasara and available in the " secrets "

> > of various paramparas? It is quite prone to corruptions and

> > misunderstanding. Can we *rely* on it?

> > >

> > > (2) Astrology, even when understood perfectly, only predicts the

> > predisposition at a given time due to the dynamics of *previous*

> > actions (karmas). The dynamics of previous actions decides under what

> > kind of circumstances one has to operate now. Those circumstances can

> > place *limitations* on what actions can be performed *now*. Depending

> > on the seriousness of previous actions deciding the current

> > circumstances, the limitations can be either mere challenges or

> > serious handicaps. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions

> > possible currently. Horoscope only decides the situations faced now.

> > The actions performed *now* are based on *free will* exerted now,

> > which is NOT captured by the horoscope.

> > >

> > > If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual progress

> > is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will to the

> > extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it! Forget

> > somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspiration

> > comes from within, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your guru

> > (if you have no guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do

> > your best to keep the vow.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual

> > practices like homam and japam. It will atleast keep one floating

> > (i.e. not sinking). Basically, one will keep accumulating shakti

> > (purity) and keep consuming it. So purification is slow. But atleast

> > there is no further impurification. With brahmacharya, one can

> > actually start accumulating shakti and purify oneself much faster.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Regarding women doing sadhanas:

> > >

> > > A great Vedic scholar known as Upasani maharaj lived at the time of

> > Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years back. He was learned in several Vedas

> > and Upanishads and did tremendous sadhana. Once he realized Self, he

> > threw away his orthodoxy and went against the customs of the time

> > boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouchables colony), swept

> > the floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahmanawada (Brahmins

> > colony) who revered him highly to come *there* if they wanted to see

> > him! He opened a Vedic school for women and taught them chanting Vedic

> > mantras and performing traditional yajnas. He gave women of all births

> > sacred thread and initiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas.

> > >

> > > When Shridi Sai Baba saw him oneday, he said " Upasani is God

> > Himself. Today we will do pooja to Upasani! " and made his disciples do

> > a pooja to Upasani maharaj.

> > >

> > > A temple run by women stands in the place of Upasani maharaj, a few

> > miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good idea to

> > go to that temple. Though it has no rush, it has very nice energy. It

> > is a great place to meditate.

> > >

> > > Also, Krishna temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar

> > Maharaj went into underground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be

> > there even now) has a tremendous level of spiritual energy. It is also

> > a great place for productive meditation.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic "

> > <tijanadamjanovic@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > om krishna guru

> > > > Dear Ana and other members of the thread,

> > > >

> > > > Difference exists and it makes the world go round, which is

perfectly

> > > > fine. After it is understood properly, no pots and pans will

be needed

> > > > to define anyones role or place under the sun...that shines

the same

> > > > to one and all.

> > > > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states that sexual

> > > > urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not

surprising as

> > > > sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid fluctuation

in the

> > > > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first place). This

> > > > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the

predominance of

> > > > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and Venus.

These two

> > > > planets are also responsible for the producing of the ojas (the

> > > > finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain

function

> > > > properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and

procreative

> > > > power). In general, this means that women can produce more ojas

> > than man.

> > > > How is this related to poojas and spirituality?

> > > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed into

ojas in

> > > > the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim has

lifting

> > > > of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and its

storing in

> > > > the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, smarter

and more

> > > > spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be done ONLY by

> > > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been

> > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without

chastity. It

> > > > is clear why it is even more important for women to be chaste and

> > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her

body-gross and

> > > > causal.

> > > > Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental disorder as

> > > > ojas and prana directly influence the work of the brain

centres. Thus

> > > > it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja in

> > > > question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly

cycle is

> > > > based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the

sexual urge.

> > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period

of poojas

> > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually

required in

> > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation.

> > > > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous and

different, but

> > > > all of them must find their path through the Sushumna. The one who

> > > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women simply

lacks ojas

> > > > in his/her brain.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Tijana Damjanovic

> > > >

> > > > P.S. Ana, odakle si?

>