Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narasimha. Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically?. 1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness". 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many charts? Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal. thank-you Lakshmi"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:  Namaste, There are really two different things here. Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some punya). The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives). * * * One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation? Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it. All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only. Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha". However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible. Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it. Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nations and planets. A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature. If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again. Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions. * * * Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that. Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - rajarshi nandy Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi? Dear Narasimhaji I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious.. Thanks in advance. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?vedic astrology , , sohamsa , sivacharya Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM Dear Prasad, I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself. There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa. If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam. Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama. Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa. Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Dear Respected Members,> > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.> > > Thanks & Regards, > Prasad A. Pole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Dear Lakshmi, I do not know of a reliable way to find either from horoscope. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - Lakshmi Kary Cc: sohamsa Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:49 PM Re: Rishis Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narasimha. Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically?. 1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness". 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many charts? Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal. thank-you Lakshmi"Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:  Namaste, There are really two different things here. Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some punya). The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives). * * * One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation? Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it. All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only. Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha". However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible. Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it. Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nations and planets. A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature. If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again. Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions. * * * Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that. Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - rajarshi nandy Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi? Dear Narasimhaji I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious.. Thanks in advance. -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?vedic astrology , , sohamsa , sivacharya Date: Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM Dear Prasad, I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself. There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa. If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam. Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama. Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa. Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Dear Respected Members,> > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.> > > Thanks & Regards, > Prasad A. Pole || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Narasimha, I hope you would not mind my stepping in. Rishi consciousness can be seen from the following. These are not all combinations but can give some hint 1. Atmakaraka rules 12th from Karakamsha and is unconjoined/unaspected 2. Ak is in 5th house in Navamsa 3. 9th lord is well placed in Abijit rashi 4. Mahayogadas can give such level of experiences, check the Thakur's chart. As far as Gotra is concerned, you can try the following. Arudha of the 2nd house in Rashi or Vimsamsa (mostly gotra is related to Rishis)In Guruji's chart A2 is kumbha with Chandra-Atri Gotra, while in D-20, Budha sits in A2- also Atri/ Jagannath as ishta devata and grama devata). Hope this helps Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic Teacher at Siva Brihaspati Devaguru www.siva-edu.110mb.com personal blog www.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com > Dear Lakshmi, > > I do not know of a reliable way to find either from horoscope. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Fresee Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > Lakshmi Kary > > Cc: sohamsa > Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:49 PM > Re: Rishis > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Narasimha. > Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically?. > 1) " Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness " . > > 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many charts? > Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal. > thank-you > Lakshmi > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: >  > Namaste, > > There are really two different things here. > > Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some punya). > > The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives). > > * * * > > One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation? > > Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it. > > All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as " unmanifested Brahman " . The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known as " manifested Brahman " . Both are Brahman only. > > Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of " nirvikalpa samadhi " and what happens in " moksha " . > > However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible. > > Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it. > > Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nations and planets. > > A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature. > > If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again. > > Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions. > > * * * > > Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that. > > Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------------ --- > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------ --- > > - > rajarshi nandy > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM > Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi? > > Dear Narasimhaji > > I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious.. > > Thanks in advance. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > " This above all: to thine own self be true! " - Hamlet > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi? > vedic astrology , vedic- wisdom , sohamsa , sivacharya > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM > > > Dear Prasad, > > I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself. > > There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ( " prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .. " ), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa. > > If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam. > > Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama. > > Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa. > > Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Dear Respected Members, > > > > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Prasad A. Pole > > > > > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Zoran, Good to hear from you.! If you have any other charts to reflect these things, please pass them on ! also This would be an interesting study to look at a string of people in a lineage. on another note. I heard that most of the people in the Jaimini class had Ketu in sign ruled by Mars? In a few places Sanjay has spoken about indications of lineages in some of his lectures. I need to consolidate all the info in my notes. thanks again. Lakshmi ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Narasimha,I hope you would not mind my stepping in. Rishi consciousness can be seen from the following. These are not all combinations but can give some hint1. Atmakaraka rules 12th from Karakamsha and is unconjoined/unaspected2. Ak is in 5th house in Navamsa3. 9th lord is well placed in Abijit rashi4. Mahayogadas can give such level of experiences, check the Thakur's chart.As far as Gotra is concerned, you can try the following. Arudha of the 2nd house in Rashi or Vimsamsa (mostly gotra is related to Rishis)In Guruji's chart A2 is kumbha with Chandra-Atri Gotra, while in D-20, Budha sits in A2- also Atri/ Jagannath as ishta devata and grama devata).Hope this helpsBest wishesZoran RadosavljevicTeacher at Siva Brihaspati Devaguruwww.siva-edu.110mb.compersonal blogwww.ahimsazr1.wordpress.com> Dear Lakshmi,> > I do not know of a reliable way to find either from horoscope.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> -------------------------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Fresee Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> ------------------------- > > - > Lakshmi Kary > > Cc: sohamsa > Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:49 PM> Re: Rishis> > > Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Narasimha.> Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically?.> 1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness".> > 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many charts?> Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal.> thank-you> Lakshmi> > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>  > Namaste,> > There are really two different things here.> > Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some punya).> > The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives).> > * * *> > One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation?> > Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it.> > All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only.> > Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".> > However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible.> > Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.> > Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nations and planets.> > A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature.> > If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again.> > Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions.> > * * *> > Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that.> > Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ----------------------------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> ---------------------------- > > - > rajarshi nandy > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM> Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?> > Dear Narasimhaji> > I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious..> > Thanks in advance.> > -Regards> Rajarshi> > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?> vedic astrology , , sohamsa , sivacharya > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM> > > Dear Prasad,> > I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.> > There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.> > If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.> > Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.> > Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa.> > Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ---------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- > > > Dear Respected Members,> > > > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Prasad A. Pole > > > > > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAMAUM GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Shri Zoran, Narasimha & Lakshmi,Namaste. May i write a few lines. When you talk about the gotras we need to bow down to the Saptarishis. We can get the direct link with the Saptarishis through the nakshatras. Identify the nakshatra in which the Moon is at the time of birth and worship that Rishi(from the seven) pertaining to the nakshatra. The order is as follows: -1.Marichi - Asvini Pushya2.Vasishta - Bharini Aslesha3.Angirasa - Krittika (please continue in this manner till you complete all the 28 nakshatras)4.Atri - Rohini5.Pulastya - Mrigasira6.Pulaha - Aridra7.Kratu - PunarvasuOver and above this we have rishis pertaining to each nakshatra - for example in the case of Swami Vivekananda the Moon is in Hasta. The gotra pertaining to this nakshatra is Pulaha. The rishi pertaining to this Nakshatra is Mandavya. Take the case of Sri Ramakrishna(Thakur) the nakshatra in which his Moon is posited is Poorvabhadrapada. This means he belongs to Pulastya Gotra. The rishi pertaining to his nakshatra is Srivatsa.There's lot to know from the nakshatras. The rishi pertaining to chitra nakshatra is Gotama. The 16th nakshatra from this nakshatra is the sanghatika which gives clue about his spouse. She is Ahalya. The 16th nakshatra from Chitra(including abhijit) is Aswini. Indra caused damage to her reputation by cheating her when he came in disguise as Gotama rishi. Jyeshta is the nakshatra ruled by Indra. This means Jyeshata nakshatra has all the potencey to xerox/copy Chitra nakshatra and to deceive Asvini. Both Indra and Ahalya were cursed by the sage is it not. Ahalya became a stone. This freezing indirectly hints at the Sunyatva/nothingness of Mesha caused by Chitra nakshatra. Exalted Sun/Sri Rama had to step on to Aswini for revival/rejuvenation!!Sorry for the length and if i had bored you with this.May Mother Bless.Astrologically & spiritually yours,p.s.ramanarayanan.--- On Tue, 30/9/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote:ahimsavm <ahimsans Re: Rishissohamsa Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 9:34 AM Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Narasimha, I hope you would not mind my stepping in. Rishi consciousness can be seen from the following. These are not all combinations but can give some hint 1. Atmakaraka rules 12th from Karakamsha and is unconjoined/ unaspected 2. Ak is in 5th house in Navamsa 3. 9th lord is well placed in Abijit rashi 4. Mahayogadas can give such level of experiences, check the Thakur's chart. As far as Gotra is concerned, you can try the following. Arudha of the 2nd house in Rashi or Vimsamsa (mostly gotra is related to Rishis)In Guruji's chart A2 is kumbha with Chandra-Atri Gotra, while in D-20, Budha sits in A2- also Atri/ Jagannath as ishta devata and grama devata). Hope this helps Best wishes Zoran Radosavljevic Teacher at Siva Brihaspati Devaguru www.siva-edu. 110mb.com personal blog www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > Dear Lakshmi, > > I do not know of a reliable way to find either from horoscope. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Fresee Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > Lakshmi Kary > > Cc: sohamsa > Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:49 PM > Re: Rishis > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Narasimha. > Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically? . > 1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness" . > > 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many charts? > Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal. > thank-you > Lakshmi > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: >  > Namaste, > > There are really two different things here. > > Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some punya). > > The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives). > > * * * > > One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation? > > Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it. > > All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only. > > Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha". > > However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible. > > Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it. > > Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nations and planets. > > A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature. > > If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again. > > Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions. > > * * * > > Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that. > > Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - --- > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - --- > > - > rajarshi nandy > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM > Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi? > > Dear Narasimhaji > > I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious.. > > Thanks in advance. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi? > vedic astrology, vedic- wisdom , sohamsa@ .com, sivacharya@gro ups.com > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM > > > Dear Prasad, > > I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself. > > There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa. > > If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam. > > Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama. > > Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa. > > Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Dear Respected Members, > > > > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Prasad A. Pole > > > > > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear All, For those interested here is a previous post from Sanjay on sohamsa.for further study "Swati's question healing spaces wrote: Hare Rama Krsna, I was listening to Atri classes on Jagannatha drekkana , where Sanjayji talks about Agasthya is related to Bhramarishi ( chara rashis, 9th from sthir rashis Moon ), Doorvaasa is related to Maharishi (sthira rashis, 9th from dwija rashis Moon), Narada is connected to devarishi (dwija rashis, 9th from chara rashis Moon)In contrast to this, in the narayana dasha book, it is given other way round, as Agasthya related to Maharishi (sthira rashis) and Doorvaasa is related to Bhramarishi (chara rashis). Can you please help me clear this confusion . Rath's Reply:Let us get the linkages to get to the bottom of the subject at hand.Defining the titles of a RishiThere are many prefixes added to Rishi to indicate their status or working levels. Brahmarshi