Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Dear Sanjay, From a discussion with you in New Jersey in October 2005, I understand that you presented the same Kalachakra dasa presented in our joint paper in a different light at the conference. My understanding is that the actual end result of calculations was not changed by you, but the philosophical spin was different and you presented the same thing in a different way. You did NOT mention any difference in the actual calculation itself when we discussed. Are the dasa tables for any nakshatra pada different from what was listed in our joint paper? You did not seem to be saying that when we discussed this. If my understanding is incorrect, please give me any document you have or simply mention one example naskahtra pada. Philosophical differences or differences in packaging are irrelevant to me. The only thing of interest to me is whether or not the end result of actual calculations changes for any nakshatra pada, compared to our joint paper. If there is really a difference in calculations, I will be happy to add your version to JHora. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Dear Narasimha> > That story needs to end correctly> > I was convinced that the calculations and Iterationmethod you deciphered> from Raghavacharya were not accurate therefore in the Mumbai conference *You> can hear the recordings* I DID NOT present the paper that was published in> the Jyotish Digest as *joint paper of Sanjay and Narasimha*. I presented a> *completely different* paper and taught the foundations of KCD.> > The complete KALACHAKRA DASA teaching was done in LONDON to *Gordon Brennan,> Geoffrey Pierce...and others* in a private class. They are totally different> from what you are talking about and even completely different from> Raghavacharya and others.> > It uses the two *savya* and *apasavya* chakra and the daa and antardasa can> be *counted on finger tips*. While I can do that I took great please in> seeing Gordon and others also do that.> > I know that if you had to program it you would, but its ok. I think it will> soon available in perfect form in *Sri Jyoti Star*> > Thank you> > Sanjay> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> 11 October 2008 03:41> sohamsa > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka> > > > Namaste,> > > > There is a little history on Kalachakra dasa.> > > > When Sanjay ji visited my house a few years ago (I think in 2004), I showed> him a Telugu language book by Raghavacharya called "Kalachakra dasa". I> tried to decipher Raghavacharya's teaching in that book and explain it to> Sanjay. Sanjay found the iteration method I deciphered from the book quite> brilliant and instantly decided that we would present a paper at the> upcoming SJC conference in India. I thought we were rushing, but consented.> At that time, I had only figured out savya nakshatras and yet to figure out> apasavya nakshatras. Sanjay ji asked me to finish it, write a paper and send> it. After Sanjay ji left, I sent the paper as well updated JHora. Our joint> paper was presented by Sanjay ji at the conference. I added it in JHora as> "Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC Conference)".> > > > However, after a little more work on deciphering this, I realized that I had> made a crucial mistake. Then evolved my final understanding, which IMHO is> consistent with BPHS too. I added it to JHora as "Raghavacharya Method> (navamsa progression)". When adding this, I consolidated various methods in> the software and cleaned up the software. In the process, I broke the code> of the previous method. The version in JHora was inconsistent with what was> taught in our joint paper.> > > > But, I was not motivated to fix it. The way I looked at it, this version of> Kalachakra dasa in our joint paper was based on a half-baked understanding> of mine. It was not based on the teachings of Achyuta parampara or Sanjay's> research. It was based on my half-baked interpretation of Raghavacharya's> teaching and hence not really useful. Thus, I was not motivated to fix it. I> can *try* to fix it in the next release.> > > > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> >> > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > Dear Narasimhaji , Namaskar> > > > Yes, but Vistiji said me that Tara and Kalachakra dasas which he was > > taught by Sanjayji are not there, so therefore my querry/request.> > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@> > > > Narasimha Rao pisze:> > >> > > Namaste Rafal,> > >> > > Of course, the settings Sanjay ji prefers w.r.t. sunrise, Moola dasa> > > calculation etc are all there in Jagannatha Hora. I may add new> > > options after studying Parasara (e.g. drigdasa) or others (e.g.> > > Raghavacharya's kalachakra dasa), but I do not get rid of Sanjay ji's> > > versions.> > >> > > The thing with Tara dasa is that Sanjay ji said contradictory things> > > to me at different times and I have coded his *latest* teaching to me.> > > For the record, Tara dasa is not one of the dasas where I hold an> > > independent view. I have no problem changing it based on Sanjay ji's> > > latest view, if I can be educated on it. Whatever is there in software> > > is what he communicated last to me.> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > -------------------------> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > Spirituality: > > > <>> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > -------------------------> > >> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote:> > > >> > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya*> > > > Dear Narasimhaji , Namaskar> > > >> > > > It would be quite good to add Sanjayji settings in JHora to allow> > > people> > > > choose whatever settings they put faith in. What do you think ?> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher> > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@> > > >> > > > Sanjay Rath pisze:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > >> > > > > For too long do we wait for your **few days** and you always get> away> > > > > with using smart words. That's OK with Mercury lagna but it still> > > does> > > > > not clear the air.> > > > >> > > > > The sunrise definition is **not mine** but adopted from Varahamihira> > > > > (definition of Barhaspatya Varsha) ... Dewavrata or someone who is> > > > > good with Panchanga an give this to you.> > > > >> > > > > Definition of Moola Dasha ... once again, I had to teach it way back> > > > > in 2002 in Ukiah and it has been 6 years and you are still tinkering> > > > > with it.