Importance of astrology (Importance of Brahmacharya)

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Tijana,

 

I gave you a headache with one word form my email? You gave me a

headache with 98% of your reply

 

This dialogue will have some serious hiccups. I don't think that I

can add you anything on akshara or Hrim beeja falling in trika

bhava... Hrim is Beeja for Mahalakshmi, but I can not move anywhere

from here. Help me with my headache somehow, please?

 

This is definitely not the first time that when we both hear or

read " 3rd bhava " your first thought is trika and my first thought is

upachaya. I was not aiming so much on astrological points; it was

more about everyday life. Two people who lived their separate lives

for at least two decades have to fit in somehow when they start to

live together. It takes lot of understanding, compromises,

tolerance, developing... hard work in two simple words. Hard work is

upachaya. Without this no marriage on Earth can ever last.

 

(Or I sound as typical owner of a chart such as mine is

 

" Graamya Dharma " ? (Yes, another headache

 

Sukra moltrikona in Tula, and Sukra as karaka for 7th bhava. Well...

I just wonder why is it preferable to have A7 in kendra/kona

relation to UL... Not in Dustahn for sure. I believe it is duty

(mooltrikona) of Sukra to bring attraction between partners and to

maintain desire between married ones. I strongly believe that no

marriage on Earth can ever last without this also. (Other's are

allowed not to share my opinion)

 

Now something else crosses my mind and it is very far from subject:

Sukra is desire, Chandra is love I believe? OK. So Sukra would be

just falling in love, ecstatic emotion on the very beginning... And

Chandra would be deep love... Then why is Chandra exalted in Sukra

Rasi? I don't think that native with Chandra in 7th bhava in Rasi

chart should be described as " deep love to partners " , or at least

those examples I had the chance to meet were not really fitting to

such description

 

About Sukra being exalted Meena Rasi and Ketu's mooltrikona Rasi,

well there I have many thoughts. Sukra is there as Graha for desire,

but Sukra is also there to make us realize that the more desires we

have, the more desires can remain unfulfilled. Sukra is happy

(exalted) when it is free from desires (Ketu's duty, mooltrikona).

Sukra is not happy in Kanya, it is for sure. Being free from desires

makes us free from cycle of rebirth (Moksha/Ketu). Also these two

Grahas and their position in Meena Rasi suggest a nice way

to " divert " Ojas through Kundaliny (but doing this on a healthy

way... not to many people is able to this safely). Yet there is

progeny part also considering Ketu as Kula devata and Sukra as seed.

Have I understood what you were aiming at correctly?

 

Regards,

Maja

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

 

sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic "

<tijanadamjanovic wrote:

>

> om krishna guru

>

> Dear Maja,

> You gave me a headache with that Upachaya. I have't come up with

> anything new. What was in your mind?

> Heres what I've got. I prefer to think of the 3rd house as of a

trika

> house (in natural zodiac Rahu feels very good in the signs that

falls

> in these houses). Now, if we count from the first trika house to

the

> second we are getting 4, from the second to third there are 6

places

> and from the third one to the first there are 5 places. 4+6+5=15

> This sequence associates me only with the TRipura mantra. It is

> composed out of three groups of letters with the same sequence. If

we

> arrange the letters starting with Sa, Ka, La, Hrim in the third

house

> and proceed with the other two groups from the second and third

trika

> respectively, we are getting HRIM bija falling exactly in the trika

> houses. What do you say?

>

> How do you see Venus' moolatrikona and graamya dharma? Why is Venus

> exalted in the sign of Ketu's moolatrikona?

>

> Regards,

> Tijana DAmjanovic

>

> sohamsa , " Maja Strbac " <majastrbacastro@>

wrote:

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Dear Tijana and Sundeep, namaste

> >

> > I can not resist but to include in this excellent thread that

you

> > are both making. Though these thoughts are more for you Sundeep,

I

> > would also like to read Tijana's comment on it.

> >

> > Dharma... 9th bhava. Let's count a little bit. Fruit of Dharma-

11th

> > bhava there from is 7th. Marriage (which is reason why we

observe

> > marriage from Navamsa not Saptamsa). Fruit of marriage is 11th

there

> > from, we get 5th bhava-children (and, again, there is reason why

we

> > observe children from Saptamsa chart).

