Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Virendra, and others Thanks for the update. I wish more people would give us follow up reports. Look at it on the good side. She is probably safer in the mental asylum, than wandering off. She is more likely to die in some horrible fashion or get raped, murdered, hit by a car, starve to death,while wandering on the streets,etc. In addition, the majority of people who "go crazy" (not saying whether it is biochemical/physical imbalance or spirit/ghost imbalance) are helped by some steady medication. I have charts of people who went completely nuts but with a few months of medication,and hospitalization, came down to reality. Im sure the family felt it was in the best interest of the women, at least they can rest feeling someone is watching and caring for her. I dont know the condition of mental hospital in India but im sure it is better than letting her wander . If I get a chance I will dig through my files and find some charts of people who went off the deep end for various reasons. Also I want to point out. that if you look carefully at many normally functioning peoples charts you will find curses, sometimes many !, and also some hint of "spirits" etc etc It would be interesting to know how many charts DONT have some type of curse! During some astronomical points in time whole groups of people are being born with "curses". In the charts of people who are ill for a brief period the dasas show it. While people who have life long illness, have one bad dasa(that involve the afflciting planets) after another. Varga examination really help us in this regard to show the severe cases. Best wishes. LakshmiVirendra Kumar <jumanji1957 wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ----------Virendra Kumar <jumanji1957 >Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:24 AMRe: Re: Possessed by evil spirits? Namaste Narasimha Rao JiPranaams. There have been sad developments at the native's end. The concerned lady was shifted to a mental asylum about 10 days back - I received this information from a third party. My friend and the lady's family is now reluctant to part with information related to her.I find myself helpless in these circumstances! I would like to expresses my gratitude and thanks for sparing time and efforts to look into her horoscope and suggest remedies.I would also like to thank other list members who have given their valuable inputs. Warm regardsVirendra On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Virendra,I see no danger to life at this time. However, as I said, I do suspect a spirit is involved and I do believe the situation is quite serious.Luckily, Ketu-Rahu antardasa finished in June 2008. Now, Ketu-Jupiter is running. There is some chance of a good help and remedy to the problem. That gives me SOME hope.Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think a priest can help. I have seen many priests in my life, but I have met only a handful who can actually make a true difference. These days, people are better off doing the best job they themselves can do, instead of relying on a priest or a pandit.Most priests have neither the jaagrut shakti nor the devotion needed. Mantras work either because an individual with jaagrut shakti quickly taps the shakti of the mantra or because the devotion slowly taps the shakti of the mantra. The first approach is rare these days. For the second approach, there is no difference between a priest and a layman! In fact, most priests are unlikely to have the same focus of mind on the goal and the same level of compassion for the suffering person as the relatives and close people. If a person without jaagrut shakti has to awaken a mantra for a specific person's benefit, there has to be a deep compassion for the suffering of the person. I honestly feel that laymen can achieve that better than priests, if they manage to sit down for hours. Things were different in the old days, when priests did tremendous penance and were a walking bundle of energy. In the changed situation of this age, my advice is always for people to do remedies themselves.That is my sincere advice. If the family or close relatives/friends cannot do anything, well, I guess then things are tough.I understand that things are difficult for the family and sitting for meditation for 4 hours everyday is tough. I know another case of spirit possession. The lady was possessed for almost 10 years!! Her family suffered so much during that time. At the end, her family was advised to recite Chandipath and do a homam everyday. They actually did it, despite the tremendous hardships. The lady is fine now.Kumaara Ganapathi mantra is for a form of Ganapathi formed with the energy of Kumara/Kartikeya/Subrahmanya (warrior god, army commander of gods). It is effective in removing the trouble from spirits. I am giving the mantra in iTrans transliteration format below. If you cut and paste in iTranslator software from Omkaranand Ashram, you can see it in Devanagari script.