Importance of astrology (Importance of Brahmacharya)

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Tijana and Sundeep, namaste

 

I can not resist but to include in this excellent thread that you

are both making. Though these thoughts are more for you Sundeep, I

would also like to read Tijana's comment on it.

 

Dharma... 9th bhava. Let's count a little bit. Fruit of Dharma- 11th

bhava there from is 7th. Marriage (which is reason why we observe

marriage from Navamsa not Saptamsa). Fruit of marriage is 11th there

from, we get 5th bhava-children (and, again, there is reason why we

observe children from Saptamsa chart).

 

How do we get to children issue?

 

Dharma... let's come back to marriage for a moment. You were

mentioning 7th bhava in context of partnership generally not just

marriage. OK. Afterall, A7 is something completely different from

UL, considering bhavas we are using as a starting point in

calculating these arudhas. Yet... marriage is still UL. But marriage

is also 7th bhava in Navamsa. (Or at least by definition " Minimum

one whole year of unification between two people who accomplish

purity in thoughts towards each other " (sounds a little bit

defeating for us human beings in Kali Yuga... and

adding " intention to continue family lineage by progeny " .)

 

Bhagavan Sri Rama did try to establish " One Man-One Woman " concept

of Dharma for marriage (for one whole life). Of course, probably

there are other definitions. I can not skip highest of all eight

types of Vivaha- pure Brahmanic arranged marriage signified by Guru,

karaka for children. Combination of tasks mentioned in this

paragraph are suppose to be fulfilled in one life time and that

means simultaneously... which sounds pretty much… unreachable for

most of today's human beings, but... They can happen sometimes I

suppose

 

I believe that now it is perfectly OK to use 7th bhava in Navamsa as

marriage by definitions that I was mentioning.

 

Dharmical 9th bhava there from is 3rd. All people must come to

that " progeny part " somehow, would you agree?

 

That is I suppose reason to observe 3rd bhava as 9th from 7th and

all in context of Dharma. It is " duty " of unification with partner.

Of course, in this principle there is no direct definition for

frequency per month or year

 

Those were all thoughts referring to " most ideal Dharmic case " . What

partnership is today... well I can bet that each and every Jyotisha

gets a headache when trying to determine correct number of Upa Padas

for his/her client by the time when they met on the reading

session

 

How about one more meaning of 3rd bhava: Upachaya. Think about it...

 

Regards to you both,

Maya

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

<vedicastrostudent wrote:

>

> Dear Tijanaji,

> Thank you for your reply. Your replies always have a lot of

> information and I am grateful for that.

>

> That said, I have still not converged at a clear understanding

and

> perhaps need more clarity from you. First, I am unclear about the

> astrological proof you have given to support the statement that

> illegitimate sex is adharmik. Nice point on your part that 3rd is

> 9th from the 7th. But perhaps I misunderstand 9th from a house. As

I

> understand it, 9th from a house defines " the right way " for it.

And

> by looking at the house, and what makes it strong, you understand

> what exactly is the " right way " . So when we talk about the first

> house, the 9th from it defines the " right way " for Lagna, which

is,

> to have a strong Guru etc. But that doesnt automatically mean that

a

> strong Guru is required for *any* 1-9 relationship (e.g. 2nd house

> and 10th house also form a 1-9 relationship, as do 7th house and

3rd

> house). So, when we look at 9th from the 7th i.e. the 3rd defines

> the " right way " for relationships (not just marriage). And

> that " right way " is by making the 3rd house strong, i.e. desires

> strong. This (desires) is not a 9th house attribute at all, but a

> conclusion of 9th-ness from 7th. Net result - we're still at the

> same place in terms of astrological proof - this particular

argument

> does not support the fact that sex outside marriage is any worse

> than sex inside marriage. And it still doesnt state that sex

inside

> marriage is dharmik. Next, that Rahu is exalted in the natural

3rd.

> Again, that only states " Rahu, master of rebirth, is exalted in

the

> natural 3rd, house of desires " . Which is true, of course, rajasik

> desires will cause rebirth for sure. And this adds color to the

> previous argument - while the previous argument said " strong

desires

> support relationships " , this adds " and cause rebirth, too " .

>

>

> Separately, when you say Ketu destroys passions, I have a small

> doubt there. Does it really destroy, or does it push it inward

> toward " deeper things " . Because if Saturn, Venus and Ketu together

> form Tapaswi yoga then Ketu cannot really be destroying Venus. It

> seems to me that Venus provides the ojas (libido, as I understand

> it), Saturn " collects " it (or constricts, focusses, whichever verb

> you prefer) and Ketu drives it inward. Otherwise how would

anything

> be achieved at all in Tapaswi yoga? This also makes me think -

what

> kind of a yoga is Saturn, Rahu and Venus?