> >

> > How do we get to children issue?

> >

> > Dharma... let's come back to marriage for a moment. You were

> > mentioning 7th bhava in context of partnership generally not

just

> > marriage. OK. Afterall, A7 is something completely different

from

> > UL, considering bhavas we are using as a starting point in

> > calculating these arudhas. Yet... marriage is still UL. But

marriage

> > is also 7th bhava in Navamsa. (Or at least by

definition " Minimum

> > one whole year of unification between two people who accomplish

> > purity in thoughts towards each other " (sounds a little bit

> > defeating for us human beings in Kali Yuga... and

> > adding " intention to continue family lineage by progeny " .)

> >

> > Bhagavan Sri Rama did try to establish " One Man-One Woman "

concept

> > of Dharma for marriage (for one whole life). Of course, probably

> > there are other definitions. I can not skip highest of all eight

> > types of Vivaha- pure Brahmanic arranged marriage signified by

Guru,

> > karaka for children. Combination of tasks mentioned in this

> > paragraph are suppose to be fulfilled in one life time and that

> > means simultaneously... which sounds pretty much… unreachable

for

> > most of today's human beings, but... They can happen sometimes I

> > suppose

> >

> > I believe that now it is perfectly OK to use 7th bhava in

Navamsa as

> > marriage by definitions that I was mentioning.

> >

> > Dharmical 9th bhava there from is 3rd. All people must come to

> > that " progeny part " somehow, would you agree?

> >

> > That is I suppose reason to observe 3rd bhava as 9th from 7th

and

> > all in context of Dharma. It is " duty " of unification with

partner.

> > Of course, in this principle there is no direct definition for

> > frequency per month or year

> >

> > Those were all thoughts referring to " most ideal Dharmic case " .

What

> > partnership is today... well I can bet that each and every

Jyotisha

> > gets a headache when trying to determine correct number of Upa

Padas

> > for his/her client by the time when they met on the reading

> > session

> >

> > How about one more meaning of 3rd bhava: Upachaya. Think about

it...

> >

> > Regards to you both,

> > Maya

> >

> > Hari Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tijanaji,

> > > Thank you for your reply. Your replies always have a lot of

> > > information and I am grateful for that.

> > >

> > > That said, I have still not converged at a clear

understanding

> > and

> > > perhaps need more clarity from you. First, I am unclear about

the

> > > astrological proof you have given to support the statement

that

> > > illegitimate sex is adharmik. Nice point on your part that 3rd

is

> > > 9th from the 7th. But perhaps I misunderstand 9th from a

house. As

> > I

> > > understand it, 9th from a house defines " the right way " for

it.

> > And

> > > by looking at the house, and what makes it strong, you

understand

> > > what exactly is the " right way " . So when we talk about the

first

> > > house, the 9th from it defines the " right way " for Lagna,

which

> > is,

> > > to have a strong Guru etc. But that doesnt automatically mean

that

> > a

> > > strong Guru is required for *any* 1-9 relationship (e.g. 2nd

house

> > > and 10th house also form a 1-9 relationship, as do 7th house

and

> > 3rd

> > > house). So, when we look at 9th from the 7th i.e. the 3rd

defines

> > > the " right way " for relationships (not just marriage). And

> > > that " right way " is by making the 3rd house strong, i.e.

desires

> > > strong. This (desires) is not a 9th house attribute at all,

but a

> > > conclusion of 9th-ness from 7th. Net result - we're still at

the

> > > same place in terms of astrological proof - this particular

> > argument

> > > does not support the fact that sex outside marriage is any

worse

> > > than sex inside marriage. And it still doesnt state that sex

> > inside

> > > marriage is dharmik. Next, that Rahu is exalted in the natural

> > 3rd.

> > > Again, that only states " Rahu, master of rebirth, is exalted

in

> > the

> > > natural 3rd, house of desires " . Which is true, of course,

rajasik

> > > desires will cause rebirth for sure. And this adds color to

the

> > > previous argument - while the previous argument said " strong

> > desires

> > > support relationships " , this adds " and cause rebirth, too " .