--------- Begin ---------OM gaM kumaara gaNapataye, OM namaH shUrapadma naasha kaaraNaaya sarvashakti dharaaya sarpa yaGYopavItanaaya mahaa pracaNDa krodhanaaya rakta kukShi dharaaya asura koTi saMhaara kaaraNaaya akhaNDa maNDalaaya devataarcita paada padmaaya shaakinii raakinii laakinii haakinii Daakinii kuuShmaaNDa bhuuta vetaaLa paishaaca brahma raakShasa duShTa grahaan naashaya naashaya, bhaarata likhita lekhinii karaaya apasmaara grahaan nivaaraya nivaaraya mardaya mardaya, guhaagrajaaya gajaasura saMharaNaaya garjita bhuuta karaaya sakala bhuuta preta pishaaca brahma raakShasaan shuulena aakR^intaya aakR^intaya chhedaya chhedaya maaraya maaraya, mahaagaNapataye umaakumaaraaya huM phaT bandha bandha DhaM glaaM glauM gaM gaNapataye swaahaa--------- End ---------Another version isOM hriiM glauM gaM gaNapataye gaM glauM hriiMRead whichever is convenient, but for 4 hours everyday. If that is tough, do it atleast for 2 hours. > I consider attributing the cause of problem to badhaka and Marankaraka> concepts as stretching the logic too far. Ketu as a malefic is not bad in> the 11th and can't cause such grave threats in the 9th in Navamsa aspected> only by Jupitor.Dear Praveen, Ketu in 11th is good, but not if 11th is badhaka sthana and there are other weaknesses. Whatever house he occupies in navamsa, Ketu is the badhaka lord in navamsa too! He is associated with badhaka sthana in rasi, navamsa and trimsamsa!What is stretching logic depends on one's understanding of what the basics are. In the charts I have seen with spirit problems, both nodes and badhaka sthana are always involved. To MY mind, attributing this result somehow to Jupiter is stretching logic, while Ketu in badhaka sthana with Gulika and in mrityu bhaga is the perfect, clear and crisp logic. What is "compact" to me looks "stretched" to you and what is compact to you looks stretched to me. Obviously, our understanding of the FUNDAMENTALS is different. :-) Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , "Virendra Kumar" <jumanji1957 wrote:>> Namaste Narasimha Ji> Pranaams. I am completely overwhelmed by your analysis. Yes, she does have a> curse, but her current condition is THAT of a possessed individual!>> I did consider Moon's (AK) mrityu bhaga as well as MKS. In fact I was> reading Willa's 2006 west coast lecture on Saturn - the root of disease when> this case landed up. 4th house from Moon is occupied by Ketu - by Willa's> lecture 4th house from moon is body's healing abilities. Ketu may give> problems from unknown sources - like spirits and ghosts! Yes, I did consider> Ketu's proximity with Gulika and Ketu's mrityu bjaga center - however I DID> NOT consider changing the Vimsottari Dasa to the Kshema star - which gives> ruling dasa period of Ketu itself! I also considered Rahu's transit position> in her natal 4th house where AL resides.>> The first query from her brother-in-law was - "will she survive?" Her own> family have almost given up hopes and they are now planning to leave her at> an asylum - in the company of strangers! I have on my own persuaded them to> wait for a week before taking any steps and this is where I posted this case> across lists!>> Please accept my deepest gratitude for sparing your valuable time in> analyzing her chart and suggesting a remedy! Many thanks for the remedy! My> query ->> * Can a priest chant Kumaara Ganapathi mantra? - am asking this because the> family cannot be expected to do it in present circumstances!> * Is the presence of the lady required during this chanting?> * Where can I download Kumaara Ganapathi Mantra? If your kind self or anyone> from this list knows an authentic Pundit in Mumbai who can do the needful, I> can persuade the family to approach him!> > Please accept my humble pranaams.>> Virendra>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrwrote: >> > Namaste,> >> > I see that there is a very very serious problem here.> >> > Jupiter having the aspect of Saturn, Mars and Rahu shows a Brahmana shaapa> > (a learned man's curse) from previous life. But that may not be the main> > problem and the direct cause of current affliction.> >> > IMHO, the main problem is Ketu being in badhaka sthana within a couple of> > degrees from Gulika. He is the 2nd lord and a maraka too. More importantly,> > he is in mrityu bhaga, i.e. within the dangerous degree of Leo for him. Each> > planet has a dangerous trimsamsa (one degree) in each sign. JHora shows> > them.> >> > Though people may be tempted to take Vimsottari dasa from Moon as usual and> > say that Jupiter dasa is running now, I will differ. Despite being exalted,> > Moon is in the 8th house in marana karaka sthana. He is also in his mrityu> > bhaga (dangerous degree for him in that sign). Such a weak Moon is in my> > judgment unqualified to start the dasas. We can initiate Vimsottari dasa> > from kshema tara Pushyami, which has 5 planets in kendra from it.> >> > Based on kshema Vimsottari dasa (JHora gives it), she is running Ketu> > mahadasa from 2004 to 2011.> >> > Being a maraka, being in badhaka sthana, being in an Adhisatru sthana,> > being in mrityu bhaga and being close to Gulika, Ketu is quite malefic. Even> > in D-30, Ketu is again in badhaka sthana with the badhaka lord Mercury.> > Affliction of Mercury by nodes in D-30 shows affliction to buddhi. Most> > psychological disorder charts show malefic affliction to Moon or Mercury in> > D-30.