Importance of astrology (Importance of Brahmacharya)

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Dear Tijanaji,

Thank you for your reply. Your replies always have a lot of

information and I am grateful for that.

 

That said, I have still not converged at a clear understanding and

perhaps need more clarity from you. First, I am unclear about the

astrological proof you have given to support the statement that

illegitimate sex is adharmik. Nice point on your part that 3rd is

9th from the 7th. But perhaps I misunderstand 9th from a house. As I

understand it, 9th from a house defines " the right way " for it. And

by looking at the house, and what makes it strong, you understand

what exactly is the " right way " . So when we talk about the first

house, the 9th from it defines the " right way " for Lagna, which is,

to have a strong Guru etc. But that doesnt automatically mean that a

strong Guru is required for *any* 1-9 relationship (e.g. 2nd house

and 10th house also form a 1-9 relationship, as do 7th house and 3rd

house). So, when we look at 9th from the 7th i.e. the 3rd defines

the " right way " for relationships (not just marriage). And

that " right way " is by making the 3rd house strong, i.e. desires

strong. This (desires) is not a 9th house attribute at all, but a

conclusion of 9th-ness from 7th. Net result - we're still at the

same place in terms of astrological proof - this particular argument

does not support the fact that sex outside marriage is any worse

than sex inside marriage. And it still doesnt state that sex inside

marriage is dharmik. Next, that Rahu is exalted in the natural 3rd.

Again, that only states " Rahu, master of rebirth, is exalted in the

natural 3rd, house of desires " . Which is true, of course, rajasik

desires will cause rebirth for sure. And this adds color to the

previous argument - while the previous argument said " strong desires

support relationships " , this adds " and cause rebirth, too " .

 

 

Separately, when you say Ketu destroys passions, I have a small

doubt there. Does it really destroy, or does it push it inward

toward " deeper things " . Because if Saturn, Venus and Ketu together

form Tapaswi yoga then Ketu cannot really be destroying Venus. It

seems to me that Venus provides the ojas (libido, as I understand

it), Saturn " collects " it (or constricts, focusses, whichever verb

you prefer) and Ketu drives it inward. Otherwise how would anything

be achieved at all in Tapaswi yoga? This also makes me think - what

kind of a yoga is Saturn, Rahu and Venus?

 

Regards,

 

Sundeep

 

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic "

<tijanadamjanovic wrote:

>

> om krishna guru

>

> Dear Sundeep,

> I thought I gave priority to chastity…at least that was my intent.

> Chastity is the purity in thoughts, words and deeds. Understood as

an

> abstinence from sex only, bramacarya doesn`t have to equal

chastity.

> Bramacarya puts sexual abstinence in its focus with a higher and

very

> clear objective of spiritual elevation. In any other case, long

> abstinence from sex harms human physical and mental condition.

Sexual

> activity is governed by Venus, who not only controls ojas and jala

> tatva but is the one with the rejuvenation power as it holds

> Sanjeevani mantra. Watter has great revitalizing and soothing power

> and influence to our system. Sexual activity ensures the flow of

the

> liquids through the whole body and supplies it with the hormones

that

> makes us happy and healthy. But. Not every sexual activity.

> Being 3rd house, sex is the 9th (dharma) from the 7th (marriage).

This

> also means that sex outside the marriage is not dharma.

> In his article on sexuality, Sri Sai Baba gives the astonishing

> statement from Puranas-nadis remain under the influence of the

> partner`s energy for 12 years after the sexual act. Sex is

extremely

> powerful releasing and exchanging of energy that has deep karmic

> consequences, and it is questionable weather we can release

ourselves

> from this energetic influence in case of numerous partners. This is

> surely related to Rahu, the cause of re-birth, that gets exalted in

> the sign of Mittuna. According to Sai Baba, Svadisthana hakra in

the

> case of an adultery or illegitimate sex radiates dark, greenish-

brown

> color and in long terms this must be the cause of the Venerian

> diseases. Illegitimate sex bring disorder to mind (moon) as it is

not

> supported by proper emotions (either between the partners or by the

> society) and it causes a serious negative impact on indriyas.

> As for the Mars…He represents the energy and the will-power that is

> extremely important for bramacarya. But Puranas explain the nature

of

> his bramacarya. He approaches it out of great anger and obstinacy.

We

> shouldn`t forget that branacarya ends after the period of learning,

> sadhana and similar, or it should grow into the Sanyasa that is of

> course much higher as it represents the controlling and withdrawal

of

> all senses. To keep Mars from extremities and to give the meaning

to

> his bramacarya, the help of Guru is needed. Also, the only planet

that

> can completely remove or destroy passion and desire is Ketu.