> > > > >> > > > > Tara Dasha ... you have made a complete mess of it in the latest> > > > > J-Hora 7.02> > > > >> > > > > Ayanamsha ...thank God that I stopped you from coming out with> > > another> > > > > Narasimha Ayanamsha ..but now you have come to some level of> > > > > understanding with the Vishnu nabhi which makes the nodes retro all> > > > > the time ...good. Thats your pace, but that ayanamsha is also wrong.> > > > >> > > > > The Kalachakra dasha given in J-Hora is your interpretation and is> > > > > also completely wrong.> > > > >> > > > > Finally, it is worth praying to Jagannath to get the **Big Picture**> > > > > as He alone with His big round eyes gets the big picture ...and does> > > > > not leave out any shloka nor does He interpret it so narrowly that> > > > > leaves wide gaps between the other shlokas. Of course, what you will> > > > > end up doing, which you have been consistently, is, tinkering with> my> > > > > paper. Lets wait to see your story. I hope I get it in this> lifetime.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Best Wishes> > > > >> > > > > Sanjay> > > > >> > > > > P.S. I am still waiting for the JHora to be made opens source so> that> > > > > other programmers can use it for development of Mac version and> other> > > > > development. When do you think this is likely to happen? 2007 is> long> > > > > gone and we are well into the end of 2008. Let go Narasimha ...let> go> > > > > of it. Is it so difficult? If you have to give something for> > > > > Jagannath, give it totally and completely ...make the software Open> > > > > Source!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ** sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa]> > > > > *On Behalf Of *Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > *Sent:* 10 October 2008 09:24> > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > > > > *Subject:* Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Sanjay,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Once again you have come with a loaded statement without> > > giving the> > > > > > > technicalities.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > :-) To my knowledge, this is actually the *first* time I have indeed> > > > > given a "loaded statement" without giving the technicalities.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Whether it was the sunrise definition or Moola dasa calculation or> > > > > drigdasa calculation or Kalachakra dasa calculation or argala of> Rahu> > > > > and Ketu or something else, I always gave the technicalities when I> > > > > disagreed with you. So it is unfair to say "once again".> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I will give the technicalities after a few days. I am interested in> > > > > seeing if anybody else can take a fresh look at the verses of> > > Parasara> > > > > without being influenced by the existing views and come up with a> > > > > consistent interpretation that does not ignore some verses of the> > > > > maharshi in the name of "big picture".> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > > Narasimha> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > ---------> > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>>> > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>>> > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > > > > <>>> > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>>> > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>>> > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>>> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > ---------> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>>,> > > > > "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > > >> > > > > > Once again you have come with a loaded statement without giving> the> > > > > > technicalities. I have given a very detailed exposition of> > > Parashara> > > > > in my> > > > > > paper on Charakaraka which is available inmy books as well. To> > > say that I> > > > > > have not translated Parashara is wrong. I may not have> > > translated BPHS in> > > > > > totality but I have interpreted and translated Parashara in BPHS> in> > > > > various> > > > > > aspects related to jyotisha including the charakaraka. So, in> > > this regard> > > > > > your statement is incorrect and should be withdrawn. To see> > > individual> > > > > > slokas and interpret them without the others is the biggest> > > curse to an> > > > > > astrologer. You have to get the big picture and for this have to> > > take> > > > > *all> > > > > > the shlokas* together and study them. I have done exactly this.> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not think anybody else in this world, other than giving> > > parrot like> > > > > > useless loaded statements, has done any justice to this subject of> > > > > > charakaraka.> > > > > >> > > > > > As regards K N Rao, he can speak up for himself.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best Reagrds> > > > > >> > > > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>>> > > > > [sohamsa] On Behalf Of> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > > > 10 October 2008 08:21> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>>> > > > > > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste Lakshmi and others,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > In case the adjectives used in the following sentence caused> > > > > discomfort, I> > > > > > can clarify:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > "The translations available are terrible, illogical and do not do> > > > > justice to> > > > > > Parasara's verses at all."> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Neither Sri KN Rao nor Pt Sanjay Rath published any translations> > > of BPHS.> > > > > > The adjectives in the above sentence relate to BPHS translations> by> > > > > > Santhanam and others.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > ---------> > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>>> > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> > > tarpana> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>>> > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > > > > <>>> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>>> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>>> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>>> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > ---------> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>>,> > > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In my humble opinion, neither Sri KN Rao nor Pt Sanjay Rath> > > got it> > > > > right.> > > > > > The verses of Parasara are quite complex. The translations> > > available are> > > > > > terrible, illogical and do not do justice to Parasara's verses> > > at all.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One CAN give a consistent and logical interpretation of> > > Parasara's> > > > > verses.