> >> > Planets in badhaka sthana, especially Ketu, give diseases that are very> > difficult to diagnose and often involve supernatural causes. It could very> > well be a spirit problem. I think doctors are not of much use. The situation> > is quite bad an very very difficult to fix with easy remedies. Desperate> > situations call for desperate measures.> >> > The best would be to chant Kumaara Ganapathi mantra. If somebody can chant> > Kumaara Ganapathi mantra for 4 hours everyday for 40 days, it may be able to> > solve her problem. The rule is to sit down in one place with a straight back> > and still body and say mantra mentally. If legs ache, it is ok to get up> > once every 30-60 min, move for a minute or so and sit down again.> >> > Serious problems require serious remedies and there are no magical> > push-button kind of solutions.> >> > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > >> > sohamsa , "Dev Kumar" <jumanji1957@> wrote:> > > > > > I have just come across a case, the lady in question is married. She is> > > exhibiting symptoms of a person possessed by evil spirits! Am mentioning> > > birth details for Gurujan's and learned astrologers to suggest remedy for> > > the concerned lady. She is the sister-in-law of one of my close friends.> > >> > > Birth Details:> > >> > > January 19, 1970> > >> > > Time: 1:20:00> > >> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > >> > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 19 N 07' 00"> > >> > > Andheri, India> > >> > > The lady is married and her symptoms were triggered with the birth of her> > > second daughter. Since then she uses abusive language to the point of> > > threatening neighbors, relatives - all and sundry. She is in the habit of> > > leaving her house and wandering at all sorts of places, including railway> > > platforms, beaches - each time the police have traced her and brought her> > to> > > her husband's house. Her husband has disowned her and now she is staying> > > with her brother. Since her trouble began her relations have tried all> > sorts> > > of treatments, including soliciting help from witch doctors and> > soothsayers.> > > She is currently on Allopathic treatment and her brothers are now> > > considering shifting her to a mental asylum - all in the interest of> > > bringing peace in their lives!> > >> > > Physically the lady complains of tumor in her abdomen and chest! She is> > in> > > the habit of mumbling and then mouthing foul language - if asked, she> > says a> > > Devi is encouraging her to do so!> > >> > > I humbly approach all learned astrologers and Gurujan's to study the case> > > and suggest remedy if possible - which can bring relief to the entire> > > family!> > >> > > Please accept my humble pranaams!> > >> > > Virendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Dear Lakshmi Kary JiThanks for soothing words. Yes, in a way the lady is now under constant watch and observation - this is some solace. On the other hand, I could nothing for her - which is sad! I would like to share one more case where insanity and possession by spirits was exhibited. Below are the birth details -The native is a lady once again April 2, 1975Time: 19:12:30 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 34' 00 " , 34 N 10' 00 " Patan, IndiaThe native has a son and once symptoms manifested themselves, the lady however did not wander around. The only company she tolerated was that of her son. I have personally visited this lady and she was bad mouthing obscene language!! This lady was known to blabber out all sorts of languages - some very obscure, sometimes she would speak like a person predicting the future! This lady has been exorcised by a powerful tantrik and is somewhat stable since a year or so. Hope this case proves interesting astrologically. Many thanks for your inputs and kind words. My humble pranaamsVirendraOn Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Virendra, and others Thanks for the update. I wish more people would give us follow up reports. Look at it on the good side. She is probably safer in the mental asylum, than wandering off. She is more likely to die in some horrible fashion or get raped, murdered, hit by a car, starve to death,while wandering on the streets,etc. In addition, the majority of people who " go crazy " (not saying whether it is biochemical/physical imbalance or spirit/ghost imbalance) are helped by some steady medication. I have charts of people who went completely nuts but with a few months of medication,and hospitalization, came down to reality. Im sure the family felt it was in the best interest of the women, at least they can rest feeling someone is watching and caring for her. I dont know the condition of mental hospital in India but im sure it is better than letting her wander . If I get a chance I will dig through my files and find some charts of people who went off the deep end for various reasons. Also I want to point out. that if you look carefully at many normally functioning peoples charts you will find curses, sometimes many !, and also some hint of " spirits " etc etc It would be interesting to know how many charts DONT have some type of curse! During some astronomical points in time whole groups of people are being born with " curses " . In the charts of people who are ill for a brief period the dasas show it. While people who have life long illness, have one bad dasa(that involve the