> Hope this helps.

> Regards,

> Tijana Damjanovic

>

>

> sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tijanaji,

> > I am actually replying to the following part of your writeup

(at

> > the end of this post), which I found extremely interesting. One

> > opinion I have is that while the scriptures certainly have the

> > perfect and distilled truth in them, interpreting them correctly

> > *within the context of the current age* is no small feat/ not an

> > easy task at all.

> >

> > I understand that Brahmacharya is important, but can you

> > word " Brahmacharya is important " in astrological terms, so we

can

> > have a common ground to talk on? i.e does " Brahmacarya is

important "

> > translate to, for example, Venus being in Pisces with Jupiter?

i.e.

> > powerful in a pure sign and with Guru? This may not be the only

> > combination (or even the right combination), I'm simply looking

for

> > one that reflects the *essence* of Brahmacarya. I have heard

that

> > Mars is a Brahmachari, but then Venus is ojas, right, so I'm a

bit

> > confused as to how Mars shows this essence..

> >

> > The above is one way to start a discussion i.e. on common and

> > objective astrological ground. Another way is to discuss how

exactly

> > to practice Brahmacarya: I think what is *not* mentioned in

> > scriptures (and no one here, strangely enough) is what happens

with

> > the blind practice of Brahmacarya, which people loosely

understand

> > as sexual abstinence. You very correctly say - ojas is

understood

> > as " vigor, vitality and procreative power " , right? Actually the

West

> > has a deeper and clearer understanding than you perhaps give

them

> > credit for, because " vigor, vitality and procreative power " are

> > actually *effects* of ojas, right, not ojas itself? Because

vigor

> > and vitality are the *mental* qualities induced by ojas. The

famous

> > Sigmund Freud somehow understood the true meaning of ojas, but

not

> > quite, when he (in a sense) called the sexual urge the

underlying

> > motivator of all action. The equally famous Carl Jung grasped it

a

> > little clearer when he realized that the " sexual " urge in

essence

> > was not just sexual, it was actually primal creative *psychic*

> > energy (not *physical* energy), which he termed libido.

> >

> > So, in my understanding when we talk about Brahmacarya, we are

> > actually talking about controlling/channeling the libido. In my

> > personal experience, it is wrong to blindly suppress the

*sexual*

> > manifestation of libido. All it does, after a while, is to

create

> > depression (and in my case, incessant dreams of death). Libido

can

> > never and should never be suppressed, it must be a given a path

to

> > flow. So for ordinary aspirants like myself, first the right

> > practices must be developed, i.e. you must find a higher outlet

for

> > the libido. Simply crushing the sexual outlet leads to mental

> > problems, IMHO. A lot of people who are heavily into their

careers

> > also have very low sexual libidos - does that mean that they are

> > Brahmacharis in the sense used in the scriptures? Not at all,

they

> > have simply found another perhaps slightly higher outlet for

libido,

> > perhaps at one chakra higher than the average. Also, there is

now

> > significant enough information about men who have been

castrated. If

> > you check the information on the web, while castration

definitely is

> > very effective in crushing sexual libido, it does not lead to

> > spirituality (as you might expect if you read scriptures

literally),

> > more often it leads to depression (as I also experienced by

> > voluntary self-restraint).

> >

> > So in my personal experience, in *today's world* you must

interpret

> > Brahmacarya as the proper channeling of libido. It is an

> > *attainment* in itself, not merely a tool to attain something

else!

> > If you blindly suppress sexual libido, it will quickly manifest

> > elsewhere e.g. one's career could get a boost, or one could

develop

> > an uncontrollable urge to eat spicy food, or even to drink

alcohol,

> > or one could find more (mental) energy to pursue their(very

> > materialistic) obsession to be " the best " astrologer.

Controlling

> > libido is like slowly squeezing an inflated balloon - push it in

in

> > one place, and it pops out of another. If you push it in

everywhere,

> > you get depressed (balloon explodes). It does not automatically

pop

> > out " in the right place " i.e. the one little point sized hole

that

> > leads to God. That point must be be cultivated before all

> > this " pushing " is done..

> >

> > My suspicion is that the people who talk highly of Brahmacarya

are

> > either the very fortunate ones who have been blessed with a

powerful

> > conception of God from early on, or the confused ones who are

> > obsessively pursuing something else perhaps less materialistic

by

> > suppressing sexuality, or those who simply cite scriptures

without

> > following the path.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > > > > > > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states

> > that sexual

> > > > > > > urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not

> > > surprising as

> > > > > > > sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid

> > fluctuation

> > > in the

> > > > > > > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first

> > place). This

> > > > > > > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the

> > > predominance of

> > > > > > > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and

Venus.