is the name *Brahma* prefixed to show the creative process which starts with AUM and Jagannath, and the three Rishi's for this knowledge that we all have are Gotama, Atri and Bharadwaj, the givers of AUM for which they are called Brahmarsi. So not the creative process with A-U-M has become threefold having A, which is Brahma; U which is Vishnu and M which is Shiva. Maharsi are the ten seers of maharloka who are progenitors of all creation after a pralaya and when the creation beings again! So Maharsi is working as Brahmarsi at Maharloka.There are so many prefixes that can create some confusion as you can see above. Therefore, following in the holy footsteps of Parasara [Vishnu Purana] we arrive at the three basic titles of Brahmarsi, Maharsi and Devarsi. Do you recall my witing about creation and the two words we learnt i.e. how A-U-M becomes U-M-A due to the reversal effect.Look at the Rishi's from the viewpoint of their creation and attachment -(1) Agastya is known for his enormous creativity, having created the languages, scripts and incorporated the entire vedic literature into the south indian languages. Agastya was also known for his strength and he ate up and digested some rakshasa (demons) in a *tit for tat* kind of episode. He drank up the ocean when thirsty and fishes leapt around crying for life! None knows medicine better than him nor the ways to handle poison (Rk Veda etc).(2) Durvasa is known for his terrible temper and thousands of disciples whom he taught and kept under strict disciplene - only Shiva could have done this. He is incarnated from the blessings of Shiva to Atri Muni. But Atri Muni is the giver of the AUM, and specifically the middle syllable U in the order of Gotama, Atri, Bharadvaja.(3) Devarsi narada is a son of *Brahma* (so if we take birth as the factor) then some will argue that he should becalled Brahmarsi, but unlike manmatha and Rudra, he decided to remain celibate and thus left the path that Brahma wanted him to take and stuck to Narayana...like glue. So there is no doubt that he is the devarsi.Teachings of Parasara in BPHSExtracts from Brhat Parasara Hora ShastrarÄÅ›itribhÄgÄdreÅkÄňÄste ca ÅaŧtrimÅ›adÄ«ritÄh |parivrittitrayam teÅÄm meÅÄdeh kramaÅ›o bhavet || 7||The translation of the word *parivritti* and *trayam* has been done differently by different authors to suit their purposes and in reality this is quiet encompassing. Just for good record, there is a drekkana chart which is called Parivritti Drekkana and is quite well known and accepted. You can check Tajik Nilakanti and my writings and those of the scholar Iranganti Rangacharya on this subject as well as that of Dr. B V. Raman.The common understanding for parivritti is to “consider or cover the entire zodiac span of 360 degrees†based on its meanings as (1) “turning or a revolution†around the zodiac, (2) “return (into this world)†and (3) “surrounding , encompassing or covering†the zodiac. The word *trayam* means three or three-fold and to this there can be no dispute nor different opinions. Therefore, drekkana is the one-third part of a sign reckoned in such a way that it covers the entire zodiac of 360 degrees. There are four ways in which this can be done and are popularly called (1) Parashari drekkana (2) Jagannath drekkana (3) Somanath Drekkana and (4) Parivrittitraya drekkana, although from the exact writings of Parasara, it is quite evident that he has covered all these in his broad statement at sloka 7.svapancanavamÄnÄm ca rÄśīnÄm kramaÅ›aÅ›ca te |nÄradÄ'gastidurvÄsÄ dreÅkÄňeÅ›ÄÅ›carÄdiÅu || 8||Sva is self, first sign or the same sign; panca means fifth and navama means ninth; it is evident that the first, fifth and ninth signs, in that particular order, are being advised from every sign. Krama means to step or move in a procedure. Therefore, the first, fifth and ninth signs from any sign are the three drekkana and based on this sloka 8 and the name Parasari drekkana has been given to the generally well known drekkana or decanate chart. For example, the three decanates measuring 10deg each for Leo would map to Leo, Sagittarius and Pisces respectively for the 1st (0 -10 deg) 2nd (10 deg - 20 deg) and 3rd (20 deg - 30 deg).Next he says that Narada, Agastya, Durvasa (in that order) are the lords (poor translation of isa but will do for now) for chara (movable) and OTHERS. Should we interpret others as chara, sthira (fixed), dvisvabhava (dual or mutable) which is normally done? Then, Narada is the Rishi for movable signs, Agastya for fixed signs and Durvasa for mutable signs.Logical derivation based on Birth and BPHS and dharma bhavaIf we take the lineage or birth then this can easily fall in place – (1) Narada was the son of Brahma and hence movable signs are given to his care as Brahma indicates creation for which the movable signs have the energy or guna (2) Agastya, the ardent worshipper of Rudra/Shiva was the son of Rishi Pulastya and the fixed signs with low energy attributed to their fixity represents thes guna while (3) Durvasa was the son of Atri muni who is the giver of the middle syllable ‘U’ in AUM which represents the energy of Vishnu. Therefore this explanation fits the description.However, we need to realize that the Rishi are actually the Pitris as they are the progenitors of all creation (and knowledge – Veda) and must have the pride of place in the ninth house to represent the Guru and father alike. Then when we say narada rules of the movable drekkana we refer to him as being in the ninth from the movable signs. The ninth from movable signs are the mutable (dual) signs which are having the energy of sustenance and therefore Narada is called Devarsi. By similar logic we can attribute the ninth from fixed signs (which are movable signs) to Agastya as he has a created whole universe of knowledge like Brahma. Similarly the ninth from mutable signs are the fixed signs and the anger of Durvasa matches this.If we map ‘Devarsi to Vishnu, Brahmarsi to Brahma and Maharsi to Mahadeva or Shiva, then from the above paragraph, we can map Narada as Devarsi, Agastya as Brahmarsi and Durvasa as Mahrsi. That should explain in detail what I was teaching at the Atri-SJC class in Delhi.