afflciting planets) after another. Varga examination really help us in this regard to show the severe cases. Best wishes. LakshmiVirendra Kumar <jumanji1957 wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ----------Virendra Kumar <jumanji1957Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:24 AM Re: Re: Possessed by evil spirits? Namaste Narasimha Rao JiPranaams. There have been sad developments at the native's end. The concerned lady was shifted to a mental asylum about 10 days back - I received this information from a third party. My friend and the lady's family is now reluctant to part with information related to her.I find myself helpless in these circumstances! I would like to expresses my gratitude and thanks for sparing time and efforts to look into her horoscope and suggest remedies. I would also like to thank other list members who have given their valuable inputs. Warm regardsVirendra On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Namaste Virendra,I see no danger to life at this time. However, as I said, I do suspect a spirit is involved and I do believe the situation is quite serious.Luckily, Ketu-Rahu antardasa finished in June 2008. Now, Ketu-Jupiter is running. There is some chance of a good help and remedy to the problem. That gives me SOME hope.Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think a priest can help. I have seen many priests in my life, but I have met only a handful who can actually make a true difference. These days, people are better off doing the best job they themselves can do, instead of relying on a priest or a pandit. Most priests have neither the jaagrut shakti nor the devotion needed. Mantras work either because an individual with jaagrut shakti quickly taps the shakti of the mantra or because the devotion slowly taps the shakti of the mantra. The first approach is rare these days. For the second approach, there is no difference between a priest and a layman! In fact, most priests are unlikely to have the same focus of mind on the goal and the same level of compassion for the suffering person as the relatives and close people. If a person without jaagrut shakti has to awaken a mantra for a specific person's benefit, there has to be a deep compassion for the suffering of the person. I honestly feel that laymen can achieve that better than priests, if they manage to sit down for hours. Things were different in the old days, when priests did tremendous penance and were a walking bundle of energy. In the changed situation of this age, my advice is always for people to do remedies themselves. That is my sincere advice. If the family or close relatives/friends cannot do anything, well, I guess then things are tough.I understand that things are difficult for the family and sitting for meditation for 4 hours everyday is tough. I know another case of spirit possession. The lady was possessed for almost 10 years!! Her family suffered so much during that time. At the end, her family was advised to recite Chandipath and do a homam everyday. They actually did it, despite the tremendous hardships. The lady is fine now.Kumaara Ganapathi mantra is for a form of Ganapathi formed with the energy of Kumara/Kartikeya/Subrahmanya (warrior god, army commander of gods). It is effective in removing the trouble from spirits. I am giving the mantra in iTrans transliteration format below. If you cut and paste in iTranslator software from Omkaranand Ashram, you can see it in Devanagari script. --------- Begin ---------OM gaM kumaara gaNapataye, OM namaH shUrapadma naasha kaaraNaaya sarvashakti dharaaya sarpa yaGYopavItanaaya mahaa pracaNDa krodhanaaya rakta kukShi dharaaya asura koTi saMhaara kaaraNaaya akhaNDa maNDalaaya devataarcita paada padmaaya shaakinii raakinii laakinii haakinii Daakinii kuuShmaaNDa bhuuta vetaaLa paishaaca brahma raakShasa duShTa grahaan naashaya naashaya, bhaarata likhita lekhinii karaaya apasmaara grahaan nivaaraya nivaaraya mardaya mardaya, guhaagrajaaya gajaasura saMharaNaaya garjita bhuuta karaaya sakala bhuuta preta pishaaca brahma raakShasaan shuulena aakR^intaya aakR^intaya chhedaya chhedaya maaraya maaraya, mahaagaNapataye umaakumaaraaya huM phaT bandha bandha DhaM glaaM glauM gaM gaNapataye swaahaa--------- End --------- Another version isOM hriiM glauM gaM gaNapataye gaM glauM hriiMRead whichever is convenient, but for 4 hours everyday. If that is tough, do it atleast for 2 hours. > I consider attributing the cause of problem to badhaka and Marankaraka > concepts as stretching the logic too far. Ketu as a malefic is not bad in> the 11th and can't cause such grave threats in the 9th in Navamsa aspected> only by Jupitor.Dear Praveen, Ketu in 11th is good, but not if 11th is badhaka sthana and there are other weaknesses. Whatever house he occupies in navamsa, Ketu is the badhaka lord in navamsa too! He is associated with badhaka sthana in rasi, navamsa and trimsamsa! What is stretching logic depends on one's understanding of what the basics are. In the charts I have seen with spirit problems, both nodes and badhaka sthana are always involved. To MY mind, attributing this result somehow to Jupiter is stretching logic, while Ketu in badhaka sthana with Gulika and in mrityu bhaga is the perfect, clear and crisp logic. What is " compact " to me looks " stretched " to you and what is compact to you looks stretched to me. Obviously, our understanding of the FUNDAMENTALS is different. :-) Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " Virendra Kumar " <jumanji1957 wrote:>> Namaste Narasimha Ji > Pranaams. I am completely overwhelmed by your analysis. Yes, she does have a> curse, but her current condition is THAT of a possessed individual!