> > > These two

> > > > > > > planets are also responsible for the producing of the

ojas

> > (the

> > > > > > > finniest energetic product of our body that makes the

brain

> > > function

> > > > > > > properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality

and

> > > procreative

> > > > > > > power). In general, this means that women can produce

more

> > ojas

> > > > > than man.

> > > > > > > How is this related to poojas and spirituality?

> > > > > > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being

transformed

> > into

> > > ojas in

> > > > > > > the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its

aim

> > has

> > > lifting

> > > > > > > of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and

its

> > > storing in

> > > > > > > the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier,

smarter

> > > and more

> > > > > > > spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be

done

> > ONLY by

> > > > > > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has

> > always been

> > > > > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen

without

> > > chastity. It

> > > > > > > is clear why it is even more important for women to be

> > chaste and

> > > > > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her

> > > body-gross and

> > > > > > > causal.

> > > > > > > Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental

> > disorder as

> > > > > > > ojas and prana directly influence the work of the brain

> > > centres. Thus

> > > > > > > it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or

pooja

> > in

> > > > > > > question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the

monthly

> > > cycle is

> > > > > > > based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and

the

> > > sexual urge.

> > > > > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the

> > period

> > > of poojas

> > > > > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is

usually

> > > required in

> > > > > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual

elevation.

> > > > > > > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous and

> > > different, but

> > > > > > > all of them must find their path through the Sushumna.

The

> > one who

> > > > > > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women

simply

> > > lacks ojas

> > > > > > > in his/her brain.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Tijana Damjanovic

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P.S. Ana, odakle si?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hare Rama Krishna Dear Tijana, and Suchitra , Narasimha. There is a time and place for everything. And the system of ashrams is good in many respects. A man( or lady) can learn brahmachari , then progress to marriage. Highest marriest is for dharma purposes where both partners make sacrifce for the good of the greater whole( society etc) one of these things is to beget good children for society and to carry on the traditions,etc. Highest standard is using sex for producing children. (A man or women shouldnt get married just as an outlet for sex , rather there should be legal prostitution for that. Why ruin so many lives if a person is unwilling or unable to make the sacrifices needed to keep a spouse and children?) But ashram of marriage is for having sense gratification of many types , but within the marriage,,not with anyone anyplace

like animals. ie,,, you have to be willing to work and care for children ,, spouse etc.Not go from one girlfriend to another without making any commitment. So many STD are around now, one in 5 people in some places have AIDS, herpes, veneral warts, and SO SO SO many women have cancer from virus transmited by MEN who arent even aware they are carrying it.! One infected man can give disease to so many ladies. Of course, one AIDS infected prostitute,(male or female) can give so many people a death sentence from AIDS,etc) These "rules" or whatever you want to call them, religious principles serve many functions. Most people after raising their children, by the time they are in their 60s are sort of naturally "worn out" from living life, and their bodies are aging and they can then practice abstinance ( vanaprastha) and then finally they can

give up altogher and maybe the husband (or wife) can take a type of sannyas.around age 70. Many women do not want to have much sex after pregnancy and child birth,,, they are exhausted .. it is naturally a time when the husband can practice abstaining for awhile. But this is for people who are on spiritual path. If someone gets married to begin with that is agreeing to care for spouse and children and that implies also trying to satisfy needs and desires of each other., the desire for affection, love and sex is one of them. (DONT GET UPSET NOW) But most times when I see one partner wanting to obstain from sex, it iSNT because they are so adamant about pursuing a spiritual regiman, but rather want to use it as an excuse to not have to have sex with their spouse. One of the main reasons why marriages split is because of the lack of harmony here. A man can be "renounced" from sex but still give

love an affection to his wife and vice /versa. REAL RENUNCIATION from sex is not like having to torture oneself to control a desire, rather one should have such a strong desire to do devotional service or practice something else that the desire for sex doesnt take front seat.Ever notice when you are so wrapped up in work or something else there is no interest in sex? SO if a person is so wrapped up in love for GOD or in his project at work, sex just doesnt come to mind.. Marriage requires both persons to make all sorts of sacrifices for each other. I strongly suggest that if a person changes their mind and decides that even though they are in the ashram of marriage and wants to obstain from sex that they have a heart to heart talk with their spouse, as such a big thing also affects the spouse. Anyway, there is beauty in the step by step progress through the ashrams of life. This is also why it is better for a man to take sannyas. AFTER marriage and at an older age. He will be more ready to make and keep such a commitment. Also what good is following abstinance if the partner ends up running to another person to fullfill their desires??? There are many great things in Vedic history and culture and lessons from the Bhagavad -Gita are direct from Krishna himself. There is a good story about the various ashrams in life, here is a link to the story. scroll to chapter 18 King Yayati regains his youth. http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/bhagavatam-canto9.html#18 Best wishes Lakshmi PS. These are just things ive learned and everyone is free to disagree and have their own opinion. .suchitra_kamath