(1) Devarsi -- Narada --Mutable or dual signs [logic: being 9th from movable signs](2) Brahmarsi --Agastya --Movable signs [logic: being 9th from fixed signs](3) Maharsi --Durvasa --Fixed signs [logic: being 9th from mutable/dual signs]The vexed questionsAll this is fine and we should follow but then a stage comes when we ask questions like what does the word ‘krama’ fully mean? Is it just regular reckoning like that for Saturn or is it based on the reckoning of Narayana? Then we arrive at a dilemma where the ninth sign from the samapada and vimsapada are going to be different. Then for Narayana dasa which is based on padakrama order, the reckoning of results of houses should also follow a different order for samapada and vimsapada signs. For this we go back to the two words “AUM†and “UMA†which hold the key to the answer. Again, the word used by Parasara is ‘chara and others’ which for the intelligent should cover both the groups of samapada and vimsapada signs. Therefore Narayana dasa is a different level of Jyotish altogether and should be studied with at least some knowledge of the Upadesha Sutra. Add to this the complexity of the word ‘parivritti-traya’ and the various alternatives to get a great puzzle that would require serious research to resolve.Let us just focus on the question at hand. Look at it from another perspective of guna and drishti which is an attribute of the signs. We already have the following mapping -(1) Devarsi -- Narada --Mutable or dual signs [logic: being 9th from movable signs](2) Brahmarsi --Agastya --Movable signs [logic: being 9th from fixed signs](3) Maharsi --Durvasa --Fixed signs [logic: being 9th from mutable/dual signs]When we talk of Narayana dasa, we talk of sustenance of everything that is created by Him. In the material universe, Guna is understood from the viewpoint of energy as well.(1) Satva can be simply understood as perfect balance between energy supply and demand and thus the body continues in perfect or balanced motion. Satva guna is attributed to mutable or gual signs(2) Rajas guna is the desire and hence power to create and shows the use of surplus energy which is available with movable signs. Rajas guna is attributed to movable signs and will continue to keep working or doing till the energy finishes. Thus, Rajas ends in Tamas guna when the fuel supply finishes.(3) The reverse is true for Tamas guna which has no power or energy to do anything and is seeking energy to get activated and achieve its goals. Tamas is attributed to the fixed signs which symbolise lack of motion and low energy.Now rewrite the mapping based on gunas(1) Devarsi -- Narada --Mutable or dual signs --satva guna(2) Brahmarsi --Agastya --Movable signs --rajas guna(3) Maharsi --Durvasa --Fixed signs --tamas gunaThe desire is indicated by RASI DRISHTI or the aspect of the signs.(1) The dual/mutable signs aspect each other or satva guna is satisfied in itself, and satva converts only to another satva because of this drishti. [satva --> satva](2) Movable signs aspect only fixed signs and cannot aspect any movable or mutable signs showing that rajas converts to tamas guna because of this drishti. [rajas --> tamas](3) Fixed signs only aspect other movable signs and cannot aspect fixed or mutable signs showing that tamas converts to rajas but cannot convert ot satva because of this drishti. [tamas -->rajas]Q1. Why are we taking drishti into account? Answer: Because it shows the knowledge, desire and action towards things/objectives.Q2. Why are we considering Rasi drishti? Answer: Because it does not have Iccha shakti and instead has only kriya and gyana shakti. That is why it doesnotAnd, in Narayana Dasa or in Drig dasa, this connection between drishti (knowledge, desire and action ability) and ninth house (Narayana/Vishnu) is clearly made and has a sound basis on the Rk Veda - tad Vishnu paramam padam, sadaa pasyanti suurayah. Diviivah chayur-aatatam.The next step is to covert on the basis of the guna. Satva (Devarshi) remains the same and no conversion occurs. Rajas (Brahmarsi) is converted to Tamas (Maharsi) and vice-versa.(1) Devarsi -- Narada --Mutable or dual signs --satva guna --> satva guna --Mutable or dual signs--Narada [Rishi is not changing, dominant guna is not changing](2) Brahmarsi --Agastya --Movable signs --rajas guna --> tamas guna -- Fixed signs --Maharsi --Agastya [Rishi is not changing, dominant guna changes, and thus the sign association changes](3) Maharsi --Durvasa --Fixed signs --tamas guna --> rajas guna -- Movable signs -- Brahmarsi --Durvasa [Rishi is not changing, dominant guna changes, and thus the sign association changes]Now for the purpose of Narayana dasa, Drig dasa and every where we use rasi drishti, we should remember this changing of guna and accordingly in the Narayana dasha book, it is given as Agasthya related to Maharishi (sthira rashis) and Durvssa is related to Bhramarishi (chara rashis)--rama narayanan <sree88ganesha wrote: SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAMAUM GURUBHYO NAMAHDear Shri Zoran, Narasimha & Lakshmi,Namaste. May i write a few lines. When you talk about the gotras we need to bow down to the Saptarishis. We can get the direct link with the Saptarishis through the nakshatras. Identify the nakshatra in which the Moon is at the time of birth and worship that Rishi(from the seven) pertaining to the nakshatra. The order is as follows: -1.Marichi - Asvini Pushya2.Vasishta - Bharini Aslesha3.Angirasa - Krittika (please continue in this manner till you complete all the 28 nakshatras)4.Atri - Rohini5.Pulastya - Mrigasira6.Pulaha - Aridra7.Kratu - PunarvasuOver and above this we have rishis pertaining to each nakshatra - for example in the case of Swami Vivekananda the Moon is in Hasta. The gotra pertaining to this nakshatra is Pulaha. The rishi pertaining to this Nakshatra is Mandavya. Take the case of Sri Ramakrishna(Thakur) the nakshatra in which his Moon is posited is Poorvabhadrapada. This means he belongs to Pulastya Gotra. The rishi pertaining to his nakshatra is Srivatsa.There's lot to know from the nakshatras. The rishi pertaining to chitra nakshatra is Gotama. The 16th nakshatra from this nakshatra is the sanghatika which gives clue about his spouse. She is Ahalya. The 16th nakshatra from Chitra(including abhijit) is Aswini. Indra caused damage to her reputation by cheating her when he came in disguise as Gotama rishi. Jyeshta is the nakshatra ruled by Indra. This means Jyeshata nakshatra has all the potencey to xerox/copy Chitra nakshatra and to deceive Asvini. Both Indra and Ahalya were cursed by the sage is it not. Ahalya became a stone. This freezing indirectly hints at the Sunyatva/nothingness of Mesha caused by Chitra nakshatra. Exalted Sun/Sri Rama had to step on to Aswini for revival/rejuvenation!!Sorry for the length and if i had bored you with this.May Mother Bless.Astrologically & spiritually yours,p.s.ramanarayanan.