> > > > > > Neither Sri KN Rao's teachings nor Pt Sanjay Rath's teachings are> > > > > based on a> > > > > > consistent or logical interpretation of Parasara. Both deviate> from> > > > > > Parasara's teachings. I am quite convinced.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > At this time, I cannot say anything more on this topic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Happy Viajaya Dasami to all of you!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > > > ---------> > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> homam> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>>> > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/> > > > > tarpana <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>>> > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > > > > <>>> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>>> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>>> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>>> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > > > ---------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>,> > > > > "suniljohn_2002" <suniljohn_2002@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru> > > > > > > > Dear Michal,> > > > > > > > Michal when we learn a shastra we need to learn by the> sanskrit> > > > > verses & > > > > > > > > quotations of various classics in respect to the variations in> > > > > opinions> > > > > > > > on a single topic. Unfortunately that is not prevalent in the> > > > > cities or> > > > > > > > in internet paramparas today. Sanjay uses 8, K N Rao uses 7 -> > > > > both find> > > > > > > > success in it whereas i find success in 8 as thats what i> > > learnt in> > > > > > > > internet parampara but thats my personal experience (maybe> > > > > biased) which> > > > > > > > does not demean the experience of K N Rao who has proved since> > > > > decades> > > > > > > > that he is one of the best predictors in the business than> > > anyone> > > > > around> > > > > > > > but does that prove his point of being superior in his> > > > > understanding of> > > > > > > > charakaraka scheme than Sanjays, or vice versa, if one says> > > so that> > > > > > > > would be a small mans way of talking. Today we talk of> > > Sanjay Vs> > > > > Rao but> > > > > > > > the point is since time immemorial these debates in the> > > karakas have> > > > > > > > existed and one finds it in Jyotish Phala Ratnamala,> > > Sarasangraha and> > > > > > > > various other commentaries - unfortunately todays paramparas> > > > > cannot even> > > > > > > > quote the verses, the way of learning a shastra is to read> > > the moola> > > > > > > > kitab and also its various commentaries. U can ask any> internet> > > > > Jaimini> > > > > > > > Scholar and they wont even know how many commentaries of> > > Jaimini are> > > > > > > > there considered important. I have asked for this list on> > > various> > > > > forums> > > > > > > > but Internet Paramparas could not answer/guide.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > See this verse from Parasara> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas> > > > > > > > 1-2. I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable from> > > among the 7> > > > > > > > Grahas, viz. Surya to ´Sani. Some say, that Rahu will become a> > > > > > > > Karak, when there is a state of similarity in terms of> > > longitude> > > > > between> > > > > > > > (two) Grahas. Yet some say, that the 8 Grahas, including Rahu,> > > > > will have> > > > > > > > to be considered irrespective of such a state.> > > > > > > > Parasara has shown here that even during his time there were> > > two> > > > > views,> > > > > > > > he does not demean the other view or writer, not even subtly,> a> > > > > quality> > > > > > > > that u find in good people from good family backgrounds.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > When you mentioned using the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme you> > > said> > > > > that> > > > > > > > one can use either. That would be great, then I would have> > > > > rajyogas in> > > > > > > > my chart that I can look forward to!> > > > > > > > The other view point which i stated in earlier mail is these> > > sect> > > > > use 7> > > > > > > > & 8 charakaraka and only when two planets are in same long> > > then 8> > > > > comes> > > > > > > > into the picture, this is what a scholar from Jaimini> > > Lineage who can> > > > > > > > trace 14 generations of his parampara use it whereas Sanjay> > > uses> > > > > 8 and> > > > > > > > Rao 7. Also another student of Vemuri who has written 2000> > > pages on> > > > > > > > Jaimini astro (finished recently but not yet published)> > > uses the> > > > > same 7> > > > > > > > & 8. I am sure you know the authority of Vemuri Shastry.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > However I was taught that 7 charakaraka scheme is only for> > > those that> > > > > > > > can't have children, like buildings and cars.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Can you quote the relevant shlokas from various commentaries> of> > > > > Jaimini> > > > > > > > which says 7 charakaraka is only for those those who can> > > procreate.> > > > > > > > Honestly i would love to learn and probe deeper.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Even i used to debate with seniors outside internet that 8> > > > > charakaraka> > > > > > > > is only for humans it is then they quoted the various> > > > > commentaries which> > > > > > > > show that both schemes have existed since time immemorial & > > > > > during those> > > > > > > > times it was paramparic way of learning that is memorising and> > > > > quoting> > > > > > > > shlokas from various commentaries to know the difference of> > > viewpoint> > > > > > > > and not today when we cant quote.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On nostalgia on same topic i had asked K N Rao in 2004 to> > > write an> > > > > > > > article comparing 7 vs 8 charakaraka on 20 charts for us to> > > > > understand> > > > > > > > it better but he never did it so far. Maybe some of us can> > > do that or> > > > > > > > already have done that.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As for CK replacement in Navamsa, I love to hear new> > > methods so> > > > > if you> > > > > > > > have time could you mention something about how it works.> > > > > Ferrante does> > > > > > > > not have any planets in the same degree so what is the basis?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Right click on degrees in Jhora and select Navamsa Degrees, u> > > > > will find> > > > > > > > in Ferrantes chart some planets in same degrees then his> > > life story> > > > > > > > falls into picture i guess.