> > >

> > >

> > > Separately, when you say Ketu destroys passions, I have a

small

> > > doubt there. Does it really destroy, or does it push it inward

> > > toward " deeper things " . Because if Saturn, Venus and Ketu

together

> > > form Tapaswi yoga then Ketu cannot really be destroying Venus.

It

> > > seems to me that Venus provides the ojas (libido, as I

understand

> > > it), Saturn " collects " it (or constricts, focusses, whichever

verb

> > > you prefer) and Ketu drives it inward. Otherwise how would

> > anything

> > > be achieved at all in Tapaswi yoga? This also makes me think -

> > what

> > > kind of a yoga is Saturn, Rahu and Venus?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Sundeep

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Tijana Damjanovic "

> > > <tijanadamjanovic@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > om krishna guru

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sundeep,

> > > > I thought I gave priority to chastity…at least that was my

> > intent.

> > > > Chastity is the purity in thoughts, words and deeds.

Understood

> > as

> > > an

> > > > abstinence from sex only, bramacarya doesn`t have to equal

> > > chastity.

> > > > Bramacarya puts sexual abstinence in its focus with a higher

and

> > > very

> > > > clear objective of spiritual elevation. In any other case,

long

> > > > abstinence from sex harms human physical and mental

condition.

> > > Sexual

> > > > activity is governed by Venus, who not only controls ojas

and

> > jala

> > > > tatva but is the one with the rejuvenation power as it holds

> > > > Sanjeevani mantra. Watter has great revitalizing and

soothing

> > power

> > > > and influence to our system. Sexual activity ensures the

flow of

> > > the

> > > > liquids through the whole body and supplies it with the

hormones

> > > that

> > > > makes us happy and healthy. But. Not every sexual activity.

> > > > Being 3rd house, sex is the 9th (dharma) from the 7th

> > (marriage).

> > > This

> > > > also means that sex outside the marriage is not dharma.

> > > > In his article on sexuality, Sri Sai Baba gives the

astonishing

> > > > statement from Puranas-nadis remain under the influence of

the

> > > > partner`s energy for 12 years after the sexual act. Sex is

> > > extremely

> > > > powerful releasing and exchanging of energy that has deep

karmic

> > > > consequences, and it is questionable weather we can release

> > > ourselves

> > > > from this energetic influence in case of numerous partners.

This

> > is

> > > > surely related to Rahu, the cause of re-birth, that gets

exalted

> > in

> > > > the sign of Mittuna. According to Sai Baba, Svadisthana

hakra in

> > > the

> > > > case of an adultery or illegitimate sex radiates dark,

greenish-

> > > brown

> > > > color and in long terms this must be the cause of the

Venerian

> > > > diseases. Illegitimate sex bring disorder to mind (moon) as

it

> > is

> > > not

> > > > supported by proper emotions (either between the partners or

by

> > the

> > > > society) and it causes a serious negative impact on indriyas.

> > > > As for the Mars…He represents the energy and the will-power

that

> > is

> > > > extremely important for bramacarya. But Puranas explain the

> > nature

> > > of

> > > > his bramacarya. He approaches it out of great anger and

> > obstinacy.

> > > We

> > > > shouldn`t forget that branacarya ends after the period of

> > learning,

> > > > sadhana and similar, or it should grow into the Sanyasa that

is

> > of

> > > > course much higher as it represents the controlling and

> > withdrawal

> > > of

> > > > all senses. To keep Mars from extremities and to give the

> > meaning

> > > to

> > > > his bramacarya, the help of Guru is needed. Also, the only

> > planet

> > > that

> > > > can completely remove or destroy passion and desire is Ketu.

> > > > Hope this helps.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Tijana Damjanovic

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , " vedicastrostudent "

> > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Tijanaji,

> > > > > I am actually replying to the following part of your

writeup

> > > (at

> > > > > the end of this post), which I found extremely

interesting.