--- On Tue, 30/9/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com> wrote: ahimsavm <ahimsans (AT) nadlanu (DOT) com> Re: Rishissohamsa Date: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 9:34 AM Om Namah Shivaya,Dear Narasimha,I hope you would not mind my stepping in. Rishi consciousness can be seen from the following. These are not all combinations but can give some hint1. Atmakaraka rules 12th from Karakamsha and is unconjoined/ unaspected2. Ak is in 5th house in Navamsa3. 9th lord is well placed in Abijit rashi4. Mahayogadas can give such level of experiences, check the Thakur's chart.As far as Gotra is concerned, you can try the following. Arudha of the 2nd house in Rashi or Vimsamsa (mostly gotra is related to Rishis)In Guruji's chart A2 is kumbha with Chandra-Atri Gotra, while in D-20, Budha sits in A2- also Atri/ Jagannath as ishta devata and grama devata).Hope this helpsBest wishesZoran RadosavljevicTeacher at Siva Brihaspati Devaguruwww.siva-edu. 110mb.compersonal blogwww.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com> Dear Lakshmi,> > I do not know of a reliable way to find either from horoscope.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Fresee Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > Lakshmi Kary > > Cc: sohamsa > Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:49 PM> Re: Rishis> > > Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Narasimha.> Can you please show these things are seen in the chart astrologically? .> 1)"Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis consciousness" .> > 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this confirmed in many charts?> Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal.> thank-you> Lakshmi> > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:>  > Namaste,> > There are really two different things here.> > Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also requires some punya).> > The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of tapascharya in past lives).> > * * *> > One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation?> > Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it.> > All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known as "unmanifested Brahman". The world of duality, where there are many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known as "manifested Brahman". Both are Brahman only.> > Normally, living in the domain of duality without being deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is the advaitic experience of "nirvikalpa samadhi" and what happens in "moksha".> > However, maharshis have described higher states. It is possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object is possible.> > Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami Vivekananda also experienced it.> > Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural order of the universe. They can change the course of history of nations and planets.> > A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature.> > If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if the computer process has finished all the initialization and early work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being and will find his way again.> > Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous consequences without any personal ego driving those actions.> > * * *> > Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that rishi. However, it is not easy to know that.> > Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- > > - > rajarshi nandy > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM> Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?> > Dear Narasimhaji> > I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your thoughts on this topic. I am really curious..> > Thanks in advance.> > -Regards> Rajarshi> > "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet> > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> Re: Anyone knows mantra for Kashyap Rishi?> vedic astrology, , sohamsa@ .com, sivacharya@gro ups.com> Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM> > > Dear Prasad,> > I do not know any specific mantra. I know many mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to Kashyapa himself.> > There are many mantras for Prajapati in general ("prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .."), but I don't know a mantra specifically to worship Kashyapa.> > If you perform a homam, you can add the following line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the uttarangam.> > Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama.> > Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa.> > Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be pleased with you and you may experience something.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------------------ ---------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- > > > Dear Respected Members,> > > > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I would like to know specific mantra for worship.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Prasad A. 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Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Dear Ramnarayan, Sanjayji has written a lot and taught about it in his Nakshatra book and seminar, for further reference. Best wishes Zoran sohamsa , rama narayanan <sree88ganesha wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBHYO NAMAH > > Dear Shri Zoran, Narasimha & Lakshmi, > > Namaste. May i write a few lines. When you talk about the gotras we need to bow down to the Saptarishis. We can get the direct link with the Saptarishis through the nakshatras. Identify the nakshatra in which the Moon is at the time of birth and worship that Rishi(from the seven) pertaining to the nakshatra. The order is as follows: - > > 1.Marichi - Asvini     Pushya > 2.Vasishta - Bharini  Aslesha > 3.Angirasa - Krittika (please continue in this manner till you complete all the 28 nakshatras) > 4.Atri - Rohini > 5.Pulastya - Mrigasira > 6.Pulaha - Aridra > 7.Kratu - Punarvasu > > Over and above this we have rishis pertaining to each nakshatra - for example in the case of Swami Vivekananda the Moon is in Hasta. The gotra pertaining