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes> > > > > > > > Sunil John> > > > > > > > Mumbai> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com> > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>,> > > > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > When you mentioned using the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme you> > > said> > > > > that> > > > > > > > one can use either. That would be great, then I would have> > > > > rajyogas in> > > > > > > > my chart that I can look forward to! However I was taught> > > that 7> > > > > > > > charakaraka scheme is only for those that can't have> > > children, like> > > > > > > > buildings and cars. Parasara says that some Astrolgers use> > > it.> > > > > Can you> > > > > > > > explain, based on your understanding and experience how one> > > can use> > > > > > > > either?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As for CK replacement in Navamsa, I love to hear new> > > methods so> > > > > if you> > > > > > > > have time could you mention something about how it works.> > > > > Ferrante does> > > > > > > > not have any planets in the same degree so what is the basis?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > > > > Michal> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@> > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:28:37 PM> > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - Mafia to> > > > > Mensch/His> > > > > > > > Time as per birth certificat> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru> > > > > > > > > Dear Michal,> > > > > > > > > I had my software tuned to 7 charakaraka scheme as i was> > > using> > > > > chara> > > > > > > > dasha in previous chart, with that Amk is actually Mars and> > > with 8> > > > > > > > charakaraka it is Rahu. One can use either.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Another interesting thing to note about this chart is that> > > there is> > > > > > > > charakaraka replacement in his Navamsa, i don't know if Sanjay> > > > > uses this> > > > > > > > or has taught his students but there are some traditions in> > > > > Andhra where> > > > > > > > the tradition of Jaimini is prevalent who use charakaraka> > > > > replacement in> > > > > > > > divisionals.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Navamsa is also the chart of ones religious bent and> > > charakaraka> > > > > > > > replacement happening in Navamsa is significant in his life> > > > > wherein he> > > > > > > > has undergone a religious transformation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Sunil John> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@>> .com,> > > > > Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ ..>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, Patheya,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rahu is actually the AmK and is the 5th lord conjoined> > > exalted> > > > > > > > Lagnesha in the 6th house forming a powerful dhimanta yoga> > > > > inclined very> > > > > > > > much towards the Asuras.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The 7th house of partnerships is very interesting - and> > > this also> > > > > > > > happens to be the 9th from the AL which protects him.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > > > > > Michal> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ ...> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> .com> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:41:05 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - Mafia> to> > > > > > > > Mensch/His Time as per birth certificat> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru> > > > > > > > > > Dear Patheya,> > > > > > > > > > His time of birth is 6 pm as per his birth certificate.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the chart looks fine with a 2 min look some yogas seem to> > > > > match his> > > > > > > > career path though being a mafia don cannot be said with> > > certainty by> > > > > > > > anyone.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > An easy way to look is Saturn in 7H will destroy his> > > career and> > > > > > > > transform his religious ideas and most important destroy his> > > > > buddhi to> > > > > > > > take up to mafia related work. Mars retro being Amk in 2H of> > > > > livelihood> > > > > > > > rules what he did> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter Ketu in 12H also gave him the transformation he> > > needed, i> > > > > > > > have a friend who has Jupiter Ketu in 8H she transformed from> > > > > > > > Christainity to hinduism.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Others can add> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes> > > > > > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@>> > > .com,> > > > > Patheya Goyal <patheyagoyal@ ...>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > His name is Louis Ferrante.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Patheya> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Lakshmi Kary lakshmikary@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi Kary lakshmikary@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case -> > > Mafia to> > > > > Mensch> > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@>> .com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, October 5, 2008, 8:52 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna Dear Patheya, Its possible someone> > > has> > > > > already> > > > > > > > worked on his chart, what is his name? All the best Lakshmi> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Patheya Goyal patheyagoyal@ ... wrote:> > > Respected> > > > > > > > Gurujans,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have partial data about a person who has has> > > erstwhile been a> > > > > > > > notorious mafia don belonging to the infamous Gambino family> > > crime> > > > > > > > network. As per the sources I have collected on him, it was by> > > > > > > > > > > mid-90s that law and the FBI caught up with him and> > > he was> > > > > given> > > > > > > > a 10 years' sentence. But the blurbs on his books suggest> > > that he> > > > > spent> > > > > > > > about 8 and 1/2 years [one source puts his release time as> > > December> > > > > > > > 2006] in maximum security federal prison during which time he> > > > > read his> > > > > > > > first book and underwent life transforming moments through> > > certain> > > > > > > > encounters. He took to writing and is now an established> > > author.> > > > > He also> > > > > > > > spends time with wayward youth populations now mentoring> > > them. I> > > > > found> > > > > > > > him very articulate, intelligent, and reflective during an> > > interview> > > > > > > > given to the BBC. I thought there might be interesting and> > > certainly> > > > > > > > instructive things to learn from his chart. However, I only> > > have his> > > > > > > > date and place of birth - 13 May 1969, Queens, New York. I was> > > > > wondering> > > > > > > > if Gurujans will indulge and suggest how we might figure his> > > > > chart out?