<suchitra_kamath wrote: Namaskar Tijana,Well written post. Kindly explain what are the effects of behaviour which is not chaste. I am asking specifically about the mental satisfaction some people derive from being with members of opposite sex and to whom they are not married to. They do feel that they were not 'adharmic' because they did not stray in the literal sense, but then at the same time they do crave for the attention and company of the non -marriage partners for gratification of their mental

and other emotional needs.ThanksSuchitrasohamsa , "Tijana Damjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic wrote:>> om krishna guru> > Dear Sundeep,> I thought I gave priority to chastity…at least that was my intent.> Chastity is the purity in thoughts, words and deeds. Understood as an> abstinence from sex only, bramacarya doesn`t have to equal chastity.> Bramacarya puts sexual abstinence in its focus with a higher and very> clear objective of spiritual elevation. In any other case, long> abstinence from sex harms human physical and mental condition. Sexual> activity is governed by Venus, who not only controls ojas and jala> tatva but is the one with the rejuvenation power as it holds> Sanjeevani mantra. Watter has great revitalizing and soothing power> and influence

to our system. Sexual activity ensures the flow of the> liquids through the whole body and supplies it with the hormones that> makes us happy and healthy. But. Not every sexual activity.> Being 3rd house, sex is the 9th (dharma) from the 7th (marriage). This> also means that sex outside the marriage is not dharma.> In his article on sexuality, Sri Sai Baba gives the astonishing> statement from Puranas-nadis remain under the influence of the> partner`s energy for 12 years after the sexual act. Sex is extremely> powerful releasing and exchanging of energy that has deep karmic> consequences, and it is questionable weather we can release ourselves> from this energetic influence in case of numerous partners. This is> surely related to Rahu, the cause of re-birth, that gets exalted in> the sign of Mittuna. According to Sai Baba, Svadisthana hakra in the> case of an adultery or

illegitimate sex radiates dark, greenish-brown> color and in long terms this must be the cause of the Venerian> diseases. Illegitimate sex bring disorder to mind (moon) as it is not> supported by proper emotions (either between the partners or by the> society) and it causes a serious negative impact on indriyas.> As for the Mars…He represents the energy and the will-power that is> extremely important for bramacarya. But Puranas explain the nature of> his bramacarya. He approaches it out of great anger and obstinacy. We> shouldn`t forget that branacarya ends after the period of learning,> sadhana and similar, or it should grow into the Sanyasa that is of> course much higher as it represents the controlling and withdrawal of> all senses. To keep Mars from extremities and to give the meaning to> his bramacarya, the help of Guru is needed. Also, the only planet

that> can completely remove or destroy passion and desire is Ketu.> Hope this helps.> Regards,> Tijana Damjanovic> > > sohamsa , "vedicastrostudent"> <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> >> > Dear Tijanaji,> > I am actually replying to the following part of your writeup (at > > the end of this post), which I found extremely interesting. One > > opinion I have is that while the scriptures certainly have the > > perfect and distilled truth in them, interpreting them correctly > > *within the context of the current age* is no small feat/ not an > > easy task at all.> > > > I understand that Brahmacharya is important, but can you > > word "Brahmacharya is important" in astrological terms, so we can > > have a common ground

to talk on? i.e does "Brahmacarya is important" > > translate to, for example, Venus being in Pisces with Jupiter? i.e. > > powerful in a pure sign and with Guru? This may not be the only > > combination (or even the right combination), I'm simply looking for > > one that reflects the *essence* of Brahmacarya. I have heard that > > Mars is a Brahmachari, but then Venus is ojas, right, so I'm a bit > > confused as to how Mars shows this essence..> > > > The above is one way to start a discussion i.e. on common and > > objective astrological ground. Another way is to discuss how exactly > > to practice Brahmacarya: I think what is *not* mentioned in > > scriptures (and no one here, strangely enough) is what happens with > > the blind practice of Brahmacarya, which people loosely understand > > as sexual abstinence.