> > One

> > > > > opinion I have is that while the scriptures certainly have

the

> > > > > perfect and distilled truth in them, interpreting them

> > correctly

> > > > > *within the context of the current age* is no small feat/

not

> > an

> > > > > easy task at all.

> > > > >

> > > > > I understand that Brahmacharya is important, but can you

> > > > > word " Brahmacharya is important " in astrological terms, so

we

> > > can

> > > > > have a common ground to talk on? i.e does " Brahmacarya is

> > > important "

> > > > > translate to, for example, Venus being in Pisces with

Jupiter?

> > > i.e.

> > > > > powerful in a pure sign and with Guru? This may not be the

> > only

> > > > > combination (or even the right combination), I'm simply

> > looking

> > > for

> > > > > one that reflects the *essence* of Brahmacarya. I have

heard

> > > that

> > > > > Mars is a Brahmachari, but then Venus is ojas, right, so

I'm a

> > > bit

> > > > > confused as to how Mars shows this essence..

> > > > >

> > > > > The above is one way to start a discussion i.e. on common

and

> > > > > objective astrological ground. Another way is to discuss

how

> > > exactly

> > > > > to practice Brahmacarya: I think what is *not* mentioned

in

> > > > > scriptures (and no one here, strangely enough) is what

happens

> > > with

> > > > > the blind practice of Brahmacarya, which people loosely

> > > understand

> > > > > as sexual abstinence. You very correctly say - ojas is

> > > understood

> > > > > as " vigor, vitality and procreative power " , right?

Actually

> > the

> > > West

> > > > > has a deeper and clearer understanding than you perhaps

give

> > > them

> > > > > credit for, because " vigor, vitality and procreative

power "

> > are

> > > > > actually *effects* of ojas, right, not ojas itself?

Because

> > > vigor

> > > > > and vitality are the *mental* qualities induced by ojas.

The

> > > famous

> > > > > Sigmund Freud somehow understood the true meaning of ojas,

but

> > > not

> > > > > quite, when he (in a sense) called the sexual urge the

> > > underlying

> > > > > motivator of all action. The equally famous Carl Jung

grasped

> > it

> > > a

> > > > > little clearer when he realized that the " sexual " urge in

> > > essence

> > > > > was not just sexual, it was actually primal creative

*psychic*

> > > > > energy (not *physical* energy), which he termed libido.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my understanding when we talk about Brahmacarya, we

are

> > > > > actually talking about controlling/channeling the libido.

In

> > my

> > > > > personal experience, it is wrong to blindly suppress the

> > > *sexual*

> > > > > manifestation of libido. All it does, after a while, is to

> > > create

> > > > > depression (and in my case, incessant dreams of death).

Libido

> > > can

> > > > > never and should never be suppressed, it must be a given a

> > path

> > > to

> > > > > flow. So for ordinary aspirants like myself, first the

right

> > > > > practices must be developed, i.e. you must find a higher

> > outlet

> > > for

> > > > > the libido. Simply crushing the sexual outlet leads to

mental

> > > > > problems, IMHO. A lot of people who are heavily into their

> > > careers

> > > > > also have very low sexual libidos - does that mean that

they

> > are

> > > > > Brahmacharis in the sense used in the scriptures? Not at

all,

> > > they

> > > > > have simply found another perhaps slightly higher outlet

for

> > > libido,

> > > > > perhaps at one chakra higher than the average. Also, there

is

> > > now

> > > > > significant enough information about men who have been

> > > castrated. If

> > > > > you check the information on the web, while castration

> > > definitely is

> > > > > very effective in crushing sexual libido, it does not lead

to

> > > > > spirituality (as you might expect if you read scriptures

> > > literally),

> > > > > more often it leads to depression (as I also experienced

by

> > > > > voluntary self-restraint).

> > > > >

> > > > > So in my personal experience, in *today's world* you must

> > > interpret

> > > > > Brahmacarya as the proper channeling of libido. It is an

> > > > > *attainment* in itself, not merely a tool to attain

something

> > > else!