> > > > > > > > Looking forward to learning from everyone. Best> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Patheya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 There is a difference Narasimha I will write it down around the time when you finish your paper on Charakaraka J Love/Sanjay sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. Rao 12 October 2008 02:48 sohamsa Kalachakra dasa (Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka) Dear Sanjay, From a discussion with you in New Jersey in October 2005, I understand that you presented the same Kalachakra dasa presented in our joint paper in a different light at the conference. My understanding is that the actual end result of calculations was not changed by you, but the philosophical spin was different and you presented the same thing in a different way. You did NOT mention any difference in the actual calculation itself when we discussed. Are the dasa tables for any nakshatra pada different from what was listed in our joint paper? You did not seem to be saying that when we discussed this. If my understanding is incorrect, please give me any document you have or simply mention one example naskahtra pada. Philosophical differences or differences in packaging are irrelevant to me. The only thing of interest to me is whether or not the end result of actual calculations changes for any nakshatra pada, compared to our joint paper. If there is really a difference in calculations, I will be happy to add your version to JHora. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org --- In sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Dear Narasimha > > That story needs to end correctly > > I was convinced that the calculations and Iterationmethod you deciphered > from Raghavacharya were not accurate therefore in the Mumbai conference *You > can hear the recordings* I DID NOT present the paper that was published in > the Jyotish Digest as *joint paper of Sanjay and Narasimha*. I presented a > *completely different* paper and taught the foundations of KCD. > > The complete KALACHAKRA DASA teaching was done in LONDON to *Gordon Brennan, > Geoffrey Pierce...and others* in a private class. They are totally different > from what you are talking about and even completely different from > Raghavacharya and others. > > It uses the two *savya* and *apasavya* chakra and the daa and antardasa can > be *counted on finger tips*. While I can do that I took great please in > seeing Gordon and others also do that. > > I know that if you had to program it you would, but its ok. I think it will > soon available in perfect form in *Sri Jyoti Star* > > Thank you > > Sanjay > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 11 October 2008 03:41 > sohamsa > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka > > > > Namaste, > > > > There is a little history on Kalachakra dasa. > > > > When Sanjay ji visited my house a few years ago (I think in 2004), I showed > him a Telugu language book by Raghavacharya called " Kalachakra dasa " . I > tried to decipher Raghavacharya's teaching in that book and explain it to > Sanjay. Sanjay found the iteration method I deciphered from the book quite > brilliant and instantly decided that we would present a paper at the > upcoming SJC conference in India. I thought we were rushing, but consented. > At that time, I had only figured out savya nakshatras and yet to figure out > apasavya nakshatras. Sanjay ji asked me to finish it, write a paper and send > it. After Sanjay ji left, I sent the paper as well updated JHora. Our joint > paper was presented by Sanjay ji at the conference. I added it in JHora as > " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC Conference) " . > > > > However, after a little more work on deciphering this, I realized that I had > made a crucial mistake. Then evolved my final understanding, which IMHO is > consistent with BPHS too. I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya Method > (navamsa progression) " . When adding this, I consolidated various methods in > the software and cleaned up the software. In the process, I broke the code > of the previous method. The version in JHora was inconsistent with what was > taught in our joint paper. > > > > But, I was not motivated to fix it. The way I looked at it, this version of > Kalachakra dasa in our joint paper was based on a half-baked understanding > of mine. It was not based on the teachings of Achyuta parampara or Sanjay's > research. It was based on my half-baked interpretation of Raghavacharya's > teaching and hence not really useful. Thus, I was not motivated to fix it. I > can *try* to fix it in the next release. > > > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > Dear Narasimhaji , Namaskar > > > > Yes, but Vistiji said me that Tara and Kalachakra dasas which he was > > taught by Sanjayji are not there, so therefore my querry/request. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal@ > > > > Narasimha Rao pisze: > > > > > > Namaste Rafal, > > > > > > Of course, the settings Sanjay ji prefers w.r.t. sunrise, Moola dasa > > > calculation etc are all there in Jagannatha Hora. I may add new > > > options after studying Parasara (e.g. drigdasa) or others (e.g. > > > Raghavacharya's kalachakra dasa), but I do not get rid of Sanjay ji's > > > versions. > > > > > > The thing with Tara dasa is that Sanjay ji said contradictory things > > > to me at different times and I have coded his *latest* teaching to me. > > > For the record, Tara dasa is not one of the dasas where I hold an > > > independent view. I have no problem changing it based on Sanjay ji's > > > latest view, if I can be educated on it. Whatever is there in software > > > is what he communicated last to me. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > Spirituality: > > > <> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > > > > Dear Narasimhaji , Namaskar > > > > > > > > It would be quite good to add Sanjayji settings in JHora to allow > > > people > > > > choose whatever settings they put faith in. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > > > > www: http://rohinaa.com <http://rohinaa.com> / email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath pisze: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > For too long do we wait for your **few days** and you always get > away > > > > > with using smart words. That's OK with Mercury lagna but it still > > > does > > > > > not clear the air. > > > > > > > > > > The sunrise definition is **not mine** but adopted from Varahamihira > > > > > (definition of Barhaspatya Varsha) ... Dewavrata or someone who is > > > > > good with Panchanga an give this to you. > > > > > > > > > > Definition of Moola Dasha ... once again, I had to teach it way back > > > > > in 2002 in Ukiah and it has been 6 years and you are still tinkering > > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > Tara Dasha ... you have made a complete mess of it in the latest > > > > > J-Hora 7.02 > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsha ...thank God that I stopped you from coming out with > > > another > > > > > Narasimha Ayanamsha ..but now you have come to some level of > > > > > understanding with the Vishnu nabhi which makes the nodes retro all > > > > > the time ...good. Thats your pace, but that ayanamsha is also wrong. > > > > > > > > > > The Kalachakra dasha given in J-Hora is your interpretation and is > > > > > also completely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Finally, it is worth praying to Jagannath to get the **Big Picture** > > > > > as He alone with His big round eyes gets the big picture ...and does > > > > > not leave out any shloka nor does He interpret it so narrowly that > > > > > leaves wide gaps between the other shlokas. Of course, what you will > > > > > end up doing, which you have been consistently, is, tinkering with > my > > > > > paper. Lets wait to see your story. I hope I get it in this > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > P.S. I am still waiting for the JHora to be made opens source so > that > > > > > other programmers can use it for development of Mac version and > other > > > > > development. When do you think this is likely to happen? 2007 is > long > > > > > gone and we are well into the end of 2008. Let go Narasimha ...let > go > > > > > of it. Is it so difficult? If you have to give something for > > > > > Jagannath, give it totally and completely ...make the software Open > > > > > Source! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** sohamsa@ ..com [sohamsa] > > > > > *On Behalf Of *Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > > *Sent:* 10 October 2008 09:24 > > > > > *To:* sohamsa@ ..com > > > > > *Subject:* Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sanjay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you have come with a loaded statement without > > > giving the > > > > > > > technicalities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) To my knowledge, this is actually the *first* time I have indeed > > > > > given a " loaded statement " without giving the technicalities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether it was the sunrise definition or Moola dasa calculation or > > > > > drigdasa calculation or Kalachakra dasa calculation or argala of > Rahu > > > > > and Ketu or something else, I always gave the technicalities when I > > > > > disagreed with you. So it is unfair to say " once again " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give the technicalities after a few days. I am interested in > > > > > seeing if anybody else can take a fresh look at the verses of > > > Parasara > > > > > without being influenced by the existing views and come up with a > > > > > consistent interpretation that does not ignore some verses of the > > > > > maharshi in the name of " big picture " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > --------- > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > < > > > <>> > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > > " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you have come with a loaded statement without giving > the > > > > > > technicalities. I have given a very detailed exposition of > > > Parashara > > > > > in my > > > > > > paper on Charakaraka which is available inmy books as well. To > > > say that I > > > > > > have not translated Parashara is wrong. I may not have > > > translated BPHS in > > > > > > totality but I have interpreted and translated Parashara in BPHS > in > > > > > various > > > > > > aspects related to jyotisha including the charakaraka. So, in > > > this regard > > > > > > your statement is incorrect and should be withdrawn. To see > > > individual > > > > > > slokas and interpret them without the others is the biggest > > > curse to an > > > > > > astrologer. You have to get the big picture and for this have to > > > take > > > > > *all > > > > > > the shlokas* together and study them. I have done exactly this. > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think anybody else in this world, other than giving > > > parrot like > > > > > > useless loaded statements, has done any justice to this subject of > > > > > > charakaraka. > > > > > > > > > > > > As regards K N Rao, he can speak up for himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Reagrds > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>> > > > > > [sohamsa] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > > > 10 October 2008 08:21 > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>> > > > > > > Re: 7 & 8 Charakaraka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Lakshmi and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case the adjectives used in the following sentence caused > > > > > discomfort, I > > > > > > can clarify: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The translations available are terrible, illogical and do not do > > > > > justice to > > > > > > Parasara's verses at all. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither Sri KN Rao nor Pt Sanjay Rath published any translations > > > of BPHS. > > > > > > The adjectives in the above sentence relate to BPHS translations > by > > > > > > Santhanam and others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > --------- > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > > tarpana > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > < > > > <>> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com <sohamsa > > > <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > > " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion, neither Sri KN Rao nor Pt Sanjay Rath > > > got it > > > > > right. > > > > > > The verses of Parasara are quite complex. The translations > > > available are > > > > > > terrible, illogical and do not do justice to Parasara's verses > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One CAN give a consistent and logical interpretation of > > > Parasara's > > > > > verses. > > > > > > Neither Sri KN Rao's teachings nor Pt Sanjay Rath's teachings are > > > > > based on a > > > > > > consistent or logical interpretation of Parasara. Both deviate > from > > > > > > Parasara's teachings. I am quite