>> I did consider Moon's (AK) mrityu bhaga as well as MKS. In fact I was> reading Willa's 2006 west coast lecture on Saturn - the root of disease when > this case landed up. 4th house from Moon is occupied by Ketu - by Willa's> lecture 4th house from moon is body's healing abilities. Ketu may give> problems from unknown sources - like spirits and ghosts! Yes, I did consider > Ketu's proximity with Gulika and Ketu's mrityu bjaga center - however I DID> NOT consider changing the Vimsottari Dasa to the Kshema star - which gives> ruling dasa period of Ketu itself! I also considered Rahu's transit position > in her natal 4th house where AL resides.>> The first query from her brother-in-law was - " will she survive? " Her own> family have almost given up hopes and they are now planning to leave her at > an asylum - in the company of strangers! I have on my own persuaded them to> wait for a week before taking any steps and this is where I posted this case> across lists!>> Please accept my deepest gratitude for sparing your valuable time in > analyzing her chart and suggesting a remedy! Many thanks for the remedy! My> query ->> * Can a priest chant Kumaara Ganapathi mantra? - am asking this because the> family cannot be expected to do it in present circumstances! > * Is the presence of the lady required during this chanting?> * Where can I download Kumaara Ganapathi Mantra? If your kind self or anyone> from this list knows an authentic Pundit in Mumbai who can do the needful, I > can persuade the family to approach him!> > Please accept my humble pranaams.>> Virendra>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrwrote: >> > Namaste,> >> > I see that there is a very very serious problem here.> >> > Jupiter having the aspect of Saturn, Mars and Rahu shows a Brahmana shaapa > > (a learned man's curse) from previous life. But that may not be the main> > problem and the direct cause of current affliction.> >> > IMHO, the main problem is Ketu being in badhaka sthana within a couple of > > degrees from Gulika. He is the 2nd lord and a maraka too. More importantly,> > he is in mrityu bhaga, i.e. within the dangerous degree of Leo for him. Each> > planet has a dangerous trimsamsa (one degree) in each sign. JHora shows > > them.> >> > Though people may be tempted to take Vimsottari dasa from Moon as usual and> > say that Jupiter dasa is running now, I will differ. Despite being exalted,> > Moon is in the 8th house in marana karaka sthana. He is also in his mrityu> > bhaga (dangerous degree for him in that sign). Such a weak Moon is in my> > judgment unqualified to start the dasas. We can initiate Vimsottari dasa > > from kshema tara Pushyami, which has 5 planets in kendra from it.> >> > Based on kshema Vimsottari dasa (JHora gives it), she is running Ketu> > mahadasa from 2004 to 2011.> > > > Being a maraka, being in badhaka sthana, being in an Adhisatru sthana,> > being in mrityu bhaga and being close to Gulika, Ketu is quite malefic. Even> > in D-30, Ketu is again in badhaka sthana with the badhaka lord Mercury. > > Affliction of Mercury by nodes in D-30 shows affliction to buddhi. Most> > psychological disorder charts show malefic affliction to Moon or Mercury in> > D-30.> >> > Planets in badhaka sthana, especially Ketu, give diseases that are very> > difficult to diagnose and often involve supernatural causes. It could very> > well be a spirit problem. I think doctors are not of much use. The situation > > is quite bad an very very difficult to fix with easy remedies. Desperate> > situations call for desperate measures.> >> > The best would be to chant Kumaara Ganapathi mantra. If somebody can chant > > Kumaara Ganapathi mantra for 4 hours everyday for 40 days, it may be able to> > solve her problem. The rule is to sit down in one place with a straight back> > and still body and say mantra mentally. If legs ache, it is ok to get up > > once every 30-60 min, move for a minute or so and sit down again.> >> > Serious problems require serious remedies and there are no magical> > push-button kind of solutions.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > >> > sohamsa , " Dev Kumar " <jumanji1957@> wrote: > > > > > > I have just come across a case, the lady in question is married. She is> > > exhibiting symptoms of a person possessed by evil spirits! Am mentioning > > > birth details for Gurujan's and learned astrologers to suggest remedy for> > > the concerned lady. She is the sister-in-law of one of my close friends.