Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Sri Matre NamahDear Narasimha,i'll look forward to your translation and interpretation of the sloka.Thanks in advance for the same!regards -- Viswanadham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Namaste Sanjay, > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material> Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe> me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! You are totally missing the point. When you taught that Parasara used both both 7 and 8 chara karakas, the line you took was so different. You said 8 chara karakas are used for people and 7 chara karakas in mundane charts. That is NOT what I am saying. Even in natal horoscopy of human beings, I am saying that 7 chara karakas are to be used in the charts of some people and 8 chara karakas in the charts of some people. I am also saying that Parasara gave a clear horoscope-based rule for deciding when 7 karakas are to be used and when 8 karakas are to be used. To the best of my knowledge, this is NOT what "5000+ astrologers out there" know or use. Your followers use 8 chara karakas in all human charts. Followers of Sri KN Rao use 7 chara karakas in all charts. There are probably a handful (or none) who use what I am saying. > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said,> then ...wake me up I have already deviated a big deal fundamentally, from what you said. Looks like you haven't fully woken up! ;-) Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Dear Narasimha> Wake me after after you have reached some distance in this ... > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material> Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe> me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! > I have given this in my papers on Chara Karakas, three THREE Spiritual> philosphies and why each school uses either.> Get hold of the book Collected Papers and its all there ...> OK ...Narasimha good lagnas to get going and please don't tell me you> now use Mercury retrograde for your decisions?!! So you too have> joined the Sarbani club of Mercury retro checking.> Anyway I am taking a real pooja break and this pooja has been grand> > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said,> then ...wake me up> Sanjay> > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Narasimha Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > Namaste Sanjay,> > > > > I hope I get it in this lifetime.> > > > :-)> > > > I wanted to get the ball rolling in Pisces lagna on Vijaya Dasami day.> > Though retrograde Mercury in 7th with 6th lord and Venus-Mars> > combination in 8th shows problems due to this move, I had faith in> > lagna lord Jupiter in 10th.> > > > I wanted to follow it up in detail only after Mercury's retrogression> > ends. But I made up my mind to give an "opening statement" today in Sg> > lagna with Jupiter exactly on lagna.> > > > * * *> > > > The first two verses of the chapter on karakas go as:> > > > athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn .h |> > saptaravyAdishanyan tAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn .h || 1||> > aMshaiH samau grahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan. h chintayet.h tadA |> > saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2||> > > > This can be translated literally as: "Now I am speaking about seven> > planets from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu, acting as the> > significators of self etc. If two planets are equal by degrees, then> > upto Rahu should be thought of. Thus, only seven significators [in> > some] and eight in some are considered."> > > > Thus, Parasara opened the discussion of karakas with a simple and> > straight-forward introduction. Most people today either consider 7> > planets always or 8 planets always. Parasara actually defined a clear> > condition to decide when seven karakas are used and when eight karakas> > are used. The decision should change from chart to chart based on what> > he said.> > > > I will continue after Mercury's retrogression ends.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 OK so that’s the point you are making ... Let me sum up the point so far You agree that there are three possibilities as taught by my tradition (or are you saying more than this?) You are not agreeing with either of the other two schools which use ONLY one chara karaka scheme i.e. 7 CK or 8 CK (only one and not both) ...so far so good Now the point of difference ... I am saying that the 7 CK is to be used for mundane charts while 8 CK for living beings (correction here Narasimha, not just human beings ... all living beings that can procreate) That is definition of the Putra karaka as given in my tradition. You say that *sometimes* 7 CK is to be used and *sometimes* 8 CK is to be used ... What you are NOT saying is whether this is applicable for people, AND/or animals also and/or mundane charts What you are not saying is what you will probably say later ...how to find all this out Now instead of making this a small bed time story, please take the trouble of writing all that you have to say together and give us a detailed paper. I don’t want to deal with this serious subject in this haphazard manner. If you are serious then you will do, as all scholars do and present us with a paper which is well considered and well referenced (or quoted) either. Till then ... Do not insist on my indulgence every evening and instead let me consider your paper seriously when you are ready Good Night Sanjay sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 11 October 2008 20:57 sohamsa Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka Namaste Sanjay, > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material > Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe > me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! You are totally missing the point. When you taught that Parasara used both both 7 and 8 chara karakas, the line you took was so different. You said 8 chara karakas are used for people and 7 chara karakas in mundane charts. That is NOT what I am saying. Even in natal horoscopy of human beings, I am saying that 7 chara karakas are to be used in the charts of some people and 8 chara