> > > > > If you blindly suppress sexual libido, it will quickly

> > manifest

> > > > > elsewhere e.g. one's career could get a boost, or one

could

> > > develop

> > > > > an uncontrollable urge to eat spicy food, or even to drink

> > > alcohol,

> > > > > or one could find more (mental) energy to pursue their

(very

> > > > > materialistic) obsession to be " the best " astrologer.

> > > Controlling

> > > > > libido is like slowly squeezing an inflated balloon - push

it

> > in

> > > in

> > > > > one place, and it pops out of another. If you push it in

> > > everywhere,

> > > > > you get depressed (balloon explodes). It does not

> > automatically

> > > pop

> > > > > out " in the right place " i.e. the one little point sized

hole

> > > that

> > > > > leads to God. That point must be be cultivated before all

> > > > > this " pushing " is done..

> > > > >

> > > > > My suspicion is that the people who talk highly of

Brahmacarya

> > > are

> > > > > either the very fortunate ones who have been blessed with

a

> > > powerful

> > > > > conception of God from early on, or the confused ones who

are

> > > > > obsessively pursuing something else perhaps less

materialistic

> > > by

> > > > > suppressing sexuality, or those who simply cite scriptures

> > > without

> > > > > following the path.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sundeep

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas)

> > states

> > > > > that sexual

> > > > > > > > > > urge is much stronger in the case of women. This

is

> > not

> > > > > > surprising as

> > > > > > > > > > sexual urge is produced and governed by the

liquid

> > > > > fluctuation

> > > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the

first

> > > > > place). This

> > > > > > > > > > fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due

to the

> > > > > > predominance of

> > > > > > > > > > jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon

and

> > > Venus.

> > > > > > These two

> > > > > > > > > > planets are also responsible for the producing

of

> > the

> > > ojas

> > > > > (the

> > > > > > > > > > finniest energetic product of our body that

makes

> > the

> > > brain

> > > > > > function

> > > > > > > > > > properly, it is often understood as a vigor,

> > vitality

> > > and

> > > > > > procreative

> > > > > > > > > > power). In general, this means that women can

> > produce

> > > more

> > > > > ojas

> > > > > > > > than man.

> > > > > > > > > > How is this related to poojas and spirituality?

> > > > > > > > > > Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being

> > > transformed

> > > > > into

> > > > > > ojas in

> > > > > > > > > > the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one

of

> > its

> > > aim

> > > > > has

> > > > > > lifting

> > > > > > > > > > of the ojas from its storage in the primal

chakra

> > and

> > > its

> > > > > > storing in

> > > > > > > > > > the brain. The more ojas in the brain the

prettier,

> > > smarter

> > > > > > and more

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas

can

> > be

> > > done

> > > > > ONLY by

> > > > > > > > > > chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya

has

> > > > > always been

> > > > > > > > > > considered the highest virtue. No YOga can

happen

> > > without

> > > > > > chastity. It

> > > > > > > > > > is clear why it is even more important for women

to

> > be

> > > > > chaste and

> > > > > > > > > > pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus

in

> > her

> > > > > > body-gross and

> > > > > > > > > > causal.

> > > > > > > > > > Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a

> > mental

> > > > > disorder as

> > > > > > > > > > ojas and prana directly influence the work of

the

> > brain

> > > > > > centres. Thus

> > > > > > > > > > it is crucial how demanding and serious the

homam or

> > > pooja

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > question, or any other, is. Prohibition during

the

> > > monthly

> > > > > > cycle is

> > > > > > > > > > based upon this also-increasing of the jala

tatva

> > and

> > > the

> > > > > > sexual urge.

> > > > > > > > > > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked

for

> > the

> > > > > period

> > > > > > of poojas

> > > > > > > > > > to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that

is

> > > usually

> > > > > > required in

> > > > > > > > > > the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual

> > > elevation.

> > > > > > > > > > The approaches to the final truth may be

numerous and

> > > > > > different, but

> > > > > > > > > > all of them must find their path through the

> > Sushumna.

> > > The

> > > > > one who

> > > > > > > > > > claims that this path is hidden or blocked to

women

> > > simply

> > > > > > lacks ojas

> > > > > > > > > > in his/her brain.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Tijana Damjanovic

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P.S. Ana, odakle si?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>