Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Namaskar Tijana, Well written post. Kindly explain what are the effects of behaviour which is not chaste. I am asking specifically about the mental satisfaction some people derive from being with members of opposite sex and to whom they are not married to. They do feel that they were not 'adharmic' because they did not stray in the literal sense, but then at the same time they do crave for the attention and company of the non -marriage partners for gratification of their mental and other emotional needs. Thanks Suchitra sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic " <tijanadamjanovic wrote: > > om krishna guru > > Dear Sundeep, > I thought I gave priority to chastity…at least that was my intent. > Chastity is the purity in thoughts, words and deeds. Understood as an > abstinence from sex only, bramacarya doesn`t have to equal chastity. > Bramacarya puts sexual abstinence in its focus with a higher and very > clear objective of spiritual elevation. In any other case, long > abstinence from sex harms human physical and mental condition. Sexual > activity is governed by Venus, who not only controls ojas and jala > tatva but is the one with the rejuvenation power as it holds > Sanjeevani mantra. Watter has great revitalizing and soothing power > and influence to our system. Sexual activity ensures the flow of the > liquids through the whole body and supplies it with the hormones that > makes us happy and healthy. But. Not every sexual activity. > Being 3rd house, sex is the 9th (dharma) from the 7th (marriage). This > also means that sex outside the marriage is not dharma. > In his article on sexuality, Sri Sai Baba gives the astonishing > statement from Puranas-nadis remain under the influence of the > partner`s energy for 12 years after the sexual act. Sex is extremely > powerful releasing and exchanging of energy that has deep karmic > consequences, and it is questionable weather we can release ourselves > from this energetic influence in case of numerous partners. This is > surely related to Rahu, the cause of re-birth, that gets exalted in > the sign of Mittuna. According to Sai Baba, Svadisthana hakra in the > case of an adultery or illegitimate sex radiates dark, greenish- brown > color and in long terms this must be the cause of the Venerian > diseases. Illegitimate sex bring disorder to mind (moon) as it is not > supported by proper emotions (either between the partners or by the > society) and it causes a serious negative impact on indriyas. > As for the Mars…He represents the energy and the will-power that is > extremely important for bramacarya. But Puranas explain the nature of > his bramacarya. He approaches it out of great anger and obstinacy. We > shouldn`t forget that branacarya ends after the period of learning, > sadhana and similar, or it should grow into the Sanyasa that is of > course much higher as it represents the controlling and withdrawal of > all senses. To keep Mars from extremities and to give the meaning to > his bramacarya, the help of Guru is needed. Also, the only planet that > can completely remove or destroy passion and desire is Ketu. > Hope this helps. > Regards, > Tijana Damjanovic > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent " > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tijanaji, > > I am actually replying to the following part of your writeup (at > > the end of this post), which I found extremely interesting. One > > opinion I have is that while the scriptures certainly have the > > perfect and distilled truth in them, interpreting them correctly > > *within the context of the current age* is no small feat/ not an > > easy task at all. > > > > I understand that Brahmacharya is important, but can you > > word " Brahmacharya is important " in astrological terms, so we can > > have a common ground to talk on? i.e does " Brahmacarya is important " > > translate to, for example, Venus being in Pisces with Jupiter? i.e. > > powerful in a pure sign and with Guru? This may not be the only > > combination (or even the right combination), I'm simply looking for > > one that reflects the *essence* of Brahmacarya. I have heard that > > Mars is a Brahmachari, but then Venus is ojas, right, so I'm a bit > > confused as to how Mars shows this essence.. > > > > The above is one way to start a discussion i.e. on common and > > objective astrological ground. Another way is to discuss how exactly > > to practice Brahmacarya: I think what is *not* mentioned in > > scriptures (and no one here, strangely enough) is what happens with > > the blind practice of Brahmacarya, which people loosely understand > > as sexual abstinence. You very correctly say - ojas is understood > > as " vigor, vitality and procreative power " , right? Actually the West > > has a deeper and clearer understanding than you perhaps give them > > credit for, because " vigor, vitality and procreative power " are > > actually *effects* of ojas, right, not ojas itself? Because vigor > > and vitality are the *mental* qualities induced by ojas. The famous > > Sigmund Freud somehow understood the true meaning of ojas, but not > > quite, when he (in a sense) called the sexual urge the underlying > > motivator of all action. The equally famous Carl Jung grasped it a > > little clearer when he realized that the " sexual " urge in essence > > was not just sexual, it was actually primal creative *psychic* > > energy (not *physical* energy), which he termed libido. > > > > So, in my understanding when we talk about Brahmacarya, we are > > actually talking