karakas in the charts of some people. I am also saying that Parasara gave a clear horoscope-based rule for deciding when 7 karakas are to be used and when 8 karakas are to be used. To the best of my knowledge, this is NOT what " 5000+ astrologers out there " know or use. Your followers use 8 chara karakas in all human charts. Followers of Sri KN Rao use 7 chara karakas in all charts. There are probably a handful (or none) who use what I am saying. > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said, > then ...wake me up I have already deviated a big deal fundamentally, from what you said. Looks like you haven't fully woken up! ;-) Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- In sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Dear Narasimha > Wake me after after you have reached some distance in this ... > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material > Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe > me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! > I have given this in my papers on Chara Karakas, three THREE Spiritual > philosphies and why each school uses either. > Get hold of the book Collected Papers and its all there ... > OK ...Narasimha good lagnas to get going and please don't tell me you > now use Mercury retrograde for your decisions?!! So you too have > joined the Sarbani club of Mercury retro checking. > Anyway I am taking a real pooja break and this pooja has been grand > > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said, > then ...wake me up > Sanjay > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Narasimha Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > > I hope I get it in this lifetime. > > > > :-) > > > > I wanted to get the ball rolling in Pisces lagna on Vijaya Dasami day. > > Though retrograde Mercury in 7th with 6th lord and Venus-Mars > > combination in 8th shows problems due to this move, I had faith in > > lagna lord Jupiter in 10th. > > > > I wanted to follow it up in detail only after Mercury's retrogression > > ends. But I made up my mind to give an " opening statement " today in Sg > > lagna with Jupiter exactly on lagna. > > > > * * * > > > > The first two verses of the chapter on karakas go as: > > > > athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn .h | > > saptaravyAdishanyan tAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn .h || 1|| > > aMshaiH samau grahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan. h chintayet.h tadA | > > saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2|| > > > > This can be translated literally as: " Now I am speaking about seven > > planets from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu, acting as the > > significators of self etc. If two planets are equal by degrees, then > > upto Rahu should be thought of. Thus, only seven significators [in > > some] and eight in some are considered. " > > > > Thus, Parasara opened the discussion of karakas with a simple and > > straight-forward introduction. Most people today either consider 7 > > planets always or 8 planets always. Parasara actually defined a clear > > condition to decide when seven karakas are used and when eight karakas > > are used. The decision should change from chart to chart based on what > > he said. > > > > I will continue after Mercury's retrogression ends. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Dear Narasimha That story needs to end correctly I was convinced that the calculations and Iterationmethod you deciphered from Raghavacharya were not accurate therefore in the Mumbai conference *You can hear the recordings* I DID NOT present the paper that was published in the Jyotish Digest as *joint paper of Sanjay and Narasimha*. I presented a *completely different* paper and taught the foundations of KCD. The complete KALACHAKRA DASA teaching was done in LONDON to *Gordon Brennan, Geoffrey Pierce...and others* in a private class. They are totally different from what you are talking about and even completely different from Raghavacharya and others. It uses the two *savya* and *apasavya* chakra and the daa and antardasa can be *counted on finger tips*. While I can do that I took great please in seeing Gordon and others also do that. I know that if you had to program it you would, but its ok. I think it will soon available in perfect form in *Sri Jyoti Star* Thank you Sanjay sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 11 October 2008 03:41 sohamsa Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka Namaste, There is a little history on Kalachakra dasa. When Sanjay ji visited my house a few years ago (I think in 2004), I showed him a Telugu language book by Raghavacharya called " Kalachakra dasa " . I tried to decipher Raghavacharya's teaching in that book and explain it to Sanjay. Sanjay found the iteration method I deciphered from the book quite brilliant and instantly decided that we would present a paper at the upcoming SJC conference in India. I thought we were rushing, but consented. At that time, I had only figured out savya nakshatras and yet to figure out apasavya nakshatras. Sanjay ji asked me to finish it, write a paper and send it. After Sanjay ji left, I sent the paper as well updated JHora. Our joint paper was presented by Sanjay ji at the conference. I added it in JHora as " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC Conference) " . However, after a little more work on deciphering this, I realized that I had made a crucial mistake. Then evolved my final understanding, which IMHO is consistent with BPHS too. I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya Method (navamsa progression) " . When adding this, I consolidated various methods in the software and cleaned up the software. In the process, I broke the code of the previous method. The version in JHora was inconsistent with what was taught in our joint paper. But, I was not motivated to fix it. The way I looked at it, this version of Kalachakra dasa in our joint paper was based on a half-baked understanding of mine. It was not based on the teachings of Achyuta parampara or Sanjay's research. It was based on my half-baked interpretation of Raghavacharya's teaching and hence not really useful. Thus, I was not motivated to fix it. I can *try* to fix it in the next release. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- In sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Narasimhaji , Namaskar > > Yes, but Vistiji said me that Tara and Kalachakra dasas which he was > taught by Sanjayji are not there, so therefore my querry/request. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > Narasimha Rao pisze: > > > > Namaste Rafal, > > > > Of course, the settings Sanjay ji prefers w.r.t. sunrise, Moola dasa > > calculation etc are all there in Jagannatha Hora. I may add new > > options after studying Parasara (e.g. drigdasa) or others (e.g. > > Raghavacharya's kalachakra dasa), but I do not get rid of Sanjay ji's > > versions. > > > > The thing with Tara dasa is that Sanjay ji said contradictory things > > to me at different times and I have coded his *latest* teaching to me. > > For the record, Tara dasa is not one of the dasas where I hold an > > independent view. I have no problem changing it based on Sanjay ji's > > latest view, if I can be educated on it. Whatever is there in software > > is what he communicated last to me. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > Spirituality: > > <> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > ------------------------- > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > Dear Narasimhaji , Namaskar > > > > > > It would be quite good to add Sanjayji settings in JHora to allow > > people > > > choose whatever settings they put faith in. What do you think ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > Sanjay Rath pisze: > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > For too long do we wait for your **few days** and you always get away > > > > with using smart words. That's OK with Mercury lagna but it still > > does > > > > not clear the air. > > > > > > > > The sunrise definition is **not mine** but adopted from Varahamihira > > > > (definition of Barhaspatya Varsha) ... Dewavrata or someone who is > > > > good with Panchanga an give this to you. > > > > > > > > Definition of Moola Dasha ... once again, I had to teach it way back > > > > in 2002 in Ukiah and it has been 6 years and you are still tinkering > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > Tara Dasha ... you have made a complete mess of it in the latest > > > > J-Hora 7.02 > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha ...thank God that I stopped you from coming out with > > another > > > > Narasimha Ayanamsha ..but now you have come to some level of > > > > understanding with the Vishnu nabhi which makes the nodes retro all > > > > the time ...good. Thats your pace, but that ayanamsha is also wrong. > > > > > > > > The Kalachakra dasha given in J-Hora is your interpretation and is > > > > also completely wrong. > > > > > > > > Finally, it is worth praying to Jagannath to get the **Big Picture** > > > > as He alone with His big round eyes gets the big picture ....and does > > > > not leave out any shloka nor does He interpret it so narrowly that > > > > leaves wide gaps between the other shlokas. Of course, what you will > > > > end up doing, which you have been consistently, is, tinkering with my > > > > paper. Lets wait to see your story. I hope I get it in this lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > P.S. I am still waiting for the JHora to be made opens source so that > > > > other programmers can use it for development of Mac version and other > > > > development. When do you think this is likely to happen? 2007 is long > > > > gone and we are well into the end of 2008. Let go Narasimha ....let go > > > > of it. Is it so difficult? If you have to give something for > > > > Jagannath, give it totally and completely ...make the software Open > > > > Source! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** sohamsa@ ..com [sohamsa] > > > > *On Behalf Of *Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > *Sent:* 10 October 2008 09:24 > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ ..com > > > > *Subject:* Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you have come with a loaded statement without > > giving the > > > > > > technicalities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) To my knowledge, this is actually the *first* time I have indeed > > > > given a " loaded statement " without giving the technicalities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether it was the sunrise definition or Moola dasa calculation or > > > > drigdasa calculation or Kalachakra dasa calculation or argala of Rahu > > > > and Ketu or something else, I always gave the technicalities when I > > > > disagreed with you. So it is unfair to say " once again " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give the technicalities after a few days. I am interested in > > > > seeing if anybody else can take a fresh look at the verses of > > Parasara > > > > without being influenced by the existing views and come up with a > > > > consistent interpretation that does not ignore some verses of the > > > > maharshi in the name of " big picture " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > < > > <>> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > Once again you have come with a loaded statement without giving the > > > > > technicalities. I have given a very detailed exposition of > > Parashara > > > > in my > > > > > paper on Charakaraka which is available inmy books as well. To > > say that I > > > > > have not translated Parashara is wrong. I may not have > > translated BPHS in > > > > > totality but I have interpreted and translated Parashara in BPHS in > > > > various > > > > > aspects related to jyotisha including the charakaraka. So, in > > this regard > > > > > your statement is incorrect and should be withdrawn. To see > > individual > > > > > slokas and interpret them without the others is the biggest > > curse to an > > > > > astrologer. You have to get the big picture and for this have to > > take > > > > *all > > > > > the shlokas* together and study them. I have done exactly this. > > > > > > > > > > I do not think anybody else in this world, other than giving > > parrot like > > > > > useless loaded statements, has done any justice to this subject of > > > > > charakaraka. > > > > > > > > > > As regards K N Rao, he can speak up for himself. > > > > > > > > > > Best Reagrds > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40>> > > > > [sohamsa] On Behalf Of > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > > 10 October 2008 08:21 > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40>> > > > > > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lakshmi and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case the adjectives used in the following sentence caused > > > > discomfort, I > > > > > can clarify: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The translations available are terrible, illogical and do not do > > > > justice to > > > > > Parasara's verses at all. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither Sri KN Rao nor Pt Sanjay Rath published any translations > > of BPHS. > > > > > The adjectives in the above sentence relate to BPHS translations by > > > > > Santhanam and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > < > > <>> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion, neither Sri KN Rao nor Pt Sanjay Rath > > got it > > > > right. > > > > > The verses of Parasara are quite complex. The translations > > available are > > > > > terrible, illogical and do not do justice to Parasara's verses > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > One CAN give a consistent and logical interpretation of > > Parasara's > > > > verses. > > > > > Neither Sri KN Rao's teachings nor Pt Sanjay Rath's teachings are > > > > based on a > > > > > consistent or logical interpretation of Parasara. Both deviate from > > > > > Parasara's teachings. I am quite convinced. > > > > > > > > > > > > At this time, I cannot say anything more on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Viajaya Dasami to all of you! > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > --------- > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > > > tarpana <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > < > > <>> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > " suniljohn_2002 " <suniljohn_2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > Dear Michal, > > > > > > > Michal when we learn a shastra we need to learn by the sanskrit > > > > verses & > > > > > > > quotations of various classics in respect to the variations in > > > > opinions > > > > > > > on a single topic. Unfortunately that is not prevalent in the > > > > cities or > > > > > > > in internet paramparas today. Sanjay uses 8, K N Rao uses 7 - > > > > both find > > > > > > > success in it whereas i find success in 8 as thats what i > > learnt in > > > > > > > internet parampara but thats my personal experience (maybe > > > > biased) which > > > > > > > does not demean the experience of K N Rao who has proved since > > > > decades > > > > > > > that he is one of the best predictors in the business than > > anyone > > > > around > > > > > > > but does that prove his point of being superior in his > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > charakaraka scheme than Sanjays, or vice versa, if one says > > so that > > > > > > > would be a small mans way of talking. Today we talk of > > Sanjay Vs > > > > Rao but > > > > > > > the point is since time immemorial these debates in the > > karakas have > > > > > > > existed and one finds it in Jyotish Phala Ratnamala, > > Sarasangraha and > > > > > > > various other commentaries - unfortunately todays paramparas > > > > cannot even > > > > > > > quote the verses, the way of learning a shastra is to read > > the moola > > > > > > > kitab and also its various commentaries. U can ask any internet > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > Scholar and they wont even know how many commentaries of > > Jaimini are > > > > > > > there considered important. I have asked for this list on > > various > > > > forums > > > > > > > but Internet Paramparas could not answer/guide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See this verse from Parasara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas > > > > > > > 1-2. I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable from > > among the 7 > > > > > > > Grahas, viz. Surya to ´Sani. Some say, that Rahu will become a > > > > > > > Karak, when there is a state of similarity in terms of > > longitude > > > > between > > > > > > > (two) Grahas. Yet some say, that the 8 Grahas, including Rahu, > > > > will have > > > > > > > to be considered irrespective of such a state. > > > > > > > Parasara has shown here that even during his time there were > > two > > > > views, > > > > > > > he does not demean the other view or writer, not even subtly, a > > > > quality > > > > > > > that u find in good people from good family backgrounds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mentioned using the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme you > > said > > > > that > > > > > > > one can use either. That would be great, then I would have > > > > rajyogas in > > > > > > > my chart that I can look forward to! > > > > > > > The other view point which i stated in earlier mail is these > > sect > > > > use 7 > > > > > > > & 8 charakaraka and only when two planets are in same long > > then 8 > > > > comes > > > > > > > into the picture, this is what a scholar from Jaimini > > Lineage who can > > > > > > > trace 14 generations of his parampara use it whereas Sanjay > > uses > > > > 8 and > > > > > > > Rao 7. Also another student of Vemuri who has written 2000 > > pages on > > > > > > > Jaimini astro (finished recently but not yet published) > > uses the > > > > same 7 > > > > > > > & 8. I am sure you know the authority of Vemuri Shastry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I was taught that 7 charakaraka scheme is only for > > those that > > > > > > > can't have children, like buildings and cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you quote the relevant shlokas from various commentaries of > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > which says 7 charakaraka is only for those those who can > > procreate. > > > > > > > Honestly i would love to learn and probe deeper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even i used to debate with seniors outside internet that 8 > > > > charakaraka > > > > > > > is only for humans it is then they quoted the various > > > > commentaries which > > > > > > > show that both schemes have existed since time immemorial & > > > > during those > > > > > > > times it was paramparic way of learning that is memorising and > > > > quoting > > > > > > > shlokas from various commentaries to know the difference of > > viewpoint > > > > > > > and not today when we cant quote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On nostalgia on same topic i had asked K N Rao in 2004 to > > write an > > > > > > > article comparing 7 vs 8 charakaraka on 20 charts for us to > > > > understand > > > > > > > it better but he never did it so far. Maybe some of us can > > do that or > > > > > > > already have done that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for CK replacement in Navamsa, I love to hear new > > methods so > > > > if you > > > > > > > have time could you mention something about how it works. > > > > Ferrante does > > > > > > > not have any planets in the same degree so what is the basis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right click on degrees in Jhora and select Navamsa Degrees, u > > > > will find > > > > > > > in Ferrantes chart some planets in same degrees then his > > life story > > > > > > > falls into picture i guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mentioned using the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme you > > said > > > > that > > > > > > > one can use either. That would be great, then I would have > > > > rajyogas in > > > > > > > my chart that I can look forward to! However I was taught > > that 7 > > > > > > > charakaraka scheme is only for those that can't have > > children, like > > > > > > > buildings and cars. Parasara says that some Astrolgers use > > it. > > > > Can you > > > > > > > explain, based on your understanding and experience how one > > can use > > > > > > > either? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for CK replacement in Navamsa, I love to hear new > > methods so > > > > if you > > > > > > > have time could you mention something about how it works. > > > > Ferrante does > > > > > > > not have any planets in the same degree so what is the basis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:28:37 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - Mafia to > > > > Mensch/His > > > > > > > Time as per birth certificat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, > > > > > > > > I had my software tuned to 7 charakaraka scheme as i was > > using > > > > chara > > > > > > > dasha in previous chart, with that Amk is actually Mars and > > with 8 > > > > > > > charakaraka it is Rahu. One can use either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another interesting thing to note about this chart is that > > there is > > > > > > > charakaraka replacement in his Navamsa, i don't know if Sanjay > > > > uses this > > > > > > > or has taught his students but there are some traditions in > > > > Andhra where > > > > > > > the tradition of Jaimini is prevalent who use charakaraka > > > > replacement in > > > > > > > divisionals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa is also the chart of ones religious bent and > > charakaraka > > > > > > > replacement happening in Navamsa is significant in his life > > > > wherein he > > > > > > > has undergone a religious transformation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> .com, > > > > Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ ..> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, Patheya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is actually the AmK and is the 5th lord conjoined > > exalted > > > > > > > Lagnesha in the 6th house forming a powerful dhimanta yoga > > > > inclined very > > > > > > > much towards the Asuras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th house of partnerships is very interesting - and > > this also > > > > > > > happens to be the 9th from the AL which protects him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ ... > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> .com > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:41:05 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - Mafia to > > > > > > > Mensch/His Time as per birth certificat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > > Dear Patheya, > > > > > > > > > His time of birth is 6 pm as per his birth certificate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the chart looks fine with a 2 min look some yogas seem to > > > > match his > > > > > > > career path though being a mafia don cannot be said with > > certainty by > > > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An easy way to look is Saturn in 7H will destroy his > > career and > > > > > > > transform his religious ideas and most important destroy his > > > > buddhi to > > > > > > > take up to mafia related work. Mars retro being Amk in 2H of > > > > livelihood > > > > > > > rules what he did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter Ketu in 12H also gave him the transformation he > > needed, i > > > > > > > have a friend who has Jupiter Ketu in 8H she transformed from > > > > > > > Christainity to hinduism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others can add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> > > .com, > > > > Patheya Goyal <patheyagoyal@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His name is Louis Ferrante. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Lakshmi Kary lakshmikary@ ... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi Kary lakshmikary@ ... > > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - > > Mafia to > > > > Mensch > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> .com > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, October 5, 2008, 8:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna Dear Patheya, Its possible someone > > has > > > > already > > > > > > > worked on his chart, what is his name? All the best Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patheya Goyal patheyagoyal@ .... wrote: > > Respected > > > > > > > Gurujans, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have partial data about a person who has has > > erstwhile been a > > > > > > > notorious mafia don belonging to the infamous Gambino family > > crime > > > > > > > network. As per the sources I have collected on him, it was by > > > > > > > > > > mid-90s that law and the FBI caught up with him and > > he was > > > > given > > > > > > > a 10 years' sentence. But the blurbs on his books suggest > > that he > > > > spent > > > > > > > about 8 and 1/2 years [one source puts his release time as > > December > > > > > > > 2006] in maximum security federal prison during which time he > > > > read his > > > > > > > first book and underwent life transforming moments through > > certain > > > > > > > encounters. He took to writing and is now an established > > author. > > > > He also > > > > > > > spends time with wayward youth populations now mentoring > > them. I > > > > found > > > > > > > him very articulate, intelligent, and reflective during an > > interview > > > > > > > given to the BBC. I thought there might be interesting and > > certainly > > > > > > > instructive things to learn from his chart. However, I only > > have his > > > > > > > date and place of birth - 13 May 1969, Queens, New York. I was > > > > wondering > > > > > > > if Gurujans will indulge and suggest how we might figure his > > > > chart out? > > > > > > > Looking forward to learning from everyone. Best > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patheya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Dear Sanjay, So good to hear from you, breath of fresh air comes with every word you write! Let me be clear about this: I send my positive energy your way, always, respectfully aware of the fact how precious your teachings have been and how much I owe you!!! Period. This is a constant, fact- all the rest is just about /individual/ variations in reaching the same goal, I believe. I understand your reproaching me, I appreciate that. You often help me get focused, whether you know that or not. I know about my own inclination to be be too 'metaphysical' 'spiritual' and unfocused. I will be always grateful if you would continue to guide me. Diplomacy not required! (neither available?, LOL) But, please have a heart- for me being /narrow-minded sometimes/ 'pragmatic' and eclectic: I've accepted using 8ck and found it working, not putting more serious thoughts since the initial decision. Not an excuse, though. For whatever reasons /my own growth-path, process?/ I've just happened to become increasingly sensitive /and excited about, yes/ to Narasimha's ways of 'growing' in wisdom, knowledge, sharing. and tend to focus my attention to whatever he points his finger on. I love his guidance! Needless to say, I take seriously everything you say- when you say. This 7-8ck issue slipped from my mind, and is reappearing now, like many other issues. I hope this is not the most relevant indicator of the depth of my interest or understanding. I revisit the wealth of information you've given us all the time, one piece at a time. Thank you for guiding me, dear Sanjay. I hope you'll feel my honesty, this way too. I look forward to hearing from you, always. Thinking the very best for you and your Family, Anna --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sjrath Re: 7 & 8 Charakarakasohamsa Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 2:34 AM Dear NarasimhaWake me after after you have reached some distance in this ... Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old materialAnna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believeme there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! I have given this in my papers on Chara Karakas, three THREE Spiritualphilosphies and why each school uses either.Get hold of the book Collected Papers and its all there ...OK ...Narasimha good lagnas to get going and please don't tell me younow use Mercury retrograde for your decisions?!! So you too havejoined the Sarbani club of Mercury retro checking.Anyway I am taking a real pooja break and this pooja has been grandCarry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said,then ...wake me upSanjay--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Narasimha Rao <pvr wrote:> Namaste Sanjay,> > > I hope I get it in this lifetime.> > :-)> > I wanted to get the ball rolling in Pisces lagna on Vijaya Dasami day.> Though retrograde Mercury in 7th with 6th lord and Venus-Mars> combination in 8th shows problems due to this move, I had faith in> lagna lord Jupiter in 10th.> > I wanted to follow it up in detail only after Mercury's retrogression> ends. But I made up my mind to give an "opening statement" today in Sg> lagna with Jupiter exactly on lagna.> > * * *> > The first two verses of the chapter on karakas go as:> > athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn .h |> saptaravyAdishanyan tAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn .h || 1||> aMshaiH samau grahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan. h chintayet.h tadA |> saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2||> > This can be translated literally as: "Now I am speaking about seven> planets from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu, acting as the> significators of self etc. If two planets are equal by degrees, then> upto Rahu should be thought of. Thus, only seven significators [in> some] and eight in some are considered."> > Thus, Parasara opened the discussion of karakas with a simple and> straight-forward introduction. Most people today either consider 7> planets always or 8 planets always. Parasara actually defined a clear> condition to decide when seven karakas are used and when eight karakas> are used. The decision should change from chart to chart based on what> he said.> > I will continue after Mercury's retrogression ends.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Namaste Sanjay, I am not asking for your "indulgence every evening". I am only correcting your comment on my post. You said what I wrote had nothing new and 5000+ people already knew and used it. This is misleading and incorrect. What I clearly stated was that 8 chara karakas are used in charts where 2 planets are in the same degree and 7 chara karakas in other charts. That is definitely not what you ever taught and that is definitely not what 5000+ people already know and use. I am only correcting a factual error in your comment on my post. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> OK so that's the point you are making ...> > Let me sum up the point so far> > 1. You agree that there are three possibilities as taught by my> tradition (or are you saying more than this?)> 2. You are not agreeing with either of the other two schools which use> ONLY one chara karaka scheme i.e. 7 CK or 8 CK (only one and not both) ...so> far so good> 3. Now the point of difference ... I am saying that the 7 CK is to be> used for mundane charts while 8 CK for living beings (correction here> Narasimha, not just human beings ... all living beings that can procreate)> That is definition of the Putra karaka as given in my tradition.> 4. You say that *sometimes* 7 CK is to be used and *sometimes* 8 CK is> to be used ...> 5. What you are NOT saying is whether this is applicable for people,> AND/or animals also and/or mundane charts> 6. What you are not saying is what you will probably say later ...how> to find all this out> > Now instead of making this a small bed time story, please take the trouble> of writing all that you have to say together and give us a detailed paper. I> don't want to deal with this serious subject in this haphazard manner. If> you are serious then you will do, as all scholars do and present us with a> paper which is well considered and well referenced (or quoted) either.> > Till then ...> > Do not insist on my indulgence every evening and instead let me consider> your paper seriously when you are ready> > Good Night> > Sanjay> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> 11 October 2008 20:57> sohamsa > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka> > > > Namaste Sanjay,> > > > > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material> > Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe> > me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! > > > > You are totally missing the point. When you taught that Parasara used both> both 7 and 8 chara karakas, the line you took was so different. You said 8> chara karakas are used for people and 7 chara karakas in mundane charts.> > > > That is NOT what I am saying. Even in natal horoscopy of human beings, I am> saying that 7 chara karakas are to be used in the charts of some people and> 8 chara karakas in the charts of some people. I am also saying that Parasara> gave a clear horoscope-based rule for deciding when 7 karakas are to be used> and when 8 karakas are to be used.> > > > To the best of my knowledge, this is NOT what "5000+ astrologers out there"> know or use. Your followers use 8 chara karakas in all human charts.> Followers of Sri KN Rao use 7 chara karakas in all charts. There are> probably a handful (or none) who use what I am saying.> > > > > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said,> > then ...wake me up> > > I have already deviated a big deal fundamentally, from what you said. Looks> like you haven't fully woken up! ;-)> > > > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Dear Narasimha> > Wake me after after you have reached some distance in this ... > > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material> > Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe> > me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! > > I have given this in my papers on Chara Karakas, three THREE Spiritual> > philosphies and why each school uses either.> > Get hold of the book Collected Papers and its all there ...> > OK ...Narasimha good lagnas to get going and please don't tell me you> > now use Mercury retrograde for your decisions?!! So you too have> > joined the Sarbani club of Mercury retro checking.> > Anyway I am taking a real pooja break and this pooja has been grand> > > > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said,> > then ...wake me up> > Sanjay> > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Narasimha Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > > > Namaste Sanjay,> > > > > > > I hope I get it in this lifetime.> > > > > > :-)> > > > > > I wanted to get the ball rolling in Pisces lagna on Vijaya Dasami day.> > > Though retrograde Mercury in 7th with 6th lord and Venus-Mars> > > combination in 8th shows problems due to this move, I had faith in> > > lagna lord Jupiter in 10th.> > > > > > I wanted to follow it up in detail only after Mercury's retrogression> > > ends. But I made up my mind to give an "opening statement" today in Sg> > > lagna with Jupiter exactly on lagna.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > The first two verses of the chapter on karakas go as:> > > > > > athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn .h |> > > saptaravyAdishanyan tAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn .h || 1||> > > aMshaiH samau grahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan. h chintayet.h tadA |> > > saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2||> > > > > > This can be translated literally as: "Now I am speaking about seven> > > planets from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu, acting as the> > > significators of self etc. If two planets are equal by degrees, then> > > upto Rahu should be thought of. Thus, only seven significators [in> > > some] and eight in some are considered."> > > > > > Thus, Parasara opened the discussion of karakas with a simple and> > > straight-forward introduction. Most people today either consider 7> > > planets always or 8 planets always. Parasara actually defined a clear> > > condition to decide when seven karakas are used and when eight karakas> > > are used. The decision should change from chart to chart based on what> > > he said.> > > > > > I will continue after Mercury's retrogression ends.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 All right then, when I can see your paper? After Mercury retrogression ends? Love/Sanjay sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 12 October 2008 02:49 sohamsa Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka Namaste Sanjay, I am not asking for your " indulgence every evening " . I am only correcting your comment on my post. You said what I wrote had nothing new and 5000+ people already knew and used it. This is misleading and incorrect. What I clearly stated was that 8 chara karakas are used in charts where 2 planets are in the same degree and 7 chara karakas in other charts. That is definitely not what you ever taught and that is definitely not what 5000+ people already know and use. I am only correcting a factual error in your comment on my post. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- In sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > OK so that's the point you are making ... > > Let me sum up the point so far > > 1. You agree that there are three possibilities as taught by my > tradition (or are you saying more than this?) > 2. You are not agreeing with either of the other two schools which use > ONLY one chara karaka scheme i.e. 7 CK or 8 CK (only one and not both) ....so > far so good > 3. Now the point of difference ... I am saying that the 7 CK is to be > used for mundane charts while 8 CK for living beings (correction here > Narasimha, not just human beings ... all living beings that can procreate) > That is definition of the Putra karaka as given in my tradition. > 4. You say that *sometimes* 7 CK is to be used and *sometimes* 8 CK is > to be used ... > 5. What you are NOT saying is whether this is applicable for people, > AND/or animals also and/or mundane charts > 6. What you are not saying is what you will probably say later ...how > to find all this out > > Now instead of making this a small bed time story, please take the trouble > of writing all that you have to say together and give us a detailed paper. I > don't want to deal with this serious subject in this haphazard manner. If > you are serious then you will do, as all scholars do and present us with a > paper which is well considered and well referenced (or quoted) either. > > Till then ... > > Do not insist on my indulgence every evening and instead let me consider > your paper seriously when you are ready > > Good Night > > Sanjay > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 11 October 2008 20:57 > sohamsa > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka > > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material > > Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe > > me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! > > > > You are totally missing the point. When you taught that Parasara used both > both 7 and 8 chara karakas, the line you took was so different. You said 8 > chara karakas are used for people and 7 chara karakas in mundane charts. > > > > That is NOT what I am saying. Even in natal horoscopy of human beings, I am > saying that 7 chara karakas are to be used in the charts of some people and > 8 chara karakas in the charts of some people. I am also saying that Parasara > gave a clear horoscope-based rule for deciding when 7 karakas are to be used > and when 8 karakas are to be used. > > > > To the best of my knowledge, this is NOT what " 5000+ astrologers out there " > know or use. Your followers use 8 chara karakas in all human charts. > Followers of Sri KN Rao use 7 chara karakas in all charts. There are > probably a handful (or none) who use what I am saying. > > > > > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said, > > then ...wake me up > > > I have already deviated a big deal fundamentally, from what you said. Looks > like you haven't fully woken up! ;-) > > > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > Dear Narasimha > > Wake me after after you have reached some distance in this ... > > Parasara uses both 7 and 8 charakaraka ...that's 5 years old material > > Anna, if this is the first time you got to know of this, then believe > > me there are at least 5000+ astrologers out there who already know this! > > I have given this in my papers on Chara Karakas, three THREE Spiritual > > philosphies and why each school uses either. > > Get hold of the book Collected Papers and its all there ... > > OK ...Narasimha good lagnas to get going and please don't tell me you > > now use Mercury retrograde for your decisions?!! So you too have > > joined the Sarbani club of Mercury retro checking. > > Anyway I am taking a real pooja break and this pooja has been grand > > > > Carry the thread along. when you deviate from anything I have said, > > then ...wake me up > > Sanjay > > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Narasimha Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > > > > I hope I get it in this lifetime. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > I wanted to get the ball rolling in Pisces lagna on Vijaya Dasami day. > > > Though retrograde Mercury in 7th with 6th lord and Venus-Mars > > > combination in 8th shows problems due to this move, I had faith in > > > lagna lord Jupiter in 10th. > > > > > > I wanted to follow it up in detail only after Mercury's retrogression > > > ends. But I made up my mind to give an " opening statement " today in Sg > > > lagna with Jupiter exactly on lagna. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > The first two verses of the chapter on karakas go as: > > > > > > athA.ahaM sampravaxyAmi grahAnAtmAdikArakAn .h | > > > saptaravyAdishanyan tAn.h rAhvantAn.h vA.ashhTasaMkhyakAn .h || 1|| > > > aMshaiH samau grahau dvau ched.hrAhvantan. h chintayet.h tadA | > > > saptaiva kArakAnevaM kechidashhTau prachaxate || 2|| > > > > > > This can be translated literally as: " Now I am speaking about seven > > > planets from Sun to Saturn or eight planets upto Rahu, acting as the > > > significators of self etc. If two planets are equal by degrees, then > > > upto Rahu should be thought of. Thus, only seven significators [in > > > some] and eight in some are considered. " > > > > > > Thus, Parasara opened the discussion of karakas with a simple and > > > straight-forward introduction. Most people today either consider 7 > > > planets always or 8 planets always. Parasara actually defined a clear > > > condition to decide when seven karakas are used and when eight karakas > > > are used. The decision should change from chart to chart based on what > > > he said. > > > > > > I will continue after Mercury's retrogression ends. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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