>

> Regards,

>

> Sundeep

sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic "

> <tijanadamjanovic@> wrote:

> >

> > om krishna guru

> >

> > Dear Sundeep,

> > I thought I gave priority to chastity…at least that was my

intent.

> > Chastity is the purity in thoughts, words and deeds. Understood

as

> an

> > abstinence from sex only, bramacarya doesn`t have to equal

> chastity.

> > Bramacarya puts sexual abstinence in its focus with a higher and

> very

> > clear objective of spiritual elevation. In any other case, long

> > abstinence from sex harms human physical and mental condition.

> Sexual

> > activity is governed by Venus, who not only controls ojas and

jala

> > tatva but is the one with the rejuvenation power as it holds

> > Sanjeevani mantra. Watter has great revitalizing and soothing

power

> > and influence to our system. Sexual activity ensures the flow of

> the

> > liquids through the whole body and supplies it with the hormones

> that

> > makes us happy and healthy. But. Not every sexual activity.

> > Being 3rd house, sex is the 9th (dharma) from the 7th

(marriage).

> This

> > also means that sex outside the marriage is not dharma.

> > In his article on sexuality, Sri Sai Baba gives the astonishing

> > statement from Puranas-nadis remain under the influence of the

> > partner`s energy for 12 years after the sexual act. Sex is

> extremely

> > powerful releasing and exchanging of energy that has deep karmic

> > consequences, and it is questionable weather we can release

> ourselves

> > from this energetic influence in case of numerous partners. This

is

> > surely related to Rahu, the cause of re-birth, that gets exalted

in

> > the sign of Mittuna. According to Sai Baba, Svadisthana hakra in

> the

> > case of an adultery or illegitimate sex radiates dark, greenish-

> brown

> > color and in long terms this must be the cause of the Venerian

> > diseases. Illegitimate sex bring disorder to mind (moon) as it

is

> not

> > supported by proper emotions (either between the partners or by

the

> > society) and it causes a serious negative impact on indriyas.

> > As for the Mars…He represents the energy and the will-power that

is

> > extremely important for bramacarya. But Puranas explain the

nature

> of

> > his bramacarya. He approaches it out of great anger and

obstinacy.

> We

> > shouldn`t forget that branacarya ends after the period of

learning,

> > sadhana and similar, or it should grow into the Sanyasa that is

of

> > course much higher as it represents the controlling and

withdrawal

> of

> > all senses. To keep Mars from extremities and to give the

meaning

> to

> > his bramacarya, the help of Guru is needed. Also, the only

planet

> that

> > can completely remove or destroy passion and desire is Ketu.

> > Hope this helps.

> > Regards,

> > Tijana Damjanovic

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tijanaji,

> > > I am actually replying to the following part of your writeup

> (at

> > > the end of this post), which I found extremely interesting.

One

> > > opinion I have is that while the scriptures certainly have the

> > > perfect and distilled truth in them, interpreting them

correctly

> > > *within the context of the current age* is no small feat/ not

an

> > > easy task at all.

> > >

> > > I understand that Brahmacharya is important, but can you

> > > word " Brahmacharya is important " in astrological terms, so we

> can

> > > have a common ground to talk on? i.e does " Brahmacarya is

> important "

> > > translate to, for example, Venus being in Pisces with Jupiter?

> i.e.

> > > powerful in a pure sign and with Guru? This may not be the

only

> > > combination (or even the right combination), I'm simply

looking

> for

> > > one that reflects the *essence* of Brahmacarya. I have heard

> that

> > > Mars is a Brahmachari, but then Venus is ojas, right, so I'm a

> bit

> > > confused as to how Mars shows this essence..

> > >

> > > The above is one way to start a discussion i.e. on common and

> > > objective astrological ground. Another way is to discuss how

> exactly

> > > to practice Brahmacarya: I think what is *not* mentioned in

> > > scriptures (and no one here, strangely enough) is what happens

> with

> > > the blind practice of Brahmacarya, which people loosely

> understand

> > > as sexual abstinence. You very correctly say - ojas is

> understood

> > > as " vigor, vitality and procreative power " , right? Actually

the

> West

> > > has a deeper and clearer understanding than you perhaps give

> them

> > > credit for, because " vigor, vitality and procreative power "

are

> > > actually *effects* of ojas, right, not ojas itself? Because

> vigor

> > > and vitality are the *mental* qualities induced by ojas. The

> famous

> > > Sigmund Freud somehow understood the true meaning of ojas, but

> not

> > > quite, when he (in a sense) called the sexual urge the

> underlying

> > > motivator of all action. The equally famous Carl Jung grasped

it

> a

> > > little clearer when he realized that the " sexual " urge in

> essence

> > > was not just sexual, it was actually primal creative *psychic*

> > > energy (not *physical* energy), which he termed libido.