to this nakshatra is Pulaha. The rishi pertaining to this Nakshatra is Mandavya. Take the case of Sri Ramakrishna(Thakur) the nakshatra in which his Moon is posited is Poorvabhadrapada. This means he belongs to Pulastya Gotra. The rishi pertaining to his nakshatra is Srivatsa. > > There's lot to know from the nakshatras. The rishi pertaining to chitra nakshatra is Gotama. The 16th nakshatra from this nakshatra is the sanghatika which gives clue about his spouse. She is Ahalya. The 16th nakshatra from Chitra(including abhijit) is Aswini. Indra caused damage to her reputation by cheating her when he came in disguise as Gotama rishi. Jyeshta is the nakshatra ruled by Indra. This means Jyeshata nakshatra has all the potencey to xerox/copy Chitra nakshatra and to deceive Asvini. Both Indra and Ahalya were cursed by the sage is it not. Ahalya became a stone. This freezing indirectly hints at the Sunyatva/nothingness of Mesha caused by Chitra nakshatra. Exalted Sun/Sri Rama had to step on to Aswini for revival/rejuvenation!! > > Sorry for the length and if i had bored you with this. > > May Mother Bless. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > --- On Tue, 30/9/08, ahimsavm <ahimsans wrote: > ahimsavm <ahimsans > Re: Rishis > sohamsa > Tuesday, 30 September, 2008, 9:34 AM > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Dear Narasimha, > > I hope you would not mind my stepping in. > > Rishi consciousness can be seen from the following. These are not > > all combinations but can give some hint > > 1. Atmakaraka rules 12th from Karakamsha and is > > unconjoined/ unaspected > > 2. Ak is in 5th house in Navamsa > > 3. 9th lord is well placed in Abijit rashi > > 4. Mahayogadas can give such level of experiences, check the > > Thakur's chart. > > As far as Gotra is concerned, you can try the following. Arudha of > > the 2nd house in Rashi or Vimsamsa (mostly gotra is related to > > Rishis)In Guruji's chart A2 is kumbha with Chandra-Atri Gotra, while > > in D-20, Budha sits in A2- also Atri/ Jagannath as ishta devata and > > grama devata). > > Hope this helps > > Best wishes > > Zoran Radosavljevic > > Teacher at Siva Brihaspati Devaguru > > www.siva-edu. 110mb.com > > personal blog > > www.ahimsazr1. wordpress. com > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, > > > > > > I do not know of a reliable way to find either from horoscope. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Fresee Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > - > > > Lakshmi Kary > > > > > > Cc: sohamsa > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:49 PM > > > Re: Rishis > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > Dear Narasimha. > > > Can you please show these things are seen in the chart > > astrologically? . > > > 1) " Some people are born with an Amsa( part) of a rishis > > consciousness " . > > > > > > 2)Gotra - How to find it in the chart and have you seen this > > confirmed in many charts? > > > Are you talking about lineage- maternal, paternal. > > > thank-you > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > >  > > > Namaste, > > > > > > There are really two different things here. > > > > > > Some people are born with an amsa (part) of a rishi's > > consciousness. For example, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa said that > > Narendranath (Swami Vivekananda) was one of the seven great rishis. > > Many people did meet him. Thus, meeting the physical manifestation > > of an amsa of a rishi is not that difficult (though that also > > requires some punya). > > > > > > The second thing is to meet the physical manifestation of the > > entire consciousness of a rishi. *That* is very very very difficult. > > As Vimalananda said, that may require a terrific amount of > > tapascharya (unless you are one of that rishi's people who came to > > do some work on earth and have already done a terrific amount of > > tapascharya in past lives). > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > One may wonder: If rishis are so great, why do they not get > > moksha and why do they remain in physical manifestation? > > > > > > Though the following is essentially like a kindergartener > > explaining Einstein's theory of general relativity to fellow > > kindergarteners, I will nevertheless try to explain it. > > > > > > All that our senses perceive is Maya (delusion) that is > > created by the power of duality. If the veil of delusion is removed, > > there is no duality and all is ONE uniform and undivided > > consciousness, known variously as Aatman or Brahman or Narayana or > > Sadashiva. This one uniform and undivided consciousness is known > > as " unmanifested Brahman " . The world of duality, where there are > > many different objects, is also actually Brahman only, but Brahman > > that went through some modification and manifestation. It is known > > as " manifested Brahman " . Both are Brahman only. > > > > > > Normally, living in the domain of duality without being > > deluded by some aspect of duality or the other is near to > > impossible. Remaining in duality with a perfect understanding of the > > underlying oneness of all objects and perceiving all those objects > > of duality without experiencing attraction or repulsion for any > > single object of duality is almost impossible. Most spiritual > > aspirants try to reach the state of oneness with unmanifested > > Brahman - a state in which there is no duality and no > > objectification - and become absorbed in that state forever. That is > > the advaitic experience of " nirvikalpa samadhi " and what happens > > in " moksha " . > > > > > > However, maharshis have described higher states. It is > > possible to be in oneness with manifested Brahman and unmanifested > > Brahman at the same time. It is possible to remain in duality, with > > the senses perceiving objects of duality, and yet remain in oneness > > with the underlying oneness (Brahman) of all obejcts and not be > > deluded, i.e. not experience either attraction or repulsion for any > > object of duality. Mere perception of objects by the senses is not > > the problem. The tendency of mind to be find some attractive and > > find some repulsive is the problem. It is possible to remain in a > > state where there is neither attraction nor repulsion for any object > > is possible. > > > > > > Such a state is experienced by very few beings. Ramakrishna > > Paramahamsa, Shirdi Sai Baba etc were