about controlling/channeling the libido. In my > > personal experience, it is wrong to blindly suppress the *sexual* > > manifestation of libido. All it does, after a while, is to create > > depression (and in my case, incessant dreams of death). Libido can > > never and should never be suppressed, it must be a given a path to > > flow. So for ordinary aspirants like myself, first the right > > practices must be developed, i.e. you must find a higher outlet for > > the libido. Simply crushing the sexual outlet leads to mental > > problems, IMHO. A lot of people who are heavily into their careers > > also have very low sexual libidos - does that mean that they are > > Brahmacharis in the sense used in the scriptures? Not at all, they > > have simply found another perhaps slightly higher outlet for libido, > > perhaps at one chakra higher than the average. Also, there is now > > significant enough information about men who have been castrated. If > > you check the information on the web, while castration definitely is > > very effective in crushing sexual libido, it does not lead to > > spirituality (as you might expect if you read scriptures literally), > > more often it leads to depression (as I also experienced by > > voluntary self-restraint). > > > > So in my personal experience, in *today's world* you must interpret > > Brahmacarya as the proper channeling of libido. It is an > > *attainment* in itself, not merely a tool to attain something else! > > If you blindly suppress sexual libido, it will quickly manifest > > elsewhere e.g. one's career could get a boost, or one could develop > > an uncontrollable urge to eat spicy food, or even to drink alcohol, > > or one could find more (mental) energy to pursue their(very > > materialistic) obsession to be " the best " astrologer. Controlling > > libido is like slowly squeezing an inflated balloon - push it in in > > one place, and it pops out of another. If you push it in everywhere, > > you get depressed (balloon explodes). It does not automatically pop > > out " in the right place " i.e. the one little point sized hole that > > leads to God. That point must be be cultivated before all > > this " pushing " is done.. > > > > My suspicion is that the people who talk highly of Brahmacarya are > > either the very fortunate ones who have been blessed with a powerful > > conception of God from early on, or the confused ones who are > > obsessively pursuing something else perhaps less materialistic by > > suppressing sexuality, or those who simply cite scriptures without > > following the path. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states > > that sexual > > > > > > > urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not > > > surprising as > > > > > > > sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid > > fluctuation > > > in the > > > > > > > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first > > place). This > > > > > > > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the > > > predominance of > > > > > > > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and Venus. > > > These two > > > > > > > planets are also responsible for the producing of the ojas > > (the > > > > > > > finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain > > > function > > > > > > > properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and > > > procreative > > > > > > > power). In general, this means that women can produce more > > ojas > > > > > than man. > > > > > > > How is this related to poojas and spirituality? > > > > > > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed > > into > > > ojas in > > > > > > > the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim > > has > > > lifting > > > > > > > of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and its > > > storing in > > > > > > > the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, smarter > > > and more > > > > > > > spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be done > > ONLY by > > > > > > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has > > always been > > > > > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without > > > chastity. It > > > > > > > is clear why it is even more important for women to be > > chaste and > > > > > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her > > > body-gross and > > > > > > > causal. > > > > > > > Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental > > disorder as > > > > > > > ojas and prana directly influence the work of the brain > > > centres. Thus > > > > > > > it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja > > in > > > > > > > question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly > > > cycle is > > > > > > > based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the > > > sexual urge. > > > > > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the > > period > > > of poojas > > > > > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually > > > required in > > > > > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. > > > > > > > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous and > > > different, but > > > > > > > all of them must find their path through the Sushumna. The > > one who > > > > > > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women simply > > > lacks ojas > > > > > > > in his/her brain. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Tijana Damjanovic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Ana, odakle si? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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