> > >

> > > So, in my understanding when we talk about Brahmacarya, we are

> > > actually talking about controlling/channeling the libido. In

my

> > > personal experience, it is wrong to blindly suppress the

> *sexual*

> > > manifestation of libido. All it does, after a while, is to

> create

> > > depression (and in my case, incessant dreams of death). Libido

> can

> > > never and should never be suppressed, it must be a given a

path

> to

> > > flow. So for ordinary aspirants like myself, first the right

> > > practices must be developed, i.e. you must find a higher

outlet

> for

> > > the libido. Simply crushing the sexual outlet leads to mental

> > > problems, IMHO. A lot of people who are heavily into their

> careers

> > > also have very low sexual libidos - does that mean that they

are

> > > Brahmacharis in the sense used in the scriptures? Not at all,

> they

> > > have simply found another perhaps slightly higher outlet for

> libido,

> > > perhaps at one chakra higher than the average. Also, there is

> now

> > > significant enough information about men who have been

> castrated. If

> > > you check the information on the web, while castration

> definitely is

> > > very effective in crushing sexual libido, it does not lead to

> > > spirituality (as you might expect if you read scriptures

> literally),

> > > more often it leads to depression (as I also experienced by

> > > voluntary self-restraint).

> > >

> > > So in my personal experience, in *today's world* you must

> interpret

> > > Brahmacarya as the proper channeling of libido. It is an

> > > *attainment* in itself, not merely a tool to attain something

> else!

> > > If you blindly suppress sexual libido, it will quickly

manifest

> > > elsewhere e.g. one's career could get a boost, or one could

> develop

> > > an uncontrollable urge to eat spicy food, or even to drink

> alcohol,

> > > or one could find more (mental) energy to pursue their(very

> > > materialistic) obsession to be " the best " astrologer.

> Controlling

> > > libido is like slowly squeezing an inflated balloon - push it

in

> in

> > > one place, and it pops out of another. If you push it in

> everywhere,

> > > you get depressed (balloon explodes). It does not

automatically

> pop

> > > out " in the right place " i.e. the one little point sized hole

> that

> > > leads to God. That point must be be cultivated before all

> > > this " pushing " is done..

> > >

> > > My suspicion is that the people who talk highly of Brahmacarya

> are

> > > either the very fortunate ones who have been blessed with a

> powerful

> > > conception of God from early on, or the confused ones who are

> > > obsessively pursuing something else perhaps less materialistic

> by

> > > suppressing sexuality, or those who simply cite scriptures

> without

> > > following the path.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > > > > > > > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas)

states

> > > that sexual

> > > > > > > > urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is

not

> > > > surprising as

> > > > > > > > sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid

> > > fluctuation

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first

> > > place). This

> > > > > > > > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the

> > > > predominance of

> > > > > > > > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and

> Venus.

> > > > These two

> > > > > > > > planets are also responsible for the producing of

the

> ojas

> > > (the

> > > > > > > > finniest energetic product of our body that makes

the

> brain

> > > > function

> > > > > > > > properly, it is often understood as a vigor,

vitality

> and

> > > > procreative

> > > > > > > > power). In general, this means that women can

produce

> more

> > > ojas

> > > > > > than man.

> > > > > > > > How is this related to poojas and spirituality?

> > > > > > > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being

> transformed

> > > into

> > > > ojas in

> > > > > > > > the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of

its

> aim

> > > has

> > > > lifting

> > > > > > > > of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra

and

> its

> > > > storing in

> > > > > > > > the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier,

> smarter

> > > > and more

> > > > > > > > spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can

be

> done

> > > ONLY by

> > > > > > > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has

> > > always been

> > > > > > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen

> without

> > > > chastity. It

> > > > > > > > is clear why it is even more important for women to

be

> > > chaste and

> > > > > > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in

her

> > > > body-gross and

> > > > > > > > causal.

> > > > > > > > Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a

mental

> > > disorder as

> > > > > > > > ojas and prana directly influence the work of the

brain

> > > > centres. Thus

> > > > > > > > it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or

> pooja

> > > in

> > > > > > > > question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the

> monthly

> > > > cycle is

> > > > > > > > based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva

and

> the

> > > > sexual urge.

> > > > > > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for

the

> > > period

> > > > of poojas

> > > > > > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is

> usually

> > > > required in

> > > > > > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual

> elevation.

> > > > > > > > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous and

> > > > different, but

> > > > > > > > all of them must find their path through the

Sushumna.

> The

> > > one who

> > > > > > > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women

> simply

> > > > lacks ojas

> > > > > > > > in his/her brain.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Tijana Damjanovic

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.S. Ana, odakle si?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>