in this state always. Swami > > Vivekananda also experienced it. > > > > > > Rishis are beings who are always in a very high state. They > > are always alert to the maya and yet not stuck in it. They perceive > > objects of duality and yet are not attracted or repelled by > > anything. If one overcomes attraction and repulsion and yet remains > > in duality, one can pretty much do anything. But because one is > > neither attracted or repelled by anything, it means one has no > > personal ego and one has no reason to do anything for personal ego. > > Then one becomes an instrument of nature (Prakriti) and implements > > the wish of nature through one's actions, which are performed > > without any attachment or personal identification. One who has a > > personal ego can do limited things. One who has a very very small > > ego can do great things. One who has no ego can do ANY thing. But > > such a being does things that are desired by Nature - the natural > > order of the universe. They can change the course of history of > > nations and planets. > > > > > > A rishi in this state may engage in various actions of great > > consequence for the world. Yet, there is no attachment with the > > actions. He is just an unattached instrument of Nature. > > > > > > If one gets out of the duality and becomes absorbed in > > unmanifested Brahman forever, one is not born again. But a rishi who > > has an equal vision of unmanifested and manifested Brahman is for > > ever mukta (liberated). Thus, he will freely interact with duality > > without any fear or aversion. Amsa of such a rishi may even be born > > again as a separate person, just as a process running in a computer > > may spawn off a separate thread to do some focussed task. Even if > > the computer process has finished all the initialization and early > > work, the newly spawned thread has to go through initialization etc > > again. Similarly, the person born with amsa has to go through the > > process of overcoming weaknesses and realizing self all over again. > > When a Vivekananda is born from the amsa of a rishi, he may have to > > struggle initially and overcome the weaknesses and realize self all > > over again. But he is the amsa of an ever free and liberated being > > and will find his way again. > > > > > > Thus, a liberated rishi, with the force of his liberated > > consciousness and with the force of his reborn amsas, will act as an > > unattached instrument of Nature performing actions of tremendous > > consequences without any personal ego driving those actions. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Worshipping the rishi of one's gotra and getting his blessings > > is a very good idea. In general, getting the blessings of ANY rishi > > is a great idea. Pursuing the rishi of one's gotra is relatively > > easier for most people. But, if one has a connection with a specific > > rishi (apart from the rishi of one's gotra), one can worship that > > rishi. However, it is not easy to know that. > > > > > > Suppose several mantras you find natural attraction for have > > the descendants of a specific Maharshi as the rishi. Then you may > > have a connection with that Maharshi. You can try praying to him. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- - - > > --- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- - - > > --- > > > > > > - > > > rajarshi nandy > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:30 AM > > > Re: Re: Anyone knows mantra for > > Kashyap Rishi? > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > > > > > I had a question about Rishis. In the Aghora books, it > > is mentioned that the Rishis of yesteryears are still alive and roam > > around in this planet. There are signs on their body.And that only > > some who has done terrific amount of tapashya is eligible to meet a > > Rishi. And also that praying to Rishi of ones gotra can help to > > acclerate ones spirtual progress. Kindly enlighten us with your > > thoughts on this topic. I am really curious.. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > -Regards > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > " This above all: to thine own self be true! " - Hamlet > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > > Re: Anyone knows mantra for > > Kashyap Rishi? > > > vedic astrology, vedic- > > wisdom , sohamsa@ .com, > > sivacharya@gro ups.com > > > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 5:36 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear Prasad, > > > > > > I do not know any specific mantra. I know many > > mantras for which Kashyapa is rishi, but no mantra to pray to > > Kashyapa himself. > > > > > > There are many mantras for Prajapati in general > > ( " prajaapate na tvadetaanyanyo. .. " ), but I don't know a mantra > > specifically to worship Kashyapa. > > > > > > If you perform a homam, you can add the following > > line after the poorvaangam (initial five aahutis) and before the > > uttarangam. > > > > > > Om kashyapaaya swaahaa. kashyapaayedam na mama. > > > > > > Say it and make an offering of ghee for Kashyapa. > > > > > > Another way to worship a rishi is to take section of > > Veda for which he is the rishi and try to experience that section. > > You can simply pick one rik for which Kashyapa is rishi and keep > > meditating on that rik. You can close your eyes, keep back straight > > and repeat the rik mentally with swaram without moving and do that > > everyday for a certain amount of time. Oneday the rishi may be > > pleased with you and you may experience something. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -------- - > > --------- --------- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- > > wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. > > home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: > > http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -------- - > > --------- --------- > > > > > > > Dear Respected Members, > > > > > > > > My gotra is Kashyap. I would like to know if there > > is any specific mantra of Kashyap Rishi for worship. I am doing > > tarpana, so it does have offering oblations to Kashyap Rishi, but I > > would like to know specific mantra for worship. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Prasad A. Pole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger./win/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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