You very correctly say - ojas is understood > > as "vigor, vitality and procreative power", right? Actually the West > > has a deeper and clearer understanding than you perhaps give them > > credit for, because "vigor, vitality and procreative power" are > > actually *effects* of ojas, right, not ojas itself? Because vigor > > and vitality are the *mental* qualities induced by ojas. The famous > > Sigmund Freud somehow understood the true meaning of ojas, but not > > quite, when he (in a sense) called the sexual urge the underlying > > motivator of all action. The equally famous Carl Jung grasped it a > > little clearer when he realized that the "sexual" urge in essence > > was not just sexual, it was actually primal creative *psychic* > > energy (not *physical* energy), which he termed libido.> > > > So, in my understanding when

we talk about Brahmacarya, we are > > actually talking about controlling/channeling the libido. In my > > personal experience, it is wrong to blindly suppress the *sexual* > > manifestation of libido. All it does, after a while, is to create > > depression (and in my case, incessant dreams of death). Libido can > > never and should never be suppressed, it must be a given a path to > > flow. So for ordinary aspirants like myself, first the right > > practices must be developed, i.e. you must find a higher outlet for > > the libido. Simply crushing the sexual outlet leads to mental > > problems, IMHO. A lot of people who are heavily into their careers > > also have very low sexual libidos - does that mean that they are > > Brahmacharis in the sense used in the scriptures? Not at all, they > > have simply found another perhaps

slightly higher outlet for libido, > > perhaps at one chakra higher than the average. Also, there is now > > significant enough information about men who have been castrated. If > > you check the information on the web, while castration definitely is > > very effective in crushing sexual libido, it does not lead to > > spirituality (as you might expect if you read scriptures literally), > > more often it leads to depression (as I also experienced by > > voluntary self-restraint). > > > > So in my personal experience, in *today's world* you must interpret > > Brahmacarya as the proper channeling of libido. It is an > > *attainment* in itself, not merely a tool to attain something else! > > If you blindly suppress sexual libido, it will quickly manifest > > elsewhere e.g. one's career could get a boost, or one could

develop > > an uncontrollable urge to eat spicy food, or even to drink alcohol, > > or one could find more (mental) energy to pursue their(very > > materialistic) obsession to be "the best" astrologer. Controlling > > libido is like slowly squeezing an inflated balloon - push it in in > > one place, and it pops out of another. If you push it in everywhere, > > you get depressed (balloon explodes). It does not automatically pop > > out "in the right place" i.e. the one little point sized hole that > > leads to God. That point must be be cultivated before all > > this "pushing" is done.. > > > > My suspicion is that the people who talk highly of Brahmacarya are > > either the very fortunate ones who have been blessed with a powerful > > conception of God from early on, or the confused ones who are > >

obsessively pursuing something else perhaps less materialistic by > > suppressing sexuality, or those who simply cite scriptures without > > following the path.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Sundeep> > > > > > > > > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states > > that sexual> > > > > > > urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not> > > surprising as> > > > > > > sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid > > fluctuation> > > in the> > > > > > > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first > > place). This> > > > > > > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the> > > predominance of> > > > > > > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon

and Venus.> > > These two> > > > > > > planets are also responsible for the producing of the ojas > > (the> > > > > > > finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain> > > function> > > > > > > properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and> > > procreative> > > > > > > power). In general, this means that women can produce more > > ojas> > > > > than man.> > > > > > > How is this related to poojas and spirituality?> > > > > > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed > > into> > > ojas in> > > > > > > the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim > > has> > > lifting> > > > > >

> of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and its> > > storing in> > > > > > > the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, smarter> > > and more> > > > > > > spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be done > > ONLY by> > > > > > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has > > always been> > > > > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without> > > chastity. It> > > > > > > is clear why it is even more important for women to be > > chaste and> > > > > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her> > > body-gross and> > > > > > > causal.> > > > > > > Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental

> > disorder as> > > > > > > ojas and prana directly influence the work of the brain> > > centres. Thus> > > > > > > it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja > > in> > > > > > > question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly> > > cycle is> > > > > > > based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the> > > sexual urge.> > > > > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the > > period> > > of poojas> > > > > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually> > > required in> > > > > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. > > > > > > > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous

and> > > different, but> > > > > > > all of them must find their path through the Sushumna. The > > one who> > > > > > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women simply> > > lacks ojas> > > > > > > in his/her brain.> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Tijana Damjanovic> > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Ana, odakle si?> > > >> > >> >>