> > >> > > Birth Details: > > >> > > January 19, 1970> > >> > > Time: 1:20:00> > >> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > >> > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 19 N 07' 00 " > > >> > > Andheri, India> > >> > > The lady is married and her symptoms were triggered with the birth of her > > > second daughter. Since then she uses abusive language to the point of> > > threatening neighbors, relatives - all and sundry. She is in the habit of> > > leaving her house and wandering at all sorts of places, including railway > > > platforms, beaches - each time the police have traced her and brought her> > to> > > her husband's house. Her husband has disowned her and now she is staying> > > with her brother. Since her trouble began her relations have tried all > > sorts> > > of treatments, including soliciting help from witch doctors and> > soothsayers.> > > She is currently on Allopathic treatment and her brothers are now> > > considering shifting her to a mental asylum - all in the interest of> > > bringing peace in their lives!> > > > > > Physically the lady complains of tumor in her abdomen and chest! She is> > in> > > the habit of mumbling and then mouthing foul language - if asked, she> > says a> > > Devi is encouraging her to do so! > > >> > > I humbly approach all learned astrologers and Gurujan's to study the case> > > and suggest remedy if possible - which can bring relief to the entire> > > family! > > >> > > Please accept my humble pranaams!> > >> > > Virendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Virendra. Thank-you for another case study, Do you have some specific dates on this recent case? for rectification purposes , and for timing- When she started acting strangely, etc. Any other significant dates you can provide. best wishes LakshmiVirendra Kumar <jumanji1957 wrote: Dear Lakshmi Kary JiThanks for soothing words. Yes, in a way the lady is now under constant watch and observation - this is some solace. On the other hand, I could nothing for her - which is sad!I would like to share one more case where insanity and possession by spirits was exhibited. Below are the birth details -The native is a lady once again April 2, 1975Time: 19:12:30Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 34' 00", 34 N 10' 00" Patan, IndiaThe native has a son and once symptoms manifested themselves, the lady however did not wander around. The only company she tolerated was that of her son. I have personally visited this lady and she was bad mouthing obscene language!! This lady was known to blabber out all sorts of languages - some very obscure, sometimes she would speak like a person predicting the future! This lady has been exorcised by a powerful tantrik and is somewhat stable since a year or so. Hope this case proves interesting astrologically. Many thanks for your inputs and kind words. My humble pranaamsVirendra On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary > wrote: Hare Rama Krishna Dear Virendra, and others Thanks for the update. I wish more people would give us follow up reports. Look at it on the good side. She is probably safer in the mental asylum, than wandering off. She is more likely to die in some horrible fashion or get raped, murdered, hit by a car, starve to death,while wandering on the streets,etc. In addition, the majority of people who "go crazy" (not saying whether it is biochemical/physical imbalance or spirit/ghost imbalance) are helped by some steady medication. I have charts of people who went completely nuts but with a few months of medication,and hospitalization, came down to reality. Im sure the family felt it was in the best interest of the women, at least they can rest feeling someone is watching and caring for her. I dont know the condition of mental hospital in India but im sure it is better than letting her wander . If I get a chance I will dig through my files and find some charts of people who went off the deep end for various reasons. Also I want to point out. that if you look carefully at many normally functioning peoples charts you will find curses, sometimes many !, and also some hint of "spirits" etc etc It would be interesting to know how many charts DONT have some type of curse! During some astronomical points in time whole groups of people are being born with "curses". In the charts of people who are ill for a brief period the dasas show it. While people who have life long illness, have one bad dasa(that involve the afflciting planets) after another. Varga examination really help us in this regard to show the severe cases. Best wishes. Lakshmi Virendra Kumar <jumanji1957 > wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ----------Virendra Kumar <jumanji1957 >Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:24 AMRe: Re: Possessed by evil spirits? Namaste Narasimha Rao JiPranaams. There have been sad developments at the native's end. The concerned lady was shifted to a mental asylum about 10 days back - I received this information from a third party. My friend and the lady's family is now reluctant to part with information related to her.I find myself helpless in these circumstances! I would like to expresses my gratitude and thanks for sparing time and efforts to look into her horoscope and suggest remedies.I would also like to thank other list members who have given their valuable inputs. Warm regardsVirendra On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste Virendra,I see no danger to life at this time. However, as I said, I do suspect a spirit is involved and I do believe the situation is quite serious.Luckily, Ketu-Rahu antardasa finished in June 2008. Now, Ketu-Jupiter is running. There is some chance of a good help and remedy to the problem. That gives me SOME hope.Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think a priest can help. I have seen many priests in my life, but I have met only a handful who can actually make a true difference. These days, people are better off doing the best job they themselves can do, instead of relying on a priest or a pandit.Most priests have neither the jaagrut shakti nor the devotion needed. Mantras work either because an individual with jaagrut shakti quickly taps the shakti of the mantra or because the devotion slowly taps the shakti of the mantra. The first approach is rare these days. For the second approach, there is no difference between a priest and a layman! In fact, most priests are unlikely to have the same focus of mind on the goal and the same level of compassion for the suffering person as the relatives and close people. If a person without jaagrut shakti has to awaken a mantra for a specific person's benefit, there has to be a deep compassion for the suffering of the person. I honestly feel that laymen can achieve that better than priests, if they manage to sit down for hours. Things were different in the old days, when priests did tremendous penance and were a walking bundle of energy. In the changed situation of this age, my advice is always for people to do remedies themselves.That is my sincere advice. If the family or close relatives/friends cannot do anything, well, I guess then things are tough.I understand that things are difficult for the family and sitting for meditation for 4 hours everyday is tough. I know another case of spirit possession. The lady was possessed for almost 10 years!! Her family suffered so much during that time. At the end, her family was advised to recite Chandipath and do a homam everyday. They actually did it, despite the tremendous hardships. The lady is fine now.Kumaara Ganapathi mantra is for a form of Ganapathi formed with the energy of Kumara/Kartikeya/Subrahmanya (warrior god, army commander of gods). It is effective in removing the trouble from spirits. I am giving the mantra in iTrans transliteration format below. If you cut and paste in iTranslator software from Omkaranand Ashram, you can see it in Devanagari script.--------- Begin ---------OM gaM kumaara gaNapataye, OM namaH shUrapadma naasha kaaraNaaya sarvashakti dharaaya sarpa yaGYopavItanaaya mahaa pracaNDa krodhanaaya rakta kukShi dharaaya asura koTi saMhaara kaaraNaaya akhaNDa maNDalaaya devataarcita paada padmaaya shaakinii raakinii laakinii haakinii Daakinii kuuShmaaNDa bhuuta vetaaLa paishaaca brahma raakShasa duShTa grahaan naashaya naashaya, bhaarata likhita lekhinii karaaya apasmaara grahaan nivaaraya nivaaraya mardaya mardaya, guhaagrajaaya gajaasura saMharaNaaya garjita bhuuta karaaya sakala bhuuta preta pishaaca brahma raakShasaan shuulena aakR^intaya aakR^intaya chhedaya chhedaya maaraya maaraya, mahaagaNapataye umaakumaaraaya huM phaT bandha bandha DhaM glaaM glauM gaM gaNapataye swaahaa--------- End ---------Another version isOM hriiM glauM gaM gaNapataye gaM glauM hriiMRead whichever is convenient, but for 4 hours everyday. If that is tough, do it atleast for 2 hours. > I consider attributing the cause of problem to badhaka and Marankaraka> concepts as stretching the logic too far. Ketu as a malefic is not bad in> the 11th and can't cause such grave threats in the 9th in Navamsa aspected> only by Jupitor.Dear Praveen, Ketu in 11th is good, but not if 11th is badhaka sthana and there are other weaknesses. Whatever house he occupies in navamsa, Ketu is the badhaka lord in navamsa too! He is associated with badhaka sthana in rasi, navamsa and trimsamsa!What is stretching logic depends on one's understanding of what the basics are. In the charts I have seen with spirit problems, both nodes and badhaka sthana are always involved. To MY mind, attributing this result somehow to Jupiter is stretching logic, while Ketu in badhaka sthana with Gulika and in mrityu bhaga is the perfect, clear and crisp logic. What is "compact" to me looks "stretched" to you and what is compact to you looks stretched to me. Obviously, our understanding of the FUNDAMENTALS is different. :-) Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , "Virendra Kumar" <jumanji1957 wrote:>> Namaste Narasimha Ji> Pranaams. I am completely overwhelmed by your analysis. Yes, she does have a> curse, but her current condition is THAT of a possessed individual!>> I did consider Moon's (AK) mrityu bhaga as well as MKS. In fact I was> reading Willa's 2006 west coast lecture on Saturn - the root of disease when> this case landed up. 4th house from Moon is occupied by Ketu - by Willa's> lecture 4th house from moon is body's healing abilities. Ketu may give> problems from unknown sources - like spirits and ghosts! Yes, I did consider> Ketu's proximity with Gulika and Ketu's mrityu bjaga center - however I DID> NOT consider changing the Vimsottari Dasa to the Kshema star - which gives> ruling dasa period of Ketu itself! I also considered Rahu's transit position> in her natal 4th house where AL resides.