convinced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this time, I cannot say anything more on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy Viajaya Dasami to all of you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>> > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > > > > tarpana <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>> > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > < > > > <>> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>> > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > <http://www.SriJagannath.org <http://www.SriJagannath.org>> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com > > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > > " suniljohn_2002 " <suniljohn_2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, > > > > > > > > Michal when we learn a shastra we need to learn by the > sanskrit > > > > > verses & > > > > > > > > quotations of various classics in respect to the variations in > > > > > opinions > > > > > > > > on a single topic. Unfortunately that is not prevalent in the > > > > > cities or > > > > > > > > in internet paramparas today. Sanjay uses 8, K N Rao uses 7 - > > > > > both find > > > > > > > > success in it whereas i find success in 8 as thats what i > > > learnt in > > > > > > > > internet parampara but thats my personal experience (maybe > > > > > biased) which > > > > > > > > does not demean the experience of K N Rao who has proved since > > > > > decades > > > > > > > > that he is one of the best predictors in the business than > > > anyone > > > > > around > > > > > > > > but does that prove his point of being superior in his > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > > charakaraka scheme than Sanjays, or vice versa, if one says > > > so that > > > > > > > > would be a small mans way of talking. Today we talk of > > > Sanjay Vs > > > > > Rao but > > > > > > > > the point is since time immemorial these debates in the > > > karakas have > > > > > > > > existed and one finds it in Jyotish Phala Ratnamala, > > > Sarasangraha and > > > > > > > > various other commentaries - unfortunately todays paramparas > > > > > cannot even > > > > > > > > quote the verses, the way of learning a shastra is to read > > > the moola > > > > > > > > kitab and also its various commentaries. U can ask any > internet > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > Scholar and they wont even know how many commentaries of > > > Jaimini are > > > > > > > > there considered important. I have asked for this list on > > > various > > > > > forums > > > > > > > > but Internet Paramparas could not answer/guide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See this verse from Parasara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas > > > > > > > > 1-2. I now detail below Atma Karak etc., obtainable from > > > among the 7 > > > > > > > > Grahas, viz. Surya to ´Sani. Some say, that Rahu will become a > > > > > > > > Karak, when there is a state of similarity in terms of > > > longitude > > > > > between > > > > > > > > (two) Grahas. Yet some say, that the 8 Grahas, including Rahu, > > > > > will have > > > > > > > > to be considered irrespective of such a state. > > > > > > > > Parasara has shown here that even during his time there were > > > two > > > > > views, > > > > > > > > he does not demean the other view or writer, not even subtly, > a > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > that u find in good people from good family backgrounds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mentioned using the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme you > > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > > > one can use either. That would be great, then I would have > > > > > rajyogas in > > > > > > > > my chart that I can look forward to! > > > > > > > > The other view point which i stated in earlier mail is these > > > sect > > > > > use 7 > > > > > > > > & 8 charakaraka and only when two planets are in same long > > > then 8 > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > into the picture, this is what a scholar from Jaimini > > > Lineage who can > > > > > > > > trace 14 generations of his parampara use it whereas Sanjay > > > uses > > > > > 8 and > > > > > > > > Rao 7. Also another student of Vemuri who has written 2000 > > > pages on > > > > > > > > Jaimini astro (finished recently but not yet published) > > > uses the > > > > > same 7 > > > > > > > > & 8. I am sure you know the authority of Vemuri Shastry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I was taught that 7 charakaraka scheme is only for > > > those that > > > > > > > > can't have children, like buildings and cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you quote the relevant shlokas from various commentaries > of > > > > > Jaimini > > > > > > > > which says 7 charakaraka is only for those those who can > > > procreate. > > > > > > > > Honestly i would love to learn and probe deeper. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even i used to debate with seniors outside internet that 8 > > > > > charakaraka > > > > > > > > is only for humans it is then they quoted the various > > > > > commentaries which > > > > > > > > show that both schemes have existed since time immemorial & > > > > > during those > > > > > > > > times it was paramparic way of learning that is memorising and > > > > > quoting > > > > > > > > shlokas from various commentaries to know the difference of > > > viewpoint > > > > > > > > and not today when we cant quote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On nostalgia on same topic i had asked K N Rao in 2004 to > > > write an > > > > > > > > article comparing 7 vs 8 charakaraka on 20 charts for us to > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > it better but he never did it so far. Maybe some of us can > > > do that or > > > > > > > > already have done that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for CK replacement in Navamsa, I love to hear new > > > methods so > > > > > if you > > > > > > > > have time could you mention something about how it works. > > > > > Ferrante does > > > > > > > > not have any planets in the same degree so what is the basis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right click on degrees in Jhora and select Navamsa Degrees, u > > > > > will find > > > > > > > > in Ferrantes chart some planets in same degrees then his > > > life story > > > > > > > > falls into picture i guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>>, > > > > > Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mentioned using the 7 or 8 charakaraka scheme you > > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > > > one can use either. That would be great, then I would have > > > > > rajyogas in > > > > > > > > my chart that I can look forward to! However I was taught > > > that 7 > > > > > > > > charakaraka scheme is only for those that can't have > > > children, like > > > > > > > > buildings and cars. Parasara says that some Astrolgers use > > > it. > > > > > Can you > > > > > > > > explain, based on your understanding and experience how one > > > can use > > > > > > > > either? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for CK replacement in Navamsa, I love to hear new > > > methods so > > > > > if you > > > > > > > > have time could you mention something about how it works. > > > > > Ferrante does > > > > > > > > not have any planets in the same degree so what is the basis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > <sohamsa <sohamsa%40>> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:28:37 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - Mafia to > > > > > Mensch/His > > > > > > > > Time as per birth certificat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > > Dear Michal, > > > > > > > > > I had my software tuned to 7 charakaraka scheme as i was > > > using > > > > > chara > > > > > > > > dasha in previous chart, with that Amk is actually Mars and > > > with 8 > > > > > > > > charakaraka it is Rahu. One can use either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another interesting thing to note about this chart is that > > > there is > > > > > > > > charakaraka replacement in his Navamsa, i don't know if Sanjay > > > > > uses this > > > > > > > > or has taught his students but there are some traditions in > > > > > Andhra where > > > > > > > > the tradition of Jaimini is prevalent who use charakaraka > > > > > replacement in > > > > > > > > divisionals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa is also the chart of ones religious bent and > > > charakaraka > > > > > > > > replacement happening in Navamsa is significant in his life > > > > > wherein he > > > > > > > > has undergone a religious transformation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Sunil John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> > .com, > > > > > Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ ..> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, Patheya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is actually the AmK and is the 5th lord conjoined > > > exalted > > > > > > > > Lagnesha in the 6th house forming a powerful dhimanta yoga > > > > > inclined very > > > > > > > > much towards the Asuras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 7th house of partnerships is very interesting - and > > > this also > > > > > > > > happens to be the 9th from the AL which protects him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 suniljohn_2002@ ... > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> .com > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:41:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - Mafia > to > > > > > > > > Mensch/His Time as per birth certificat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Datta Guru > > > > > > > > > > Dear Patheya, > > > > > > > > > > His time of birth is 6 pm as per his birth certificate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the chart looks fine with a 2 min look some yogas seem to > > > > > match his > > > > > > > > career path though being a mafia don cannot be said with > > > certainty by > > > > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An easy way to look is Saturn in 7H will destroy his > > > career and > > > > > > > > transform his religious ideas and most important destroy his > > > > > buddhi to > > > > > > > > take up to mafia related work. Mars retro being Amk in 2H of > > > > > livelihood > > > > > > > > rules what he did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter Ketu in 12H also gave him the transformation he > > > needed, i > > > > > > > > have a friend who has Jupiter Ketu in 8H she transformed from > > > > > > > > Christainity to hinduism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others can add > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> > > > .com, > > > > > Patheya Goyal <patheyagoyal@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His name is Louis Ferrante. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patheya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Lakshmi Kary lakshmikary@ ... > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi Kary lakshmikary@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Interesting research case - > > > Mafia to > > > > > Mensch > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa@> > .com > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, October 5, 2008, 8:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna Dear Patheya, Its possible someone > > > has > > > > > already > > > > > > > > worked on his chart, what is his name? All the best Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patheya Goyal patheyagoyal@ ... wrote: > > > Respected > > > > > > > > Gurujans, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have partial data about a person who has has > > > erstwhile been a > > > > > > > > notorious mafia don belonging to the infamous Gambino family > > > crime > > > > > > > > network. As per the sources I have collected on him, it was by > > > > > > > > > > > mid-90s that law and the FBI caught up with him and > > > he was > > > > > given > > > > > > > > a 10 years' sentence. But the blurbs on his books suggest > > > that he > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > about 8 and 1/2 years [one source puts his release time as > > > December > > > > > > > > 2006] in maximum security federal prison during which time he > > > > > read his > > > > > > > > first book and underwent life transforming moments through > > > certain > > > > > > > > encounters. He took to writing and is now an established > > > author. > > > > > He also > > > > > > > > spends time with wayward youth populations now mentoring > > > them. I > > > > > found > > > > > > > > him very articulate, intelligent, and reflective during an > > > interview > > > > > > > > given to the BBC. I thought there might be interesting and > > > certainly > > > > > > > > instructive things to learn from his chart. However, I only > > > have his > > > > > > > > date and place of birth - 13 May 1969, Queens, New York. I was > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > if Gurujans will indulge and suggest how we might figure his > > > > > chart out? > > > > > > > > Looking forward to learning from everyone. Best > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patheya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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