>> The first query from her brother-in-law was - "will she survive?" Her own> family have almost given up hopes and they are now planning to leave her at> an asylum - in the company of strangers! I have on my own persuaded them to> wait for a week before taking any steps and this is where I posted this case> across lists!>> Please accept my deepest gratitude for sparing your valuable time in> analyzing her chart and suggesting a remedy! Many thanks for the remedy! My> query ->> * Can a priest chant Kumaara Ganapathi mantra? - am asking this because the> family cannot be expected to do it in present circumstances!> * Is the presence of the lady required during this chanting?> * Where can I download Kumaara Ganapathi Mantra? If your kind self or anyone> from this list knows an authentic Pundit in Mumbai who can do the needful, I> can persuade the family to approach him!> > Please accept my humble pranaams.>> Virendra>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvrwrote: >> > Namaste,> >> > I see that there is a very very serious problem here.> >> > Jupiter having the aspect of Saturn, Mars and Rahu shows a Brahmana shaapa> > (a learned man's curse) from previous life. But that may not be the main> > problem and the direct cause of current affliction.> >> > IMHO, the main problem is Ketu being in badhaka sthana within a couple of> > degrees from Gulika. He is the 2nd lord and a maraka too. More importantly,> > he is in mrityu bhaga, i.e. within the dangerous degree of Leo for him. Each> > planet has a dangerous trimsamsa (one degree) in each sign. JHora shows> > them.> >> > Though people may be tempted to take Vimsottari dasa from Moon as usual and> > say that Jupiter dasa is running now, I will differ. Despite being exalted,> > Moon is in the 8th house in marana karaka sthana. He is also in his mrityu> > bhaga (dangerous degree for him in that sign). Such a weak Moon is in my> > judgment unqualified to start the dasas. We can initiate Vimsottari dasa> > from kshema tara Pushyami, which has 5 planets in kendra from it.> >> > Based on kshema Vimsottari dasa (JHora gives it), she is running Ketu> > mahadasa from 2004 to 2011.> >> > Being a maraka, being in badhaka sthana, being in an Adhisatru sthana,> > being in mrityu bhaga and being close to Gulika, Ketu is quite malefic. Even> > in D-30, Ketu is again in badhaka sthana with the badhaka lord Mercury.> > Affliction of Mercury by nodes in D-30 shows affliction to buddhi. Most> > psychological disorder charts show malefic affliction to Moon or Mercury in> > D-30.> >> > Planets in badhaka sthana, especially Ketu, give diseases that are very> > difficult to diagnose and often involve supernatural causes. It could very> > well be a spirit problem. I think doctors are not of much use. The situation> > is quite bad an very very difficult to fix with easy remedies. Desperate> > situations call for desperate measures.> >> > The best would be to chant Kumaara Ganapathi mantra. If somebody can chant> > Kumaara Ganapathi mantra for 4 hours everyday for 40 days, it may be able to> > solve her problem. The rule is to sit down in one place with a straight back> > and still body and say mantra mentally. If legs ache, it is ok to get up> > once every 30-60 min, move for a minute or so and sit down again.> >> > Serious problems require serious remedies and there are no magical> > push-button kind of solutions.> >> > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > >> > sohamsa , "Dev Kumar" <jumanji1957@> wrote:> > > > > > I have just come across a case, the lady in question is married. She is> > > exhibiting symptoms of a person possessed by evil spirits! Am mentioning> > > birth details for Gurujan's and learned astrologers to suggest remedy for> > > the concerned lady. She is the sister-in-law of one of my close friends.> > >> > > Birth Details:> > >> > > January 19, 1970> > >> > > Time: 1:20:00> > >> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > >> > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 19 N 07' 00"> > >> > > Andheri, India> > >> > > The lady is married and her symptoms were triggered with the birth of her> > > second daughter. Since then she uses abusive language to the point of> > > threatening neighbors, relatives - all and sundry. She is in the habit of> > > leaving her house and wandering at all sorts of places, including railway> > > platforms, beaches - each time the police have traced her and brought her> > to> > > her husband's house. Her husband has disowned her and now she is staying> > > with her brother. Since her trouble began her relations have tried all> > sorts> > > of treatments, including soliciting help from witch doctors and> > soothsayers.> > > She is currently on Allopathic treatment and her brothers are now> > > considering shifting her to a mental asylum - all in the interest of> > > bringing peace in their lives!> > >> > > Physically the lady complains of tumor in her abdomen and chest! She is> > in> > > the habit of mumbling and then mouthing foul language - if asked, she> > says a> > > Devi is encouraging her to do so!> > >> > > I humbly approach all learned astrologers and Gurujan's to study the case> > > and suggest remedy if possible - which can bring relief to the entire> > > family!> > >> > > Please accept my humble pranaams!> > >> > > Virendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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